Official 2013-2014 IM Residency WAMC (What Are My Chances) Thread

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Hi Everyone. This is my situation:
IMG.
USMLE-Scores(All passed in first attempts):
step 1: 245
step 2: 252
CS: Pass
IM residency completed in my home country in 2012.
Currently doing research at a top university.
Publications: 1 submitted in a pretty good magazine (IF: 18).
No visa requirements
Here´s my question: I´m applying to internal medicine for the ERAS 2014 match. However, I have not submitted my application to programs yet, since my LOR have not been uploaded. Should I still apply to programs, even though my application is not complete? What do you guys think? What are my chances?
Thank you and best of luck to all!

 

[not so calm now]

Hi Everyone. This is my situation:
IMG.
USMLE-Scores(All passed in first attempts):
step 1: 245
step 2: 252
CS: Pass
IM residency completed in my home country in 2012.
Currently doing research at a top university.
Publications: 1 submitted in a pretty good magazine (IF: 18).
No visa requirements
Here´s my question: I´m applying to internal medicine for the ERAS 2014 match. However, I have not submitted my application to programs yet, since my LOR have not been uploaded. Should I still apply to programs, even though my application is not complete? What do you guys think? What are my chances?
Thank you and best of luck to all!

DEFINITELY submit! You can add send LORs as they get uploaded. Programs understand not all the LORs are in right now.

 

[wamcp]

if the FM letter is strong that's all that matters....no reason to submit a weak letter for the sake of having another one

also you should apply to BU ....it's a much better program than tufts and UMass and you probably have a decent shot

Thank you for the advice. I think I definitely won't have to worry about the letter - already received 2 interviews today!!!

 

[medstudent47]

Step 1: 221 third attempt
Step 2 CK/ CS: 242 first attempt
School: SUNY
Grades in Clekship: high sat in med/surg, sat in everything else. great clinical comments.
AOA: --
Research/ Publications/ Extracurriculars: Lots of extracurriculars and community involvement. No research during med school.
Overview of where you want to end up: I've applied to 50 university programs, and am looking for 20 good community programs in the midwest and east coast to apply to. Any suggestions?

 

[Booster]

I know I have a lot of reaches in my list, but I want to add in some more programs that will be realistic. If anyone has any suggestions, please comment! I mainly want to stay east coast, but am open to going wherever. Also I plan on doing a fellowship, so that is why I am looking into university based programs, but want to add in other programs (university or community) that will give me a good shot of getting accepted and have good match lists. Thanks!

Step 1: Did not take
COMLEX 1: 546
Step 2 CK/ CS: 234, pending CS
COMLEX 2: 590
School: Osteopathic
Grades in Clerkship: Honors in IM, Psychiatry, Geriatrics, 1 of my 2 surgery, 1 of my 2 pediatrics, 1 of my 2 family med
LORs: Haven't seen them yet, but have one coming from a sub specialist I rotated with last month who I believe will write a strong letter, as he has offered to call programs for me. Another LOR from an IM attending, and a department chair letter. Also planning on asking a general surgeon I rotated with for a LOR that knows me well.
Class Rank: Top 20%
Research/ Publications/ Extracurriculars: none


University of Arizona Program, Tucson, AZ
University of Southern California/LAC+USC Medical Center Program, Los Angeles, CA
George Washington University Program, Washington, DC
Georgetown University Hospital Program, Washington, DC
Georgetown University Hospital/Washington Hospital Center Program, Washington, DC
Cleveland Clinic (Florida) Program, Weston, FL
College of Medicine, Mayo Clinic (Jacksonville) Program, Jacksonville, FL
Florida Atlantic University Charles E. Schmidt College of Medicine Program, Boca Raton, FL
Jackson Memorial Hospital/Jackson Health System Program, Miami, FL
Mount Sinai Medical Center of Florida Program, Miami Beach, FL
University of Florida College of Medicine Jacksonville Program, Jacksonville, FL
University of Florida Program, Gainesville, FL
University of South Florida Morsani Program, Tampa, FL
Emory University Program, Atlanta, GA
Rush University Medical Center Program, Chicago, IL
University of Illinois College of Medicine at Chicago Program, Chicago, IL
Indiana University School of Medicine Program, Indianapolis, IN
Boston University Medical Center Program, Boston, MA
Massachusetts General Hospital Program, Boston, MA
Tufts Medical Center Program, Boston, MA
College of Medicine, Mayo Clinic (Rochester) Program, Rochester, MN
Wake Forest University School of Medicine Program, Winston-Salem, NC
Lenox Hill Hospital Program, New York, NY
SUNY Health Science Center at Brooklyn Program, Brooklyn, NY
Case Western Reserve University (MetroHealth) Program, Cleveland, OH
Cleveland Clinic Foundation Program, Cleveland, OH
Ohio State University Hospital Program, Columbus, OH
Drexel University College of Medicine/Hahnemann University Hospital Program, Philadelphia, PA
Penn State University/Milton S Hershey Medical Center Program, Hershey, PA
Temple University Hospital Program, Philadelphia, PA
University of Pennsylvania Program, Philadelphia, PA
Brown University Program, Providence, RI
Baylor College of Medicine Program, Houston, TX
Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center Paul L Foster School of Medicine Program, El Paso, TX
University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio Program, San Antonio, TX
University of Texas Medical Branch Hospitals Program, Galveston, TX
University of Texas Southwestern Medical School Program, Dallas, TX
University of Texas at Houston Program, Houston, TX
Eastern Virginia Medical School Program, Norfolk, VA
University of Virginia Program, Charlottesville, VA
Virginia Commonwealth University Health System Program, Richmond, VA

