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Just want to see if i should/cut back anything from this list- thanks!

School: Top 20, Northeast
Step 1: 245
Step 2 CK: 247, CS pending
Clinical Grades: H in IM and Family, HP in all the rest except Psych (P)
Class Rank: 1st or 2nd quartile- pending
AOA: No
Research: decent amount in undergrad (no pubs), research in med school: 1 poster presentation at nat'l conference and first author pub pending
Extracurriculars: executive board of student free clinic with extensive experience, Anatomy/Physiology TA, admissions committee, Anesthesiology 3rd year rep (wanted to do this at that point)
Letters: 1 Department IM, 2 General IM, 1 Anesthesiology

Northeast: Brigham, MGH, BID, BU, Tufts, Yale, Penn, Jefferson, Georgetown, Pitt, Brown, Columbia, Cornell, NYU, Sinai, AECOM, LIJ, Robert Wood Johnson
Midwest: Northwestern, Chicago, Michigan, Mayo, Wash U
West: Stanford, UCLA, UCSF
South: Duke, Vanderbilt, Emory, UNC

Let me know what y'all think
 
IMPD said:
Here is the thing about all "tracks". And I know this is going to be hard to believe, but they are all MARKETING TRICKS. Seriously. They are used by programs to try and get more competitive applicants. IM is a buyer's market and the sellers (programs) are all looking for ways to distinguish themselves. Now, obviously I'm talking about mid-tier here. The top 30/40/whatev have already figured out their marketing trick. Being well-known.

So. Tracks. Women's health, global health, hamster health, primary care and whatnot. Their competetiveness depends primarily on the regular Categorical program that they are linked to. And, in general, they are slightly less competitive than the regular program. For the reason that you cite. Although there is NO EVIDENCE that tracks would close doors, people get anxious and figure that being in the Primary track will "close the door" and you'll wake up in your PGY3 year sweating because you finally figured that EP was your dream job and now you can't do it. Foiled!

In reality, the overriding of closing doors usually disappears for 95% of residents somewhere in PGY2, when the reality of fellowship training (and pay) gets weighed against Real Life (including mortgages, kids, marriage, Cancun).

So.....if you are one of the 1% of applicants who actually wants the little bit of extra training you get in a track (I'm talking about a 5% difference in training), go for it. If you wake up in a cold sweat as a PGY2, chances are good you can still make a non-competitive fellowship. You never are going to make a highly competitive fellowship without directed research, which is unlikely on a Primary track. You could still easily do Endo/ID/etc.

If you're just interested in the "idea" of a track more than actually knowing that you want to do that....just do the Categorical. If you're using a track to get into a program that you think you're not competitive for...well....sure, go for it. Using tracks as backdoors is pretty common, but it's very hard to quantify how much less competitive they are. Somewhere between somewhat and a middling amount.
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Thank you for the response IMPD!

My concern is do programs look down at those who aren't coming into IM aiming for fellowships later on?

Most IM programs I know (IMG friendly ones) take pride in on how many alum go off to fellowships...but what about those of us who want to stay in primary care?

I ultimately want to do primary care in a private practice setting.
 
I graduated from a Caribbean school this past April. I applied for the match last year in a speciality aside from IM, but I did not match. I've decided to apply for IM this year. I wanted to know what you think my chances are.
Step 1: 218 first attempt
Step 2: 220 first attempt
CS: pass first attempt
Graduated with honors
US citizen
IM core grade: B - I don't have a letter from this rotation bc my attending moved to Russia a week after I requested the letter from her and I haven't been able to get in touch with her since. But I do have a family medicine and neuro letter from rotations and an IM and GI letter from externships I've been doing since graduating. All letters are very strong.
I'd like to get into a university program, if possible. If not, what about a community program?
 
Sorry this posted twice...please look at this one. I graduated from a Caribbean school this past April. I applied for the match last year in a specialty aside from IM, but did not match. I've decided to apply for IM this year. I wanted to know what you think my chances are.

Step 1: 218 first attempt
Step 2: 220 first attempt
CS: pass first attempt
Graduated with honors
US citizen
IM core grade: B - I don't have a letter from this rotation because my attending suddenly had to move to Russia before I could pick up my LOR from her, and I haven't been able to get in touch with her or anyone who knows about the letter since. I do have a family med and neuro letter from my rotations and a GI and IM letter from my externships I've been doing since graduating. All letters are very strong.
Do you think it's possible for me to get into a mediocre university program? What about a community program?
 
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Osteopathic School
Comlex 1: 563
Comlex 2: 663
USMLE Step 2 CK: 248 (did not sit for USMLE Step 1)
PE (equiv of CS): passed
Cumulative Rank: top half of class
Grades - Passed everything, No failures. P all Clinicals, and Honors in OBGYN
Research: none
Other: Some solid volunteer/community service ECs.
1 letter from DME of Osteopathic FP program
1 Letter from Pulm/CCM Attending during Pulm elective
1 Letter from Cardiology outpatient elective
Believe the letters are solid - strong in strength.

Looking at mostly North Eastern schools, university or community doesn't matter to me as long as solid fellowship placement (looking to do Allergy and immunology, or rheumatology, possibly GI)

Summary/Context: I am a DO student who has only taken USMLE Step 2 CK applying for the allopathic IM match.

Applying to:
Lennox Hill - NSLIJ
St. Lukes Roosevelt
SUNY Stony Brook
SUNY Downstate
Beth-Israel
New York Hosp of Queens
Methodist
Winthrop (Reach)
NS-LIJ Manhasset (Reach)
NS-LIJ Forrest Hills
NS-LIJ Plainview
UMDNJ-Newark
Maimonides
Drexel
Lankenau (Dual accredited)
Jersey City Medical Center (Dual Accredited)
Case Western
Einstein-Jacobi (Reach)
Geiseinger
Staten-Island University Hospital
St. Michaels - Newark Hospital
UPMC Shadyside
Georgetown (Reach)

Personally I believe my list is way too short for a DO applicant trying to land a spot at an ACGME IM spot so any help/advice/criticisms on the list and application would be a tremendous help. Honestly dont even know what my reaches and/or backups are so if you guys have suggestions, thanks! Feel free to PM if you have any additional qs.

