Oh dear God

[DeterminedDoc]

Lol. If this isn't a troll I really would like to see what you are like as a person. Are you as big a failure in the rest of your life as you are with basic introductory classes? I don't think I would want someone like you as a doctor (I would fear for my life), and I sincerely hope you continue down your road of failure. Remember, society will always need someone to dig the ditches!

Yep. And i'll very much enjoy digging your grave.

If you do REALLY well on the postbac and MCAT, you might even have a chance at a few MD schools.

Lol look at my grades, look at my GPA again. Thats not happening in this lifetime sadly. If I had been a better human being and less of a ******, then maybe. But not anymore. There's no reason (unless I cure cancer AND AIDS AND Alzheimer's) ANY MD school would be interested in an Indian pre-med with such a low GPA when there's millions upon millions of us with 3.9s.

Its ok, i'll just have to accept it eventually.

However, if you end up "having to go" to D.O. school because you didn't get M.D. admissions, don't do it if you think that D.O. is somehow not fulfilling to your dreams or your beliefs of what is and isn't a physician. Personally, I'd have no trouble being a DO as being an MD, although if posed with the possibility of avoiding downsides, I would seriously contemplate the idea.

Im confused as to why you guys keep posing these rhetorical scenarios where I could end up at an MD school. I thought it was established that's not happening in this lifetime and I'm pretty sure my grades and GPA will vouch for that. I mean getting into a DO school itself is remote for me because of how badly I have screwed up - don't try to continue raising my hopes when I'm trying to accept that I have none for MD.

As for your point, yes, being an Indian pre-med and having to go DO isn't what I wanted initially since Indian pre-meds end up as MDs and there is family and cultural influence too. But Indian culture is stupid, and the mentality is ******ed so I don't even care anymore. I figure ultimately its my life and I want to be a doctor. Even if a part of me always has to live with the fact that I wasn't good enough to be an MD. But I figure if I'm going DO, might as well try and start a trend for other Indian pre-meds.

I want to be an oncologist, can DOs become oncologists? Is it more difficult compared to MDs? Are there DO oncologists? I figure in the end, if I do cure someone from cancer, the letters behind my name won't really hold any meaning. Anyone from my stupid @$$ culture or country who thinks otherwise can go f*** themselves.

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[gmcguitar4]

I want to be an oncologist, can DOs become oncologists? Is it more difficult compared to MDs? Are there DO oncologists? I figure in the end, if I do cure someone from cancer, the letters behind my name won't really hold any meaning. Anyone from my stupid @$$ culture or country who thinks otherwise can go f*** themselves.

One of my friends is Indian and he decided to go MD in the Caribbean b/c he had a couple of family members that were DO and they said "DON'T DO IT!" and his parents were like that's not even a real doctor! *sigh* He shall now learn the hard way..

 

[LuciusVorenus]

Yep. And i'll very much enjoy digging your grave.


I want to be an oncologist, can DOs become oncologists? Is it more difficult compared to MDs? Are there DO oncologists? I figure in the end, if I do cure someone from cancer, the letters behind my name won't really hold any meaning. Anyone from my stupid @$$ culture or country who thinks otherwise can go f*** themselves.

I'm not aware of any RESIDENCIES in oncology (I may be mistaken). As far as I know, you do a residency in a given specialty first, and then a subspecialty in oncology. For example, you could do general surgery and specialize in oncology. You can do derm or neurosurgery and specialize in oncology. You can do radiology with a specialty in oncology. Similarly, you can do internal medicine/peds with a specialty in oncology.

In other words, if you want to be an oncologist, there are dozens of different paths to take to reach that goal.

Yes, DO residency programs all offer oncology programs and there are many, many DO oncologists. I wouldn't say they're any harder to get into, no. Again, as I said, you have a lot of options when it comes to oncology.

 

[Total180]

Thats pretty impressive. Are you an MD student btw? Because if you are then your opinion on this topic doesn't matter. You have already reached the pinnacle of success, and you can't tell me its the same exact thing as the next best option.

There is always going to be a "second best" option. It is going to happen for your entire life. What would be the situation if you had fine stats but only got into your state school? That would be second best to an Ivy...would that make you want to quit? What if you wanted to go into Oncology but your med school grades weren't good enough and you had to go into family practice? Would that not be good enough? You have to start being "ok" with not being the absolute best. I really wanted to go to school in SC, but that didn't happen, and I am at a DO school now and *shock* I absolutely LOVE my school, all the people in it, and who knows how I would feel if I had gotten into my "dream" school.

