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For the love of all that is holy if anyone thinks me reading the symmetry of a reads list as off is me saying they did it intentionally isn’t thinking very hard.
Part of how I pick up wolves is through things they may do subconsciously. That’s how I get fluff.
If O2 flips wolf if there’s one I bet ya it’s in the group of neutrals. If there’s 2 I bet it is in wolf read and neutrals.
But groups of 3 are the easiest to throw out. We’re engrained as humans as 3 is the best number to hid a lie in. Lien the game 2 truths and a lie. Anytime a group is perfectly 3 that gives a good spot to slip in a lie.
Cray, your grouping was in 2s from most to least. That feels different.
 
Animal Midwife said:
I think that's why we're strongly disagreeeing on who is and isn't a lhf.

The above definition lists people like dubz as lhf because there's rarely a game where she's not suspected in at least some capacity. Same for me.

Here's what other sites say for lhf.
wiki.mafiascum.net

Commonly Used Abbreviations

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www.mafiauniverse.com

Mafia Universe Terminology

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OK, well, Dubz wouldn't count because she isn't easy to get yeeted, period.

As far as players that get a lot of sus but maybe don't end up actually dying, maybe I should specify, although I think I did, that wolf *perception* matters for predicting wolf behavior.

So, I could more accurately say, "A wolf pack might think for xyz reasons that TN or WO is LHF, and so on thread they may TREAT them like they are LHF. This means that they may try to push the misyeet thinking they may be successful and that they will not suffer sus for having done so."

It doesn't matter if the player in question is in reality easy to yeet or not. What I'm trying to detect is, is there a perception of the player being LHF that is driving some reads and votes? And, the perception, accurate or not, about someone being LHF can also impact villager play as well

"Oh, I don't want to yeet so-and-so, they always get sussed and voted," being said by a villager, For example. This player could be factually not LHF, but the perception as one unfairly sussed and voted even if they don't die, is one that can have an effect as though they are in fact LHF when in fact they are not. But the result can be the same.

I am mostly talking about the perception and how it affects gameplay for my analysis.
 
Crayola227 said:
I find this theory about the wolf reads a little bit silly. I have never created a fake wolf reads list in that manner, like, ever. I go name by name, think about my agenda, who I want dead most, who I think I can yeet, who I can village read for village points, which of those I can backtrack on, threadstate, it's a whole calculus. Sure, you have to look over your fake leans to be sure you don't have too many or too few in each category, but you got to make sure the fake reads look OK from a logic standpoint primarily, has to pass a sniff test for believability first and foremost.
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Like I said, I don’t think it’s intentional.
Crayola227 said:
So to follow that up, I find it hard to believe a wolf would be like, "OK, I have to group these so they are identical sized and perfectly symmetrical!"

This must be why I tend to wolf read samac. I feel like she floats these ideas that at best, it might be right wolf wrong reason even if she's correct. I don't think what she floats as how she's going to find the wolf logically, to be very logical. But that's OK, she's a good player, she has good feelz.

I don't know, once upon a time when I was playing I had very strong gut feels, and I felt like my earlier play was sort of dominated by trying to explain those feels, because that's really needed to convince others and play this game, explaining things in terms others can see, so it's sort of this ad hoc reasoning that happens sometimes.

It's kind of like depressed patients. They are sometimes depressed first and foremost, and that feeling has them searching for explanations, and then they identify things, like well gee my wife didn't take out the trash last night. The feeling is valid, but the explanation doesn't really seem to account for the feeling. Doesn't mean the feeling isn't real just because in truth, your wife not taking out the trash doesn't really account for the depression.

So I'm trying not to see what I see as flimsy rationales (usually a wolf sign) as wolfy from samac. I do know for a fact that Village Samac does this and it drives me nuts and makes me incorrectly read her.

But like, if anyone thinks this is a wolf samac thing, please correct me.
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So you’re calling me out for flimsy rationales, which I’ll admit a lot of my wolf reads start that way.
But I have a question for you, when was the last time you spearheaded a wolf takedown?
I’ve done it a fair number of times. They usually start on something flimsy.
Crayola227 said:
I totally get that, and I did say that any wolf is likely to think about numbers here. But can anyone say that they do long division of the roster before creating a reads list?