Thanks guys and Good luck!
 
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jumpmanv15 said:
Osteopathic School
Comlex 1: 563
Comlex 2: 663
USMLE Step 2 CK: 248 (did not sit for USMLE Step 1)
PE (equiv of CS): passed
Cumulative Rank: top half of class
Grades - Passed everything, No failures. P all Clinicals, and Honors in OBGYN
Research: none
Other: Some solid volunteer/community service ECs.
1 letter from DME of Osteopathic FP program
1 Letter from Pulm/CCM Attending during Pulm elective
1 Letter from Cardiology outpatient elective
Believe the letters are solid - strong in strength.

Looking at mostly North Eastern schools, university or community doesn't matter to me as long as solid fellowship placement (looking to do Allergy and immunology, or rheumatology, possibly GI)

Summary/Context: I am a DO student who has only taken USMLE Step 2 CK applying for the allopathic IM match.

Applying to:
Lennox Hill - NSLIJ
St. Lukes Roosevelt
SUNY Stony Brook
SUNY Downstate
Beth-Israel
New York Hosp of Queens
Methodist
Winthrop (Reach)
NS-LIJ Manhasset (Reach)
NS-LIJ Forrest Hills
NS-LIJ Plainview
UMDNJ-Newark
Maimonides
Drexel
Lankenau (Dual accredited)
Jersey City Medical Center (Dual Accredited)
Case Western
Einstein-Jacobi (Reach)
Geiseinger
Staten-Island University Hospital
St. Michaels - Newark Hospital
UPMC Shadyside
Georgetown (Reach)

Personally I believe my list is way too short for a DO applicant trying to land a spot at an ACGME IM spot so any help/advice/criticisms on the list and application would be a tremendous help. Honestly dont even know what my reaches and/or backups are so if you guys have suggestions, thanks! Feel free to PM if you have any additional qs.

Thanks guys and Good luck!
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I am curious here too....a lot of those programs state that they take COMLEX only? Georgetown takes COMLEX but wants CK. I've heard that having comlex above 90% is money in the bank for ACGME IM.

experienced input would be nice. a PGY-1 who went allo anesthesia told me that having strong COMLEX from a well known DO school is sufficient, from experience. I dont know though, as I am an MS4.
 
jumpmanv15 said:
Osteopathic School
Comlex 1: 563
Comlex 2: 663
USMLE Step 2 CK: 248 (did not sit for USMLE Step 1)
PE (equiv of CS): passed
Cumulative Rank: top half of class
Grades - Passed everything, No failures. P all Clinicals, and Honors in OBGYN
Research: none
Other: Some solid volunteer/community service ECs.
1 letter from DME of Osteopathic FP program
1 Letter from Pulm/CCM Attending during Pulm elective
1 Letter from Cardiology outpatient elective
Believe the letters are solid - strong in strength.

Looking at mostly North Eastern schools, university or community doesn't matter to me as long as solid fellowship placement (looking to do Allergy and immunology, or rheumatology, possibly GI)

Summary/Context: I am a DO student who has only taken USMLE Step 2 CK applying for the allopathic IM match.

Applying to:
Lennox Hill - NSLIJ
St. Lukes Roosevelt
SUNY Stony Brook
SUNY Downstate
Beth-Israel
New York Hosp of Queens
Methodist
Winthrop (Reach)
NS-LIJ Manhasset (Reach)
NS-LIJ Forrest Hills
NS-LIJ Plainview
UMDNJ-Newark
Maimonides
Drexel
Lankenau (Dual accredited)
Jersey City Medical Center (Dual Accredited)
Case Western
Einstein-Jacobi (Reach)
Geiseinger
Staten-Island University Hospital
St. Michaels - Newark Hospital
UPMC Shadyside
Georgetown (Reach)

Personally I believe my list is way too short for a DO applicant trying to land a spot at an ACGME IM spot so any help/advice/criticisms on the list and application would be a tremendous help. Honestly dont even know what my reaches and/or backups are so if you guys have suggestions, thanks! Feel free to PM if you have any additional qs.

Thanks guys and Good luck!
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A truly strange list. Lankenau but no Pennsy? Drexel but not Temple (a far better program)? One random program in Ohio that's a major reach with no step 1? And then Gtown but not GW?

You've got ok to good scores. Fortunately you did fine on Step 2 CK. If I were you, I'd figure out where you want to live (middle of nowhere PA vs. NYC?) and then apply to all of the programs there. Your list right now doesn't make a lot of sense. It's also half as long as it should be. With your situation I'd be applying to probably 40 places to be safe.
 
laconfidential said:
A truly strange list. Lankenau but no Pennsy? Drexel but not Temple (a far better program)? One random program in Ohio that's a major reach with no step 1? And then Gtown but not GW?

You've got ok to good scores. Fortunately you did fine on Step 2 CK. If I were you, I'd figure out where you want to live (middle of nowhere PA vs. NYC?) and then apply to all of the programs there. Your list right now doesn't make a lot of sense. It's also half as long as it should be. With your situation I'd be applying to probably 40 places to be safe.
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How limiting is it for DO applicants to not have taken the Step 1 exam? Will this limit his/her chances despite solid/strong scores otherwise?
 
laconfidential said:
A truly strange list. Lankenau but no Pennsy? Drexel but not Temple (a far better program)? One random program in Ohio that's a major reach with no step 1? And then Gtown but not GW?

You've got ok to good scores. Fortunately you did fine on Step 2 CK. If I were you, I'd figure out where you want to live (middle of nowhere PA vs. NYC?) and then apply to all of the programs there. Your list right now doesn't make a lot of sense. It's also half as long as it should be. With your situation I'd be applying to probably 40 places to be safe.
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Thanks for the response. I was looking for a blunt and honest answer and I got it. Basically, what that list is saying is I don't really know where to apply and I stated in my post that I should be applying to way more programs as a DO to ensure that I will get in somewhere. Hence, would you mind clarifying what Pennsy is? and I will add GW and Temple as well to my list. Other suggestions to solid programs would be appreciated as well.

