*~*~*~*Official AMCAS "Work/Activities" Tips Thread 2015-2016*~*~*~*

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1) I worked in an orthodontist's office during the summers. I interacted with the patients. Would I categorize this as "medical/clinical employment" or non-medical/clinical?

2) Also, let's say the orthodontist happened to be my dad. I can either list him or the secretary as my contact. Does it matter whom I chose?
1) It can reasonably be characterized as Medical/Clinical, as some of the clients had medical problems (eg, severe maldentition), even though most were there for routine orthodontia care. This activity should not stand alone as your source of patient interaction, as they are not representative of ill and injured folks in medical practices.

2) Use the secretary/receptionist to confirm dates and hours worked.
 
Based off people's advice I haven't included anything that I did associated with my dad (over 100+ hours of shadowing neurosurgery, scrubbed in and standing at the operating table) because apparently it doesn't count. At least that is what I have been told.
I disagree with "what you were told". Unless it happened in HS. I'm not sure I'd want to see 100 hours of it listed, but some number in balance with your other shadowing experiences would look fine.
 
Hey @Catalystik, I was not able to get a hold of someone who recalled my activity at the old elementary school I volunteered in undergrad (non-trad). I really want to put this activity down since it was my first experience with public speaking. I spoke at my sister's classroom so would it be acceptable to put her or should I just not list it? Thanks.
Use her name.
 
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I’m having a hard time describing my research in a single entry. During my two years in my lab, I have worked on two projects. The first was for around 500 hours one summer, and though I performed my own assays, optimized the protocol, analyzed data, etc., I did not have any input into the experimental design nor played a significant role in delineating final conclusions. In the second, I’ve had extensive input into the design and conclusions, and in designing additional studies it spawned, and have worked on it for ~1500 hours. This project was my baby, and I spent countless nights, weekends, and holidays working on it. Though my first project was valuable, this second project was critical in developing my understanding of the research project and realizing my desire to pursue research as a physician—on its own, it is certainly “most meaningful” for me.

Questions:

1. Can I split my research experiences into two, such as “Antibiotic Research in Microbiology Lab” (my summer project, listing as 500 hours) and “Independent Project in Microbiology Lab” (listing 1500 hours), making the second my “most meaningful”? I haven’t been able to describe all the presentations, hypotheses, impact on me, etc. within a single MM entry.

2. If so, how should I list my ongoing research? I am starting a new project in June, unrelated to my independent project, that I will work on with another undergrad. It is regarding the same topic as my first research project. Could I combine it with my first project under the name “Antibiotic Research in Microbiology Lab”, using the “Repeated” option to delineate completed hours and future hours, making the distinction clear in the narrative?

3. My research requires an understanding of a fairly new (emerged in the early/mid 2000s) and obscure topic in microbiology (in my experience, no one outside of microbiology research has ever heard of the field). Should I include a basic explanation of this topic as it relates to my research ? If so, should I reiterate this explanation if I have two research entries, or just include it in the earlier entry and refer to this in the second?
1) Yes.

2) No, as the Repeated function won't let you insert and save a future start date. I suggest just adding an addendum to the 1st project's entry stating that you'll start a new project in this area on x/xx/xx date for a planned x months with an anticipated yyy hours. Keep the ongoing project separate.

3) Explain it once, but try not to reference back to it (as you don't know by what parameter a school may order the Experiences). An ability to describe complex research matters and interpret it adequately for those not-in-the-know is a valued skill, so do a good job.
 
1) Is it necessary to explain that you will continue on with an activity in the description even if you have the projected hours as repeated? (June 2015 - xxxx 2016)

2) Related question, I intend to compete in a sport through medical school. Do you believe indicating my intentions in the hobby would be unattractive? I want to avoid making an impression that I will be distracted from studying.

3) For a lab/research position, you recommended against using "lab" or "research" in the experience name. Should the experience name include the disease I was working with? Name of the intervention?
1) No.

2) No. If you feel there might be a potential negative in stating specific hours, just be vague and say, I intend to continue with this activity through 8/16. Don't use the Repeated feature, which would require a specific number.

3) Yes, try to avoid word repetition, unless your title includes it or you include the name of a PI's lab (eg, Research Tech, Research Aide, Research Assistant, Research Affiliate, Researcher) or (eg, Srinivasan Lab) . The word "Project" might be substituted, for example. The focus of the research can be inserted.
 