The point is, you are never going to be the best possible. You have to come to the realization that you can only do what you can do with what you have. If you really want to be a doctor because you want to be a physician who can help people, you still have a shot at that. If you want to be a doctor so your parents can brag about their son who is in med school and is going to be the most awesome doctor in the world and is going to cure cancer, then you probably wouldn't have been happy anyway, even if you did end up in your "dream" MD school.

 

[sliceofbread136]

Yep. And i'll very much enjoy digging your grave.

I don't think you'd qualify unfortunately.

 

[thepoopologist]

My GPA: 2.7

Fourth year (five years of UG totally so I have 1.5 years left).

Grades this sem:

Biostats: W

Pharmacology: F

Macroeconomics: F

Intermediate Microeconomics: F

Cell Bio: C-

Microbio: C-

Time to get that McDonlad's app filled out. Im officially at the point of no return.

I want to be an oncologist, can DOs become oncologists? Is it more difficult compared to MDs? Are there DO oncologists? I figure in the end, if I do cure someone from cancer, the letters behind my name won't really hold any meaning. Anyone from my stupid @$$ culture or country who thinks otherwise can go f*** themselves.

You aren't getting into ANY GRADUATE school with those grades. Your goal right now is to make it out of academic probation.

Right now you're a fat kid who has been a member of a world class gym for the past three years. You originally joined to get the Victorias Secret Model but now that you've done nothing for the past three years, and you only have 1.5 years left on your membership, you'll settle for a Frederick's of Hollywood Model.

But what you forget is that you're still FAT. You have a 1.5 years left to get in shape. Do that 1st and then think about your options, whatever they may be.

 

[DeterminedDoc]

One of my friends is Indian and he decided to go MD in the Caribbean b/c he had a couple of family members that were DO and they said "DON'T DO IT!" and his parents were like that's not even a real doctor! *sigh* He shall now learn the hard way..

Thats why I hate being Indian. I mean if I had a 3.8, it probably wouldn't be as bad, so I don't really have anyone to blame but myself. But still, its a ******ed mentality from a ******ed culture.

The point is, you are never going to be the best possible. You have to come to the realization that you can only do what you can do with what you have.

But is it wrong for me to want more and to have more? At this point that doesn't really matter, thats made very clear to me. Ive begun to accept that I will never be good enough to be an MD in this lifetime and will frankly be extremely lucky to end up as a DO, even if I'm the only Indian pre-med out there in this situation.

My point is that I could have and should have been so much better. My grades are abominable because instead of working hard in school, I did drugs and ended up failing. That guilt literally tears me apart and it makes me hate myself to know that I could have had a shot at MD and more career opportunities if I wasn't a complete ******. I will have to learn to live with that for the rest of my life, but I have ways of coping with it.

I know I'm not the best possible - my grades clearly show that. I just could have been so much BETTER than I am now if I was less of a ******. That is why I feel so guilty and can't stop wallowing in it, even though I know I shouldn't.

 

[dreamweaver1988]

DON'T FEED THE TROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And OP, if you're not a troll, realize that you have set a ridiculously high standard. Doctors comprise just 0.3% of the U.S. population. In other words, this is a very small, elite group of people, and MDs are the cream of the crop. There are literally millions of people who literally are not good enough to get into the field of medicine. Many more could do it if they had the chance, but never will. You are relatively lucky in that you at least have a chance (albeit a very small one, just like most medical school applicants; P.S. you're not the only one who has ever had a low GPA); make the most of it.

Previous posters have made really good points as well. If you become a family physician (which I doubt will ever happen), will you come on SDN and whine because you're not a specialist? If you become a gastroenterologist, will you whine because you're not a surgeon? If you become a surgeon, will you whine because you're not chief of surgery? If you become chief of surgery, will you whine because you're not the CEO of the hospital? And so on. Honestly, no matter where I attend medical school (assuming that I do), I pray to the Fates that you are not there.

 

[blue0rchid]

t.r.o.l.l.

 

[O2Doc]

God no please don't say that. I can still be a doctor. That is all I want to do, I'm not switching careers because I was too stupid to get into med school. I can't live like that. I would rather die in that case.

