*~*~*~* Official AMCAS "Work/Activities" Tips Thread 2021-2026 *~*~*~*

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Thanks for all your help so far! I have another question: would you recommend listing study abroad experiences in my activities? Prior to today, I viewed study abroad experiences as coursework (as it was led by my university professor) and as such, did not think it would be fitting to create an activities slot for it. However, I am now seeing others say that they have added it as an activity.

While it was a really unique experience, I'm not sure if I should list it, since I've also planned on speaking about it in many of my secondaries. So my questions would be 1) should I list it as an activity, and 2) how would I go about estimating hours?
I don’t recommend for or against. It’s not the coursework that is discussed, but rather the experience of living elsewhere. But only if it was impactful in some way.

If listed, you’d not include class, personal care, interacting with other Americans, or sleep time hours. Rather, just estimate time spent with international friends or having cultural experiences.
 
Thanks!!!

One last question. Since this research program activity is really a mix of 2 separate research programs (from my university), 1 poster affiliated with 1 of these programs, and 1 other poster affiliated with a separate microbiology conference within my school, could I just put my Principal Investigator down as a primary contact instead of using characters to list 3 separate contacts?

I have him down already for my MME research and for the posters/presentation sections, which make sense, but am wondering if I should also include him for this third "mixed" activity. He is a distinguished professor and he will vouch for all three but I am not sure if it is weird to list him for all of them.
It’s fine to list him for all three since he can vouch for everything.
 
Hey all, I'm looking for some advice on my W/A section.

I've cut out some less important EC/hobbies but I am struggling with the last one (I have 16). Which one would you guys recommend I cut?

Here are the least 'impactful' activities I think I have.

1. Computer tinkering/fixing/building hobby (probably this? but then I'd have 0 hobbies on my app).
2. Private tutor (also low impact according to SDN wisdom? could cut this instead?)
3. Senior thesis project (technically a course but went well beyond hours required/week and research was published)
4. I joined a student club for rare disease awareness as a 2nd year student (social media manager) and worked my way up to vice-president over the next two years. Lot's of planning events, fundraising, and other collaborations with the national foundation. (apparently student clubs also are 'low impact').

Would love everyones opinion. Thanks in advance for the help!
 
Hey all, I'm looking for some advice on my W/A section.

I've cut out some less important EC/hobbies but I am struggling with the last one (I have 16). Which one would you guys recommend I cut?

Here are the least 'impactful' activities I think I have.

1. Computer tinkering/fixing/building hobby (probably this? but then I'd have 0 hobbies on my app).
2. Private tutor (also low impact according to SDN wisdom? could cut this instead?)
3. Senior thesis project (technically a course but went well beyond hours required/week and research was published)
4. I joined a student club for rare disease awareness as a 2nd year student (social media manager) and worked my way up to vice-president over the next two years. Lot's of planning events, fundraising, and other collaborations with the national foundation. (apparently student clubs also are 'low impact').

Would love everyones opinion. Thanks in advance for the help!
What and who did you tutor? Do you have a Contact who is an objective validator? Do you have other teaching, tutoring, mentoring or coaching listed?
 
What and who did you tutor? Do you have a Contact who is an objective validator? Do you have other teaching, tutoring, mentoring or coaching listed?
I tutored first year general chemistry and second year organic chemistry. I can have one of my peers validate tutoring as it was common for upper year chemistry students to tutor these courses for first years.

Elsewhere on my app I have experiences that could also be considered mentoring/tutoring: During a summer research internship I was a mentor for high schools students in the lab, taught them some lab techniques and safety while I supervised all work they did (listing this as research and most meaningful so I'll have room to talk about my research and mentoring). I also tutor refugees English (listing as non-clinical volunteering) and spent a summer as a program instructor at a high-school science camp where I developed labs/projects for the students in collaboration with faculty members (listing this as mentoring but also could put it as paid employment).
 
I tutored first year general chemistry and second year organic chemistry. I can have one of my peers validate tutoring as it was common for upper year chemistry students to tutor these courses for first years.

