*~*~*~*Official AMCAS "Work/Activities" Tips Thread 2012-2013*~*~*~*

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So from 08-12/11, I have 56 hours of shadowing a doctor on one day. 08 to 12 is 20 weeks. 56/20 is 2.8 hours a week. Should I just put the total number of hours in the description or just leave it as 2.5 hours a week?


You have to put whole numbers and if you put "2.5" AMCAS automatically changes it to "25" so be careful.

Just round, I don't think it matters so long as it is a reasonable estimate.
 
I've done volunteering during the summer for this one non-profit museum since about 2006 when I was still in high school. Back then I did a lot more than I did during college but I've still continued doing it for about 20-30 hours per year during the summer. How does one list this on AMCAS in terms of dates/hours collected/etc?

I debated not listing it because it contains some high school stuff but I figured since I've continued it somewhat it would be okay. I also really love this organization and I took "classes" at the museum from when I was about 6-12 years old. It felt nice to give back to the next generation so to speak and to help run the operation.


Oh and one more shameless plug for the museum for anyone in the Vermont/upstate New York area: http://www.lcmm.org/index.htm
 
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If we group together all of our shadowing, who do we put for the contact? Ourself?
 
can we put web links in the description box?

Yes, but adcoms won't be able to click them and go directly to the URL. For long URLs, it's best to use a URL shortener (bit.ly, tinyurl, etc.) if you want anyone to follow the link.
Really? I took it from this exchange that links could be clicked on. Since everything is digital now I can see it being possible to click on a link. Hopefully Catalystik can verify
Catalystik,

Are links allowed on the application? Or are they not a good idea?

They are allowed. Whether it's a good idea or not depends on the content. 🙂
 
1. If there are two publications, just list them under 1 publication category? They are published in the same lab, but different graduate students. Or give them two separate categories?

2. Also with reference to my above post on my club. I also was one of the representatives for the organization at Youth Assembly at the UN in 2008. We did mainly networking there, didn't present or anything, just attended the conference. Do I list that separate in the conference category?
1. If they're the same project, then group them. If they're different projects (even in the same lab) then I would separate them. Of course, only include them if they're in national or regional journals not campus ones

2. I would include that with the same entry where you talk about your club leadership
 
how many slots did you guys dedicate to awards? and what is a good rule for determining which awards get their own slots vs grouping?
 
I was in an Honor's program, which had some separate courses. I listed that in it's own category. I also have a scholarship and was listed in Dean's Honors list. I don't want to take away from the scholarship's meaningfulness by combining it with Dean's honors list and if I did that, I'd have to just list them both under the title "awards/recognition". Or would you recommend listing them both separate?
I would group all of these things in one entry. Be sure to include the competitiveness/selection process for the scholarship

If the scholarship is really really special, then list it separately. Most run-of-the-mill scholarships should be grouped with other honors/awards
 
If we group them all together, do we put the start date of the very first time we shadowed and the end date of the very last doctor we shadowed?

Who do we put as a contact person since we are putting several physicians in one activity? If shadowed in two different states. Should I make separate entries or just leave the city/state blank?

Also, I'm not sure of how to format the description. Is this acceptable, for example?
This is getting to be a common question so I edited the FAQ to include an example. Let us know if you have further questions
 
I wouldn't say that correct formatting is essential. A lot of us shortened and abbreviated the formatting well beyond what any of the style guides would have you do. As long as someone can find the publication, then you should be good. It is helpful to include enough of the authors list to see where your name falls in the order

In your publications entry, you should include basic info about the project and your role in the publication.

But wouldn't you already put that info in your "research" category for activities?

Btw would it be frowned upon if you got 2 publications, 1 LOR from your PI and you don't mention it as most meaningful?
 
Quick silly question: Do you recommend full sentences in the description section? I am using abbreviated language from my cv like ".Conducted research project in a neurobiology lab using histology to explore the role of immediate early gene expression in song learning in zebra finches. Acquired excellent experience in research methodology." Is this appropriate?
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CV language is OK if you're trying to save space but I'd recommend full sentences or bullet points as alternatives
 
I would group all of these things in one entry. Be sure to include the competitiveness/selection process for the scholarship

If the scholarship is really really special, then list it separately. Most run-of-the-mill scholarships should be grouped with other honors/awards

Thanks. It was a scholarship that I never even applied for, that's how competitive it was! 🙂
 
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CV language is OK if you're trying to save space but I'd recommend full sentences or bullet points as alternatives

What he wrote, isn't that already bullet points? Or do you mean actual "-" in front of each line/sentence?
 
