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Used to be. And it was closer to 150 miles.
I still have a 30 mile barrier though. Might be some change to that soon though.
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I still have a 30 mile barrier though. Might be some change to that soon though.
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Debatable with the "correct " protocols in place that must be rigidly followed. Otherwise, you are probably right and there is much less risk with a low base/low benefit associate where you hire and build up a new office location rather have a model where you need the demand first and then hire and pay well.
This is why most argue we are saturated. No more proof is needed than this. If podiatrists turned these 100K or below type jobs down because there were better opportunities this common business model would cease to exist in all but the most saturated locations.
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You have no idea bro....it is hard even with experience...
Take a break and enjoy the day nobody on the other side of those applications are working today
Podiatry job search is hard even after good residency, board cert, experience, and 3rd whiskey on the rocks.
Yeah, just relax and bet $300 on Cowboys/skins game over 47.5... that win might cover student loan interest for this week.
Good teams win, great teams cover…
Buy crypto. The mother of all bullruns is coming once a Bitcoin ETF is approved.
Yes, 100%... won't get rich from just seeing patients.
Always gotta have stocks, indexes, alts, RE, and various investments or ways to grow the savings.
I'm still looking for the next NVO (even though it's still running well).
I have half my money in South Park NFTs
I believe in Cardano.
Here are some decent paying jobs for those willing to move to less than desirable locations. I have inquired about the Shiprock GS-13 position and was told it pays 190-200k by the chief of podiatry there. Shiprock is close to Farmington, NM which is a decent sized city (has a Chick Fil A).
I talked to a graduate of my residency who previously worked at Gallup and they told me they try to get all their pods up to the maximum pay possible (so up to 300k depending on years of experience). There are 2 pods currently at Gallup, they are looking to hire 3 more. Downside is you have to live in Gallup, NM (no Chick Fil A).
Do not know much about the other locations. Not sure if they have Chick Fil A in those places, but feel free to check if that is important to you for deciding on location.
See link below and then search for podiatrist under position title.
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I talked to a graduate of my residency who previously worked at Gallup and they told me they try to get all their pods up to the maximum pay possible (so up to 300k depending on years of experience). There are 2 pods currently at Gallup, they are looking to hire 3 more. Downside is you have to live in Gallup, NM (no Chick Fil A).
Do not know much about the other locations. Not sure if they have Chick Fil A in those places, but feel free to check if that is important to you for deciding on location.
See link below and then search for podiatrist under position title.
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Alternatively, you can work as an associate in a big city with 20 Chik Fil A’s, and sadly never be able to afford to eat there. 🙁
How difficult and how long of a process is obtaining one of the IHS jobs ? Looks like the close date for the jobs are as far out as 6 months. Anyone have experience applying and can share ?
Both of those NM locations have had trouble recruiting and retaining.
The Shiprock has been open for years. Gallup had hired a full amount of DPMs, and then some quit.
The Shiprock area is fairly horrendous (and you have to live there - not Cortez or Farmington - to be in the call radius).
Gallup is fair but not the best... it has much more in terms of stores and restaurants and trails and parks than most IHS jobs, but the city is old and pretty rough in many parts, not a ton to do and fairly depressing in the city itself... but many fairly fun weekend drives from there (Flagstaff, ABQ, Durango, Winslow, etc etc).
Those jobs are decent start points (fair pay in terms of DPM jobs), but the hiring goes slow (govt) and it would be very rough on a partner/family - esp Shiprock. They'd be best for a single person and/or a "do this for a few years to pay off loans" plan.
