Does anyone have any information that they're willing to share about West Virginia University OMFS Program...regarding scope, residents, attendings, call schedule, presence at the medical center etc....
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For anyone who went the the Thomas Jefferson University Interview....
Is there some truth to the posts in the link above?
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does anyone know anything about Nova's OMFS program? I saw that they do not offer an externship. Does anyone know who to contact if I'd like to visit their program. thanks
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Wow, very well said and great response! And that is for all externs who do only 2-4 week rotations and don't have any #$@%^-ing idea of all the work an OMFS resident has to do!
Does anyone know anything about the MCW OMFS Residency?
Hey i was just wondering if you found out about getting the MD after your residency?
I am actually not in Dental School yet, but i plan on going through the Army's scholarship program. Then i want to do a residency in OMS, but would also like to get an MD. I dont think the Army offers that residency though and so i want to know if i can get a "Accelerated" MD through any schools after i do my OMS residency and serve for the Army for another 4 years.
I am actually not in Dental School yet, but i plan on going through the Army's scholarship program. Then i want to do a residency in OMS, but would also like to get an MD. I dont think the Army offers that residency though and so i want to know if i can get a "Accelerated" MD through any schools after i do my OMS residency and serve for the Army for another 4 years.
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now that everyone has matched (or not, sorry guys)....can we continue with the program overviews?
I'm especially curious about University of Indiana, Vanderbilt, and Cincinnati.
Thanks fellas and fellettes
I'm especially curious about University of Indiana, Vanderbilt, and Cincinnati.
Thanks fellas and fellettes
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So let me tell you about Banner. So much is unknown because they just started.
Program Name: Banner OMFS http://banneromfsresidency.com/
Program City: Phoenix, Glendale, Arizona
Length: 48mos (potential for back end MD,future integrated, chat with them if you want that)
Residents: 2 per year. 2010 is their first start year.
Program Director and Facts About Them: Dr. Burrow - Presented himself as being in private practice his whole career and had the opportunity to pursue this career in academics and went for it.
Department Head and Facts: ''
Other Faculty and Facts: I don't remember their names, but as people, they are awesome. They are mostly young attendings. They are coming from Vandy, Christiana Care, and someplace in the midwest I think.
Describe the city(ies): Per everyone there, Phoenix is a very livable city. Traffic isn't too bad and weather is great sans May-Aug. Glendale is about 30 min away from Banner and is up and coming. I don't remember where the VA was. There will be some traveling.
Describe the Program in One Sentence: Fantastic Potential with Great People. I believe it will be very sought after.
Describe the facilities (hospital, dental school, med school, etc.): Banner hospital is a great hospital, on the small size physically but it seemed busy. It's nice. The OMFS has no competition really and the GS department is working hand in hand with Dr. Burrow to make his program move forward.
Midwestern is the dental shool. This is going to be great private practice experience apparently. The OMFS clinic is being built to order. I believe they are starting ortho also so you'll get that exposure eventually. That place is for profit so I would expect the implants and 3rds numbers to be high. The campus is very nice and lots of money has been spent to attract students to pay insane tuition. Dental, DO, Chiro maybe, nursing stuff, etc.
VA - Normal VA exposure. Nice facility. Nice people. They said the staff isn't the 'usual lazy gov't workers' so that promises to be a enjoyable time. A couple other GPR residents I think were there...
Med School - If the option goes through, it's via University of Arizona and will be MD, not DO via Midwestern. Based out of Phoenix, not the Tucson main campus.
Describe the opportunities in the following areas of OMFS:
Anesthesia - Unknown. It's expected to be normal 4mo. They will be providing opportunities for sedation experience. The dental school will provide opportunities as well.
Implants - Unknown, likely at midwestern and VA for the first few years due to lack of dedicated Banner clinic at the moment
TMJ - Dr Burrow's thing...so should be adequate
Ablative Cancer - ENT rotation only
Cancer/Trauma Reconstruction - Trauma recon only
Facial Cosmetics - Not a goal at this time. There are some Phx OMFS though that do cosmetics only and I'd expect them to be a potential opportunity
Orthognathics - All the attendings do this in their private practice and will likely capture most of the phx gnathic market due to cost.