Am I allowed to use the "Most meaningful" space to have more room to group activities together? For example, I grouped all of my part-time jobs together but needed the full ~2000 characters to describe them all. I was able to talk a little bit about what I learned from the experience, but I think this is a much more logical way to present my activities.
This is a tough question. The best answer I can come up with is in the FAQ already
 
In college I took three neuroscience lab courses which allowed the class to design a study and follow it through to the end. As a class we designed the study then we were individually in charge of a set number of subjects (rats, crickets, goldfish). I trained, dissected, sliced, mounted, and stained my own subjects. The class then compiled the data and we independently analyzed and wrote up individual full reports of the study.

Can these classes be described under research activities even though they are already listed under my course work?
You are allowed to list stuff that was required as part of your coursework. However, as Blais suggests, this may not be what adcomms are looking for with the research designation. I'd be more convinced if it wasn't done as a class group project TBH. Hopefully Catalystik can provide clarification if she feels differently
 
do people really list deans list? I mean it's on your transcript anyway?

For me I was trying to show an upward trend. I got Dean's List first semester (almost President's but I had an A- in Chem 1) in college then I kind of dropped off a bit because I tried to overload myself. But my junior year I cranked it up a ton, got one President's list semester at 4.0 and a Dean's list at 3.85. I also included it because I have scholarships and such I wanted to include and I felt that it couldn't hurt.
 
I designed my own major by collaborating with professors, pursuing independent studies, researching and compiling lists of classes that are relevant, comparing syllabi with similarly established majors at other universities, etc. I'm assuming that adcoms won't look at my application and say, "Oh, hey, School X doesn't have this program so Sunflower18 must have created that major for herself!", so it'd be nice to be able to mention this. However, is it something that would qualify as an EC? Is it interesting / would anyone care? If so, how would I list it..?

Thanks for answering all of my questions!! 😀
You're right; no one will notice that it isn't an official major unless you tell them. How much time did it take to organize?

If you want to include it, it would go under "Other". I wonder if it would be better to try to work in under a secondary essay though if possible
 
I've done volunteering during the summer for this one non-profit museum since about 2006 when I was still in high school. Back then I did a lot more than I did during college but I've still continued doing it for about 20-30 hours per year during the summer. How does one list this on AMCAS in terms of dates/hours collected/etc?

I debated not listing it because it contains some high school stuff but I figured since I've continued it somewhat it would be okay. I also really love this organization and I took "classes" at the museum from when I was about 6-12 years old. It felt nice to give back to the next generation so to speak and to help run the operation.


Oh and one more shameless plug for the museum for anyone in the Vermont/upstate New York area: http://www.lcmm.org/index.htm
I'd include it. List the header info for the most recent summer volunteer stint and explain the past involvement in the description
 
how many slots did you guys dedicate to awards? and what is a good rule for determining which awards get their own slots vs grouping?
I think that 99% of applicants should be grouping all of their awards, honors, scholarships, etc in one slot.

If you have something insanely competitive then you could consider splitting them but this is not the norm
 
1. But wouldn't you already put that info in your "research" category for activities?

2. Btw would it be frowned upon if you got 2 publications, 1 LOR from your PI and you don't mention it as most meaningful?
1. You're right, you definitely don't want to repeat info. I meant that you would talk about your role in the publication (i.e. performed the statistical analysis, created the experimental design for the paper, created the figures, wrote the discussion section, etc) within the publication entry. I don't imagine that your main research entry would contain such detailed information.

Even if you already talked about the project in your research entry, I would still add at least a sentence explaining the impact and purpose of this specific publication though. The entry should be able to stand on it's own at least a little bit (even though you would still reference back to the main research entry)

2. No. You may find that you've already dedicated so much room to the activity that you don't really need to expand on it. Be sure to read FAQ 8a though
 
Ok let me describe it. I did undergrad research for a lab for 2 years, resulted in writing an honors thesis (for my honors program). the work I did ended up going into a paper for two grad students (separate ones), same journal. I did basically the same work but different proteins and stuff.


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Ok that clarifies it. I'll write a little blurb about it at the bottom, not sure what I can write about though! Do we title each publication with something unique? Or just leave it as publication1 and 2?
 