Is it OK to skip the experience description and jump straight into the 1325 character field for a most meaningful entry? I feel I would be very redundant doing both for one of my entries
 
1) Some Research description guidelines (YMMV):

Each project can start with a one-sentence nontechnical description that a lay person can understand. After that feel free to use jargon, if you have space for a more technical discussion. Insert techniques you used. Don't feel compelled to add them all if there are 10.

Feel free to sort them into more than one space.

You will have to decide how to present these experiences to best represent you. Perhaps projects from long ago need less emphasis. Those most recent will likely serve you better if more detail is given.

Any poster, pub, or presentation that took place at a campus venue should be mentioned with the affiliated Research entry. Any that occurred at a regional or national location or journal deserves its own spot. If any of those data sharings came out of the same project, they could be mentioned together in one spot tagged under the highest prestige format. At the minimum, give the pub its own space if it was not a campus publication. A manuscript in preparation doesn't belong on the application, but if you feel compelled to mention it regardless, add that at the end of a research description on the affiliated project.

If you wrote the grant that got funding, mention it.

Use the MM space for impact, insights, how you were inspired, future directions. If some of the research description oozes into this space, you won't be the only one who's used it that way. Just be sure that at the 700 character mark you end a paragraph so it will flow smoothly into the MM space (which is distinguished by a blank line, like a paragraph break).

2) No, its lack won't raise eyebrows.

Thank you so much for the help!!
 
^ I put past for the past activities.

Two questions:

1.) I am putting a leadership position down with a particular organization but have had some work on committees at said organization as well. I was thinking of either A) adding them as extra activities in the meaningful section but I don't know if I'm better off lumping those in an extra activity space or if I should put it in the main activity description or B) putting them as extra hours ("repeated"). However, if I put it as extra hours people might think I was the leader for the whole time rather than for a particular year. Based on this, what approach would work best in your opinion?

2.) I was in a club freshman year but we didn't have an official advisor that year (we had changes). The only person I could think of to verify is an undergraduate student who had helped me out immensely when I joined the other organization (that I mentioned above). In cases like this what sort of contact would work best? I could alternatively put a doctor whom we worked with but I don't know if he'd be able to comment on my specific work in the freshman club since I had left by the time I had gotten to know him.
 
1.) I am putting a leadership position down with a particular organization but have had some work on committees at said organization as well. I was thinking of either A) adding them as extra activities in the meaningful section but I don't know if I'm better off lumping those in an extra activity space or if I should put it in the main activity description or B) putting them as extra hours ("repeated"). However, if I put it as extra hours people might think I was the leader for the whole time rather than for a particular year. Based on this, what approach would work best in your opinion?

2.) I was in a club freshman year but we didn't have an official advisor that year (we had changes). The only person I could think of to verify is an undergraduate student who had helped me out immensely when I joined the other organization (that I mentioned above). In cases like this what sort of contact would work best? I could alternatively put a doctor whom we worked with but I don't know if he'd be able to comment on my specific work in the freshman club since I had left by the time I had gotten to know him.
1) Lump them into another space on their own.

2) Use the student mentor.
 
Do you think I should put a club down if all I did was attend the meetings (Pre-Med Society)? I attended it for two years and was an "active member." I have still have 12 slots filled without it.
 
Do you think I should put a club down if all I did was attend the meetings (Pre-Med Society)? I attended it for two years and was an "active member." I have still have 12 slots filled without it.
It's commonly listed even in the absence of associated community service or leadership that would give it more value. It won't hurt you if it's included without those components.
 
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It's commonly listed even in the absence of associated community service or leadership that would give it more value. It won't hurt you if it's included without those components.
Thanks again 🙂. I just didn't want it to seem like I was trying to fluff up my application.
 
I've never seen it done, so I can't comment on how it will be perceived by committee members.

Can you explain further?
Sure, I feel if I write a description in the 700 character "experience description" field I would be repeating a lot, since I can fit everything I want to say into the 1325 character field that appears when I click "most meaningful"
 
If I held 3 positions in the same organization, I worked my way up the ladder, is it best to list this as a repeat or not? I was a finance assistant, then finance chair, then finance director.

