OMD! the solution to DO vs MD

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since some people seem to get caught up in the initials behind their name, i propose that osteopaths are granted an OMD degree instead of a DO degree. i mean DO's are Osteopathic Medical Doctors arent they? this would solve all our problems! no more threads about hiding DO on lab coats. no worrying that people will see the initials DO and think wtf is that. you can even leave the O uncapitalized so its oMD to make the MD more prominent.

ok enough daydreaming, i should finish my secondaries.
 
Can someone please hand me a gun?
 
OMD, is doctor of oriental medicine so that wont work,
stick with DO
 
markboonya said:
since some people seem to get caught up in the initials behind their name, i propose that osteopaths are granted an OMD degree instead of a DO degree. i mean DO's are Osteopathic Medical Doctors arent they? this would solve all our problems! no more threads about hiding DO on lab coats. no worrying that people will see the initials DO and think wtf is that. you can even leave the O uncapitalized so its oMD to make the MD more prominent.

ok enough daydreaming, i should finish my secondaries.
OMD already exist, its a doctorate in Oriental medicine.
http://www.csomaonline.org/pages/licensing.html
 
markboonya said:
since some people seem to get caught up in the initials behind their name, i propose that osteopaths are granted an OMD degree instead of a DO degree. i mean DO's are Osteopathic Medical Doctors arent they? this would solve all our problems! no more threads about hiding DO on lab coats. no worrying that people will see the initials DO and think wtf is that. you can even leave the O uncapitalized so its oMD to make the MD more prominent.

ok enough daydreaming, i should finish my secondaries.

Then the same exact problems would exist, except it would be, "OMD vs MD".
 
There are dentistry schools awarding DMD. I think it's absurd. I am fine with the letters DO behind my name. 🙂
 
How about.... if you manage to pass any med school, you should be proud of yourself because (1) you are a doctor regardless, and (2) let's face it: MD or DO... you'll be making the same money for any given specialty... so who cares!?!?!

and here's a really good idea: SDN should have some computer nerd make a program that does not allow posts with "MD" and "DO" in the same subject line (or text body for that matter).
 
You know what'd be really cool? OMG.

Dr. Turkeyman, OMG!

It'd have an exclamation mark after it and everything. And when I say my title out loud, I'd be all like, "I'm Doctor Turkeyman, OH MY GOD." Yeap!

Yeap...
 
I'm gonna be a D.O.

YEEAAHHH
WOOHOO
YIPPEE

This is the future of medicine. I'm proud to be a part of it.
 
As someone who had the choice to go both MD and DO, I chose to do the DO route and I am proud of it. We're all doctors and the initials behind my name won't make a lick of difference. However, the type of person I am will make the difference between being a mediocre doctor and a good one.

Remember that last statement, it will be useful to you in crafting your personal statement 😉


Much love,
-Richie
 
Dr. Hoberto, OMG!!

I think this is pretty much what I've been saying lately anyway. 😉

More like, OMG! Dr. Hoberto!
 
Dr SunnyJohn, OMG!

I luv it....

Does Harvard, TCOM, Mayo or Kirksville offer the OMG???

😍 :meanie:
 
FutureDocDO said:
There are dentistry schools awarding DMD. I think it's absurd. I am fine with the letters DO behind my name. 🙂

I believe the DMD was originally awarder by Harvard b/c all their degrees are in latin and DDS did not translate over. I use this DDS/DMD analogy to explain the basic concept of MD vs DO. It works too b/c most people have know idea what degree their dentist have. Some even think that Dentistry, Podiatry, and Optometry are specialties of an MD.

Last year the post was MD-O this year it is OMD. What's next?

The solution to the DO vs MD thing is to stay away from SDN. I never thought it was an issue until I started visiting this sight.
 
raptor5 said:
I believe the DMD was originally awarder by Harvard b/c all their degrees are in latin and DDS did not translate over. I use this DDS/DMD analogy to explain the basic concept of MD vs DO. It works too b/c most people have know idea what degree their dentist have. Some even think that Dentistry, Podiatry, and Optometry are specialties of an MD.

Last year the post was MD-O this year it is OMD. What's next?

The solution to the DO vs MD thing is to stay away from SDN. I never thought it was an issue until I started visiting this sight.


It doesn't matter once you enter school!!
I'm a physical therapist....heres my allied health professional background for you....When a DO or MD writes me an order - I follow it and say yes sir or ma'am <Period>.