"Oh, let's see, there's 9 players, divide that by 3 categories wolf village neutral, that equals 3. Golly, that sucks, because I was thinking I'd have 2 neutral reads and 4 wolf ones if I was playing organically! Guess I'll have to move a read to create perfect symmetry!!"

If anyone wants to come forward and say this is their wolf process, then I'll stand corrected.
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Subconscious.
Animal Midwife said:
The point samac was making was saying it could be AI because villagers typically don't care about symmetry in all categories.
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Thank you
Crayola227 said:
But why would a wolf want to be perfectly symmetrical when perfect symmetry looks like artificial construction?
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Subconscious
Truenamer said:
She's saying that a wolf would subconsciously do it, not that they're doing it on purpose.

I think the idea is that when the groupings are fabricated, they're more likely to follow an inorganic construction. I don't know if I agree, because when I wolf I tend to put a lot of consideration into reads lists before I post them.
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Thank you
zuriburi said:
Sorry in advance for the mega post, just wanted to lay out my case against true in full. It starts with this joke. Yeah I get it’s a joke, but it feels more like the kind of joke you’d make as a wolf to throw some chaos into the mix than a village joking at the idea of being a wolf.

so this is still very early and he’s following up on my initial post but without any rationale...

And then here he claims to have missed my vote? But I think I was the only one on zenge at this point and I get I hadn’t learned to vote as clearly yet but it seems unlikely that you’d missi it when there was one page to read. Anyway, shrugs it off and moves on to solid egg puns. That’s not wolfy, I think it’s actually pretty well eggxecuted. (though Actually now that I’m hear thinking about eggs, the thing that initially made me vote zenge was responding to his good eggs comment which I misinterpreted as a wolf pocketing, but it seems like if true missed my vote eggs might be less on his mind.)

This is one of a long line of true holding onto the zenge vote without ever giving a real reason.

There’s a bunch of quotes here that are all just kinda random and I don’t know just scrambling a bunch of quotes together without making a case about any one of them feels like something you’d do if you were trying to put in the work to look like a villager without actually wolf hunting.





at this point it seems like true is just stalling for time holding onto the reaction test while enduring hard-boiled pressure from DubZ, which I think ultimately led true to crack and nk DubZ while trying to cover for it with some nighttime banter.


this strikes me as a feggned ignorance of the number of wolves… it doesn’t seem like a high priority to figure out and the extra effort here in calculating the proportion feels over easy analysis of this detail for d1.


to be fair and include the sunny side up along with my suspicions this struck me as a pretty normal joke, uneggceptional.

yolking himself to any leggitimate suspicion of zenge to reinforce the misyeet




lots of hemming and hawing claiming to hold onto the zegge vote with lots of reluctance. Giving all the reasons to not follow through without ever considering a substitute. Also gives Cray a pass here who remains one of my top wolf reads.


after vote close, true immediately flips and sizzles about how sad he is that zenge is dead now before the reveal even happens. almost like he knew… seems a bit fried.



Tires to cover for a DubZ nk but dubz messes around which I think leads to it going bad.


trying to figure out a new misyeet target. with my cray pack theory I think it makes sense to include at least one pack are as your building your sus list when you’re picking out of the dozen.

of course, you’d want to up your strategy and vibe if you wolf back to back. Staying the same is the easiest way to get poached.

This just feels over done.

Ready to crack open the next viable misyeet.

letting am hash out another possible misyeet to jump on.


I appreciate all of true’s kindness and jokes so I feel bad about laying all this out, but in retrospect I think some of this encouragement are just attempts to pocket me and he’s actually a Benedict Arnold.
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You know what
I love this post, whether you’re right about true or not
And I don’t think you should be the yeet today.

zuriburi said:
when you flip wolf I’ll be disappointed in you for earning my trust once upon a time
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Sass. I like it.

Edited because the I love this was in a wrong spot. It’s zuris.
 
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I don’t think I’m going to change my mind if O2 today, and I would like to keep Zuri around.

Though cray if you’re going to talk about LHF Visc is pretty consistent misyeet bait
 
samac said:
I don’t think I’m going to change my mind if O2 today, and I would like to keep Zuri around.