 

[235009]

I know I have a lot of reaches in my list, but I want to add in some more programs that will be realistic. If anyone has any suggestions, please comment! I mainly want to stay east coast, but am open to going wherever. Also I plan on doing a fellowship, so that is why I am looking into university based programs, but want to add in other programs (university or community) that will give me a good shot of getting accepted and have good match lists. Thanks!

Step 1: Did not take
COMLEX 1: 546
Step 2 CK/ CS: 234, pending CS
COMLEX 2: 590
School: Osteopathic
Grades in Clerkship: Honors in IM, Psychiatry, Geriatrics, 1 of my 2 surgery, 1 of my 2 pediatrics, 1 of my 2 family med
LORs: Haven't seen them yet, but have one coming from a sub specialist I rotated with last month who I believe will write a strong letter, as he has offered to call programs for me. Another LOR from an IM attending, and a department chair letter. Also planning on asking a general surgeon I rotated with for a LOR that knows me well.
Class Rank: Top 20%
Research/ Publications/ Extracurriculars: none


University of Arizona Program, Tucson, AZ
University of Southern California/LAC+USC Medical Center Program, Los Angeles, CA
George Washington University Program, Washington, DC
Georgetown University Hospital Program, Washington, DC
Georgetown University Hospital/Washington Hospital Center Program, Washington, DC
Cleveland Clinic (Florida) Program, Weston, FL
College of Medicine, Mayo Clinic (Jacksonville) Program, Jacksonville, FL
Florida Atlantic University Charles E. Schmidt College of Medicine Program, Boca Raton, FL
Jackson Memorial Hospital/Jackson Health System Program, Miami, FL
Mount Sinai Medical Center of Florida Program, Miami Beach, FL
University of Florida College of Medicine Jacksonville Program, Jacksonville, FL
University of Florida Program, Gainesville, FL
University of South Florida Morsani Program, Tampa, FL
Emory University Program, Atlanta, GA
Rush University Medical Center Program, Chicago, IL
University of Illinois College of Medicine at Chicago Program, Chicago, IL
Indiana University School of Medicine Program, Indianapolis, IN
Boston University Medical Center Program, Boston, MA
Massachusetts General Hospital Program, Boston, MA
Tufts Medical Center Program, Boston, MA
College of Medicine, Mayo Clinic (Rochester) Program, Rochester, MN
Wake Forest University School of Medicine Program, Winston-Salem, NC
Lenox Hill Hospital Program, New York, NY
SUNY Health Science Center at Brooklyn Program, Brooklyn, NY
Case Western Reserve University (MetroHealth) Program, Cleveland, OH
Cleveland Clinic Foundation Program, Cleveland, OH
Ohio State University Hospital Program, Columbus, OH
Drexel University College of Medicine/Hahnemann University Hospital Program, Philadelphia, PA
Penn State University/Milton S Hershey Medical Center Program, Hershey, PA
Temple University Hospital Program, Philadelphia, PA
University of Pennsylvania Program, Philadelphia, PA
Brown University Program, Providence, RI
Baylor College of Medicine Program, Houston, TX
Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center Paul L Foster School of Medicine Program, El Paso, TX
University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio Program, San Antonio, TX
University of Texas Medical Branch Hospitals Program, Galveston, TX
University of Texas Southwestern Medical School Program, Dallas, TX
University of Texas at Houston Program, Houston, TX
Eastern Virginia Medical School Program, Norfolk, VA
University of Virginia Program, Charlottesville, VA
Virginia Commonwealth University Health System Program, Richmond, VA

first of all you are basically donating your money to the following programs which don't consider DOs (or do not have one on their resident roster):
Boston University Medical Center Program, Boston, MA
Massachusetts General Hospital Program, Boston, MA
Brown University Program, Providence, RI
Baylor College of Medicine Program, Houston, TX
University of Pennsylvania Program, Philadelphia, PA

then you have a few which may not consider DOs or have not taken any recently:
University of Virginia Program, Charlottesville, VA
Case Western Reserve University (MetroHealth) Program, Cleveland, OH
Tufts Medical Center Program, Boston, MA
College of Medicine, Mayo Clinic (Rochester) Program, Rochester, MN

...and those are just the programs i either know something about or took the time to google

beyond that i don't really have much advice except that you should be more savvy and realistic with your application ...there is a thread about DO-friendly programs and you should look at program websites to determine whether a program considers/matches DOs. It seems like you took a bit of a shotgun approach in choosing some of these programs.