As for your question on where I want to live: NYC preferably, but anything within commuting distance from NYC works for me (hence the stuff in PA) because I still want programs with good fellowship opportunity. So as far as NYC, I will apply to every program in the NY, NJ, PA area.

Thanks for the help guys.
 
235 on step 1 and taking step 2 in October.
From a state school in the midsouth (ranks about 60).
My school still uses letter grades and the GPA system (problly gave away my school) and I have a 3.69 (mostly As, a few Bs, I did receive a B for my internal medicine rotation due to personal/family issues).
Not AOA.
Some research experience (NIH summer program, research elective, one publication in a small journal on neuroscience)
I'd like to believe that my letters of recommendation are good since I know the letter writers pretty well

Here's my list:

University of Arizona Program, Tucson, AZ
Internal Medicine


Stanford University Program, Stanford, CA
Internal Medicine


UCLA Medical Center Program, Los Angeles, CA
Internal Medicine


University of California (Davis) Health System Program, Sacramento, CA
Internal Medicine


University of California (Irvine) Program, Orange, CA
Internal Medicine


University of California (San Diego) Program, San Diego, CA
Internal Medicine


University of Southern California/LAC+USC Medical Center Program, Los Angeles, CA
Internal Medicine


University of Colorado Program, Aurora, CO
Internal Medicine


Yale-New Haven Medical Center Program, New Haven, CT
Internal Medicine


George Washington University Program, Washington, DC
Internal Medicine


Georgetown University Hospital Program, Washington, DC
Internal Medicine


Emory University Program, Atlanta, GA
Internal Medicine


McGaw Medical Center of Northwestern University Program, Chicago, IL
Internal Medicine


Rush University Medical Center Program, Chicago, IL
Internal Medicine


University of Chicago Program, Chicago, IL
Internal Medicine


University of Illinois College of Medicine at Chicago Program, Chicago, IL
Internal Medicine


Boston University Medical Center Program, Boston, MA
Internal Medicine


Tufts Medical Center Program, Boston, MA
Internal Medicine


University of Massachusetts Program, Worcester, MA
Internal Medicine


University of Maryland Program, Baltimore, MD
Internal Medicine


University of Michigan Program, Ann Arbor, MI
Internal Medicine


College of Medicine, Mayo Clinic (Rochester) Program, Rochester, MN
Internal Medicine


University of Minnesota Program, Minneapolis, MN
Internal Medicine


Washington University/B-JH/SLCH Consortium Program, St Louis, MO
Internal Medicine


Duke University Hospital Program, Durham, NC
Internal Medicine


University of North Carolina Hospitals Program, Chapel Hill, NC
Internal Medicine


Wake Forest University School of Medicine Program, Winston-Salem, NC
Internal Medicine


Albert Einstein College of Medicine at Beth Israel Medical Center Program, New York, NY
Internal Medicine


Mount Sinai School of Medicine Program, New York, NY
Internal Medicine


New York Presbyterian Hospital (Columbia Campus) Program, New York, NY
Internal Medicine


New York Presbyterian Hospital (Cornell Campus) Program, New York, NY
Internal Medicine


New York University School of Medicine Program, New York, NY
Internal Medicine


Case Western Reserve University/University Hospitals Case Medical Center Program, Cleveland, OH
Internal Medicine


Ohio State University Hospital Program, Columbus, OH
Internal Medicine


Oregon Health & Science University Program, Portland, OR
Internal Medicine


Thomas Jefferson University Program, Philadelphia, PA
Internal Medicine


UPMC Medical Education Program, Pittsburgh, PA
Internal Medicine


University of Pennsylvania Program, Philadelphia, PA
Internal Medicine


Brown University Program, Providence, RI
Internal Medicine


Greenville Hospital System/University of South Carolina Program, Greenville, SC
Internal Medicine


University of Tennessee Program, Memphis, TN
Internal Medicine


Baylor College of Medicine Program, Houston, TX
Internal Medicine


Baylor University Medical Center Program, Dallas, TX
Internal Medicine


University of Texas Southwestern Medical School Program, Dallas, TX
Internal Medicine


University of Texas at Houston Program, Houston, TX
Internal Medicine


University of Virginia Program, Charlottesville, VA
Internal Medicine


University of Washington Program, Seattle, WA
Internal Medicine


University of Wisconsin Program, Madison, WI
Internal Medicine

As you can see I really don't have a geographical preference and really just want to match at an academic institute where I can continue doing some research and have a better chance of landing a fellowship.

I tried to keep the list realistic and stayed off programs like hopkins, UCSF, BIDMC, MGH, BWH..etc. But how realistic is my current list given my stats?

My feelings won't be hurt and I'd like some honest opinions. Any input is appreciated. Thanks!
 
jumpmanv15 said:
Thanks for the response. I was looking for a blunt and honest answer and I got it. Basically, what that list is saying is I don't really know where to apply and I stated in my post that I should be applying to way more programs as a DO to ensure that I will get in somewhere. Hence, would you mind clarifying what Pennsy is? and I will add GW and Temple as well to my list. Other suggestions to solid programs would be appreciated as well.

As for your question on where I want to live: NYC preferably, but anything within commuting distance from NYC works for me (hence the stuff in PA) because I still want programs with good fellowship opportunity. So as far as NYC, I will apply to every program in the NY, NJ, PA area.

Thanks for the help guys.
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Pennsy is Pennsylvania Hospital. It's a dual program affiliated with Penn, and IMHO will give you better fellowship options over Lankenau.

Cleveland is not exactly commuting distance from NYC.

I think you're on track with just applying to pretty much every program in NY etc. You can always turn down invites. Maybe skip the IMG mills but otherwise throw your app in the pile.
 
My1021 said:
As you can see I really don't have a geographical preference and really just want to match at an academic institute where I can continue doing some research and have a better chance of landing a fellowship.

I tried to keep the list realistic and stayed off programs like hopkins, UCSF, BIDMC, MGH, BWH..etc. But how realistic is my current list given my stats?

My feelings won't be hurt and I'd like some honest opinions. Any input is appreciated. Thanks!
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IMHO, your list is way too top heavy. Unless there's something on your app you're not sharing but with a 235, B in IM, and no AOA I would think a good number of the places you listed are long shots. I don't think you're being "realistic" in the sense that you left of Hopkins but have NW, Chicago, Stanford and Penn still on there. Shoot for the stars but plan for the moon, right?
 