Dentoalveolar - Should be good
Trauma - Felt like it was going to be strong and building. One of the few providers in the area and now that residents are there, it should build.
Craniofacial - Not a goal
Didactics - Normal conf, sedation lectures, path time, etc
Describe the call schedule: It was unknown but for a few years I imagine the attendings will still be involved with Primary and Secondary call while the service builds up.
Stipend: Wasn't given to us...but I would expect $45k or so and that'll go well for Phoenix.
Describe the rotations (gen surg, neuro, anesth, ENT, PRS, etc.)
This is unknown at this time. They had a schedule and it's normal stuff. Everything is approved and setup. I think the services will be hesitent at first to have 'the dentists' on board. The GS time is going to be awesome. The attending interviewed us and he was great. He looked at us as one of his own and promises it'll be a tough X months. They also have a ton of GS simulation stations. One of them is a Wii!! And they do alot of research because of it.
Describe the Patient Base: Likey a lot of hispanic due to location. That's all I can guess... Normal patients....
Describe interaction between faculty and residents: Unknown, the attendings are genuinely good people. That was obvious. I expect statements like "we have journal club at faculty house, we going skiing, my kids know his kids" types of things.
How important do you feel the OMFS department is to the hospital? Do they contribute and are they respected?
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What do most of the residents do after graduation? (Private practice, academics, hybrid, etc.)
With their planned scope and personalities, I would think they would chose applicants and personalities that will end up in private practice. But so much is unknown. If you want to be a traditional OMFS I would have no reservations in going here. If for some reason you think you want to be the next TMJ, Orthognathic, Trauma, etc guy the unknowns on their case load may steer you away.
Other notes: While they build up their department, applicants who have an intern year will have huge advantage. Their first 2, one is an intern, the other is just a great guy. See if they'll take an extern. The program will have growing pains no doubt and the attendings don't have alot of academic experience. But the heart is there, and they were great people and you can tell they have financial and emotional support from Banner. We met the Banner CEO, other department heads, etc and they were all happy to have the new department on board. It'll be awesome place.
So much is unknown but the goals of the department are clear. They want to be known as hard working departent that gets stuff done. They want honest, hard working residents, and I think humble applicants will be sucessful there.
Program Name: Banner OMFS http://banneromfsresidency.com/
Program City: Phoenix, Glendale, Arizona
Length: 48mos (potential for back end MD,future integrated, chat with them if you want that)
Residents: 2 per year. 2010 is their first start year.
Program Director and Facts About Them: Dr. Burrow - Presented himself as being in private practice his whole career and had the opportunity to pursue this career in academics and went for it.
Department Head and Facts: ''
Other Faculty and Facts: I don't remember their names, but as people, they are awesome. They are mostly young attendings. They are coming from Vandy, Christiana Care, and someplace in the midwest I think.
Describe the city(ies): Per everyone there, Phoenix is a very livable city. Traffic isn't too bad and weather is great sans May-Aug. Glendale is about 30 min away from Banner and is up and coming. I don't remember where the VA was. There will be some traveling.
Describe the Program in One Sentence: Fantastic Potential with Great People. I believe it will be very sought after.
Describe the facilities (hospital, dental school, med school, etc.): Banner hospital is a great hospital, on the small size physically but it seemed busy. It's nice. The OMFS has no competition really and the GS department is working hand in hand with Dr. Burrow to make his program move forward.
Midwestern is the dental shool. This is going to be great private practice experience apparently. The OMFS clinic is being built to order. I believe they are starting ortho also so you'll get that exposure eventually. That place is for profit so I would expect the implants and 3rds numbers to be high. The campus is very nice and lots of money has been spent to attract students to pay insane tuition. Dental, DO, Chiro maybe, nursing stuff, etc.