 

[kafa11]

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[kafa11]

first of all you are basically donating your money to the following programs which don't consider DOs (or do not have one on their resident roster):
Boston University Medical Center Program, Boston, MA
Massachusetts General Hospital Program, Boston, MA
Brown University Program, Providence, RI
Baylor College of Medicine Program, Houston, TX
University of Pennsylvania Program, Philadelphia, PA

Wrong

 

[Thebestofus]

Hi everyone. i have not really asked or spoken to anyone about my chances, was wondering if I could get honest feeback about my chances of getting an interview.

US-IMG (well-known carribbean School)
Step 1: 230
Step 2: 245
Step 2 CS: Pass
Step 3: will take in a few months

Research: 1 in undergrad (no publications)
No special awards or anything
AOA: not applicable to foreign grads
4 very strong letters of recommendations


I applied broadly, around 60 IM programs, about half are university programs from all tiers, and the other half are community/university affiliated programs. What are my chances?

Just wanted to bump this up since no one replied. Veterans of this site, your insight would be invaluable.

 

[235009]

Wrong

I'm aware of the rumor that UPenn took a DO however if I recall correctly once the match list was posted it turned out to be untrue (not the real UPenn) ....we'll see for certain once they finally post their roster online (site has been under construction)

Just wanted to bump this up since no one replied. Veterans of this site, your insight would be invaluable.

As for the IMGs asking for advice I unfortunately do not know enough to give u advice and I'm assuming the silence of others is for the same reason. Sorry.

 

[Andyg83]

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[Trogghunter]

Step 1: Did not take
COMLEX 1: 546
Step 2 CK/ CS: 234, pending CS
COMLEX 2: 590
School: Osteopathic

uva and wake require a step 1. Some programs in that region have a step 1 filter/cutoff. Not sure what it is exactly, but I think that some of their gas programs have a 550-600 cutoff. You might want to look at the program's website for 'applicant criteria' for IM.

 

[miborovsky]

As for the IMGs asking for advice I unfortunately do not know enough to give u advice and I'm assuming the silence of others is for the same reason. Sorry.

Mind helping me out then? I'm an AMG.

Original post here: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=14463208&postcount=652

Reposting here:

Hey guys, appreciate your input here!

AMG, relatively well-regarded (Top 40-50?) Midwest state school

Step 1: ~245
Step 2 CK: Taking in a few days
Step 2 CS: Not yet

Preclinicals: Mostly HP, occasional H and occasional P
MS3 Clinicals: P in Medicine ( ...it was my first rotation), surgery, psych; HP in everything else
MS4: H & HP in 2 medicine electives so far... no sub-I score yet

Letters: 4/4, including 1 from my school's IM PD. I would say they're solid, but don't really have a reliable frame of comparison.

Publications: 3 poster presentations, one during med sch

Objective: University based program with good fellowship placements

My list

U Arizona
U Colorado
Mayo Rochester
Wash U
Dartmouth
U New Mexico
OHSU
U Penn
UT Southwestern
UT Houston
UT San Antonio
U Utah
U Washington
U Wisconsin

What do you think? Is it too reachy?

 

[235009]

Mind helping me out then? I'm an AMG.

Original post here: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=14463208&postcount=652

Reposting here:

Oh yea saw your post earlier but didn't respond because I don't know anything about most of those programs. Sorry.

 

[IMPD]

Hi everyone. i have not really asked or spoken to anyone about my chances, was wondering if I could get honest feeback about my chances of getting an interview.

US-IMG (well-known carribbean School)
Step 1: 230
Step 2: 245
Step 2 CS: Pass
Step 3: will take in a few months

Research: 1 in undergrad (no publications)
No special awards or anything
AOA: not applicable to foreign grads
4 very strong letters of recommendations


I applied broadly, around 60 IM programs, about half are university programs from all tiers, and the other half are community/university affiliated programs. What are my chances?

Sounds about right. Many university programs will not look twice, almost all community programs will, unless they have a strong tradition of non-US Imgs. You didn't mention your goal, but I assume it is 'match'.

If the number of AMGs matching to medicine unexpectedly rises from 3000 to 5000, all the Imgs are in trouble. That won't happen in one year.