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do people really list deans list? I mean it's on your transcript anyway?
Dean's list isn't too important to include since it is already evident by your grades that you are a good student. However, adcomms don't see your actual transcript so you'd need to include it in your EC list if you want adcomms to know about it. AMCAS doesn't add stuff like that to your application even if it is listed on the transcript that you send them
 
Ok let me describe it. I did undergrad research for a lab for 2 years, resulted in writing an honors thesis (for my honors program). the work I did ended up going into a paper for two grad students (separate ones), same journal. I did basically the same work but different proteins and stuff.


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Ok that clarifies it. I'll write a little blurb about it at the bottom, not sure what I can write about though! Do we title each publication with something unique? Or just leave it as publication1 and 2?
Hmm well if the end results were different (i.e. you personally did the same work but the papers were about different topics) then I'd separate them. If it's all exactly the same but just different proteins then I'd group. You're getting into subtle distinctions that aren't quite as clear

Publications in national or regional journals are nothing to scoff at. If the projects were different enough to be listed separately, I'd rather see you get the credit for all your hard work by listing them separately as long as you've got the room.

As for the title, that's one approach but I'd suggest making the title somewhat more interesting if possible 🙂
 
Dean's list isn't too important to include since it is already evident by your grades that you are a good student. However, adcomms don't see your actual transcript so you'd need to include it in your EC list if you want adcomms to know about it. AMCAS doesn't add stuff like that to your application even if it is listed on the transcript that you send them

I thought all colleges ended up getting an official transcript from AMCAS?
 
Hmm well if the end results were different (i.e. you personally did the same work but the papers were about different topics) then I'd separate them. If it's all exactly the same but just different proteins then I'd group. You're getting into subtle distinctions that aren't quite as clear

Publications in national or regional journals are nothing to scoff at. If the projects were different enough to be listed separately, I'd rather see you get the credit for all your hard work by listing them separately as long as you've got the room.

As for the title, that's one approach but I'd suggest making the title somewhat more interesting if possible 🙂

Yeah basically, I did the same technical work, but with different proteins, for two different students and the papers were on "different" topics within the lab, you know what I mean? I'll keep your words in mind. Thanks!
 
I thought all colleges ended up getting an official transcript from AMCAS?

Schools get one after you accept and matriculate. before you Start the school
Agree with syoung. AMCAS doesn't forward your official transcript. Your application has the coursework section and the space for your AMCAS-calculated GPAs but medical schools won't see your actual transcript until you send it to them after you've been accepted
 
So I work at a free clinic and that constitutes a big part of my extracurricular experience. It can count as both community service and clinical experience, but on the application will I have to list it as only one of the two?
 
Well, do you talk about it in your personal statement? I assume it'll just be one experience, plus you can talk about it further in your personal statement if that's the case.
 
I think what they mean by "clinical experience" is either a paid profession in the medical field or exactly what you are describing, a volunteering position in a clinic/hospital.

I work at a free clinic too and I'm listing it as Volunteering-Clinical.
 
So I work at a free clinic and that constitutes a big part of my extracurricular experience. It can count as both community service and clinical experience, but on the application will I have to list it as only one of the two?

Well, do you talk about it in your personal statement? I assume it'll just be one experience, plus you can talk about it further in your personal statement if that's the case.

I think what they mean by "clinical experience" is either a paid profession in the medical field or exactly what you are describing, a volunteering position in a clinic/hospital.

I work at a free clinic too and I'm listing it as Volunteering-Clinical.


You can simply list it in your Work/Activities section under the category "Volunteer/Community Service - Medical/Clinical" and describe it accordingly.

Also, merging with Official Work/Activities Thread.
 
For shadowing, I would not fill in the hours per week. Just list the rough date span and the total hours for each doc (eg fall semester 29 hours, or 4/2011 20 hours, or 5/2011-8/2011 20 hours). Then give a grand total at the end of the space.

Thanks, will do!

Shadowing doesn't require hours/week. Just put total hours in the description

Thanks. I sent you a PM a long time ago.
 
I'm planning to nix a part of my PS discussing my leadership, and instead spend the time expanding more on my work as an ER volunteer, so that it would comprise about 1/2 my essay. While I still consider my ER volunteering one of my most meaningful activities, would it be appropriate to now switch the most meaningful designation to my leadership, considering I won't have discussed it much in my PS? I still want to be asked about my ER work in my interviews...
 
Okay, so a follow up:

Unfortunately, the electronic version does not appear until AFTER the print edition--but of course you can cite the paper on your CV as "accepted for publication."

So how would I cite this?
 