Though cray if you’re going to talk about LHF Visc is pretty consistent misyeet bait
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Yeah, fully agree Vis is the only wagon on the board today that's close to the requirements of lhf.
 
samac said:
Like I said, I don’t think it’s intentional.

So you’re calling me out for flimsy rationales, which I’ll admit a lot of my wolf reads start that way.
But I have a question for you, when was the last time you spearheaded a wolf takedown?
I’ve done it a fair number of times. They usually start on something flimsy.
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OK, well, and I could see it being a noob wolf move, because I think others of us are saying as wolves we look over the number portion of our lists to make sure they don't look artificial with numbers. Thinking about numbers consciously is what many wolves do to avoid this subconscious thing you're describing. It's that easy to guard against that tell which is why I find it as a tell not terribly good, and I don't see it helping distinguish wolf from villager, which any good tell needs to do to be a good tell. But I am trying to see what you're saying.

As far as your take down comment, if me telling Midwife I'm glad she isn't upset is veering towards personal attack, then I'm not going to feel bad saying that your comment really truly hurt my feelings.

I'm not as ****ty at this game as you people seem to think. But what I am is basically unwilling to play anymore today.

Good luck with the yeets. Have fun taking down the wolves yourselves.
 
samac said:
I don’t think I’m going to change my mind if O2 today, and I would like to keep Zuri around.

Though cray if you’re going to talk about LHF Visc is pretty consistent misyeet bait
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Yeah, I had her on the list for that reason, the ones I listed as under sus and need to be evaluated closely.
 
Crayola227 said:
OK, well, and I could see it being a noob wolf move, because I think others of us are saying as wolves we look over the number portion of our lists to make sure they don't look artificial with numbers. Thinking about numbers consciously is what many wolves do to avoid this subconscious thing you're describing. It's that easy to guard against that tell which is why I find it as a tell not terribly good, and I don't see it helping distinguish wolf from villager, which any good tell needs to do to be a good tell. But I am trying to see what you're saying.

As far as your take down comment, if me telling Midwife I'm glad she isn't upset is veering towards personal attack, then I'm not going to feel bad saying that your comment really truly hurt my feelings.

I'm not as ****ty at this game as you people seem to think. But what I am is basically unwilling to play anymore today.

Good luck with the yeets. Have fun taking down the wolves yourselves.
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I didn’t mean it as a personal attack, I apologize. I think it got frustrated that you were saying the way I do things is flimsy and consistently wolfy.
 
### unyeet Visc ####

#### yeet Cray ####

I don't really want to be part of the game today right now. I might change my mind. I'm aware this is anti-village and usually I can put aside my personal feelings for the team but I can't today. I don't want a sub. I don't want mod killed. So my vote has to be somewhere. This is where it goes to sulk I guess.

I don't think in a world where a blocc requires I blocc with Samac and AM is a world where I can actually play WW anymore. I tried, I really did. But I can't.

If you guys are wolfing, good job, really. Because I think emotional manipulation if that is what this is, is totally fair to win. But if you guys are village like I think, then yeah, I don't think I can play anymore at all. As in ever.
 
justafluff said:
If WO2 is village I think I might start rethinking True (sorry 🙁 )
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I understand, but I feel like my ISO made me feel worse about him, not better.

Do you have a strong argument for why I should be voting for someone else?
 
samac said:
I didn’t mean it as a personal attack, I apologize. I think it got frustrated that you were saying the way I do things is flimsy and consistently wolfy.
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Sorry I don't mean it that way. I meant I read it as wolfy because I often don't agree. But I said your feels and so therefore your leads (the things that ping you) are good, because it leads you to wolves. So I need to try to see the merit in what you're saying and go from there, rather than rejecting it because it doesn't fit into my thought process. And I'm just sharing what an experienced wolf would do to avoid the bias, but that wouldn't make you wrong, especially since we are talking about someone inexperienced. So effectively your tell could be a tell and valid. But just pointing out, there would be limitations to when it would be true. Like a villager could do it, or an experienced wolf looks for that to lake sure the read list doesn't look too perfect. But you do acknowledge that in saying why for example you would be able to look at another list with symmetry (your example of mine) and not mistake it for wolfing applying the principle.