 

[kafa11]

I'm aware of the rumor that UPenn took a DO however if I recall correctly once the match list was posted it turned out to be untrue (not the real UPenn) ....we'll see for certain once they finally post their roster online (site has been under construction)



As for the IMGs asking for advice I unfortunately do not know enough to give u advice and I'm assuming the silence of others is for the same reason. Sorry.

You recall incorrectly.
Tautology. Not impressed.

 

[123890]

You recall incorrectly.
Tautology. Not impressed.

Hospital of the University of Penn? Isn't that a community hospital with UPenn affiliation? Not quite the same as matching to the university institution.

Also, why the hostility? You seem tense.

 

[gutonc]

Hospital of the University of Penn? Isn't that a community hospital with UPenn affiliation? Not quite the same as matching to the university institution.

No. HUP is the real deal. Pennsylvania Hospital (Pennsy) is the community joint.

The whole discussion is kind of ridiculous though.

 

[123890]

The whole discussion is kind of ridiculous though.

Agreed.

 

[Thebestofus]

Sounds about right. Many university programs will not look twice, almost all community programs will, unless they have a strong tradition of non-US Imgs. You didn't mention your goal, but I assume it is 'match'.

If the number of AMGs matching to medicine unexpectedly rises from 3000 to 5000, all the Imgs are in trouble. That won't happen in one year.

Thanks for the input. The most ideal goal would be to match at a university based hospital that also has fellowships. The competition for spots when you're an IMG is such that matching at all is considered a sucess. I'd like to think I'm a little more competitive than the average IMG and thus stand a chance at a lower tier university or a very strong community program. I posted here to see if I needed to wake up to reality or if I'm on point.

 

[98765abc]

Med School: AMG- not top 50
Step 1: 240
Step 2 CK: 259
Step 2 CS: scheduled
Grades: Top 25%, not AOA
Clerkships: Honors in Medicine, Surgery, OBGYN, Family Med. HP in Psych and Peds
Research: None
Extras: Leadership in foreign medical mission, volunteer activities, previous career experience.
Letters: One from important person, rest from regular professors.

As of now, plan to persue Endocrine fellowship.

Hopkins, Penn, Duke ---Known reaches
UNC
Vandy
UVA
Wake
UPMC
Emory
Maryland
Hopkins Bayview
MUSC
Tulane
UAB
Jackson-Miami
U of Florida
U of South Florida
George Washington
Georgetown
Thomas Jefferson
Maryland
UTenn Memphis
Drexel
Medical College of Georgia

 

[The kitchen sink]

first of all you are basically donating your money to the following programs which don't consider DOs (or do not have one on their resident roster):
Boston University Medical Center Program, Boston, MA
Massachusetts General Hospital Program, Boston, MA
Brown University Program, Providence, RI
Baylor College of Medicine Program, Houston, TX
University of Pennsylvania Program, Philadelphia, PA

then you have a few which may not consider DOs or have not taken any recently:
University of Virginia Program, Charlottesville, VA
Case Western Reserve University (MetroHealth) Program, Cleveland, OH
Tufts Medical Center Program, Boston, MA
College of Medicine, Mayo Clinic (Rochester) Program, Rochester, MN

...and those are just the programs i either know something about or took the time to google

beyond that i don't really have much advice except that you should be more savvy and realistic with your application ...there is a thread about DO-friendly programs and you should look at program websites to determine whether a program considers/matches DOs. It seems like you took a bit of a shotgun approach in choosing some of these programs.

could anyone point me towards this DO friendly program thread?
thanks

 

[DrSnips]

Med School: AMG- not top 50
Step 1: 240
Step 2 CK: 259
Step 2 CS: scheduled
Grades: Top 25%, not AOA
Clerkships: Honors in Medicine, Surgery, OBGYN, Family Med. HP in Psych and Peds
Research: None
Extras: Leadership in foreign medical mission, volunteer activities, previous career experience.
Letters: One from important person, rest from regular professors.

As of now, plan to persue Endocrine fellowship.

Hopkins, Penn, Duke ---Known reaches
UNC
Vandy
UVA
Wake
UPMC
Emory
Maryland
Hopkins Bayview
MUSC
Tulane
UAB
Jackson-Miami
U of Florida
U of South Florida
George Washington
Georgetown
Thomas Jefferson
Maryland
UTenn Memphis
Drexel
Medical College of Georgia

Your stats are very similar to what mine were for scores, class rank and clerkship grades, though I had a little research and way less extras. Also none of my LORs were "important" people. You should get invites at most of the places you listed, except the reaches of course.