VA - Normal VA exposure. Nice facility. Nice people. They said the staff isn't the 'usual lazy gov't workers' so that promises to be a enjoyable time. A couple other GPR residents I think were there...
Med School - If the option goes through, it's via University of Arizona and will be MD, not DO via Midwestern. Based out of Phoenix, not the Tucson main campus.
Describe the opportunities in the following areas of OMFS:
Anesthesia - Unknown. It's expected to be normal 4mo. They will be providing opportunities for sedation experience. The dental school will provide opportunities as well.
Implants - Unknown, likely at midwestern and VA for the first few years due to lack of dedicated Banner clinic at the moment
TMJ - Dr Burrow's thing...so should be adequate
Ablative Cancer - ENT rotation only
Cancer/Trauma Reconstruction - Trauma recon only
Facial Cosmetics - Not a goal at this time. There are some Phx OMFS though that do cosmetics only and I'd expect them to be a potential opportunity
Orthognathics - All the attendings do this in their private practice and will likely capture most of the phx gnathic market due to cost.
Dentoalveolar - Should be good
Trauma - Felt like it was going to be strong and building. One of the few providers in the area and now that residents are there, it should build.
Craniofacial - Not a goal
Didactics - Normal conf, sedation lectures, path time, etc
Describe the call schedule: It was unknown but for a few years I imagine the attendings will still be involved with Primary and Secondary call while the service builds up.
Stipend: Wasn't given to us...but I would expect $45k or so and that'll go well for Phoenix.
Describe the rotations (gen surg, neuro, anesth, ENT, PRS, etc.)
This is unknown at this time. They had a schedule and it's normal stuff. Everything is approved and setup. I think the services will be hesitent at first to have 'the dentists' on board. The GS time is going to be awesome. The attending interviewed us and he was great. He looked at us as one of his own and promises it'll be a tough X months. They also have a ton of GS simulation stations. One of them is a Wii!! And they do alot of research because of it.
Describe the Patient Base: Likey a lot of hispanic due to location. That's all I can guess... Normal patients....
Describe interaction between faculty and residents: Unknown, the attendings are genuinely good people. That was obvious. I expect statements like "we have journal club at faculty house, we going skiing, my kids know his kids" types of things.
How important do you feel the OMFS department is to the hospital? Do they contribute and are they respected?
Unknown
What do most of the residents do after graduation? (Private practice, academics, hybrid, etc.)
With their planned scope and personalities, I would think they would chose applicants and personalities that will end up in private practice. But so much is unknown. If you want to be a traditional OMFS I would have no reservations in going here. If for some reason you think you want to be the next TMJ, Orthognathic, Trauma, etc guy the unknowns on their case load may steer you away.
Other notes: While they build up their department, applicants who have an intern year will have huge advantage. Their first 2, one is an intern, the other is just a great guy. See if they'll take an extern. The program will have growing pains no doubt and the attendings don't have alot of academic experience. But the heart is there, and they were great people and you can tell they have financial and emotional support from Banner. We met the Banner CEO, other department heads, etc and they were all happy to have the new department on board. It'll be awesome place.
So much is unknown but the goals of the department are clear. They want to be known as hard working departent that gets stuff done. They want honest, hard working residents, and I think humble applicants will be sucessful there.
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I was one of the first applicants to the program as I met Dr. Buhrow at the Toronto AAOMS meeting. I just wanted to add some of me perspective to this already great post.
Overall it seemed like it would be a great program. If I was to reapply, this prgm would be on my list.
Overall it seemed like it would be a great program. If I was to reapply, this prgm would be on my list.