Thank you!
 
Also wondering: I mentioned in my clinical experience that I not only had insight into the daily life of a physician, but also the patient's experience as well as the insurance side of healthcare. Should I include the insurance bit? I'm not sure if ADCOMs would find it superfluous, but I thought it was a pretty big deal while I was working there and had to write a bunch of appeal letters for patients to get the treatment they needed.

Thanks for all of your help!
 
I did a 10 day crash course in stem cell related techniques and applications at Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla. The majority of the course was hands on and I completed around 65-70 hours during this activity. Do you think this is worth including on my work and activities section?

Thanks!
 
Sure, I feel if I write a description in the 700 character "experience description" field I would be repeating a lot, since I can fit everything I want to say into the 1325 character field that appears when I click "most meaningful"
Did you try to see if you can enter MM comments without putting any text in the first box, and still save the entry? If it gives you an error message, you might just split your narrative into two parts and put a portion in each section. There is no obligation to use all the characters allowed.
 
If I held 3 positions in the same organization, I worked my way up the ladder, is it best to list this as a repeat or not? I was a finance assistant, then finance chair, then finance director.
You might try it if you can fit all three titles in the Name you give the activity (I think you get 62+ characters, or so).
 
Also wondering: I mentioned in my clinical experience that I not only had insight into the daily life of a physician, but also the patient's experience as well as the insurance side of healthcare. Should I include the insurance bit? I'm not sure if ADCOMs would find it superfluous, but I thought it was a pretty big deal while I was working there and had to write a bunch of appeal letters for patients to get the treatment they needed.
Understanding insurance is a part of a physician's daily life and unusual among premeds. More than many/most, you understand how you can be an advocate for patients. This is well worth including.
 
I did a 10 day crash course in stem cell related techniques and applications at Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla. The majority of the course was hands on and I completed around 65-70 hours during this activity. Do you think this is worth including on my work and activities section?
Since it was hands-on, go for it. If you've used the knowledge in any way with your research or lab work, even better.
 
Alright, final question from me. I am the Team Leader of a student teaching group (train other student teachers, lead classroom lessons). I have the position titled "Team Leader." Should I put the type of activity as "Leadership-not listed elsewhere" or "Teaching"?

To add to this, I have nothing under the formal "Leadership-not listed elsewhere" category. What exactly does "not listed elsewhere" mean?

Thanks!
 
Alright, final question from me. I am the Team Leader of a student teaching group (train other student teachers, lead classroom lessons). I have the position titled "Team Leader." Should I put the type of activity as "Leadership-not listed elsewhere" or "Teaching"?

To add to this, I have nothing under the formal "Leadership-not listed elsewhere" category. What exactly does "not listed elsewhere" mean?
When one starts as a general member of an organization or in a low-level position, and works up to a leadership gig, it often makes sense to keep the activities together (to have all-inclusive dates with the organization, keep the context, and show personal growth) and mention the leadership in the activity title so it won't be missed.

If one is only listing the dates of leadership in the header, then Leadership is a good tag to pick.

Since you don't have a dedicated Leadership entry yet, that is a good choice for you, but if you were a tutor before attaining the lead role, mention that in the narrative with dates rather than including it in your header date span (or list it in its own space).
 
For an activity to be lumped under "short term experiences," about how many hours or across how many months would be appropriate? For instance, I have two activities that each lasted about 6 months and accumulated about 30-40 hours each. Should I lump them together, even if they are completely unrelated?
 
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Hello,

I have 20ish hours of hospice volunteering, but I had to stop volunteering when my own aunt was placed on hospice.
Would it be alright to add a sentence explaining that why I had to stop and did not accumulate many hours?
 
For an activity to be lumped under "short term experiences," about how many hours or across how many months would be appropriate? For instance, I have two activities that each lasted about 6 months and accumulated about 30-40 hours each. Should I lump them together, even if they are completely unrelated?
Not an ideal pair for lumping. Can you say enough about each to put them in separate spaces?
 
I have 20ish hours of hospice volunteering, but I had to stop volunteering when my own aunt was placed on hospice.
Would it be alright to add a sentence explaining that why I had to stop and did not accumulate many hours?
Perhaps. Do you have a similar clinical experience you could lump it with? If not, and you have enough to say, go ahead and give it a space, with your explanation. Hopefully you aren't listing it due to sparse experience in this category, as you need something to overweigh it.

