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[bastar88]

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I have already a MD acceptance from a really good school. Thus, I am not starting this thread to hate on URMs, but to question if URMs really do tend to go back to their disadvantaged neighborhoods and serve as great physicians there.

That being said, I can understand URM who attends institutions like Morehouse that focuses on serving the underserved and not really on research: I believe they will more likely go back and help their community.

However, how about URMs who attend Harvard, Yale, and other top research institutions. Will they give up all opportunities and prestige to serve the "ghetto" communities?

Just something on my mind.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

what makes you think that the URMs are "supposed" to go back to the "ghettos" where they supposedly came from?

 

[NickNaylor]

Cool, I get to post the same image in two threads.

 

[morning]

If you have to opt for a self-deprecating title, you should know not to post it.

 

[Pons Asinorum]

[IMAGE]http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-02-21/1235255069967.jpg[/IMAGE]

Cool, I get to post the same image in two threads.

Problem solved...

 

[morning]

What's up with the codes on this forum getting all messed up lately?

 

[Pons Asinorum]

What's up with the codes on this forum getting all messed up lately?

Not sure, but noticed the same thing. As far as I can tell, something is somehow causing both code fails and banal, repetitive URM thread creations. Not sure if this is correlation or causation or something else that starts with a "C". Also not sure if this is a feature or a bug...

 

[NickNaylor]

Problem solved...

Thanks bro. I'm using an Android app and it doesn't have all the codes so I have to try and remember them.

 

[Pons Asinorum]

Thanks bro. I'm using an Android app and it doesn't have all the codes so I have to try and remember them.

Before I opened up the link, I had a prettttttty good idea of what was coming down the pipe. It's been a sad week for new threads around these parts.

 

[OrangeandMaroon]

Thanks bro. I'm using an Android app and it doesn't have all the codes so I have to try and remember them.

Cole, Weezy is free!

 

[bastar88]

what makes you think that the URMs are "supposed" to go back to the "ghettos" where they supposedly came from?

Isn't that the purpose of having more minority doctors, so they can interact and provide better care to their communities; thus, influencing others in their community to become more like them.

 

[bastar88]

Cool picture. I honestly just want people's opinion on this issue. Not really trying to bash anyone, just want to ask for the purpose of URM favoritism, since many of them will be my classmates.

Cool, I get to post the same image in two threads.

 

[LizzyM]

I have already a MD acceptance from a really good school. Thus, I am not starting this thread to hate on URMs, but to question if URMs really do tend to go back to their disadvantaged neighborhoods and serve as great physicians there.

That being said, I can understand URM who attends institutions like Morehouse that focuses on serving the underserved and not really on research: I believe they will more likely go back and help their community.

However, how about URMs who attend Harvard, Yale, and other top research institutions. Will they give up all opportunities and prestige to serve the "ghetto" communities? Just something on my mind.

Have ya' been to New Haven?

 

[Pons Asinorum]

Have ya' been to New Haven?

Or East Baltimore?

 

[bastar88]

Have ya' been to New Haven?

Point taken, but what about Westwood?

Do UCLA med students and residents after training go back to Compton and the Watts to serve the communities there?

 

[CougarMD]

Isn't that the purpose of having more minority doctors, so they can interact and provide better care to their communities; thus, influencing others in their community to become more like them.

^This scares me.

So you're saying.....becoming a leading cardio surgeon or teacher or Surgeon General is not ok if you're a minority? Because you're not "seeing your people"?

What about being a role model? You know, so little black kids know that they live in a world where a black person can be a nationally or internationally influential doctor too?

Expand your mind, dude. Think bigger.

Also....just because you are a minority doesn't mean you're from a community that is just made up of "your people".

 

[CougarMD]

And.....what bleargh said.

 

[MCAT guy]

 

[bastar88]

Thinking expanded ...

Of course, not all URMs are not as qualified as their white/asian counterparts. I personally know and respect those URMs who are the top students and student-researcher at my university. Not to attack you personally, but I believe you are having a "narrow" minded view.

Not all URMs are disadvantaged. Not all URMs are less qualified. Thus, I am asking why have a favoritism to all URMs? Clearly, all URMs are different.

^This scares me.

So you're saying.....becoming a leading cardio surgeon or teacher or Surgeon General is not ok if you're a minority? Because you're not "seeing your people"?