Anyone knows a good website or a link that could help me with what type of questions I should be anticipating for the interviews.
Thanks
 
Red470 said:
Just want to see if i should/cut back anything from this list- thanks!

School: Top 20, Northeast
Step 1: 245
Step 2 CK: 247, CS pending
Clinical Grades: H in IM and Family, HP in all the rest except Psych (P)
Class Rank: 1st or 2nd quartile- pending
AOA: No
Research: decent amount in undergrad (no pubs), research in med school: 1 poster presentation at nat'l conference and first author pub pending
Extracurriculars: executive board of student free clinic with extensive experience, Anatomy/Physiology TA, admissions committee, Anesthesiology 3rd year rep (wanted to do this at that point)
Letters: 1 Department IM, 2 General IM, 1 Anesthesiology

Northeast: Brigham, MGH, BID, BU, Tufts, Yale, Penn, Jefferson, Georgetown, Pitt, Brown, Columbia, Cornell, NYU, Sinai, AECOM, LIJ, Robert Wood Johnson
Midwest: Northwestern, Chicago, Michigan, Mayo, Wash U
West: Stanford, UCLA, UCSF
South: Duke, Vanderbilt, Emory, UNC

Let me know what y'all think
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I'm obviously in a similar boat as you, but this list seems reasonable to me. As always, MGH, Brigham and UCSF are long shots for almost everyone. Other than that, I think you'd have a really good shot at any of these schools. Are you interested in fellowship?
 
Would appreciate your thoughts. Looking for a large, academic based program preferably in an urban setting. No preferences location wise. I’m assuming much below may be a reach, would like some suggestions on mid-tier programs to add. Hoping to end up in GI.

School: Top 40 MD program in Midwest
AOA: No
Step 1: 239
Step 2: CK: Will take in October
Class Rank Quintile: 2nd
Clerkships: Honors: Medicine Sub-I, Gastroenterology Elective, Neurology, Psychiatry
High Pass: Family Medicine, Pediatrics, Medicine, ENT Elective, OBGYN, Anesthesiology
Pass: Surgery
Basic Sciences: Honors about 1/3 classes, everything else High Pass
Research: Two Poster presentations, one submitted abstract
Community Service/Extracurriculars: Just basic stuff.

Programs:
East: Mass Gen, B&W, Beth Israel, Boston U, NYU, Sinai, Cornell, Columbia, Georgetown, UPenn, Pittsburgh, Hopkins
South: Miami, South Florida, Emory, Vanderbilt, Baylor, UT Southwestern
Midwest: Ohio State, Indiana, Michigan, Cleveland Clinic, Mayo Clinic, Rush, UIC, U Chicago, Northwestern, Wash U
West: Colorado, U Wash, UCSF, Stanford, UC San Diego, UCLA, Cedars-Sinai
 
Dr Seemi said:
Would appreciate your thoughts. Looking for a large, academic based program preferably in an urban setting. No preferences location wise. I’m assuming much below may be a reach, would like some suggestions on mid-tier programs to add. Hoping to end up in GI.

School: Top 40 MD program in Midwest
AOA: No
Step 1: 239
Step 2: CK: Will take in October
Class Rank Quintile: 2nd
Clerkships: Honors: Medicine Sub-I, Gastroenterology Elective, Neurology, Psychiatry
High Pass: Family Medicine, Pediatrics, Medicine, ENT Elective, OBGYN, Anesthesiology
Pass: Surgery
Basic Sciences: Honors about 1/3 classes, everything else High Pass
Research: Two Poster presentations, one submitted abstract
Community Service/Extracurriculars: Just basic stuff.

Programs:
East: Mass Gen, B&W, Beth Israel, Boston U, NYU, Sinai, Cornell, Columbia, Georgetown, UPenn, Pittsburgh, Hopkins
South: Miami, South Florida, Emory, Vanderbilt, Baylor, UT Southwestern
Midwest: Ohio State, Indiana, Michigan, Cleveland Clinic, Mayo Clinic, Rush, UIC, U Chicago, Northwestern, Wash U
West: Colorado, U Wash, UCSF, Stanford, UC San Diego, UCLA, Cedars-Sinai
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If you actually want to end up on the east coast you're going to need to expand that list because at the moment I can see you getting maybe around 3 interviews out of those 12. If you truly have no location preference then I think you make up for that top-heavy list elsewhere.
 
laconfidential said:
IMHO, your list is way too top heavy. Unless there's something on your app you're not sharing but with a 235, B in IM, and no AOA I would think a good number of the places you listed are long shots. I don't think you're being "realistic" in the sense that you left of Hopkins but have NW, Chicago, Stanford and Penn still on there. Shoot for the stars but plan for the moon, right?
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Thanks for the reply. This is exactly the blunt and honest opinion I'm looking for.

Should I get rid of the top ones or leave some not-so-top ones on there as my "reach"?
I'm hoping to land a university program that has research and fellowship opportunities instead of community programs. Any suggestions? No geographical preference.
 
My1021 said:
Thanks for the reply. This is exactly the blunt and honest opinion I'm looking for.

Should I get rid of the top ones or leave some not-so-top ones on there as my "reach"?
I'm hoping to land a university program that has research and fellowship opportunities instead of community programs. Any suggestions? No geographical preference.
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I would not eliminate reaches, just add more schools. The financial cost of applying at this stages is so much less than the psychological cost of questioning whether you could have done better had you applied more broadly once you match in March...
 
upupaway41 said:
Hi everyone! I'm looking to hear from people who matched at a competitive residency with a STRAIGHT PASS in medicine. Of course it doesn't sound possible, but it has been done at my school (or so the rumors are...). Also, I'm considering cards or GI. Thanks!

Just want to see if i should cut back anything from this list.