For me I was trying to show an upward trend. I got Dean's List first semester (almost President's but I had an A- in Chem 1) in college then I kind of dropped off a bit because I tried to overload myself. But my junior year I cranked it up a ton, got one President's list semester at 4.0 and a Dean's list at 3.85. I also included it because I have scholarships and such I wanted to include and I felt that it couldn't hurt.

Dean's list isn't too important to include since it is already evident by your grades that you are a good student. However, adcomms don't see your actual transcript so you'd need to include it in your EC list if you want adcomms to know about it. AMCAS doesn't add stuff like that to your application even if it is listed on the transcript that you send them

ok thanks, reason I asked was because I also have an upward trend, and didn't know people did this.
 
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You are allowed to list stuff that was required as part of your coursework. However, as Blais suggests, this may not be what adcomms are looking for with the research designation. I'd be more convinced if it wasn't done as a class group project TBH. Hopefully Catalystik can provide clarification if she feels differently
It sounds like weak sauce to me also, but maybe you can convince me differently. Did the study result in new generalizable knowledge? Was it potentially publishable? It sounds more like orientation classes taken prior to starting actual research, to get one accustomed to the structure/format of hypothesis-driven research. If you have nothing better, you have the choice to list it anyway, but don't make it something that it's not. Make the purpose of the class clear.
 
I'm planning to nix a part of my PS discussing my leadership, and instead spend the time expanding more on my work as an ER volunteer, so that it would comprise about 1/2 my essay. While I still consider my ER volunteering one of my most meaningful activities, would it be appropriate to now switch the most meaningful designation to my leadership, considering I won't have discussed it much in my PS? I still want to be asked about my ER work in my interviews...
That sounds like a practical decision, provided you had enough space to say everything important about the ER experience, in one location or another. You could also keep in mind that it's OK to designate something as "Most Meaningful," so it is labeled as such, without necessarily using up much of the additional provided space.
 
Put in the date span, but don't fill in the hours per week. Put the total hours in the narrative and explain thast it was intermittent, or call it Summer Hospital Transporter, or somesuch to make that evident.

Hi I also had a question in regards to this. If I have been doing an activity that I started in high school on a weekly basis, and then continued doing it in college but only during the summers, should I leave the hours blank and just say this in the description as you mentioned? Maybe something like this?

"I started this activity in august of 2004 on a weekly basis of with a 1 hour per week commitment and continued it until august of 2009. After August of 2009 I went to college so I was only able to continue this activity during summers. "

Is it worth mentioning clubs that I was an active member of but held no leadership role in?

One last question, is it ok if almost all of my activity descriptions follow this format:
"My responsibilities included
-
-
-
....
this experience was meaningful to me because..."?

Or do adcoms frown upon that sort of thing?
 
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1) If I have been doing an activity that I started in high school on a weekly basis, and then continued doing it in college but only during the summers, should I leave the hours blank and just say this in the description as you mentioned? Maybe something like this?

"I started this activity in august of 2004 on a weekly basis of with a 1 hour per week commitment and continued it until august of 2009. After August of 2009 I went to college so I was only able to continue this activity during summers. "

2) Also, is it worth mentioning clubs that I was an active member of but held no leadership role in?

3)One last question, is it ok if almost all of my activity descriptions follow this format:
"My responsibilities included
-
-
-
....
this experience was meaningful to me because..."?

Or do adcoms frown upon that sort of thing?
1) Instead, to create more impact, consider saying, "Starting August 2004, I engaged in this activity for 50 hours per year until 8/2009. After this date, . . . ."

2) Clubs can help demonstrate your interests and give you an official contact to list, but you can also list such interests as hobbies, etc, and use yourself as a contact for a group of similar activities. If you are short on space, you need not list clubs, except where you had leadership, or it led to community service, or it was unique.

3) It looks fine. I'm not clear on what would be frowned on. Of course, every activity doesn't he a deeper meaning, so don't force it.
 
1) Instead, to create more impact, consider saying, "Starting August 2004, I engaged in this activity for 50 hours per year until 8/2009. After this date, . . . ."

2) Clubs can help demonstrate your interests and give you an official contact to list, but you can also list such interests as hobbies, etc, and use yourself as a contact for a group of similar activities. If you are short on space, you need not list clubs, except where you had leadership, or it led to community service, or it was unique.

3) It looks fine. I'm not clear on what would be frowned on. Of course, every activity doesn't he a deeper meaning, so don't force it.

1.) Ok that sounds great.

2.) Sounds good, I think I'll use one space for all of my clubs and one space for non club hobbies.

3.) I just wasn't sure if they would be ok with the same format for each, but I guess not.

Thank you so much for your help!
 
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