 

[tabbit]

🙂

 

[My1021]

235 on step 1 and taking step 2 in October.
From a state school in the midsouth (ranks about 60).
My school still uses letter grades and the GPA system (problly gave away my school) and I have a 3.69 (mostly As, a few Bs, I did receive a B for my internal medicine rotation due to personal/family issues).
Not AOA.
Some research experience (NIH summer program, research elective, one publication in a small journal on neuroscience)
I'd like to believe that my letters of recommendation are good since I know the letter writers pretty well

57 Program(s) Applied To:

University of Alabama Medical Center Program, Birmingham, AL
Internal Medicine

University of Arizona Program, Tucson, AZ
Internal Medicine

Loma Linda University Program, Loma Linda, CA
Internal Medicine

Olive View/UCLA Medical Center Program, Los Angeles, CA
Internal Medicine

Stanford University Program, Stanford, CA
Internal Medicine

UCLA Medical Center Program, Los Angeles, CA
Internal Medicine

University of California (Davis) Health System Program, Sacramento, CA
Internal Medicine

University of California (Irvine) Program, Orange, CA
Internal Medicine

University of California (San Diego) Program, San Diego, CA
Internal Medicine

University of California (San Francisco)/Fresno Program, Fresno, CA
Internal Medicine

University of Southern California/LAC+USC Medical Center Program, Los Angeles, CA
Internal Medicine

University of Colorado Program, Aurora, CO
Internal Medicine

University of Connecticut Program, Farmington, CT
Internal Medicine

Yale-New Haven Medical Center Program, New Haven, CT
Internal Medicine

George Washington University Program, Washington, DC
Internal Medicine

Georgetown University Hospital Program, Washington, DC
Internal Medicine

Emory University Program, Atlanta, GA
Internal Medicine

Loyola University Program, Maywood, IL
Internal Medicine

McGaw Medical Center of Northwestern University Program, Chicago, IL
Internal Medicine

Rush University Medical Center Program, Chicago, IL
Internal Medicine

University of Chicago Program, Chicago, IL
Internal Medicine

University of Illinois College of Medicine at Chicago Program, Chicago, IL
Internal Medicine

Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center Program, Boston, MA
Internal Medicine

Boston University Medical Center Program, Boston, MA
Internal Medicine

Tufts Medical Center Program, Boston, MA
Internal Medicine

University of Massachusetts Program, Worcester, MA
Internal Medicine

University of Maryland Program, Baltimore, MD
Internal Medicine

University of Michigan Program, Ann Arbor, MI
Internal Medicine

College of Medicine, Mayo Clinic (Rochester) Program, Rochester, MN
Internal Medicine

University of Minnesota Program, Minneapolis, MN
Internal Medicine

Washington University/B-JH/SLCH Consortium Program, St Louis, MO
Internal Medicine

Duke University Hospital Program, Durham, NC
Internal Medicine

University of North Carolina Hospitals Program, Chapel Hill, NC
Internal Medicine

Wake Forest University School of Medicine Program, Winston-Salem, NC
Internal Medicine

Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center Program, Lebanon, NH
Internal Medicine

Albert Einstein College of Medicine at Beth Israel Medical Center Program, New York, NY
Internal Medicine

Mount Sinai School of Medicine Program, New York, NY
Internal Medicine

New York Presbyterian Hospital (Cornell Campus) Program, New York, NY
Internal Medicine

New York University School of Medicine Program, New York, NY
Internal Medicine

Case Western Reserve University/University Hospitals Case Medical Center Program, Cleveland, OH
Internal Medicine

Ohio State University Hospital Program, Columbus, OH
Internal Medicine

Oregon Health & Science University Program, Portland, OR
Internal Medicine

Drexel University College of Medicine/Hahnemann University Hospital Program, Philadelphia, PA
Internal Medicine

Temple University Hospital Program, Philadelphia, PA
Internal Medicine

Thomas Jefferson University Program, Philadelphia, PA
Internal Medicine

UPMC Medical Education Program, Pittsburgh, PA
Internal Medicine

Brown University Program, Providence, RI
Internal Medicine

University of Tennessee Program, Memphis, TN
Internal Medicine

Baylor College of Medicine Program, Houston, TX
Internal Medicine

Baylor University Medical Center Program, Dallas, TX
Internal Medicine

University of Texas Southwestern Medical School Program, Dallas, TX
Internal Medicine

University of Texas at Houston Program, Houston, TX
Internal Medicine

University of Utah Program, Salt Lake City, UT
Internal Medicine

University of Virginia Program, Charlottesville, VA
Internal Medicine

University of Vermont/Fletcher Allen Health Care Program, Burlington, VT
Internal Medicine

University of Washington Program, Seattle, WA
Internal Medicine

University of Wisconsin Program, Madison, WI
Internal Medicine


So far received interviews from Dartmouth, Loyola and my home school. Im guessing I will probably receive more interviews once Dean's letter is uploaded on Oct 1st?