What is expected as a doc there in terms of call? And is it just typical clinic and toe amps or do they want you doing Charcot recons and such
Hello! Been following this thread for some time now and wanted to get opinion on an offer
NYC based (4 offices, call at 4-5 hospitals)
125k base salary
25% after 250k collections (willing to negotiate percentage)
Benefits included except health insurance and 401k
2 year contract
Was told it’s very unlikely to get bonus first year but doable after 2nd year. Obviously with cost of living in NY, offer seems really low
NYC based (4 offices, call at 4-5 hospitals)
125k base salary
25% after 250k collections (willing to negotiate percentage)
Benefits included except health insurance and 401k
2 year contract
Was told it’s very unlikely to get bonus first year but doable after 2nd year. Obviously with cost of living in NY, offer seems really low
Garbage offer. If a place is expects you to take call at 4 hospitals you should be getting paid over 250k to be worked like a dog
Ah nice, I see they must have decided to focus on the less well known benefits, like paid subscriptions to PM News and JAPMA. I think that's reasonable, just maybe see if you can negotiate a weekly bagel or in office coffee machine. Health insurance is really affordable anyway...
Oh…so no benefits…cool
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Lol prepare for burnout right away. 4-5 hospitals!??? Prob no extra compensation for call either.
Run away.
Looks legit to me.
If you don’t live a doctor lifestyle like the other 1000 NYC pods.
You have to be 30min call radius... Cortez is a no way on that, and even the closest part of Farmington won't make it. That is probably HR saying what it takes to attract doctors... or perhaps the docs live in those places and stay in an on-call place in Shiprock (hospital or nearby housing) during their nights and weekends on call?
It is up to chief of surgery. Call is usually q-whatever they have.
That is a big pitfall with IHS jobs: people quit (a lot), so you might be q3 and then down to q2 for awhile.
The poor lady working out in Shiprock by herself (chief of podiatry = only podiatrist) is probably on call basically q2 (work just piles up while she's gone) or even perpetually on-call with rare weekend she takes vaca.
When I did IHS, I did basically whatever I was trained for (limit of facility and OR team). What is expected is based on what they need and what gets sent/called to podiatry. You definitely have to do a lot of rays and TMAs and I&D and fractures. Someone who doesn't do ankle fx or doesn't do any surgery or whatever would likely be paid less... or just not hired. Again, up to chief of surg.
Only dim wits do Charcot recon. 😉
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Also known as - Live like a resident for the rest of your life
Pretty terrible - why are you asking / what do you want to know?
-Going to lots of offices sounds awful. Probably harder to train staff. May have different equipment at different offices
-Taking call is awful unless you are hospital employed at your own hospital.
-$125K is very podiatry but most of us don't live in the most expensive tax heavy city on Earth
-25% after 50% is terrible. There's no money to be made on 25% and anyone who will offer you 25% will screw you on it and find a way not to pay you because that's the type of person they are. There's also no reason for the collections to be that low - you aren't costing anything because they aren't paying for any benefits for you.
-Health insurance is expensive. If your job doesn't offer it then you'll have to buy it from a broker or the .GOV marketplace. If you have a family you can expect to have costs somewhere between $10-20K. My guess is insurance just for yourself is likely minimum $6000 or more.
-Watch out that they don't try and screw you into being a 1099.
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Congrats to the mustache pod for finding a passive income generator without having to pay any overhead on them.
Besides health insurance and retire match/bonuses/stock, what other important benefits are there?
You see, I'm a podiatrist and clearly not the most experienced in jobs which provide benefits in excess of holiday $25 gift card.
I am not a MBA who learns employment benefits in school or a MD who gets them at all jobs, so I am trying to learn here. 🙁
(malpractice and hospital dues and CME and PTO for an associate doc are not "benefits," they are a given)
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Lol everyone here is a savage. This was my first offer from my recent job hunts so I’m also trying to figure out what’s a feasible offer versus not, especially in a place like NYC with such a high COL.
With that being said, I was not aware that malpractice/credentialing/CME was not benefits so thank you for pointing that out. Especially because there are other places that don’t offer that. Personally, I don’t need care much for health insurance as I am able to tag onto my partner’s plan.
If it's an employ (W2) job, they have to provide license, malprac, hospital dues, CME, etc etc expenses required to practice.