Elsewhere on my app I have experiences that could also be considered mentoring/tutoring: During a summer research internship I was a mentor for high schools students in the lab, taught them some lab techniques and safety while I supervised all work they did (listing this as research and most meaningful so I'll have room to talk about my research and mentoring). I also tutor refugees English (listing as non-clinical volunteering) and spent a summer as a program instructor at a high-school science camp where I developed labs/projects for the students in collaboration with faculty members (listing this as mentoring but also could put it as paid employment).
Could you group the HS camp and the chem tutoring together as Paid Employment?

I’d like you to keep the computer hobby if at all possible, as being interesting reading and also it leavens the serious stuff on the application.
 
Could you group the HS camp and the chem tutoring together as Paid Employment?

I’d like you to keep the computer hobby if at all possible, as being interesting reading and also it leavens the serious stuff on the application.
I could squeeze them together if you think they're both important, I'm just worried how I'd split up the time. One was for a summer full-time. The other was intermittently over 2-3 years (private tutoring). How would you recommend I go about splitting that up/describing the time period?
 
I could squeeze them together if you think they're both important, I'm just worried how I'd split up the time. One was for a summer full-time. The other was intermittently over 2-3 years (private tutoring). How would you recommend I go about splitting that up/describing the time period?
Total Hours for the space would include hours for both. Subtotals and datespans would go in the narrative about each.
 
Nearly $20 K in merit scholarship money is worth mentioning. But do include the criteria and, if possible, how competitive it was.
Does this advice hold true if the merit award is awarded by the school as you entered? For example, my University awarded a 40k merit scholarship over 4 years for high school grades and exam scores. I don't know if this is worth adding a whole section for because it would be the only award + like the typical grade awards from schools every semester.
 
Does this advice hold true if the merit award is awarded by the school as you entered? For example, my University awarded a 40k merit scholarship over 4 years for high school grades and exam scores. I don't know if this is worth adding a whole section for because it would be the only award + like the typical grade awards from schools every semester.
A merit scholarship based on HS achievement isn’t worth entering into an Activities space. There is another place in the AMCAS application to apportion how you paid for college.
 
Hi, I have some more questions about listing contacts.

For an artistic endeavor, can I list myself as the contact? Is it self-led work, essentially a hobby but I was told artistic endeavors reach a wide audience, so that's how I'm listing it.

I did some online, anonymous tutoring, and I'd like to list it for non-clinical volunteering. No contacts, since I helped people anonymously and privately, so can I list myself?
 
Hi, I have some more questions about listing contacts.

1) For an artistic endeavor, can I list myself as the contact? Is it self-led work, essentially a hobby but I was told artistic endeavors reach a wide audience, so that's how I'm listing it.

2) I did some online, anonymous tutoring, and I'd like to list it for non-clinical volunteering. No contacts, since I helped people anonymously and privately, so can I list myself?
1) It’s fine to list yourself as Contact for this.
2) There doesn’t appear to be any other option. I’d hope you have some other better validated non clinical volunteering.
 
1) It’s fine to list yourself as Contact for this.
2) There doesn’t appear to be any other option. I’d hope you have some other better validated non clinical volunteering.
Thanks, I do have a few hundred other hours for non-clinical volunteering. This tutoring is only an extra 50 I did during quarantine and I was hoping to just add it in to show I tried to do something during that time when I couldn't get other in-person opportunities.
 
So I have a clinical research internship and as a part of the internship, we're given a month to shadow doctors. I shadowed a different physician 3 days each week of April. I feel it's unnecessary to list each physician in a separate entry (since I only had about 13 hours with each one). How would I go about grouping them together into one entry? Who would be the contact for this activity?

**side note: The director of the internship is a physician himself, but I didn't shadow him in April. However, he is basically my boss but I'm not sure if he'd be the contact for the shadowing experience even though he leads the internship in which the opportunity is given
 
1) It’s fine to list yourself as Contact for this.
2) There doesn’t appear to be any other option. I’d hope you have some other better validated non clinical volunteering.
could I list myself as the contact for a teaching experience? I starting teaching piano to children on my own time. And would this be better as an artistic endeavor?
 
So I have a clinical research internship and as a part of the internship, we're given a month to shadow doctors. I shadowed a different physician 3 days each week of April. I feel it's unnecessary to list each physician in a separate entry (since I only had about 13 hours with each one). How would I go about grouping them together into one entry? Who would be the contact for this activity?