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I am so mad at myself. I typed up almost this exact post then it got lost when I tried to post this. So as you can see how late I stayed up typing this, forgive me if I have typos or don't make sense. Also, pardon my long post but I want to try to do these programs some justice and not do a few word description of a program. Let me preface this post by saying that I am not reviewing any programs that I didn't interview at as I don't want to tell you just rumors. I am only giving a brief program description of the eight interviews I went on. Two of the eight I also externed at. I feel like you are not really an expert of a program unless you went there so please consider the fact that I obviously haven't finished any of these programs. FYI-in house call means you are spending the night at the hospital and at home call means you are can sleep in your own bed but have to drive to the hospital as needed. Q2 call means you are on call every other day. Q3 means every 3rd day.
Loma Linda University-2 4 yr spots usually it just depends on how many 6 yr spots they have I think their total spots is 5. They had one interview day (Sunday) for the four years and the following sunday was for the 6 years. They interviewed only 9 people for the two 4 yr spots. Two interview panels with a mix of attendings and residents. Chill interview. About an hour east of LA and Orange County. Gets hot in summer, great in winter and cost of living not bad, around $900 or less for a one bedroom. They are getting a reputation as a hidden gem in the west coast. I feel like I would be a great oral surgeon if I went to this program. Lots of trauma, great orthognathic guy, good sedation clinics. I think there are surgeries going on every weekday at one of three hospitals. You take call from home which is nice. Program Director is a Parkland guy so you will have to buy an expensive camera ($1000) and be prepared to take lots of pictures for case presentations. Great residents. I learned so much from them when I externed here for two weeks. They work extremely hard here. You can pre-round as early as 5:30 am and not end your day because of conferences or presentations until 8 pm or later. Family life takes a little hit here but aren't we there to work hard and learn a lot? Other perceived negatives would be that one of the three hospitals you cover is 30 min away so if they call you in the middle of the night, that gets old. Craniofacial presence is minimal although they said they know this and hope to get more for the residents. Also, it is a religious institution that requests you not to drink alcohol and attend a religion class which would scare most of you away right? It is not as bad as it seems because you can drink if you want when you are not on call and nobody really cares as long as you are not public about it. The religion class is minimal. I ranked this program high but I was looking for a change of scenery as I had already gone through 4 yrs of dental school here.
Arizona-Good Samaritan- 2 4 yr spots-Brand spanking new program. I think they ended up interviewing 40 people for two spots. They interviewed me in a group of 6 applicants. We had 4 separate interviews. One was with the program director-Dr. Burrow, another with a gen surg guy, another with the dean of Midwestern dental school, and another with a group of attendings. Really chill interview. He said at home call. Great city but death in the summer due to the heat (100 degrees at 10 pm during 4 months) Great winters and great golf. I think this is going to be a great program. They are going to be only trauma presence-no ENT or plastics. Dr. Burrow is so nice and seems to be a real stud of an OMFS. He does many different things, even microvascular stuff. Great city and great facility. It seems like they will have great financial support from the hospital. Dr. Burrow told us that he looked at many different programs across the nation and tried to choose the best qualities of each one and incorporate that into his program. He said he came from a very busy program and wanted to make sure his program was relatively family-friendly. Great sim lab-you can practice on the Wii for your surgical skills and also had manakins in fake OR to practice stuff on where you can get feedback from people. You can even practice intubating fake patients with a virtual screen which for me seemed nice to me because I have never done that before and am pretty scared 🙂 Midwestern dental school is ridiculously nice. They have spent a lot of money on their facilities and it shows. They hadn't built the OS clinic yet but I am sure it is going to be first class. Perceived negatives would be a brand new program so there are a few worries with that although I think the potential to cut earlier would be there. There is no history of people taking and passing boards which is important to me. No definite history of the program in general. There is also no buffer between you and the attendings because there are no senior residents there which may be good or bad. Although I think Dr. Burrow is really nice so I think he will be a great and patient teacher. I lived in Arizona for a few years so a change of scenery was on my wishlist.