Don't waste your time worrying about your initials when your title is a PHYSICIAN! I wouldn't even call myself a doctor in the future....I'm 8 credits away from a Doctorate in Physical Therapy.....my friend is a PharmD....another buddy is a chiropractor (D.C). Doctor is just a level of education.....PHYSICIAN!!!! PHYSICIAN!!!!! PHYSICIAN!!! is much better....no need to separate yourselves from other PHYSICIANS.

Ok - now where the hell are my acceptance letters....getting antsy here. Many applications, 1 interview so far!!!
 
markboonya said:
since some people seem to get caught up in the initials behind their name, i propose that osteopaths are granted an OMD degree instead of a DO degree. i mean DO's are Osteopathic Medical Doctors arent they? this would solve all our problems! no more threads about hiding DO on lab coats. no worrying that people will see the initials DO and think wtf is that. you can even leave the O uncapitalized so its oMD to make the MD more prominent.

ok enough daydreaming, i should finish my secondaries.

The only DO vs. MD thing is between premeds and select medical students on SDN. Upon graduation, noone cares what your degree is.

Why change the name of the degree to make premeds feel more secure about themselves?

👎

And yes, OMD is already taken.
 
both the initials D.O. and M.D. have the same WOW factor for me.
 
Amy B said:
That is funny.... Dr Amy B, OMG :laugh:

It's Dr. Amy, OMG!

The exclamation point is the most important part, I think.

From Dr. Hoberto, OMG!
 
Oh no... you are right. I can't believe I left off the exclaimation point. It is funny considering about 4 years ago people pointed out to me that I LOVE to use exclaimation points. They said I was addicted to them. So I am sorry to say that your post has brought me face to face with my old addiction and I feel the need to use lots of !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Signed,
Dr. Amy B, OMG!!!!!!!!!! 😀
 
Well whether DO or MD, you are both medical doctors. So in reality everyone should be able to put MD. Possibly they could change both, MDO and MDA (medical doctor osteopathic, medical doctor allopathic), that would eliminate the stigma because then MD's would have to explain why they were MDA's and what allopathy meant. That would be hilarious!! :laugh:
 
And we now confer the degree of Doctor of OMG! to Dorkus Maximus. :hardy:

Dr. Dorkus Maximus, OMG!

I love it! 😍

P.S. That would be hilarious, goinverted. :laugh:
 
Yeah, what the heck does allopathy mean??
 
raptor5 said:
I believe the DMD was originally awarder by Harvard b/c all their degrees are in latin and DDS did not translate over. I use this DDS/DMD analogy to explain the basic concept of MD vs DO. It works too b/c most people have know idea what degree their dentist have. Some even think that Dentistry, Podiatry, and Optometry are specialties of an MD.

Last year the post was MD-O this year it is OMD. What's next?

The solution to the DO vs MD thing is to stay away from SDN. I never thought it was an issue until I started visiting this sight.

I remember being asked this question when taking a histology class with our DO counterparts at Nova. In response to their question of "what is the difference between DMD and DDS?" I said, "absolutely nothing... they are the same" He responded the same "Oh, it's like DO and MD!"

I also responded, "No, actually, DDS and DMD dental schools teach identical curricula, whereas DO and MD teach similar, yet, distinct philosophies in teaching. DMD/DDS is not equivalent to MD/DO."

You ask me now if I am trying to sneer at the DO's... absolutely not! MD and DO are both distinct degrees and philosophies regarding medical treatment (ideally... now I know many MDs practice holistic and many DOs practice allopathic). DMD and DDS, however, are only distinct in which schools historically award these degrees... other than that, there are no practice philosophies that are distinct (a filling is a filling, a crown is a crown).

I think it's an inappropriate direction for DO to go in (DO is the same as MD). I suppose it's a little misleading to purport MD and DO are identical because I know that many prefer to see an osteopath, and enjoy the distinct philosophy.

-Mike
 
goinverted said:
Well whether DO or MD, you are both medical doctors. So in reality everyone should be able to put MD. Possibly they could change both, MDO and MDA (medical doctor osteopathic, medical doctor allopathic), that would eliminate the stigma because then MD's would have to explain why they were MDA's and what allopathy meant. That would be hilarious!! :laugh:

No, that would just change the debate to MDA vs. MDO. Snobby MDA's would still claim to be better than MDO's and certain MDO's that like to sterotype MDA's would still claim that MDA's just want to fill their patients with drugs. PD's of MDA residencies would still often discriminate against MDO's and MDA's wouldn't be allowed to apply for MDO residencies. It's in people's attitude, not the letters in the degree.
 