What about being a role model? You know, so little black kids know that they live in a world where a black person can be a nationally or internationally influential doctor too?

Expand your mind, dude. Think bigger.

Also....just because you are a minority doesn't mean you're from a community that is just made up of "your people".

 

[MCAT guy]

Thinking expanded ...

Of course, not all URMs are not as qualified as their white/asian counterparts. I personally know and respect those URMs who are the top students and student-researcher at my university.

You know URMS!?

 

[bastar88]

Haha, you can disregard what I say with a disdain if you wish, even with a hint (very strong) of sarcasm. You can try make to me sound less intelligent, but it doesn't make your argument stronger.

That being said, very cute picture of the dog by the way. EDIT, or should I say a cat or whatever that is now?

You know URMS!?

 

[MCAT guy]

Point taken, but what about Westwood?

Do UCLA med students and residents after training go back to Compton and the Watts to serve the communities there?

I personally wanted to pour out some liquor for all the homies in Compton and Watts.

Makaveli in this Killuminati, all through your body.
The blows like a 12 guage shotty. Uhh
Feel me!

 

[MCAT guy]

Haha, you can disregard what I say with a disdain if you wish, even with a hint (very strong) of sarcasm. You can try make to me sound less intelligent, but it doesn't make your argument stronger.

That being said, very cute picture of the dog by the way.

I axed the dog in favor of the little guy above. It was a tough choice as you can see.

btw, I have no argument!

 

[CougarMD]

Hey MCAT guy....I loved your pic in the other URM thread too. Couldn't stop
laughing🙂

 

[MCAT guy]

Hey MCAT guy....I loved your pic in the other URM thread too. Couldn't stop
laughing🙂

Glad I made you smile, btw it was a bleargh original.

Give credit where credit is due.🙂

 

[JeetKuneDo]

Is this guy doing the dougie? If so can he teach me?

 

[CougarMD]

Glad I made you smile, btw it was a bleargh original.

Give credit where credit is due.🙂

Hahah ok then you AND bleargh are awesome.

Nuttin' but love for ya, baby

 

[Brigade4Radiant]

I have already a MD acceptance from a really good school. Thus, I am not starting this thread to hate on URMs, but to question if URMs really do tend to go back to their disadvantaged neighborhoods and serve as great physicians there.

That being said, I can understand URM who attends institutions like Morehouse that focuses on serving the underserved and not really on research: I believe they will more likely go back and help their community.

However, how about URMs who attend Harvard, Yale, and other top research institutions. Will they give up all opportunities and prestige to serve the "ghetto" communities?

Just something on my mind.

So URMs need to go back to the ghetto while all the other students can do whatever. Also not all URMs have lower than avg stats OMG

 

[Angulimala]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20547907

"Three historically black colleges had the highest social mission rankings."

This certainly does not mean that black physicians are any less qualified than physicians of any other race, it just means that these medical schools tend to attract people who are interested in serving the "underserved" and/or that the schools themselves promote it.

 

[Pons Asinorum]

Is this guy doing the dougie? If so can he teach me?

I just love that this poster features a member of an Under Represented in Breakdancing (URB) racial group.

 

[morning]

^This scares me.

So you're saying.....becoming a leading cardio surgeon or teacher or Surgeon General is not ok if you're a minority? Because you're not "seeing your people"?

What about being a role model? You know, so little black kids know that they live in a world where a black person can be a nationally or internationally influential doctor too?

Expand your mind, dude. Think bigger.

Also....just because you are a minority doesn't mean you're from a community that is just made up of "your people".

Wow, you mean the inner city doesn't need cardiothoracic surgeons?

Newsflash: underserved communities aren't underserved solely in the realm of primary care.

 

[CougarMD]

Wow, you mean the inner city doesn't need cardiothoracic surgeons?

Newsflash: underserved communities aren't underserved solely in the realm of primary care.

Morning....don't bother attacking me. I agree with you and that was part of what i was trying to say.

 

[Pons Asinorum]

Wow, you mean the inner city doesn't need cardiothoracic surgeons?

Newsflash: underserved communities aren't underserved solely in the realm of primary care.

You have to agree, though, that by far the biggest health challenge facing underserved communities (specifically inner city being discussed in this thread) is a lack of access to primary care. Underserved patients in need of the services of a cardiothoracic surgeon don't usually do without. Those in need of primary care very frequently do.