Denver Health- 1 4 yr spot. 25 or so interviewers for one spot. Multiple dates of interviews was chosen by Denver Health with a couple of residents per interview day. One interview with program director and time to speak to residents who I think have a say in who gets in. Chill interview. I externed there one week. At home call most months. Great city. Cost of living not bad. You can live in suburb for $600-800 a month or in the city for around $1000 a month for a one bedroom. Program director is retiring and residents seemed excited about who is potentially replacing him. Lots of trauma. Great sedation clinic. Implants with a renowned private practice guy if you want. Great residents. Got along with them really well. I was relatively new to the field of OMFS and they were so patient with me which I will never forget and appreciated a lot. They have one dedicated surgery day though they will operate on other days as necessary. Perceived negative would be only one resident per year although that might change in future. I wanted to be in a program with multiple residents for the comraderie. For the busy trauma month of July the first yr resident is q2 and all residents even the chief take first call in July. For this month, it is in house call. Why July so busy for trauma? They told me since it is so cold in the winter time people don't go out as much and get drunk and drive or get in fights during this time. Hilarious, I know 🙂 I was a little concerned about a change in program and not knowing how the program will fully run with new director. Also, you don't get a lot of cutting in until your chief year some third year, but rightfully so, chief gets dibs. I also live here now and was ready for a change.
St. Josephs-2 4 yr spots. I think they interviewed 40 or so people for 2 spots. They gave us a choice of morning or afternoon and a choice of two days. Interviewed with just program director and attending together. Really chill interview. In House call. Dr. Ephros is a super nice guy. He was the only program director I interviewed with that gave us a tour. He wrote back on my thank you email thanking me for coming in. Lots of trauma. I feel like I would be a great oral surgeon coming out. Residents seemed to get along well. Dr. Ephros is head of craniofacial team so he makes sure the residents get great exposure there, probably most in nation amongst 4 yr programs. They also said their attendings used to give the boards so they prepare their residents well to pass the boards. Also they had in the past and will in the very near future have an MD option so if that is your cup of tea, that is nice. Percieved negatives would be that Paterson, NJ is a very sketchy city but that just means more trauma for the residents. You can live in Clifton (10 min away) and be in a much safer neighborhood. Also, from a train station in Clifton, you can be in Manhattan in 30 minutes which is nice. Also, facilities are older but they are renovating which probably won't be completely finished until after 4 yrs.
Washington Hospital Center in Wash DC-3 4 yr spots. Interviewed people only one day (Sat) with I want to say 33 applicants. At night after the interviews, they go to a bar/restaurant for drinks/apps which is nice and you get to talk more informally to the attendings and residents because they don't get to really know you enough during the interviews so I would highly recommend not missing this function. One interview with a group of about 10-15 attendings. Chill, fast interview. Great facilities. In house call. Great on call room with internet in your room although they said you would be extremely busy to use it. Program director seems extremely nice. Very well loved by his residents. They said they would not hesitate to call him in the middle of the night when on call which I hear is not the norm at other programs. He also got his OMFS in England and then again in the states. Lots of trauma. I feel like I would be very well trained here. Perceived negatives would be cost of living. This was big for me. Some residents live in Maryland and Virginia for semi-affordable housing. One resident lives in DC and pays $2000 a month for rent but enjoys the city life and commute. You can get cheaper in DC but it will be sketchy.
University of Mississippi- 2 4 yr spots. Two possible interview dates with a dinner function between the two interview dates. I am guessing here but I think there were 20-25 people interviewing for 2 spots. 4 separate interviews with one-on-one interviews with PD, chair, and two separate attendings. Chill interviews. I think it was in house call but not sure. Residents were really friendly. Cost of living I would imagine be really low although I didn't research this extensively. The program is in Jackson MS so no shortage of trauma there. Relatively new program where I would have been only the third group of OMFS residents ever to the program. Great program director. He is a Parkland guy who did a fellowship in Cosmetics so I think you get exposure there. I was pleasantly surprised with the program I think it will be a good one. Perceived negatives would be city for a lot of people but I think lots of people woudn't mind it and some will prefer it. Also newness of program and lack of implant presence due to no VA rotations for now. They are aware of this and hope to get more later.