School: Top 10, northeast
Step 1: 235
Step 2 CK: Pending
Clinical Grades: PASS in IM, OB/GYN, Psych. HP in everything else. Honored all my SubIs.
Class Rank: Pending, expecting middle third.
AOA: No
Research: Decent amount. Few abstracts and one paper. One paper pending.
Extracurriculars: Not much but sort of unique.
Letters: Three letters from highly respected faculty

Literally applying all over and no particular order:
Decent Shot? UAB, UVA, GW, Georgetown, UTSW, Loyola, Duke, UNC, Boston, Colorado, OHSU, UCSD, Vanderbilt, Cleveland Clinic, Mayo, Wisconsin, Baylor, Emory
A stretch? Umich, Northwestern, UChicago, MGH, Brigham, Columbia, Cornell, NYU, UCSF, UCLA, Brown, Yale, Penn, Sinai

Should I broaden it more and, if so, where? Thank you!
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Your categorization of decent shot vs. a stretch is inaccurate. Take those labels out of it. It won't matter for you as you should take stock in your Top 10 school, research, and decent Step 1. Pass in IM? Who cares, you're from a Top 10 school. For all I know, 75% of your class may have gotten "Pass". If your Step 2 CK is >250, forward it to all programs immediately.

You're from the Northeast, so technically your odds at landing interviews at the Columbia / Penn tier will be better than the average bear.

Unless you have geographic roots at particular places, I anticipate your greatest uphill climb will be at Duke, UCSF, MGH, and Brigham. Elite Chicago (NW / UChic) and other California programs could also prove difficult.

Hopkins and BIDMC are very interesting omissions from your list.
 
123890 said:
I'd appreciate some feedback. I know I have several top caliber schools but think that ~20 programs overall is enough to apply to. I'm also not from the west coast, so that may hurt me a bit too.
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1. Your list is really weird. Kaiser SF, UCSF, UCLA and UCSD but no UC Davis, CPMC, Scripps Green or SB Cottage? UVA, Vandy and Duke but no Wake, UNC, UMD or Hopkins-Bayview?

2. Just go big on the application front. It's dirt cheap (relatively speaking). You have essentially nothing to lose (other than a few hundred bucks) by applying to 30-40 programs. Trim things when it comes to interview time.
 
gutonc said:
1. Your list is really weird. Kaiser SF, UCSF, UCLA and UCSD but no UC Davis, CPMC, Scripps Green or SB Cottage? UVA, Vandy and Duke but no Wake, UNC, UMD or Hopkins-Bayview?

2. Just go big on the application front. It's dirt cheap (relatively speaking). You have essentially nothing to lose (other than a few hundred bucks) by applying to 30-40 programs. Trim things when it comes to interview time.
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Thanks for the reply. I meant to write UNC on there, I just forgot. Thanks for the feedback though. Not interested in living in Baltimore, Winston Salem, or Sacramento. Don't know much about SB but have heard its not the best training.
 
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Hey guys, I posted earlier but got no feedback so I'm posting again. Any advice, thoughts, criticisms are much appreciated.

DO Student trying for IM residency.

USMLE Step 1: 209
USMLE Step 2: 204
COMLEX 1: 498
COMLEX CE: awaiting results
COMLEX PE: In october

Alright guys, in need of major advice!!! I know my step scores are horrible!!! Do I have a shot at all for any community allopathic IM programs?? I'm hesitant to apply, will I get any interviews or should I just stick with the Osteopathic match. I just applied to 27 DO programs a few weeks ago, my Comlex is avg and awaiting CE scores so do you guys think i'm good for DO at least??

Should I apply to more DO programs or is that good? I figured if I get about half of these interviews, I'd have a decent shot to match. Let me know what you guys think. I'm not an SDN stud like most ppl. I'm an average student with good clinical and academic grades who is a hardworker. Thanks in advance.

DO Programs:

LECOM/Sacred Heart Health System, Pensacola, FL
NSUCOM/Largo Medical Center Program, Largo, FL
NSUCOM/Larkin Community Hospital Program, South Miami, FL
NSUCOM/N Broward Hospital District Program, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Wellington Regional Med Ctr Program, West Palm Beach, FL
MWU/CCOM Swedish Covenant Hospital Program, Chicago, IL
MWU/CCOM/Advocate Lutheran General Hospital Program, Park Ridge, IL
MWU/CCOM/Riverside Medical Center Program, Kankakee, IL
St James Hosp & Health Centers Program, Olympia Fields, IL
Lake Cumberland Regional Hosp Program, Somerset, KY
Henry Ford Macomb Hospitals MEP, Clinton Township, MI
Freeman Health System Program, Joplin, MO
Northeast Regional Med Ctr Program, Kirksville, MO
EVVCOM/Blue Ridge Healthcare Program, Morganton, NC
OUCOM/Doctors Hospital Program, Columbus, OH
OUCOM/Grandview Hosp & Med Ctr Program, Dayton, OH
St Joseph Health Center Program, Warren, OH
McAlester Regional Health Center Program, McAlester, OK
OSUCOM/Tahlequah Medical Group Program, Tahlequah, OK
Oklahoma State University Medical Center Program, Tulsa, OK
PCOM/Aria Health, Philadelphia, PA
PCOM/Pennsylvania Hospital Program, Philadelphia, PA
Philadelphia College Osteopathic Med Program, Philadelphia, PA
UNTHSCFW/TCOM/Plaza Medical Center Program, Fort Worth, TX
EVVCOM/Danville Regional Med Ctr Program, Danville, VA
EVVCOM/Lewis Gale Hospital-Montgomery Program, Blacksburg, VA
Norton Community Hospital, Inc Program, Norton, VA
 
My1021 said:
235 on step 1 and taking step 2 in October.
From a state school in the midsouth (ranks about 60).
My school still uses letter grades and the GPA system (problly gave away my school) and I have a 3.69 (mostly As, a few Bs, I did receive a B for my internal medicine rotation due to personal/family issues).
Not AOA.
Some research experience (NIH summer program, research elective, one publication in a small journal on neuroscience)
I'd like to believe that my letters of recommendation are good since I know the letter writers pretty well

Here's my list:

University of Arizona Program, Tucson, AZ
Internal Medicine


Stanford University Program, Stanford, CA
Internal Medicine


UCLA Medical Center Program, Los Angeles, CA
Internal Medicine


University of California (Davis) Health System Program, Sacramento, CA
Internal Medicine