 

[bastar88]

So URMs need to go back to the ghetto while all the other students can do whatever. Also not all URMs have lower than avg stats OMG

Simply yes, if you are being admitted under the assumption that you will go back to the underserved communities. Just like if the Army agrees to pay for your medical school education or if you are being admitted to Uniformed Armed Force Medical School. You are expected to serve the army after your education, and you will, or else ...

Of course not all URM have lower avg stats, or are DISADVANAGED. Then, why give an advantage to ALL URMs. Is there another reason? That is what I am asking.

 

[Mbeas]

Wow, you mean the inner city doesn't need cardiothoracic surgeons?

Newsflash: underserved communities aren't underserved solely in the realm of primary care.

Cougar's argument went way over your head. try reading it again.

 

[CougarMD]

Btw, OP, congrats on getting into med school. Where are you attending?

 

[Brigade4Radiant]

Simply yes, if you are being admitted under the assumption that you will go back to the underserved communities. Just like if the Army agrees to pay for your medical school education or if you are being admitted to Uniformed Armed Force Medical School. You are expected to serve the army after your education, and you will, or else ...

Of course not all URM have lower avg stats, or are DISADVANAGED. Then, why give an advantage to ALL URMs

LOL yes sir that lower GPA entitles them to be pigenholed into one path. No you don't have to work in Medical school nor do you have to do a residency. Also your Army Force medical school anecdote is bs since they PAY you. Schools mission statements are to cater towards primary care so by that quip all students must go into primary care.

LOL for twisting my words I never said all urms are disadvantaged I said not all of them have LOWER STATS!!! By fact of being URM they have to deal with the disadvantages that come with being URM so that is why all the ADVANTAGE is given to that 4% of the medschool class with 26s and 3.4GPAs nevermind many ORMs have get in with the same stats.

What about ORMs who get in with lower stats?

Those URMs that were let in by the ADCOMs and have to go through seven years of training

TOOK MY SEATS!!!!

 

[bastar88]

Btw, OP, congrats on getting into med school. Where are you attending?

Not sure where I am going, still waiting to hear from some schools in Nov, Jan, and March.

I got accepted by UVA.

 

[juliedi]

I read threads like this just for the pictures. Keep 'em coming!

 

[CougarMD]

Not sure where I am going, still waiting to hear from some schools in Nov, Jan, and March.

I got accepted by UVA.

Sweet. I hope you end up there! Keep me posted.


Also...Mbeas...<3. As an aside...I often click on your signature when I'm having a bad day😉

 

[bastar88]

Yes, but being URM also gets you "paid," aka scholarships.

Regarding ORMs, if they truly have the ability in medicine and did something significant, I would even give up my seat for them (of course after attaining another acceptance to a school that better fits me).

I just don't think you should have points added to your application just because you are URM and not because you are you.

LOL yes sir that lower GPA entitles them to be pigenholed into one path. No you don't have to work in Medical school nor do you have to do a residency. Also your Army Force medical school anecdote is bs since they PAY you. Schools mission statements are to cater towards primary care so by that quip all students must go into primary care.

What about ORMs who get in with lower stats?

 

[CougarMD]

OP....I think the fallacy in your logic is that having URM status is the sole reason people are getting accepted. Don't you think that an adcom can tell the difference between someone who can contribute to the diversity of a med school class with things other than solely race and those who can't? When you have met minority students and heard their stories, do you walk away thinking "wow...that person shouldn't have gotten into med school"? Is it possible that URM status is merely an indicator but not the sole point on which an admissions decision is made? Also....go look at the stats for how URMs get admitted at a lower rate than ORMs.

 

[Kalyx]

Not all URMs are disadvantaged.

Of course they are.

The term "underrepresented minority" most typically encompasses Native Americans, Blacks, and Hispanics. I'm stunned that historical trauma, institutionalized racism, marked educational disparities, cultural and language barriers, and minority stress wouldn't stand out to you as being disadvantages. These forms of oppression and disparities unfairly disadvantage URMs regardless of their financial backgrounds.


~Kalyx

 

[bookfreak89]

Simply yes, if you are being admitted under the assumption that you will go back to the underserved communities. Just like if the Army agrees to pay for your medical school education or if you are being admitted to Uniformed Armed Force Medical School. You are expected to serve the army after your education, and you will, or else ...