 

[My1021]

Hey all, much thanks for any insight:

Step 1: 256
Step 2 CK/ CS: will take in oct/nov
School: top 50
Grades in Clerkships: (H) - med, surge, peds, psych, (HP) - family, ob
AOA: Yes
Research/ Publications: couple of minor projects, no pubs,
Extracurriculars: bit of volunteering, bit of teaching, nothing special
Overview of where you want to end up: northeast, ideally nyc, (mostly family reasons)

Tentative List:
NYC: Columbia, Sinai, NYU, Cornell, Monte, NSLIJ
Boston: MGH, BID, BWH, BU, Tufts
NewEng: Yale, Brown, Dartmouth
PA: UPen, Jeff, Pit
VA/MD: JHU, Gtown, UVA

Specifically, WAMC at the NYC programs (I'd love to end up at any of the big 4 in Manhattan)? Any advice you have regarding the rest is more than welcome too.

Thanks again!

Pardon my lack of knowledge...What is the big 4? cornell, columbia, nyu and which other one?

 

[gutonc]

Pardon my lack of knowledge...What is the big 4? cornell, columbia, nyu and which other one?

Mt Sinai.

 

[Honze55]

I'm originally from CA, went to UCSD undergrad, and am looking to get back to CA for residency.

Midwest Osteopathic School
COMLEX1 549
USMLE1 228
USMLE2/COMLEX2 Waiting to hear back
GPA 3.09
Top half of class, but not SSP
Strong LORs
Some research, no pubs yet but hopefully some soon

Looking to apply to ALL California IM programs. Top choices are anything in the Bay (Kaisers, SCVH, Alameda)

What are my chances?

Thanks in advance.

 

[disorder]

I'm originally from CA, went to UCSD undergrad, and am looking to get back to CA for residency.

Midwest Osteopathic School
COMLEX1 549
USMLE1 228
USMLE2/COMLEX2 Waiting to hear back
GPA 3.09
Top half of class, but not SSP
Strong LORs
Some research, no pubs yet but hopefully some soon

Looking to apply to ALL California IM programs. Top choices are anything in the Bay (Kaisers, SCVH, Alameda)

What are my chances?

Thanks in advance.

Should get a crack at some of those places.

 

[Honze55]

Should get a crack at some of those places.

Thank you for your response! Did you mean I should get a crack at some CA program, or specifically my top choices in the bay? Oh, I hope the latter.

Also, how many audition rotations should I do? I've read that for a MD from a top 50 school it is advantageous for them to NOT do auditions, but for a DO applicant, it is. Any truth to this?

Thanks again!

 

[disorder]

Thank you for your response! Did you mean I should get a crack at some CA program, or specifically my top choices in the bay? Oh, I hope the latter.

Also, how many audition rotations should I do? I've read that for a MD from a top 50 school it is advantageous for them to NOT do auditions, but for a DO applicant, it is. Any truth to this?

Thanks again!

The best thing you can do is to check the resident profiles and see if the program has accepted DO's in the past. That should give you an accurate picture.

So, with that respect. UC's are out. USC, CPMC, Cedars, Santa clara, likely out. Kaisers maybe/probably. Everything else, maybe/probably.

 

[timbuktu]

Step 1: 225 (1 above mean)
Step 2 CK/ CS: 240 (2 above mean); no CS yet
School: mid-level public allopathic
Class Rank: 86/120
GPA: 3.5 as an M3; 3.3 overall
Grades in Clerkship: As in peds, surg, fam med, and neuro; Bs in medicine, psych, and ob/gyn
AOA: no
Research/ Publications/ Extracurriculars: nothing of significance
Overview of where you want to end up:

medicine residency at either colorado or oregon would be best (i know washington is a reach)

i also did an away rotation in medicine at colorado. felt like i did well but didn't astound anybody or anything; met some faculty in the track i'm pursuing and spoke with them a lot/rubbed elbows.

 

[pattr]

Thank you for your response! Did you mean I should get a crack at some CA program, or specifically my top choices in the bay? Oh, I hope the latter.

Also, how many audition rotations should I do? I've read that for a MD from a top 50 school it is advantageous for them to NOT do auditions, but for a DO applicant, it is. Any truth to this?

Thanks again!

Why are you asking about auditions NOW? Aren't you a fourth year so shouldn't your schedule be pretty set by now?

The best thing you can do is to check the resident profiles and see if the program has accepted DO's in the past. That should give you an accurate picture.

So, with that respect. UC's are out. USC, CPMC, Cedars, Santa clara, likely out. Kaisers maybe/probably. Everything else, maybe/probably.

Okay California IM programs are not as DO-unfriendly as you're making them out to be. I agree with USC, most of UC's, CPMC... but for the rest, there's definitely a fair shot for a competitive DO applicant.