University of California (Irvine) Program, Orange, CA
Internal Medicine


University of California (San Diego) Program, San Diego, CA
Internal Medicine


University of Southern California/LAC+USC Medical Center Program, Los Angeles, CA
Internal Medicine


University of Colorado Program, Aurora, CO
Internal Medicine


Yale-New Haven Medical Center Program, New Haven, CT
Internal Medicine


George Washington University Program, Washington, DC
Internal Medicine


Georgetown University Hospital Program, Washington, DC
Internal Medicine


Emory University Program, Atlanta, GA
Internal Medicine


McGaw Medical Center of Northwestern University Program, Chicago, IL
Internal Medicine


Rush University Medical Center Program, Chicago, IL
Internal Medicine


University of Chicago Program, Chicago, IL
Internal Medicine


University of Illinois College of Medicine at Chicago Program, Chicago, IL
Internal Medicine


Boston University Medical Center Program, Boston, MA
Internal Medicine


Tufts Medical Center Program, Boston, MA
Internal Medicine


University of Massachusetts Program, Worcester, MA
Internal Medicine


University of Maryland Program, Baltimore, MD
Internal Medicine


University of Michigan Program, Ann Arbor, MI
Internal Medicine


College of Medicine, Mayo Clinic (Rochester) Program, Rochester, MN
Internal Medicine


University of Minnesota Program, Minneapolis, MN
Internal Medicine


Washington University/B-JH/SLCH Consortium Program, St Louis, MO
Internal Medicine


Duke University Hospital Program, Durham, NC
Internal Medicine


University of North Carolina Hospitals Program, Chapel Hill, NC
Internal Medicine


Wake Forest University School of Medicine Program, Winston-Salem, NC
Internal Medicine


Albert Einstein College of Medicine at Beth Israel Medical Center Program, New York, NY
Internal Medicine


Mount Sinai School of Medicine Program, New York, NY
Internal Medicine


New York Presbyterian Hospital (Columbia Campus) Program, New York, NY
Internal Medicine


New York Presbyterian Hospital (Cornell Campus) Program, New York, NY
Internal Medicine


New York University School of Medicine Program, New York, NY
Internal Medicine


Case Western Reserve University/University Hospitals Case Medical Center Program, Cleveland, OH
Internal Medicine


Ohio State University Hospital Program, Columbus, OH
Internal Medicine


Oregon Health & Science University Program, Portland, OR
Internal Medicine


Thomas Jefferson University Program, Philadelphia, PA
Internal Medicine


UPMC Medical Education Program, Pittsburgh, PA
Internal Medicine


University of Pennsylvania Program, Philadelphia, PA
Internal Medicine


Brown University Program, Providence, RI
Internal Medicine


Greenville Hospital System/University of South Carolina Program, Greenville, SC
Internal Medicine


University of Tennessee Program, Memphis, TN
Internal Medicine


Baylor College of Medicine Program, Houston, TX
Internal Medicine


Baylor University Medical Center Program, Dallas, TX
Internal Medicine


University of Texas Southwestern Medical School Program, Dallas, TX
Internal Medicine


University of Texas at Houston Program, Houston, TX
Internal Medicine


University of Virginia Program, Charlottesville, VA
Internal Medicine


University of Washington Program, Seattle, WA
Internal Medicine


University of Wisconsin Program, Madison, WI
Internal Medicine

As you can see I really don't have a geographical preference and really just want to match at an academic institute where I can continue doing some research and have a better chance of landing a fellowship.

I tried to keep the list realistic and stayed off programs like hopkins, UCSF, BIDMC, MGH, BWH..etc. But how realistic is my current list given my stats?

My feelings won't be hurt and I'd like some honest opinions. Any input is appreciated. Thanks!
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Anyone?
 
meddy15 said:
Hey guys, I posted earlier but got no feedback so I'm posting again. Any advice, thoughts, criticisms are much appreciated.

DO Student trying for IM residency.

USMLE Step 1: 209
USMLE Step 2: 204
COMLEX 1: 498
COMLEX CE: awaiting results
COMLEX PE: In october

Alright guys, in need of major advice!!! I know my step scores are horrible!!! Do I have a shot at all for any community allopathic IM programs?? I'm hesitant to apply, will I get any interviews or should I just stick with the Osteopathic match. I just applied to 27 DO programs a few weeks ago, my Comlex is avg and awaiting CE scores so do you guys think i'm good for DO at least??

Should I apply to more DO programs or is that good? I figured if I get about half of these interviews, I'd have a decent shot to match. Let me know what you guys think. I'm not an SDN stud like most ppl. I'm an average student with good clinical and academic grades who is a hardworker. Thanks in advance.

DO Programs:

LECOM/Sacred Heart Health System, Pensacola, FL
NSUCOM/Largo Medical Center Program, Largo, FL
NSUCOM/Larkin Community Hospital Program, South Miami, FL
NSUCOM/N Broward Hospital District Program, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Wellington Regional Med Ctr Program, West Palm Beach, FL
MWU/CCOM Swedish Covenant Hospital Program, Chicago, IL
MWU/CCOM/Advocate Lutheran General Hospital Program, Park Ridge, IL
MWU/CCOM/Riverside Medical Center Program, Kankakee, IL
St James Hosp & Health Centers Program, Olympia Fields, IL
Lake Cumberland Regional Hosp Program, Somerset, KY
Henry Ford Macomb Hospitals MEP, Clinton Township, MI
Freeman Health System Program, Joplin, MO
Northeast Regional Med Ctr Program, Kirksville, MO
EVVCOM/Blue Ridge Healthcare Program, Morganton, NC
OUCOM/Doctors Hospital Program, Columbus, OH
OUCOM/Grandview Hosp & Med Ctr Program, Dayton, OH
St Joseph Health Center Program, Warren, OH
McAlester Regional Health Center Program, McAlester, OK
OSUCOM/Tahlequah Medical Group Program, Tahlequah, OK
Oklahoma State University Medical Center Program, Tulsa, OK
PCOM/Aria Health, Philadelphia, PA
PCOM/Pennsylvania Hospital Program, Philadelphia, PA
Philadelphia College Osteopathic Med Program, Philadelphia, PA
UNTHSCFW/TCOM/Plaza Medical Center Program, Fort Worth, TX
EVVCOM/Danville Regional Med Ctr Program, Danville, VA
EVVCOM/Lewis Gale Hospital-Montgomery Program, Blacksburg, VA
Norton Community Hospital, Inc Program, Norton, VA
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your COMLEX is a touch above average for osteopathic IM, so unless you have red flags in your app you are not telling us about, you will match DO if you rank any of them. I don't know what advantage community allopathic programs compared to DO community programs, unless you are looking for a region to settle in and want to increase chances, or some other motive. Otherwise, congratulations, and good luck.
 