**side note: The director of the internship is a physician himself, but I didn't shadow him in April. However, he is basically my boss but I'm not sure if he'd be the contact for the shadowing experience even though he leads the internship in which the opportunity is given
Can you check emails and see who sent the shadowing schedule? That would be a possible Contact. Or ask the boss who would be more suitable to list. You need not mention physician names if you have one person to attest to all of them.

Explain the shadowing opportunity as you have here, but add specialties and where you shadowed, like office, ED, OR, or whatever.
 
could I list myself as the contact for a teaching experience? I starting teaching piano to children on my own time. And would this be better as an artistic endeavor?
Call it a Hobby which needs no Contact. Or call it volunteer and use the parent of one of the kids as Contact, as you prefer to use a more objective source than yourself if possible.
 
Can you check emails and see who sent the shadowing schedule? That would be a possible Contact. Or ask the boss who would be more suitable to list. You need not mention physician names if you have one person to attest to all of them.

Explain the shadowing opportunity as you have here, but add specialties and where you shadowed, like office, ED, OR, or whatever.
The scheduler who is part of my boss's team sent the schedule but I'll def ask which is better, thanks! I've also been told using storytelling is an effective way to describe activities. Does that apply to shadowing?
 
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I was part of a student run nonprofit in undergrad, the organization raised $1.3 million during my 3 years of involvement. I started as a committee member, then a subchair, then a chair of 1 of 15 committees and on the executive board. Spent a total of 850 hours with the organization. Should I divide this up into clinical volunteer (250), non clinical volunteer (200), and leadership (400)? Is it weird to divide one activity so much? also if i do divide, should i further divde those hours by designating repeated to signify how those hours divided into each year?

Last year I put it all under leadership and did 100, 250, 450 hours over my 3 years but I was not in a leadership position the whole time...
I currently have additional 64 clinical volunteer hours, 260 nonclinical volunteer, and no other leadership hours. Thanks!
 
I was part of a student run nonprofit in undergrad, the organization raised $1.3 million during my 3 years of involvement. I started as a committee member, then a subchair, then a chair of 1 of 15 committees and on the executive board. Spent a total of 850 hours with the organization. 1) Should I divide this up into clinical volunteer (250), non clinical volunteer (200), and leadership (400)? 2) Is it weird to divide one activity so much? also 3) if i do divide, should i further divde those hours by designating repeated to signify how those hours divided into each year?

Last year I put it all under leadership and did 100, 250, 450 hours over my 3 years but I was not in a leadership position the whole time...
I currently have additional 64 clinical volunteer hours, 260 nonclinical volunteer, and no other leadership hours. Thanks!
1) Yes, divide it into three categories. IMO, a Leadership space should include only the dates and hours of leadership roles. Clinical and nonclinical volunteering need to be differentiated.

2) No, it's not weird to separate out the subcomponents of an experience when each is so important to one's candidacy to med school.

3) Explain how you visualize using the Repeated feature and why. Is there a big difference in your year-by-year involvement?
 
Call it a Hobby which needs no Contact. Or call it volunteer and use the parent of one of the kids as Contact, as you prefer to use a more objective source than yourself if possible.
Prior to teaching piano (I just started in April so I don't have a large amount of hours) I've played piano for the past 16 years. Is it too cliche and redundant to list piano as another hobby entry, separate from teaching? Do admissions care that I've played piano for so long or do they care more about the teaching aspect?
 
Prior to teaching piano (I just started in April so I don't have a large amount of hours) I've played piano for the past 16 years. Is it too cliche and redundant to list piano as another hobby entry, separate from teaching? Do admissions care that I've played piano for so long or do they care more about the teaching aspect?
1-2 months of teaching piano will not add substantially to your application.

I think the dedication and discipline of playing for 16 years is of far more value. Whether you’d call it Hobby or Artistic Endeavor (for which you might use an instructor or group leader as Contact) depends on how broad your audience has been recently.

I’d be in favor of your mentioning the teaching at the end of the same space.
 
1-2 months of teaching piano will not add substantially to your application.