Did you help with your aunt?
 
Perhaps. Do you have a similar clinical experience you could lump it with? If not, and you have enough to say, go ahead and give it a space, with your explanation. Hopefully you aren't listing it due to sparse experience in this category, as you need something to overweigh it.

Did you help with your aunt?

Well my volunteering is kinda all over the place. Ive done 70 here, 30 hours there, another 30 hours here.. but I did not lump them, rather I just made each experience its own entry. Is that unwise?

I did help with my aunt but not as a volunteer.
 
Well my volunteering is kinda all over the place. Ive done 70 here, 30 hours there, another 30 hours here.. but I did not lump them, rather I just made each experience its own entry. Is that unwise?
Lumping similar activities can help them have more impact, but listing them on their own remains an option, especially if you need the space for description, impact, etc.
 
Lumping similar activities can help them have more impact, but listing them on their own remains an option, especially if you need the space for description, impact, etc.

Sorry Im am just loading you up with questions. For one of my activities, which is one of those 30ish hour examples, I did it over the course of a semester (about 2 hours a week but I stopped during the summer). I selected it as one of my most meaningful. It was at a senior living complex, non-clinical. I really did enjoy it and it was really good experience for me deciding that I def wanted to be immersed in a career with similar personal contact. Does it raise eyebrows why I selected it as my most meaningful but only did 30 ish hours? I was taking it as a quality over quantity thing but now I am just stressing out big time.
 
. For one of my activities, which is one of those 30ish hour examples, I did it over the course of a semester (about 2 hours a week but I stopped during the summer). I selected it as one of my most meaningful. It was at a senior living complex, non-clinical. I really did enjoy it and it was really good experience for me deciding that I def wanted to be immersed in a career with similar personal contact. Does it raise eyebrows why I selected it as my most meaningful but only did 30 ish hours? I was taking it as a quality over quantity thing but now I am just stressing out big time.
Sparseness of experience doesn't mean it couldn't have significance, and 6 months is an OK duration. What will raise eyebrows is if all your activities are short-term with no evidence of commitment somewhere. Did you do anything for at least a year?
 
Not an ideal pair for lumping. Can you say enough about each to put them in separate spaces?

Thanks for the input. I can definitely say enough about each separately, and would in fact prefer it that way, so I won't lump. Just wanted to make sure it didn't come across as fluffing my app by separating these relatively short term activities.
 
If you want to include the hours of a future activity that you are already engaged in (but keeping in mind that you won't be judged by future plans that could fall through) you can consider these options:

1) Use the Repeated feature to separate the Completed vs Future hours. This works if May 2015 is both your End Date for the Completed Hours and your Start Date for the future hours (you won't be permitted to enter and save a future start date that hasn't happened yet). Put the appropriate total in each Total Hours box. If you are graduating May 2016, that is a reasonable end date to enter if you are sure you will stay involved with the activity for another year. Include a conservative, in-good-faith guess on future hours for the second Total Hours box.

2) Or, only list the Completed Hours in the Total Hours box using the appropriate Start and End Dates, then in the narrative box state that you plan to continue this activity from Sept 2015-May 2016 with a probable additional 60 (or whatever) hours. This works best if you will be taking the summer off from the activity.

3) Or, do the same as in #2, but don't state anticipated Future hours, especially if there is any possibility they might not be completed. Just make a statement that you intend to continue with the activity for another year.

Wondering out of curiosity, would it look bad if I just left the dates as Start Date-Expected End Date and the total number of hours I expect to complete without differentiating how many are in the past and how many are in the future? I feel like separating the two would call greater attention to some of the shortcomings in my application that I am hoping to rectify this summer after I submit the application, and AMCAS never specifies a requirement to separate the two.
 
Wondering out of curiosity, would it look bad if I just left the dates as Start Date-Expected End Date and the total number of hours I expect to complete without differentiating how many are in the past and how many are in the future? I feel like separating the two would call greater attention to some of the shortcomings in my application that I am hoping to rectify this summer after I submit the application, and AMCAS never specifies a requirement to separate the two.
You aren't obliged to separate them out, but if you have a recent start date, adcomms will come to their own conclusion.
 