Yes, I am too much of a failure to become an MD in this lifetime and I am coming to peace with that.

But I can still go DO of I take advantage of the grade replacement policy.

Oh man, I love how you did a 180 right from "Noooo, I can't possibly be a Honda, what would I even put on a DO application, you're ******s, my life is over" to "Coming to peace with it!" the moment a few people in a row told you that you can't do DO either

 

[DeterminedDoc]

Doctors comprise just 0.3% of the U.S. population. In other words, this is a very small, elite group of people, and MDs are the cream of the crop.

I know, I thought I could be there too, but I can't.

Previous posters have made really good points as well. If you become a family physician (which I doubt will ever happen), will you come on SDN and whine because you're not a specialist? If you become a gastroenterologist, will you whine because you're not a surgeon? If you become a surgeon, will you whine because you're not chief of surgery? If you become chief of surgery, will you whine because you're not the CEO of the hospital? And so on. Honestly, no matter where I attend medical school (assuming that I do), I pray to the Fates that you are not there.

I wasn't aiming for Harvard. I just thought I could have a shot at MD schools since, as an aspiring oncologist, it would help when it came time to specialize. But as you said, not everyone can be the cream of the crop and I will have to accept that I am not good enough for it. It doesn't matter to me how many other people aren't good enough either, all that matters to me is that I'm not.

Oh man, I love how you did a 180 right from "Noooo, I can't possibly be a Honda, what would I even put on a DO application, you're ******s, my life is over" to "Coming to peace with it!" the moment a few people in a row told you that you can't do DO either

I never said I wouldn't apply DO. Even if I had done last semester my GPA wouldn't have been very competitive for MD or DO, so it would make sense for me to apply to both. I was pouting and moaning for the past 2 pages because I hated myself for screwing up the opportunity to be an MD in this lifetime. It took me a bit to realize that I may never be that good enough, but I can still do what I want as a DO. The fact that I'm Indian and have to go a DO route also added to my initial distaste since its considered "lower" in our stupid disgraceful excuse of a culture that I frankly can't be bothered with anymore.

But yes, when people tell you that even the back door option is out of reach, then there is no point in continuing to pout and moan about not being able to reach the front door - you have to focus on what you can still do and learn to accept that you may just never be good enough for certain things in life.

 

[411309]

What a ridiculous load of crap this is. Im willing to buy into the fact that this isnt a troll...soooooooooo lets see. DO isnt as good as MD right? Well, according to the OP anyways. No offense but you're not in any position to say that DO isnt good enough for you, lol...

What is the point of these threads that you make about how much you hate your life? That's what I don't understand. This section is called "what are my chances". Not "im depressed, ive been given three million opportunities and failed all of them because life is unfair clouds are purple obama became president blah blah". Really how anyone take this seriously? If this is a troll, then the troll must be a very messed up person, lol.

If this is really a person than I have no idea what advice to give you except become a clown. Because everyone likes a sad clown..people draw pictures of them!

...or you can stop making im sad threads on sdn, find a way to combat your depression and do something interesting with your life while you're alive.

 

[DeterminedDoc]

...or you can stop making im sad threads on sdn, find a way to combat your depression and do something interesting with your life while you're alive.

Yea its called becoming a doctor, in case you forgot the name of this website champ.

And I'm done with all that DO vs MD "Honda vs. BMW" "Mac vs. PC" "Adrianna Lima vs. Rosie O'Donell" crap. I realize that at the end of the day, I want to be a doctor and I want to help cure cancer. The only reason why I was moaning so much this entire thread was mentioned already but whatever, ill say it again.

I was drowning in guilt over my performance last semester and the fact that I let myself make such stupid decisions that made me miss out on any chance of MD schools and will be very lucky to end up at a DO school. The cultural stigma associated with DOs also fueled my sorrow, but at the end of the day, its not really worth it. Ultimately, everyone here was right, if I do end up as a DO oncologist and cure someone from cancer, who cares about the letters behind my name?

It took me a while for me to let my guilt sink in before I could really grasp that and move on. There's no need to keep bringing that up really. At least now I have a game plan and some hope that if I can pull myself together, I still might be competitive for DO schools.

 

[LuciusVorenus]

Yea its called becoming a doctor, in case you forgot the name of this website champ.