Darth Asclepius said:
No, that would just change the debate to MDA vs. MDO. Snobby MDA's would still claim to be better than MDO's and certain MDO's that like to sterotype MDA's would still claim that MDA's just want to fill their patients with drugs. PD's of MDA residencies would still often discriminate against MDO's and MDA's wouldn't be allowed to apply for MDO residencies. It's in people's attitude, not the letters in the degree.

Don't forget about snobby MDOs there are plenty of them also since its a fact that they are snobby people regardless of their degree.

Dr. Nate, OMG!
 
Nate said:
Don't forget about snobby MDOs there are plenty of them also since its a fact that they are snobby people regardless of their degree.

Dr. Nate, OMG!

No doubt. I used to run a pre-med organization when I was an undergrad and I invited several students from the local DO school to speak to us and educate us about osteopathic medicine (keeping in mind this was largely a pre-MD crowd and many hadn't heard of DO before). One of the students kept saying how DO's were so much better because MD's never lay their hands on their patients (not true, although they aren't trained in OMM, that wasn't what she meant. She was speaking specifically about the positive effects of just touching a patient, which MD's have been known to do on occasion 😀 ) and are quick to just write a prescription and get the patients out the door without addressing the cause of the problem (true of some, but that's the description of a crappy doctor, not an MD).

There are snobby/ignorant people everywhere. Hopefully we can all help to change the way MDs and DOs view each other. It makes me sad when I hear pre-meds or med students on the MD path talk about DOs like they are inferior. I try to educate them, but it doesn't always sink in. A lot of MD students are concerned about DO's/IMG's "stealing" their spot in a residency. As an MD student I have to say that if a DO/IMG gets "my spot" in a residency, he/she probably worked a hell of a lot harder for it and deserves it. They probably rocked the boards, had awesome LOR's, and excellent grades (given that many programs have higher cutoffs for giving DOs and IMGs interviews, it stands to reason that most DOs and IMGs that get slots in competitive MD residencies are extremely well qualified).
 
I've been following this thread, and thought that I would chime in! Before I do however, I feel that I should make a few disclosures:
1. I am a fourth year M.D. med. student who is currently applying for a psychiatry residency.
2. I chose M.D. over D.O. for a very pragmatic reason. Primarily, I must admit, I chose M.D. because, as an in-state student, my tuition is very affordable--especially when compared to what I would have had to pay as an out-of-state student at the D.O. schools to which I applied (Tulsa and Kansas City).

That having been disclosed, let me assure you that there will always be people with small minds in any profession--even medicine! I have friends who have failed their USMLEs and, inevitably, have to deal with their own limitations (i.e. they're not so perfect, after all). I always remind them that, at the end of it all, they "...will still be a DOCTOR! No need to justify yourself to ANYONE." The same is true for DOs. You're going to be doctors. Screw anyone who questions you're letters--you'll never get the approval of such insecure people!

Now to my point: DOs and MDs are equal in the eyes of the law! Medical professionals are aware of that fact. Yes, there are a@#hole MDs--I know many. However, most MDs are good people, and they could care less if their co-workers are MD, DO, IMG, FMG or anything else. They want co-workers who work hard, love their job, and are collegial. Therefore, I applaud your choice of DO and wish all of you the same success that I wish my MD peers.
If I ever work with any of you, I hope that you will see me as a good physician, and not just as another arrogant MD pr@ck in a white coat.

Best wishes,
mosche
 
goinverted said:
Well whether DO or MD, you are both medical doctors. So in reality everyone should be able to put MD. Possibly they could change both, MDO and MDA (medical doctor osteopathic, medical doctor allopathic), that would eliminate the stigma because then MD's would have to explain why they were MDA's and what allopathy meant. That would be hilarious!! :laugh:

This only "stigma" is among premedical students.
 
mosche said:
I've been following this thread, and thought that I would chime in! Before I do however, I feel that I should make a few disclosures:
1. I am a fourth year M.D. med. student who is currently applying for a psychiatry residency.
2. I chose M.D. over D.O. for a very pragmatic reason. Primarily, I must admit, I chose M.D. because, as an in-state student, my tuition is very affordable--especially when compared to what I would have had to pay as an out-of-state student at the D.O. schools to which I applied (Tulsa and Kansas City).

That having been disclosed, let me assure you that there will always be people with small minds in any profession--even medicine! I have friends who have failed their USMLEs and, inevitably, have to deal with their own limitations (i.e. they're not so perfect, after all). I always remind them that, at the end of it all, they "...will still be a DOCTOR! No need to justify yourself to ANYONE." The same is true for DOs. You're going to be doctors. Screw anyone who questions you're letters--you'll never get the approval of such insecure people!