Sparseness of experience doesn't mean it couldn't have significance, and 6 months is an OK duration. What will raise eyebrows is if all your activities are short-term with no evidence of commitment somewhere. Did you do anything for at least a year?

I would do most volunteering during the semesters. The longest I have is about 8-9 months at the food pantry with about 70 hours that is current. I also have 120 hours in a club x 2 years that did a bunch of volunteer events each week or biweekly. Such as feed my starving children, inner city work, etc (which I listed as volunteer instead of extracurricular). Does this show commitment despite the lack of devotion to one particular organization?
 
I'm putting down lab TA as most meaningful. Would this come off as arrogant, braggy, not humble, and I should reword. Some select descriptions:
-helped professor answer questions on online forum, he (name put down) said answers were well thought out, thought the lab instructor answered, and lab instructor thought professor answered.
-Instructor and other TAs would say "go ask moemoekyun" (if this is fine, should I mention that people said I was approachable, explained well, made interesting, etc)
-One new TA said I was role model, motivation, etc to be a TA herself
-Lab was biochem based, tutored biochem, professor gave nickname "biochem guy" which stuck.
Thanks
 
I would do most volunteering during the semesters. The longest I have is about 8-9 months at the food pantry with about 70 hours that is current. I also have 120 hours in a club x 2 years that did a bunch of volunteer events each week or biweekly. Such as feed my starving children, inner city work, etc (which I listed as volunteer instead of extracurricular). Does this show commitment despite the lack of devotion to one particular organization?
You have shown commitment to the club, but consider picking one of the venues that was for a cause you care about and giving it some time on a regular basis for at least the duration of the application cycle. You can mention this on Secondaries, update letters, and interview conversations.

Did you see post #1051 above?
 
I'm putting down lab TA as most meaningful. Would this come off as arrogant, braggy, not humble, and I should reword. Some select descriptions:
-helped professor answer questions on online forum, he (name put down) said answers were well thought out, thought the lab instructor answered, and lab instructor thought professor answered.
-Instructor and other TAs would say "go ask moemoekyun" (if this is fine, should I mention that people said I was approachable, explained well, made interesting, etc)
-One new TA said I was role model, motivation, etc to be a TA herself
-Lab was biochem based, tutored biochem, professor gave nickname "biochem guy" which stuck.
Thanks
I suggest you let an LOR say all these wonderful things, rather than state them yourself.
 
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You have shown commitment to the club, but consider picking one of the venues that was for a cause you care about and giving it some time on a regular basis for at least the duration of the application cycle. You can mention this on Secondaries, update letters, and interview conversations.

Did you see post #1051 above?

I did see it, should I add it to my existing hospice entry with a sentence or so? Like "I gave the same level of care to my aunt when she was on hospice"?
 
@Catalystik Thank you so much for doing this!! I have another question about putting multiple activities together in one slot. I am kind of weak in leadership so I'm putting my 3 leadership activities into one, but one of them was actually significant enough for me to merit the most meaningful essay. Would you say it will be confusing to the adcoms that I talk about only one leadership activity in my most meaningful (1325 char) although I listed three in the activity description (700 char)? If so, any suggestions as to make it less confusing? I do want to put all 3 somehow...

Thanks so much in advance!

EDIT: The three leadership activities put together are not related to one another by any means.
 
I suggest you let an LOR say all these wonderful things, rather than state them yourself.
The professor I asked for a letter already sent his in, and I have no idea what he put down for it. He did ask for suggestions, which I only mentioned the online question forum, and other things that weren't so much what I put down (ta 3 semesters, past/current volunteer activities, other jobs), so I want to bet that he may have said I was real helpful for the lab, did well in all his classes, etc, but not the specifics I put up (never brought up to him, never felt I had to tell him).
Should I just focus on how I enjoyed the experience, grew more confident/comfortable with speaking about material, etc? Thanks
 
So alot of my activities do not start until Fall semester (repeat activities that I have done since the beginning of undergrad). I cannot add these start days since they are in the future and can only add ones starting from June. Would it be okay to go ahead and list June as the 2nd/3rd/nth start date?
No. Instead add to the end of the entry that you plan to repeat the activity, future date span, and total planned extra hours (with a statement that those hours are not included in the total).
 
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