Of course not all URM have lower avg stats, or are DISADVANAGED. Then, why give an advantage to ALL URMs. Is there another reason? That is what I am asking.

Oh, I see. Question for you: How would anyone know if they are being admitted under the assumption of going back to work in underserved communities? 🙄

 

[Brigade4Radiant]

Yes, but being URM also gets you "paid," aka scholarships.

Regarding ORMs, if they truly have the ability in medicine and did something significant, I would even give up my seat for them (of course after attaining another acceptance to a school that better fits me).

I just don't think you should have points added to your application just because you are URM and not because you are you.

Nope schools rarely give scholarships to URMs and if they are given money then it is a third party. But no other students ever get any scholarships 🙄 If what you said was true then HBCU students would have little debt. You have points added to your application based on where you go and your resources you have.

Lol so you would give your seat to an ORM who had low stats but not an URM! Lol and it is the ADCOMs decision who gets in its not "your" school.

URMs are disadvantaged unless you are severely detached from reality which is why these polices are in place. And being URM is about being who they are lol. And I don't think people should have points taken off during the application of life for being born to a particular group.

 

[bastar88]

Thanks, and also for your responses. I read a couple of your posts in school specific threads. Seems you are having a good cycle up-to-date. Congratulations.

Sweet. I hope you end up there! Keep me posted.


Also...Mbeas...<3. As an aside...I often click on your signature when I'm having a bad day😉

 

[jvesco22]

Yes, but being URM also gets you "paid," aka scholarships.

Regarding ORMs, if they truly have the ability in medicine and did something significant, I would even give up my seat for them (of course after attaining another acceptance to a school that better fits me).

I just don't think you should have points added to your application just because you are URM and not because you are you.

Cool. You should make a thread about it...oh wait.

 

[bastar88]

OP....I think the fallacy in your logic is that having URM status is the sole reason people are getting accepted. Don't you think that an adcom can tell the difference between someone who can contribute to the diversity of a med school class with things other than solely race and those who can't? When you have met minority students and heard their stories, do you walk away thinking "wow...that person shouldn't have gotten into med school"? Is it possible that URM status is merely an indicator but not the sole point on which an admissions decision is made? Also....go look at the stats for how URMs get admitted at a lower rate than ORMs.

And also in response to your statement, yes of course, but have you considered the difference in number/stats/EC of ORM and URM applicants?

I am not saying all URMs gets into top schools. Some schools grant acceptances on a point system. You get points for different reasons, MCAT, GPA, EC, and race. When admissions decision come, they add up all the points and do a cut-off. I just question why should being URM automatically adds points your application.

 

[CougarMD]

I think... For the first time in awhile...someone has hit the nail on the head. Nice job Kalyx.

This is the fundamental issue. If don't think URMs are automatically at a disadvantage in most beaurocratic processes in the world, then helping them makes no sense. If you do, then it makes total sense.


Just think about something for a moment. I love the idea of time travel. I love science fiction and Back To The Future and HG Welles. I love dreaming about and imagining time travel. I think about the adventures I would have and the things I would go back and see.


So...think about being a little boy, dreaming of traveling in time. Would you go forward? Let's assume you would go back in time. Maybe 100 years....maybe 150. Live in the old west.


Now....imagine you are black.

The fantasy isnt fun anymore, is it? Suddnly a fundamental piece of you, how you look, is inadequte. You have to pretend even more....because to pretend you're back in time and not a piece of property, you have to pretend that you are white.

This is only an example. But think about how ideas such as this are pervasive in the head of someone who is a minority. And how there are places in this country where they are overtly unwelcome an even fearful. Just...have a little empathy for your fellow humans.

Sorry for any typos...I'm on a stupid iPhone.

 

[bastar88]

Nope schools rarely give scholarships to URMs and if they are given money then it is a third party. But no other students ever get any scholarships 🙄 If what you said was true then HBCU students would have little debt. You have points added to your application based on where you go and your resources you have.

Lol so you would give your seat to an ORM who had low stats but not an URM! Lol and it is the ADCOMs decision who gets in its not "your" school.

URMs are disadvantaged unless you are severely detached from reality which is why these polices are in place. And being URM is about being who they are lol. And I don't think people should have points taken off during the application of life for being born to a particular group.

Please don't make me sound like a racist. I never stated I would not give my seat to an URM. I just stated I would not give my seat to an URM if he is in just because he is URM not because of his accomplished.