I think the dedication and discipline of playing for 16 years is of far more value. Whether you’d call it Hobby or Artistic Endeavor (for which you might use an instructor or group leader as Contact) depends on how broad your audience has been recently.

I’d be in favor of your mentioning the teaching at the end of the same space.
What about 4 months (2 projected) ? I'll be teaching until the end of July. I aim to continue once I relocate back home. Sorry if this is a trivial question
 
What about 4 months (2 projected) ? I'll be teaching until the end of July. I aim to continue once I relocate back home. Sorry if this is a trivial question
Sorry, but projected hours won’t count for much, other than to signal intent. We know that all too often life intrudes and prevents completion of serious plans. If you do complete the additional two months, you can let schools know via update letters (where allowed), in Secondary essays (where appropriate), and during interview conversations. Then those hours have the possibility of effecting decision making.
 
Should virtual shadowing hours be listed in a separate entry from in person shadowing? Right now I have them in the same entry, but with the virtual experiences designated as such.
 
Should virtual shadowing hours be listed in a separate entry from in person shadowing? Right now I have them in the same entry, but with the virtual experiences designated as such.
Using a separate entry would be undesirable. I prefer what you’ve done, using one space but differentiating the hours which are in-person vs virtual.
 
Should I also include prep time/time I used to create my lessons for each ELL student (hours)? I only ask because it was quite significant in the grand scheme of things.
 
Piggybacking this question for more clarity for me personally - does the MME have to be completely rewritten or are some minor revisions sufficient?
It should superficially look different. Change the first sentence, substitute some vocabulary, make some minor edits or reorganizations.
 
@Catalystik

I have a question about classifying one of my experiences. I have one activity that feels half leadership and half research. Essentially, it is about how I helped establish an inter-college academic exchange that then allowed me to conduct research at that exchange university (I then breifly describe the research). I unfortunately don't have space to make them each seperate experiences. Would it be better to make it research or leadership? I currently have more research than leadership in my app. Thanks so much!
 
@Catalystik

I have a question about classifying one of my experiences. I have one activity that feels half leadership and half research. Essentially, it is about how I helped establish an inter-college academic exchange that then allowed me to conduct research at that exchange university (I then breifly describe the research). I unfortunately don't have space to make them each seperate experiences. Would it be better to make it research or leadership? I currently have more research than leadership in my app. Thanks so much!
I would rather see the experience listed under the "Other" or "Extracurricular" category, since it will contain two experiences of equal strength, with the title of the space reflecting both components. If that isn't satisfactory to you, use the Research tag with the words Academic Exchange Organizer included in the space's name. Regardless, within the description, apportion the hours aggregated in the Total Hours space to each subcomponent. as you describe it.
 
A few additional questions sorry if these are already answerd I could not find them 🙁

1. Research. I have one general research/lab, then I have a honor/rec/award that is a fellowship I got that also had a socioeconomic health sidetrack thing which lasted a summer (however the primary thing here was research). I have both of these as separate activities, so should I just subtract one summer's worth from the "research lab" hours if I document it in the fellowship? The fellowship is an MM while Research/Lab is not.

2. I listed a org/business under leadership - not listed elsewhere as an MM. Similar to above, if I am also including an accelerator fellowship summer program for this, should I subtract those summer hours from the 'total' hours I worked for the business?

3. Is it normal practice to group all publications and physican shadowing under one tab?

Additionally, is it possible to tailor primaries for specific schools? Like I know some schools value service, while some value research/innovation. I have a lot of programs and awards/jumpstarts (especially for the business) but also research that I havn't been able to include on my app without sacrificing some service slots. Are things like accelerators, startup prizes, etc. not worth including on the app as a activity slot and/or should I just put it under the business activity slot itself?

Thank you
 
A few additional questions sorry if these are already answerd I could not find them 🙁

1. Research. I have one general research/lab, then I have a honor/rec/award that is a fellowship I got that also had a socioeconomic health sidetrack thing which lasted a summer (however the primary thing here was research). I have both of these as separate activities, so should I just subtract one summer's worth from the "research lab" hours if I document it in the fellowship? The fellowship is an MM while Research/Lab is not.

2. I listed a org/business under leadership - not listed elsewhere as an MM. Similar to above, if I am also including an accelerator fellowship summer program for this, should I subtract those summer hours from the 'total' hours I worked for the business?