Now to my point: DOs and MDs are equal in the eyes of the law! Medical professionals are aware of that fact. Yes, there are a@#hole MDs--I know many. However, most MDs are good people, and they could care less if their co-workers are MD, DO, IMG, FMG or anything else. They want co-workers who work hard, love their job, and are collegial. Therefore, I applaud your choice of DO and wish all of you the same success that I wish my MD peers.
If I ever work with any of you, I hope that you will see me as a good physician, and not just as another arrogant MD pr@ck in a white coat.

Best wishes,
mosche

Well stated, mosche. 😀 I hope to work with people like you! A great doctor is a great doctor regardless of "their letters." Thanks for the great post.
 
OSUdoc08 said:
This only "stigma" is among premedical students.
I agree that most of the stigma against DO's will come from pre-meds, not from the medical community itself (ie nurses, PAs etc) but then again these pre-meds will become future MD's. Hopefully by then they wont discriminate but its hard to break old habits.

From threads about DOs on the pre-allo forum, it seems that the pre-allos are pretty open minded so hopefully we will work together in harmony. awww.
 
markboonya said:
I agree that most of the stigma against DO's will come from pre-meds, not from the medical community itself (ie nurses, PAs etc) but then again these pre-meds will become future MD's. Hopefully by then they wont discriminate but its hard to break old habits.

From threads about DOs on the pre-allo forum, it seems that the pre-allos are pretty open minded so hopefully we will work together in harmony. awww.

When a DO is their attending, then they will get over their problem quickly.
 
OSUdoc08 said:
This only "stigma" is among premedical students.

So well said. While philosophical differences may be found between practitioners, the clinical truth boils down to a statement of professional responsibility. I don't mean to minimize the intellectual debate surrounding the granting of degrees, its just that this problem is reduced to irrelevance in the clinical setting. There really isn't a great deal of divergent perspectives when it comes to writing prescriptions, signing charts, filling out death certificates, and effecting a trauma resuscitation. Oh wait--- last month when I was in shock trauma, I did comment about how my gunshot victim's cervical vertebrae were held, frozen in flexion.

Much love,

Push
 
pushinepi2 said:
So well said. While philosophical differences may be found between practitioners, the clinical truth boils down to a statement of professional responsibility. I don't mean to minimize the intellectual debate surrounding the granting of degrees, its just that this problem is reduced to irrelevance in the clinical setting. There really isn't a great deal of divergent perspectives when it comes to writing prescriptions, signing charts, filling out death certificates, and effecting a trauma resuscitation. Oh wait--- last month when I was in shock trauma, I did comment about how my gunshot victim's cervical vertebrae were held, frozen in flexion.

Much love,

Push


OSUdoc08 said:
When a DO is their attending, then they will get over their problem quickly.

CAN I GET AN AMEN!!!
 
get in school. you will be so busy with becoming a doctor that the initials will be the least of your worry, and of anyone else.

doctors dont care, and they will be your peers - do or md

lay-persons wont care, you write scripts, do surgery, and get paid the same do or md... it doesnt matter

who cares!?!?!?
 
cooldreams said:
get in school. you will be so busy with becoming a doctor that the initials will be the least of your worry, and of anyone else.

doctors dont care, and they will be your peers - do or md

lay-persons wont care, you write scripts, do surgery, and get paid the same do or md... it doesnt matter

who cares!?!?!?

Amen. Your patients won't care if you are an MD or DO, just whether you're a competent and caring physician.

You don't need the right initials behind your name to be respected by fellow physicians. They will be able to tell if you are competent or not by working with you.
 
Richie Truxillo said:
As someone who had the choice to go both MD and DO, I chose to do the DO route and I am proud of it. We're all doctors and the initials behind my name won't make a lick of difference.
I'm here from the dental forums, and I'm a little confused. Is a D.O. a real doctor? Can they perscribe medications and stuff?
 
SuperTrooper said:
I'm here from the dental forums, and I'm a little confused. Is a D.O. a real doctor? Can they perscribe medications and stuff?

I don't understand what you are saying.

perscribe????
stuff????

lamer trolls are reported...

😴
 
SuperTrooper said:
I'm here from the dental forums, and I'm a little confused. Is a D.O. a real doctor? Can they perscribe medications and stuff?

Tollin' for sea urchins in the great blue lagoon are we?
 
cooldreams said:
I don't understand what you are saying.

perscribe????
stuff????

lamer trolls are reported...

😴

Well soooorrrryyy!!! Not everybody knows about DOs. I've never heard of this degree before. I can see why DOs have such a bad reputation - how rude!?
 
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