And I'm done with all that DO vs MD "Honda vs. BMW" "Mac vs. PC" "Adrianna Lima vs. Rosie O'Donell" crap. I realize that at the end of the day, I want to be a doctor and I want to help cure cancer. The only reason why I was moaning so much this entire thread was mentioned already but whatever, ill say it again.

I was drowning in guilt over my performance last semester and the fact that I let myself make such stupid decisions that made me miss out on any chance of MD schools and will be very lucky to end up at a DO school. The cultural stigma associated with DOs also fueled my sorrow, but at the end of the day, its not really worth it. Ultimately, everyone here was right, if I do end up as a DO oncologist and cure someone from cancer, who cares about the letters behind my name?

It took me a while for me to let my guilt sink in before I could really grasp that and move on. There's no need to keep bringing that up really. At least now I have a game plan and some hope that if I can pull myself together, I still might be competitive for DO schools.

Listen to this all day:

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[JustMeditate]

There's nothing wrong with being upset about your situation. Regardless of what others here might say, ANYONE would be cynical after failing multiple courses. Right now, its okay to vent, and complain, and be cynical. Hell, doing so has helped me blow off steam on many occasions. But the folks here on SDN are correct in saying that, eventually, you'll have to change your attitude.

In reality, what you learn in undergrad will bear little to no resemblance to your med school courses. Undergrad isn't about achieving the basic pre-requisites necessary for learning medicine. In my opinion, its really just an audition to see if you can maintain a high GPA, beat the MCAT, participate in multiple EC's (Shadowing, clinical volunteer work, research, non-clinical volunteer work, teaching/tutoring, leadership, unique experiences, honors, etc.), establish relationships with important persons (for the sake of Letters of Rec), and maintain your sanity simultaneously. Because during medical school and residency, you'll be doing nothing BUT medicine. It will be an extremely stressful environment. And the high standards for MD and DO schools are there to weed out all those who simply can't handle the rigor of medicine.

So, in all honesty, the pre-meds who survive and make it into medicine do so through optimism. If anyone asked me, "What one's piece of advice that will get me into med school?," my answer would be, "ALWAYS stay optimistic." Everyone has had to face the fact that, unless they ace the final, they will get a C or a D in a class. Everyone has had that one professor who can't teach worth **** and you, as a pre-med, have to teach the course to yourself AND get an A. Everyone has had that moment when they realize they should have been preparing for an exam for weeks and have just now started. You want to know the difference between those who fail and those who succeed? Those who succeed are optimistic in the face of all these, and even when they are literally days away from the test that could make or break their GPA, say, "**** this ****! I am AWESOME! And I am going to ace this god damn exam!"

Is it too late for you to get into a DO program? No! Is it to late to get into an MD program? No! But if you let your cynicism win out in the long run, you're done, You've lost the game. It's over. It sounds cheesy, but trust me on this. Becoming a doctor is all about being optimistic.

 

[DeterminedDoc]

So, in all honesty, the pre-meds who survive and make it into medicine do so through optimism. If anyone asked me, "What one's piece of advice that will get me into med school?," my answer would be, "ALWAYS stay optimistic."

True, but optimism is in short supply in my life right now. I mean, if I had an illness, a family issue, or something else that was outside my control that happened, I could at least justify this poor performance.

What kills me and makes me hate myself is the fact that I did drugs, and didn't work nearly as hard enough as I should have. If I had taken better initiative, I could have been in such a better position right now. That's why its hard for me to stop hating myself. Im 21, its my third year, I should have been better than this. I should have been much more. Im still trying to deal with that feeling of failure, and I'm honestly not sure if it will ever go away. So yes, optimism is important, but its hard to be optimistic when you screw up this much for being an irresponsible ******. But your right, I do have to find a way to move on, I just wish I knew how to stop letting my guilt consume me.

Is it too late for you to get into a DO program? No! Is it to late to get into an MD program? No!

People who fail three classes, and have a GPA of 2.45 can never become an MD and frankly have to walk over a mile of lava just to be a DO. To say that I can still be an MD when I'm trying to accept the fact that I screwed up too hard to become one is just patronizing at this point.

As for the Fulbright, If i had been a better person, I would have had a chance. People with a 2.45 GPA shouldn't aspire for things that great in life, I'm just setting myself up for more pain in the end.

 

[CougarMD]

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