usmle84 said:
Hello friends

Please kindly comment on number of programs I should apply. My budget is OK but I cannot apply like 200 programs. Here are the stats

IMG, ECFMG Certified, Need Visa , 2009 Pass out
Step 1 Score - 250/First Attempt
Step 2 Score - 255/First Attempt
Step 2 CS - Pass/First Attempt
Step 3 - 247/First Attempt
4 Months Hands on Private Clinic;
3+ months Observer ship in University Hospitals(4 US LORs all IM)
2 years work experience as duty doctor back in india
No research

Also please give me an idea on chances of getting interview as well.

Thank you in advance for the inputs.

Regards
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Posting in this thread as an IMG is futile. I'm not sure as to why though.

Anyways, as an IMG myself, I can say that your scores are great.
However, your YOG is one red flag for you.
It's either 4 or 5 years from graduation (depending on how programs calculate time since graduation, some just vaguely mention last 3 or 5 years, some specifically calculate from the time your completed internship to the time you would join residency i.e. June/July 2014)

You will probably get interviews if you apply widely (at least 150 programs). Don't expect more than 5-10% interviews. Skip the university based programs and competitive community programs, for other community programs you should be good. You could ask your attendings now if they have any suggestions regarding which programs you should apply to OR you can let them know once you have applied. That way if there's anyone who was really impressed with you might go out of his way to help you. But don't count on that.

Make sure to account for all time since graduation. If you have had continuous clinical engagement since graduation, that would look much better.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Good luck.
 
My1021 said:
235 on step 1 and taking step 2 in October.
From a state school in the midsouth (ranks about 60).
My school still uses letter grades and the GPA system (problly gave away my school) and I have a 3.69 (mostly As, a few Bs, I did receive a B for my internal medicine rotation due to personal/family issues).
Not AOA.
Some research experience (NIH summer program, research elective, one publication in a small journal on neuroscience)
I'd like to believe that my letters of recommendation are good since I know the letter writers pretty well

Here's my list:

University of Arizona Program, Tucson, AZ
Internal Medicine


Stanford University Program, Stanford, CA
Internal Medicine


UCLA Medical Center Program, Los Angeles, CA
Internal Medicine


University of California (Davis) Health System Program, Sacramento, CA
Internal Medicine


University of California (Irvine) Program, Orange, CA
Internal Medicine


University of California (San Diego) Program, San Diego, CA
Internal Medicine


University of Southern California/LAC+USC Medical Center Program, Los Angeles, CA
Internal Medicine


University of Colorado Program, Aurora, CO
Internal Medicine


Yale-New Haven Medical Center Program, New Haven, CT
Internal Medicine


George Washington University Program, Washington, DC
Internal Medicine


Georgetown University Hospital Program, Washington, DC
Internal Medicine


Emory University Program, Atlanta, GA
Internal Medicine


McGaw Medical Center of Northwestern University Program, Chicago, IL
Internal Medicine


Rush University Medical Center Program, Chicago, IL
Internal Medicine


University of Chicago Program, Chicago, IL
Internal Medicine


University of Illinois College of Medicine at Chicago Program, Chicago, IL
Internal Medicine


Boston University Medical Center Program, Boston, MA
Internal Medicine


Tufts Medical Center Program, Boston, MA
Internal Medicine


University of Massachusetts Program, Worcester, MA
Internal Medicine


University of Maryland Program, Baltimore, MD
Internal Medicine


University of Michigan Program, Ann Arbor, MI
Internal Medicine


College of Medicine, Mayo Clinic (Rochester) Program, Rochester, MN
Internal Medicine


University of Minnesota Program, Minneapolis, MN
Internal Medicine


Washington University/B-JH/SLCH Consortium Program, St Louis, MO
Internal Medicine


Duke University Hospital Program, Durham, NC
Internal Medicine


University of North Carolina Hospitals Program, Chapel Hill, NC
Internal Medicine


Wake Forest University School of Medicine Program, Winston-Salem, NC
Internal Medicine


Albert Einstein College of Medicine at Beth Israel Medical Center Program, New York, NY
Internal Medicine


Mount Sinai School of Medicine Program, New York, NY
Internal Medicine


New York Presbyterian Hospital (Columbia Campus) Program, New York, NY
Internal Medicine


New York Presbyterian Hospital (Cornell Campus) Program, New York, NY
Internal Medicine


New York University School of Medicine Program, New York, NY
Internal Medicine


Case Western Reserve University/University Hospitals Case Medical Center Program, Cleveland, OH
Internal Medicine


Ohio State University Hospital Program, Columbus, OH
Internal Medicine


Oregon Health & Science University Program, Portland, OR
Internal Medicine


Thomas Jefferson University Program, Philadelphia, PA
Internal Medicine


UPMC Medical Education Program, Pittsburgh, PA
Internal Medicine


University of Pennsylvania Program, Philadelphia, PA
Internal Medicine


Brown University Program, Providence, RI
Internal Medicine


Greenville Hospital System/University of South Carolina Program, Greenville, SC
Internal Medicine


University of Tennessee Program, Memphis, TN
Internal Medicine


Baylor College of Medicine Program, Houston, TX
Internal Medicine


Baylor University Medical Center Program, Dallas, TX
Internal Medicine


University of Texas Southwestern Medical School Program, Dallas, TX
Internal Medicine


University of Texas at Houston Program, Houston, TX
Internal Medicine


University of Virginia Program, Charlottesville, VA
Internal Medicine


University of Washington Program, Seattle, WA
Internal Medicine


University of Wisconsin Program, Madison, WI
Internal Medicine

As you can see I really don't have a geographical preference and really just want to match at an academic institute where I can continue doing some research and have a better chance of landing a fellowship.