Boston University- 3 4 yr spots. Only one interview day with 33 or so people interviewed. Dinner the night before with the residents. The residents said they don't have a say in who gets in and I think I believe them so relax and have fun and ask the residents what life is like for them. In house call. Program director and chair seemed nice. 3 separate interviews with groups of 3-4 attendings each. 2 of three interviews for me were chill, a bit harsh for me on one of them. I was glad that there were no academic questions during interviews. They used to have some but stopped this year. I think you would be a good oral surgeon coming out. Residents seemed to get along well. Perceived negatives and in the interest of full disclosure, I am a die-hard Yankee fan and couldn't stand being in this city but remained committed to pursuing OMFS at all costs-$10000 tuition though I think the stipend is a little more than most to offset this and I heard they might be getting someone to pay for the tuition in the future. They do a full year of gen surg which is odd for a 4 yr program so this may or may not appeal to you. They don't do sedation until you are done with anethesia in your 2nd year so this might not work for you as well. Cost of living is high. They do offer resident housing although it is really difficult to get and according to the residents, in a shady neighborhood where if you have a family, they wouldn't recommend it. On a side note, this was the worst interview experience due to how it was set up. I was coming from mountain time and we had to be there at 6:30 am for a short presentation (30 min). I made the horrible mistake of letting them know weeks before the interview that I had all day to interview with them. Stupid me, I felt like I didn't want to offend the program by saying I had to leave earlier. After the presentation, I had a less than hour tour. Then I waited almost 4 hours till lunch just sitting in a room with 30 or so residents. I had lunch, waited another hour, had my first interview, waited another two hours, then had my last two interviews ending around 6 pm. I don't know about other people but I don't feel too comfortable in a suit and it was a long time. I know I sound like I am bitching but if I can save even one person the trouble I went through it will be worth it. So if you get an interview there, say you have an early flight!
Montefiore-Last but not least since I ranked it #1 and matched there. 5 4 yr spots 33 or so interviewed for 5 spots. Choice of am or pm on one of two separate days. One interview total with PD,assistant PD, and two attendings together. Chill interview. As I stated before, I wanted to be in a program with lots of residents to go through with it together and learn from each other. Great program director. He called me before match to ask if I had any questions (not illegal) and then called me to personally congratulate me on matching with them. Great attendings well loved by residents. They kept saying how the attendings were just holding the sticks while the residents cut. They also said it was nice having 9 full time attendings who didn't have to worry about their private practice patients. Since the residents cut a lot, the senior residents let the junior residents cut some of the cases. It is nice since GPR takes tooth call and calls you only if needed. At home call except when you are on call at the Jersey City Hospital which is in house call. The PD gets guest lecturers to come in quarterly like Marx, Ruggiero, etc. This program just seemed to fit into what I was looking for in a program. Residents seem to get along really well. It was weird cause each resident I talked to said they ranked Montefiore #1. I don't know if they are all telling the truth, but if so, I think it speaks well of the program. Lots of trauma, orthognathic, 3rds, and according to the program, they place the most implants in the nation. I had heard some rumors of the PD placing the implants but the residents assured me this was not the case. They did say the PD tx plans the implants but I'd like to think it is something you do together and you can learn from someone with a ton of experience tx planning it. There is resident housing available and since I live in Colorado, they said I will get it no problem since it is based on how far you live from NY. It is a screaming deal for being in the Bronx. $750 a month for gas, water, electric included for a relatively nice apartment and it is right across the street from the hospital. Great hospital facilities. They are very tech savvy and seem very financially stable. Bronx as you know is where the World Champion Yankees play so that is a nice perk not having to pay for the MLB package. (FYI I was born in Manhattan and Reggie Jackson gave me baseball when I went to a game when I was five and have been a fan ever since.) I was excited about a place I never got to live in as an adult. Perceived negatives-$5000 tuition but you start at $53000 a year and cap as a chief resident at over $60000 a year so it ain't that bad considering housing as well and the fact that most programs are mid 40's for stipend. They make you read up on two journal articles out of a possible eight or so. This is not a big deal. Just read them and be prepared to discuss them. I think they just want to know that you can read something and discuss it somewhat intelligently. Also the whole implant thing but I will try to let you all know more about it as I progress in the program.