If they don't (doc does), then it's a 1099 contractor job.
Actual benefits are health, dent, vision, PTO, pa/maternity, 401/403 match, sign bonus, relocate bonus, other bonus, etc.
Health and retire match and bigger-than-avg PTO (more than 3 weeks) are typically the big benefits... so your offer has basically no benefits.
These are costs of doing business, not benefits.
It has nothing to do with being a savage. I’m a PP associate in a relatively high cost of living area. It’s not California or New York but it’s getting close.
25% collection after bonus is an insult. Do you really want to make $100 for every bunion you do? Even the TFPs won’t rip their associates for less than 30 percent.
A decent associate job will be 35-40. NYC is just so entrenched in corruption it’s unbelievable.
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No of course not - the job market just seems to be really terrible but I guess that’s what you would expect out of the northeast unfortunately
You would do well to wait for better offers. Once you’re operating and practicing, the liability of only being compensated $100 for a surgery that may land you a lawsuit, board complaint, or a negative online doc review will change your mind about the situation.
Gallup is probably the worst possible place to ever live. There is a reason why these jobs have openings. There is nothing to do there and the community is rough. Check the housing market too. Hardly any houses for sale worth living in. If you are single maybe you could pull it off for a few years and save some cash waiting for something better to come around. But bringing your loved one and children to these areas is asking for a divorce. Anybody who says different has never been to Gallup.
Podiatry Foot & Ankle Surgery
Gainesville, FloridaPrivate Practice
Full Time
Podiatry (D.P.M.) Opportunity in Gainesville, Florida
Location: Gainesville, Florida
Company Name: The Orthopedic Institute
Discipline: Doctor of Podiatric Medicine
The Orthopedic Institute (TOI), a leading private practice group in Florida, is hiring for a BC Podiatrist to join our Orthopedic team in our very attractive Gainesville Florida Headquarters.
Qualified Candidates:
- Physician should have an active license in be in good standing.
- Podiatrist should be trained in Foot and Ankle Surgery
- Ideal candidate will be energetic and motivated with strong patient-centered practice philosophy
- Great Opportunity for experienced and new graduates alike
- Expect 2-2.5 OR days and 2.5-3 days in office per week
- Competitive compensation including a share of ancillary profits
- Relocation allowance, sign-on bonus and base salary plus productivity-based bonuses
- 25+ year market leading practice experiencing steady growth
- Very light level III trauma center with very supportive partners
- Excellent benefits including health, dental, vision, life insurance, paid time off etc.
About the opportunity with The Orthopedic Institute (TOI):
- We are a leading private orthopedic group in Florida with 50 physicians across more than 14 offices
- TOI is looking to recruit to fulfill the booming demand for foot and ankle surgery located predominantly in our Flagship Gainesville Florida office
- The primary focus for the position will be an elective foot and ankle and forefoot practice
- Strong patient base with a busy practice located in a fast growing area of Florida
- Robust infrastructure and support to help ramp up your practice with a highly collaborative culture
- This practice has critical support service lines including MRI, physical therapy, DME and outpatient surgery center
Contact Information
[email protected] , (727) 418-5696
Compensation Details:
Competitive base salary plus production bonus.
Yes, I'm sure DPMs there tend sprain their wrist rapidly writing ankle refers the the F&A ortho and sports orthos in the group who make 3x what they do? 🙂
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Certainly true on the salary, but as for the job… Not quite. I know one of the DPM docs there. Insane busy… foot recons, total ankles, ankle fusions, triples, etc.
They only just recently hired one ortho F&A. The DPM I know was their main F&A guy for a number of years. They added another DPM 2 years ago.
The area we work is very ortho/podiatry friendly thankfully. I also had a great relationship with one of the local University ortho F&A guys until he left. Central FL a great place to practice!!!
I hope it works out for him.