3. Is it normal practice to group all publications and physican shadowing under one tab?

4. Additionally, is it possible to tailor primaries for specific schools? Like I know some schools value service, while some value research/innovation. I have a lot of programs and awards/jumpstarts (especially for the business) but also research that I havn't been able to include on my app without sacrificing some service slots. 5) Are things like accelerators, startup prizes, etc. not worth including on the app as a activity slot and/or should I just put it under the business activity slot itself?
1) Yes.
2) Never double count the hours.
3) Yes, that is most typical.
4) No, for med school applications you can’t tailor the Primary App, but with Secondaries you may have the opportunity to focus responses to suit a school’s mission.
5) They are worth it if you apply to research and engineering-focused med schools. It’s fine to keep them in the slot with the affiliated project if you’re short on space.
 
1) Yes.
2) Never double count the hours.
3) Yes, that is most typical.
4) No, for med school applications you can’t tailor the Primary App, but with Secondaries you may have the opportunity to focus responses to suit a school’s mission.
5) They are worth it if you apply to research and engineering-focused med schools. It’s fine to keep them in the slot with the affiliated project if you’re short on space.
Thank you so much!

Also on the last note, if all the startup/business things were done at one site/organization, could I just list it as "Multiple Venture Programs" or is that less enticing than just listing the accelerator and launch fellowships individually?

I guess it comes down to:
1. Listing all three programs under my main business activity slot (leadership - other)
2. Listing all three programs under the "Multiple Venture Programs at _____," using that space to talk about the startup/business stuff I learned, then using the leadership-other to talk about mission and how it relates back to medicine and my story
3. Listing the most impressive program by itself in one slot—"accelerator fellowship bla bla"— and specify the grants, work done, etc. and then again use the leadership-other. However hear I don't include the other two mini-launchpad programs.

Is there one of these that is objectively better? Like would the generalized quantity in the second option be better than speaking specifically about the accelerator in the third option? Nomenclature-wise, I suppose. Sorry if this sounds like nuanced BS but it's the difference between 1 and 4 slots occupied so yeah :|
 
Thank you so much!

Also on the last note, if all the startup/business things were done at one site/organization, could I just list it as "Multiple Venture Programs" or is that less enticing than just listing the accelerator and launch fellowships individually?

I guess it comes down to:
1. Listing all three programs under my main business activity slot (leadership - other)
2. Listing all three programs under the "Multiple Venture Programs at _____," using that space to talk about the startup/business stuff I learned, then using the leadership-other to talk about mission and how it relates back to medicine and my story
3. Listing the most impressive program by itself in one slot—"accelerator fellowship bla bla"— and specify the grants, work done, etc. and then again use the leadership-other. However hear I don't include the other two mini-launchpad programs.

Is there one of these that is objectively better? Like would the generalized quantity in the second option be better than speaking specifically about the accelerator in the third option? Nomenclature-wise, I suppose. Sorry if this sounds like nuanced BS but it's the difference between 1 and 4 slots occupied so yeah :|
I don't have enough sense of your overall application and goals to best advise you. Do you have a WAMC post where you can direct me with your stats, school list, and more information about your entrepreneurial involvement? This is not the thread for providing that sort of information.
 
1) Yes, divide it into three categories. IMO, a Leadership space should include only the dates and hours of leadership roles. Clinical and nonclinical volunteering need to be differentiated.

2) No, it's not weird to separate out the subcomponents of an experience when each is so important to one's candidacy to med school.

3) Explain how you visualize using the Repeated feature and why. Is there a big difference in your year-by-year involvement?
3) i think for leadership it would be 100 (2018)->300 hours (2019), followed by 16 hours in the last month as I am now a part of a mentorship program to help newest exec board with transition post covid (though maybe that's more nonclinical volunteering rather than leadership?)
 
3) i think for leadership it would be 100 (2018)->300 hours (2019), followed by 16 hours in the last month as I am now a part of a mentorship program to help newest exec board with transition post covid (though maybe that's more nonclinical volunteering rather than leadership?)
You can use the Repeated feature since the times of involvement are spread out over years. Alternatively, just add a note at the end of the space about your recent mentorship, since it's minimal, and which I think is fine to leave in the same Leadership space.
 