I want everyone to know I would have been happy to match at any of these programs to pursue my dream of being an OMFS. I ranked every single one of them. It was a very difficult decision on where to rank them. Not every program is going to fit each resident. I think you should do your research on different programs and when you interview with them, find out if you can envision yourself there. Not even Parkland will be a good fit for every resident. There are so many factors in deciding what program is right for you like what location you want to be in for four years, what you want to do when you get out meaning if you want more cancer you should go to a place that has lots of that, where the wife wants to go, cost of living, board passing rate, how many people you want in your program, etc.
I know some people will disagree with what I am posting here. I am not doing this for them. They didn't put anything on these forums for people like me to see about these programs. I am doing this for the people who are going to go through what I went through. I promised myself that if I ever got into a program, I would try to help out as many people as I can. This site has helped me so much and I know if you are like me, you read these posts a lot even if you never post something yourself. I wish I had gotten even more info on these programs and help from these forums. This post isn't intended to be a full description of these programs but merely my honest opinion of my time there and asking a ton of questions with each of the residents and attendings there. Best of luck to you all! If you have any questions, you can ask me here or PM me.
-free flaps: around 80
-orthognathic: around 85
-120 implants placed during 4 months at dental school your 3rd or 5th year depending on whether you're in the 4 or 6 year track, no need to "work" to get implants during your dental school rotation
-for implants, work with AEGD (harder cases) and dental students (omfs/perio)
-head and neck cancer through Ord
-craniofacial through Caccamese
-some cosmetics with Wharburton, he's working on doing more
-2 power weekends per month: Q2 for a few weeks and then get 2 weekends off a month
-take facial trauma call every Thurs, every other Fri-Sun
-cover trauma at Maryland and Sinai (level II trauma center so only called in like 2-3 times a month), you won't be on primary call for both, only back up call
-do trachs
-M, T, Th, F are designated OR days but often operate on weekends for trauma
-Wed mornings are didactics
-weak on pediatric trauma experience (most go to Johns Hopkins)
-orthognathic: around 85
-120 implants placed during 4 months at dental school your 3rd or 5th year depending on whether you're in the 4 or 6 year track, no need to "work" to get implants during your dental school rotation
-for implants, work with AEGD (harder cases) and dental students (omfs/perio)
-head and neck cancer through Ord
-craniofacial through Caccamese
-some cosmetics with Wharburton, he's working on doing more
-2 power weekends per month: Q2 for a few weeks and then get 2 weekends off a month
-take facial trauma call every Thurs, every other Fri-Sun
-cover trauma at Maryland and Sinai (level II trauma center so only called in like 2-3 times a month), you won't be on primary call for both, only back up call
-do trachs
-M, T, Th, F are designated OR days but often operate on weekends for trauma
-Wed mornings are didactics
-weak on pediatric trauma experience (most go to Johns Hopkins)
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-very resident run
-trauma 245 (cut most of them as resident)
-orthognathic 92 (1st years do work-up, cut a few during junior years, do about 60 by end)
-path 220
-recon 45
-craniofacial 10 (only alveolar clefts, bone grafting, no primary cleft lip/palate)
-DA 129
-300+ implants by end: 1.5 days/week dedicated to only implants during clinic with prosth attending