UCI and UCD have both taken DO's in the recent past (UCI took one last year). Cedars too. SCVMC matched multiple DO's last year.

 

[disorder]

Why are you asking about auditions NOW? Aren't you a fourth year so shouldn't your schedule be pretty set by now?



Okay California IM programs are not as DO-unfriendly as you're making them out to be. I agree with USC, most of UC's, CPMC... but for the rest, there's definitely a fair shot for a competitive DO applicant.

UCI and UCD have both taken DO's in the recent past (UCI took one last year). Cedars too. SCVMC matched multiple DO's last year.

I'm being conservative, but, his stats are mediocre at best for even a regular allopathic grad (avg board scores, no CK yet, avg grades, no pubs, nothing special). Thus, that being said, I am assuming those DO's who do match with the rest of the allopathic graduates must be decently above average. Again, these are my assumptions.

 

[johncalvin]

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[Vinyl]

USMLE 1: 239
Comlex 1: 597
USMLE 2: 252
COMLEX 2: 620

School: DO program
Year of Graduation : 2014
Class Ranking- top third
Grades in Clerkships: Passed all shelf exams required for DO's
Research: Worked in clinical research 2 years prior to med school. No current publications.
EC: Led a student run organization during my second year and started my own tutoring services outside of medicine (High school and college math, physics, chem, bio)
Undergrad Education: Cornell University

Applied to: University of Kentucky, BU, Salem Hospital MA, St Elizabeth's Medical Center Boston, UMass, Grand Rapids Medical, St Joseph Mercy Ann Arbor, Mayo Clinic (Rochester), University of Minnesota, Carolinas, Duke, UNC, Vidant Medical Center/East Carolina University, Wake Forest, Dartmouth, Cleveland Clinic, Ohio State, Cincinnati, OHSU, Providence Health & Services - Oregon,Providence Health & Services - Oregon/St Vincent, Brown, Memorial Hospital of Rhode Island/Brown University Program,Greenville Hospital University of South Carolina, MUSC, Palmetto Health/University of South Carolina, UT San Antonio, UT Austin, VCU,and U of Wisconsin

Have interview invites from: Palmetto, Greenville SC, and St Joes Ann Arbor

 

[Hassler]

235 on step 1 and taking step 2 in October.
From a state school in the midsouth (ranks about 60).
My school still uses letter grades and the GPA system (problly gave away my school) and I have a 3.69 (mostly As, a few Bs, I did receive a B for my internal medicine rotation due to personal/family issues).
Not AOA.
Some research experience (NIH summer program, research elective, one publication in a small journal on neuroscience)
I'd like to believe that my letters of recommendation are good since I know the letter writers pretty well

57 Program(s) Applied To:

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Albert Einstein College of Medicine at Beth Israel Medical Center Program, New York, NY
Internal Medicine

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Baylor University Medical Center Program, Dallas, TX
Internal Medicine

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So far received interviews from Dartmouth, Loyola and my home school. Im guessing I will probably receive more interviews once Dean's letter is uploaded on Oct 1st?

The list is long, and I don't know if you really need to apply to that many programs. Almost your entire list are university academic programs, but the two quoted above stand out. Albert Einstein's main program is Montefiore, not Beth Israel. Baylor at Dallas is nowhere close to Baylor College of Medicine in terms of reputation either. Just FYI

 

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Does not doing a medicine sub-I prior to applications hurt applicants if everything else is solid?

 

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[gutonc]

Hi everyone, I know I'm being especially neurotic but you all are a helpful bunch and I'd love to hear your opinions.

Med School: Top 20
Step 1: 253
Step 2 CK: 271
Grades: Top 25%, not AOA
Clerkships: HP in Medicine, ObGyn, Peds. Honors in Surgery, Family , Psych, Sub-Internship, Medicine Electives
Research: ~10 abstracts and papers
Extras: leadership in a few clubs and volunteer experiences
Letters: 3 chairs + PD

I want to know what my chances are at a Top 10 program (particularly Brigham, Mass Gen, Hopkins, UCSF, Columbia, Duke).

Thanks so much!

You are being especially neurotic. Own it.

 

[timbuktu]

Step 1: 225 (1 above mean)
Step 2 CK/ CS: 240 (2 above mean); no CS yet
School: mid-level public allopathic
Class Rank: 86/120
GPA: 3.5 as an M3; 3.3 overall
Grades in Clerkship: As in peds, surg, fam med, and neuro; Bs in medicine, psych, and ob/gyn
AOA: no
Research/ Publications/ Extracurriculars: nothing of significance
Overview of where you want to end up:

medicine residency at either colorado or oregon would be best (i know washington is a reach)

i also did an away rotation in medicine at colorado. felt like i did well but didn't astound anybody or anything; met some faculty in the track i'm pursuing and spoke with them a lot/rubbed elbows.

anybody? 🙁

 

[amom]

DO student
Step 1: 238
Step 2: 241
Grades in clerkship: P/F system. All Ps.
Research: research during undergrad but no publication, research during med school with a poster presentation and won an award for it during research day at school.