I'm sorry I do get into these finer points.

But also I thought fluff had done this and I lost the plot that it was WO.
 
I can't help more than I've tried. AM and Samac, decide where you want to vote and I'll vote there. If you guys are wolfing then expect I will never trust you ever again. But for once I want to trust my read (you're village) over letting the paranoia and stupid feels get in my way.

Feels - emotions
Feelz - refers to the special WW kind of tingles, often AI
 
Crayola227 said:
I can't help more than I've tried. AM and Samac, decide where you want to vote and I'll vote there. If you guys are wolfing then expect I will never trust you ever again. But for once I want to trust my read (you're village) over letting the paranoia and stupid feels get in my way.

Feels - emotions
Feelz - refers to the special WW kind of tingles, often AI
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Hey Cray, I just wanna say this outside of this game so pls don't see this as pocketing, but I enjoy your posts, and I really hope you keep playing.
 
justafluff said:
Zuri voted for vis earlier though
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That a good point, I'd overlooked that. I don't think either Zuri or Vis have any firm personal rules about voting for pack members, but it does feel a little early for that kind of shade.
 
justafluff said:
Zuri voted for vis earlier though
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I’m starting to think zuri isn’t a wolf
But depending on who a vet may be in a pack I wouldnt put bussing behind noobs.
Like for example if Visc or Genny or cray were in the pack and the thread was dancing around multiple pack members they’d encourage it.
 
Truenamer said:
That a good point, I'd overlooked that. I don't think either Zuri or Vis have any firm personal rules about voting for pack members, but it does feel a little early for that kind of shade.
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Vis is absolutely 100% not antibussing
 
Day 2: Leap Before You Think Tally

zuri (1)-- genny
Cray ()
Visc (3) - AM, Cray, Sporty
WO2 (3)- samac, fluff, True
fluff (1) - Visc
True (2) - WO2, zuri

10/10

Missing: n/a
Leading: @Viscernable & @WorthlessOxygen

Vote closes TODAY at 9 p.m. CST (~4 hours)

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potentialsheltervet said:
Day 2: Leap Before You Think Tally

zuri (1)-- genny
Cray ()
Visc (3) - AM, Cray, Sporty
WO2 (3)- samac, fluff, True
fluff (1) - Visc
True (2) - WO2, zuri

10/10

Missing: n/a
Leading: @Viscernable & @WorthlessOxygen

Vote closes TODAY at 9 p.m. CST (~4 hours)

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This is fun tho cause it’s still a tie if you look closely
 
I guess I can try this for now, but it does make me nervous that I won't be able to talk to you around close.

Unyeet Vis
Yeet Oxy
 
Day 2: Leap Before You Think Tally

zuri ()
Cray ()
Visc (1) - Sporty
WO2 (4)- samac, fluff, True, AM
fluff (1) - Visc
True (3) - WO2, zuri, genny

9/10

Missing: @Crayola227
Leading: @WorthlessOxygen

Vote closes TODAY at 9 p.m. CST (~4 hours)

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Animal Midwife said:
I guess I can try this for now, but it does make me nervous that I won't be able to talk to you around close.

Unyeet Vis
Yeet Oxy
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I will also do my best to be around at least in the 20 minutes before close, unless something is going down in the hospital I should be able to manage that.
 
potentialsheltervet said:
I believe there's several vets here. After all, it's the physicians and pharmacists in this thread that are the invaders.
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Oh god, if they're the invaders what the heck does that make me

Closest I've gotten to biology is Orgo Chem 2

Edit- oh, I remembered a polymer processing for drug delivery project that I worked on. That's gotta count 😌
 
Truenamer said:
Oh god, if they're the invaders what the heck does that make me

Closest I've gotten to biology is Orgo Chem 2

Edit- oh, I remembered a polymer processing for drug delivery project that I worked on. That's gotta count 😌
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We're the auxiliary Ws that sometimes slip into game titles.
 
justafluff said:
Hey Cray, I just wanna say this outside of this game so pls don't see this as pocketing, but I enjoy your posts, and I really hope you keep playing.
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Thank you, sorry. I've been having a rough go at life lately with hormones and work related stuff.
 
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