You be amaaaaazed how much surgical volume and how many ER refers a decent F&A ortho can eat up... and how fast.
Sports med orthos can be variable, but most will do ankle fx, Jones fx, everything Achilles, ankle OA, lat ankle instab, etc etc also.
They can typically feed the inject/insole and non-op fx and most post-ops to their PA(s) and can really crank out the surgery. That is not to mention most are just more efficient in OR and have zero referral bias that most DPMs have to really work at.
Most general orthos will leave the F&A stuff alone (exception of ankle fx) so long as there are plenty of knees and hips and femurs and radius to fix, but if their business dries up a bit and schedule thins for any reason (economy, other orthos, town shrinks, etc), watch out. They know how to do basic F&A and can always read up on doing any F&A... so they will absolutely gobble significant F&A work also if times get tough.
...There are actually a few top F&A orthos speaking at ACFAS annual conf Tampa next year - some near retired and a couple in prime years, so that'll be interesting to see how that goes. Things are changing, but it is a very slow and gradual change. A lot of the things said f2f at rep workshops or meetings are markedly different than closed-door convos and thinking. Money always matters.
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Horrendous offer with a TWO YEAR contract on top of it....holy crap. I've seen some bad offers from my time in NY but this is one of the worst. If for whatever circumstances you need to seriously consider this offer, I would fight hard against their non-compete.
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Question about offers like this for both OP and the general readers.
There are variable bases and percentages but in this scenario when it says 25% after 250k collections, does that mean a 1 time 250k threshold that you only need to pass once in your career there? Or does it renew every year? Strictly asking about bonus, I know base is the same.
For instance. Year 1 collect $300,000 then bonus 25% of remaining $50,000. Then year 2 collect $300,000 again and bonus 25% of remaining $50,000.
Or it is year 1 collect $300,000 then bonus 25% of remaining $50,000. Then year 2 collect $300,000 keep 25% of full $300,000?
Which scenario is correct? To be clear I think both are unethical. Just trying to understand how these contracts work.
Wow! That's in the top 5 of worst jobs I have ever seen.
"Benefits included except health insurance and 401k"
So what benefits are they even including then? Occasional pizza lunch Fridays?
Depends on specifics of contract but typically it resets each year. So in your examples, you would have to newly obtain the 250k threshold every year before the 25% kicks in. Like many before mentioned, not really sure where this "next level" accounting came from but it sure has become the standard.
Ouch, 4-5 hospitals? That alone should be an automatic non-starter. Even if you’re paid for call, it’s nowhere near covering mental health.
On the practice end of things, the numbers also don't really add up. So they think it will take 2 years to start reaching a painfully low bonus. So, 250k divided by 48 weeks of 5 full days. Depending on what your average collections per patient are, let's say $100 for reference (though I'm sure the attendings here can give you a real number) - that comes out to needing to see 10.4 patients per day. If it really takes 2 years to build up to 10 patients a day, then you have a pretty rough combination of varying degrees of saturation, practice management, and referral patterns. That practice clearly doesn't need an associate, you're just there to carry the pager.
On the practice end of things, the numbers also don't really add up. So they think it will take 2 years to start reaching a painfully low bonus. So, 250k divided by 48 weeks of 5 full days. Depending on what your average collections per patient are, let's say $100 for reference (though I'm sure the attendings here can give you a real number) - that comes out to needing to see 10.4 patients per day. If it really takes 2 years to build up to 10 patients a day, then you have a pretty rough combination of varying degrees of saturation, practice management, and referral patterns. That practice clearly doesn't need an associate, you're just there to carry the pager.
I'm gonna make a top 10 worst job postings list, anyone feel free to add on
1) The Utah 85k associate gig
2) Nursing home million dollar buyout
3) NYC 125k two year contract, benefits are you don't get unemployment
1) The Utah 85k associate gig
2) Nursing home million dollar buyout
3) NYC 125k two year contract, benefits are you don't get unemployment