Programs applied to:
Albany Medical Center Program
University of Texas Southwestern Medical School (Austin) Program
Johns Hopkins University/Bayview Medical Center
Good Samaritan Hospital of Maryland Program
University of Maryland
Bridgeport Hospital/Yale University
Cooper Medical School of Rowan University/Cooper University Hospital
Rush University Medical Center
University of Illinois College of Medicine at Chicago Program - Internal Medicine
IL, Chicago
Methodist Health System Dallas Program
Baylor University Medical Center Program
Texas Health Presbyterian Dallas Program
Nassau University Medical Center Program
University of Connecticut Program
University of Texas Medical Branch Hospitals Program
University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio Lower Rio Grande Valley RAHC
Baylor College of Medicine Program
Methodist Hospital (Houston)
University of Texas at Houston
University of Texas Health Science Center at Tyler/Good Shepherd
Loyola University Program
Drexel University College of Medicine/St Peter's University Hospital
Rutgers Robert Wood Johnson
Chicago Medical School at Rosalind Franklin University of Medicine and Science
West Suburban Medical Center
University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio
SUNY at Stony Brook Program
Texas A&M College of Medicine-Scott and White

I wish I had scored higher on step 2 but it is what it is at this point? Any input on whether I need to add more programs? If yes, which ones? Planning to stay in TX.

 

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[Handsome88]

IMG- Canadian at a reputable Western European school

Step 1: 235
Step 2: 237

Pubs: 1 First author, 1 second author, 1 third author (all at high impact US journals)

Electives: 1 month IM-subspecialty in US, 2 months IM in Canada.

Aiming for a top to mid tier programs. Set on doing Cardiology fellowship.

 

[IMhopeful14]

Med school: ~50th state school
AOA: Junior induction, 1st quartile
Clerkship honors: every clerkship except IM 🙁
Step 1: 250
Step 2: 265
Research: 3 1st author papers, multiple posters and oral presentations
E.Cs: standard

List:
Dartmouth
Yale
MGH
Upenn
Temple
Penn State
Pitt
West Va Univ
Ohio state
Cleveland clinic
Case Western Univ Hosp
Case Western Metro Health
Northwestern
Loyola
Mayo
U minn
U wisc
Wash U
Univ KY
Univ Louisville
Vanderbilt
MUSC
UNC
Duke
East Carolina
UT houston
UT MB
UT SW
Baylor
John Hopkins
Univ Michigan
BWH
Brown
Univ Ok

 

[timbuktu]

i know it's a knock on an applicant if they had to repeat a year, but what if it was for legitimate medical reasons? i addressed this heavily in my personal statement (dealing with a chronic disease), but my transcript still reads "withdrawal while failing" (got an A and B in those two courses when i returned the next year, fwiw).

 

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[gutonc]

I was curious about any opinions regarding my chances. I have one interview and am wondering whether there is some sort of red flag I'm not seeing on my app. I am still waiting on my 4th LoR - is that a serious Achilles' heel, given that most programs require only 3 letters?

Your 4th LOR isn't a big deal and you don't have any red flags. But even with your good scores and AOA, a "Top 50 State School on the East Coast" doesn't really set you apart. You only applied to 3 programs I'd consider "safeties" and ignored a bunch of other good programs in the same areas.

Have you looked at the Interview Invite thread to see if people are getting IVs from these places? I haven't so you're going to have to do your own legwork there. If they are, then apply more broadly.

NYC Area: Monte, Rutgers/UMDNJ/RWJ (whatever the F they call it now)
New England: Dartmouth, Brown, Tufts
Upper Midwest: UChicago, Wisconsin, UMinn
Mid-Atlantic: UNC, Duke, UVA, Wake
West: Colorado, Utah, UW (you clearly don't want to go to CA and I don't blame you)

It's just money.

 

[uimedstudent]

step 1: 243
step 2 CK: 237
step 2 CS: haven't taken
Clinicals: All honors
No AOA
University: in the middle somewhere, definitely not near the top
Research: some in undergrad, no publications
ECs: a little volunteer work, path lab tutor, private tutor for children

I have applied pretty broadly, all academic universities in midwest and some definite reaches on east and west coast because, why not?

My real question is, how would my lower step 2 score affect my chances in the more competitive programs? Is it a deal breaker? I essentially went from almost 1 SD above the mean in step 1 to right at the mean for step 2. It is a little disheartening, but what's done is done. What should I expect?

Thank you.