You can use the Repeated feature since the times of involvement are spread out over years. Alternatively, just add a note at the end of the space about your recent mentorship, since it's minimal, and which I think is fine to leave in the same Leadership space.
Thank you so so much! Is there any way I could privately send you my hours breakdown for you to look over for any red flags/clearly deficient areas? I’m sure I’m being really neurotic but my last application lacked some strategy and I’m trying to make up for it this time haha.
 
Is there any way I could privately send you my hours breakdown for you to look over for any red flags/clearly deficient areas? I’m sure I’m being really neurotic but my last application lacked some strategy and I’m trying to make up for it this time haha.
Sorry, but my PM box is closed. Activities reviews can be sought in the WAMC Forum.
 
I'm planning to combine my undergrad scholarship and dean's list placement as an Honors/Awards/Recognitions entry, but I've got no idea what to list for "Total Hours." Has anyone figured out a good solution for this?
 
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Could tutoring activities be condensed into 1-2 activity slots despite being with different orgs? Or could TAing a class just be removed entirely (do adcoms really care about class TAing?). I have 4 activities that would fall under the TA/Tutoring/Mentor category: teaching groups of students at underserved school, 1 on 1 with a refugee ELL student, 1 on 1 with individual students from the underdeserved schools, and then TAing. Need to save some space due to pubs, but each activity was very distinct.
 
I'm planning to combine my undergrad scholarship and dean's list placement as an Honors/Awards/Recognitions entry, but I've got no idea what to list for "Total Hours." Has anyone figured out a good solution for this?
Enter either a zero or the time you sat at an awards ceremony to have the honor conferred.
 
1) Could tutoring activities be condensed into 1-2 activity slots despite being with different orgs? 2) What was your role as TA? If it was grading papers and proctoring tests, you can leave it off. Or could TAing a class just be removed entirely (do adcoms really care about class TAing?). I have 4 activities that would fall under the TA/Tutoring/Mentor category: teaching groups of students at underserved school, 1 on 1 with a refugee ELL student, 1 on 1 with individual students from the underdeserved schools, and then TAing. Need to save some space due to pubs, but each activity was very distinct.
1) Yes, you can group them provided you enter Contact info/Organization in the narrative space for those listed after the first.
2) What was your role as TA? If it was grading papers and proctoring tests, you can leave it off.
 
I'm planning to combine my undergrad scholarship and dean's list placement as an Honors/Awards/Recognitions entry, but I've got no idea what to list for "Total Hours." Has anyone figured out a good solution for this?
Yes. That's a big fat "0." You're listing the awards themselves, not the hours you spent in class and studying, grinding away to earn the grades the led to the awards. Those are actually the hours reflected in the credits in your Academic Record section! 😎

All kidding aside, it's an honor/award/recognition. It's not an activity. It's not expected to have hours associated with it.
 
1) Yes, you can group them provided you enter Contact info/Organization in the narrative space for those listed after the first.
2) What was your role as TA? If it was grading papers and proctoring tests, you can leave it off.
Thanks, that makes sense. However, one of the tutorings is an MM for me (the refugee/ELL one) and I feel I need all characters for that. Could I just put that alone, then the others in another "tutoring/mentoring/etc." activity slot, or would that be too confusing?

For the TA, I've been a lab TA, lecture TA, and grading TA. None were really comparable, at least in meaning, to any of the other activity, and mostly felt like just another class...but I have heard that adcoms sometimes value seeing that an applicant can teach high level material to older students...if this isn't true I'll just delete TAing entirely.
 
Hi I have a quick question about a specific activity and whether it should be added or not. So in high school I started a little "business"/online store to make some extra money to help my mom out and covered my own financial needs since our family income was very low. I basically flipped random things I found through thrifting, yard sales, etc and eventually did more e-commerce stuff. It didn't make a ton of money but it was a hobby that kept me clothed and fed. I stopped for a bit once I got a part time job but I continued again in college (made more money with more orders completed but still not significant enough to file taxes). Would this be classified as 'other' or 'hobby'? Should I consider it a paid employment?
 
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