I tried to keep the list realistic and stayed off programs like hopkins, UCSF, BIDMC, MGH, BWH..etc. But how realistic is my current list given my stats?

My feelings won't be hurt and I'd like some honest opinions. Any input is appreciated. Thanks!
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Well I'm an MS4, so I'm hardly qualified to give an opinion, but based off the basics of your application you've listed, I feel like a few of the programs you mentioned seem like pretty big reaches. I'm thinking Duke, Stanford, UPenn, Michigan, the top New York programs, and WashU in particular, and probably also UCLA, Chicago, Northwestern, Yale and a couple other programs you listed that I'm probably overlooking. That being said, I guess if you want to apply broadly and reach for the stars, I don't see the harm. You've got a good enough mix I don't think you should have an issue matching. But again, I'd defer to some of the others on here who know more than I do.
 
CDI said:
2 years duty doctor = spent 2 years studying for USMLEs :naughty:
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There are many people who do that. There are probably more who do not have necessary finances to pay for the exams, arrange money for match. They have to work in hospitals to arrange for that money. Try not to pass judgement unless you really know what is going on.
 
CD15 said:
There are many people who do that. There are probably more who do not have necessary finances to pay for the exams, arrange money for match. They have to work in hospitals to arrange for that money. Try not to pass judgement unless you really know what is going on.
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:laugh: I know exactly what is going on. I'm from the same place as that poster and know the game better than you realize.
 
It's getting close.

Is there any chance somebody who's been through the process could briefly let us know what to expect after we submit our applications on Sunday. For example, when do interview invites usually begin?
 
Syncity said:
It's getting close.

Is there any chance somebody who's been through the process could briefly let us know what to expect after we submit our applications on Sunday. For example, when do interview invites usually begin?
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Don't expect to hear anything until october ...i didn't get any interview invites until after the MSPE went out october 1st but your experience may vary depending on which programs you're applying to.
 
skinMD said:
Don't expect to hear anything until october ...i didn't get any interview invites until after the MSPE went out october 1st but your experience may vary depending on which programs you're applying to.
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Thanks man - that's good to know.
 
Thank you guys for posting advice.
 
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Hey all, much thanks for any insight:

Step 1: 256
Step 2 CK/ CS: will take in oct/nov
School: top 50
Grades in Clerkships: (H) - med, surge, peds, psych, (HP) - family, ob
AOA: Yes
Research/ Publications: couple of minor projects, no pubs,
Extracurriculars: bit of volunteering, bit of teaching, nothing special
Overview of where you want to end up: northeast, ideally nyc, (mostly family reasons)

Tentative List:
NYC: Columbia, Sinai, NYU, Cornell, Monte, NSLIJ
Boston: MGH, BID, BWH, BU, Tufts
NewEng: Yale, Brown, Dartmouth
PA: UPen, Jeff, Pit
VA/MD: JHU, Gtown, UVA

Specifically, WAMC at the NYC programs (I'd love to end up at any of the big 4 in Manhattan)? Any advice you have regarding the rest is more than welcome too.

Thanks again!
 
taschen said:
Hey all, much thanks for any insight:

Step 1: 256
Step 2 CK/ CS: will take in oct/nov
School: top 50
Grades in Clerkships: (H) - med, surge, peds, psych, (HP) - family, ob
AOA: Yes
Research/ Publications: couple of minor projects, no pubs,
Extracurriculars: bit of volunteering, bit of teaching, nothing special
Overview of where you want to end up: northeast, ideally nyc, (mostly family reasons)

Tentative List:
NYC: Columbia, Sinai, NYU, Cornell, Monte, NSLIJ
Boston: MGH, BID, BWH, BU, Tufts
NewEng: Yale, Brown, Dartmouth
PA: UPen, Jeff, Pit
VA/MD: JHU, Gtown, UVA

Specifically, WAMC at the NYC programs (I'd love to end up at any of the big 4 in Manhattan)? Any advice you have regarding the rest is more than welcome too.

Thanks again!
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Great list given your stats. Very top heavy but with 250+ on step 1 and AOA you're in pretty good shape. Only negative you have is not a lot of research but AOA will go a long way and I'm not sure that this in the end ends up hurting you. I'd be surprised if you didn't get at least 3/4 in Manhattan. You should definitely be able to match at your top 3 given you're human and interview well. I think you have really solid chances at a top tier program especially in NYC. If you wanted to feel more comfortable you could add a couple more mid-tier programs like UMDNJ and UMD but its up to you.
 
Step 1: ~260
Step 2 CK: ~265
School: top 50
Grades in Clerkships: Honors in med, surg, fam, psych, HP in ob and peds
AOA: No
Research: ACC abstract and poster, paper written, not submitted.
Letters: Should be good, from prominent people, I think
Extracurriculars: VP of a student club, peer tutor

Limited by personal life to staying in NYC or immediately surrounding regions. Would love to end up in 1 of the Manhattan big 4. I'm worried that NYC offers pretty much top tier schools and safety schools without a whole lot of in between, but maybe not...Suggestions?
 
Jamf said:
Step 1: ~260
Step 2 CK: ~265
School: top 50
Grades in Clerkships: Honors in med, surg, fam, psych, HP in ob and peds
AOA: No
Research: ACC abstract and poster, paper written, not submitted.
Letters: Should be good, from prominent people, I think
Extracurriculars: VP of a student club, peer tutor

Limited by personal life to staying in NYC or immediately surrounding regions. Would love to end up in 1 of the Manhattan big 4. I'm worried that NYC offers pretty much top tier schools and safety schools without a whole lot of in between, but maybe not...Suggestions?
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you have a solid shot at the big 4. the in between are outside of manhattan and not necessarily in NYC but within striking distance: monte, RWJ, LIJ
 
skinMD said:
you have a solid shot at the big 4. the in between are outside of manhattan and not necessarily in NYC but within striking distance: monte, RWJ, LIJ
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September 15th is fast approaching and still no SkinMD - GutOnc slugfest. Could we please make this happen at your mutual convenience?

Many thanks.
 
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