-trauma call: 6 days/week at WHC (ENT on Tuesday, no plastics), mandible trauma 7 days/week at Childrens (midface by plastics)
-M, W, Th are OR days, many night cases
-leave 12-1pm post call
-morning rounds 6:30am-7am, leave 6:30pm or much later if late OR cases
-Dr. Obeid is the only 1 full time attending, looking for 1 more, ~20 active part time attendings
-3 residents per year
-5 hospitals: WHC, Childrens, VA (2 months 3rd year), Hopkins (2 months 2nd year, 3 months 3rd year), National Rehab
-trauma 245 (cut most of them as resident)
-orthognathic 92 (1st years do work-up, cut a few during junior years, do about 60 by end)
-path 220
-recon 45
-craniofacial 10 (only alveolar clefts, bone grafting, no primary cleft lip/palate)
-DA 129
-300+ implants by end: 1.5 days/week dedicated to only implants during clinic with prosth attending
-trauma call: 6 days/week at WHC (ENT on Tuesday, no plastics), mandible trauma 7 days/week at Childrens (midface by plastics)
-M, W, Th are OR days, many night cases
-leave 12-1pm post call
-morning rounds 6:30am-7am, leave 6:30pm or much later if late OR cases
-Dr. Obeid is the only 1 full time attending, looking for 1 more, ~20 active part time attendings
-3 residents per year
-5 hospitals: WHC, Childrens, VA (2 months 3rd year), Hopkins (2 months 2nd year, 3 months 3rd year), National Rehab
-about 100 orthognathic cases each by end, can do some as juniors
-place 300+ implants, maybe 20-30 intern year
-2-3 cancer cases a month by Hirsch
-Dr. Schmidt joining NYU
-very resident run: residents extract in clinic w/o much supervision, operate at Bellevue w/o sup.
-on call Q3 as intern
-intern year: 4 months Bellevue, 4 months VA, 4 months anesthesia
-take out tons of wisdom teeth intern year under local in clinic, can do IV sed after anesthesia
-come back on service during 4th year, gen surg is 5th year
-split facial trauma w/ ENT and plastics every third day
-Mondays and Fridays are OR days, some Wednesdays are OR days
-Tue afternoons are academic days, Wed are path days
-T, W, Th AM seniors do IV sedations 4-5 pts/day
-round at 7:15am unless OR day, clinic done at 4:30 so leave around 5:30 unless OR day
-2 6-yr spot, 1 4-yr spot
-place 300+ implants, maybe 20-30 intern year
-2-3 cancer cases a month by Hirsch
-Dr. Schmidt joining NYU
-very resident run: residents extract in clinic w/o much supervision, operate at Bellevue w/o sup.
-on call Q3 as intern
-intern year: 4 months Bellevue, 4 months VA, 4 months anesthesia
-take out tons of wisdom teeth intern year under local in clinic, can do IV sed after anesthesia
-come back on service during 4th year, gen surg is 5th year
-split facial trauma w/ ENT and plastics every third day
-Mondays and Fridays are OR days, some Wednesdays are OR days
-Tue afternoons are academic days, Wed are path days
-T, W, Th AM seniors do IV sedations 4-5 pts/day
-round at 7:15am unless OR day, clinic done at 4:30 so leave around 5:30 unless OR day
-2 6-yr spot, 1 4-yr spot
-LIJ (lots of orthognathics and path), SB (lots of trauma and also DA thru dental school), VA (implants)
-200 orthognathics per year done by Sachs' group alone (Sachs, Schwartz, Ruggiero, etc..)
-about 100 orthognathics done by the chief during his 4 months at LIJ chief year
-no need to do lab work and model surgery for private orthognathic patients; just cut
-around 140 implants by time you're done (50 implants at SB dental school chief year, 90 implants at VA)
-only service covering facial trauma at SB and LIJ, GPR takes tooth call at both
-take call Q2 or Q3 1st year, also take call as senior due to 1st yrs being split (LIJ, SB, anesth)
-SB covers trauma from all Suffolk County, tons of full scope trauma, nice hospital
-LIJ is level II trauma so get called in only sometimes for trauma; smaller and not as nice as SB
-W, F are OR days at SB and T, Th are OR days at LIJ
-tuition only 20,000 per year and pay for 2.5 years so about 50,000 for tuition total
-total med school tuition and living expense for 2.5 yrs=112,000
-1st year: 4 mo LIJ, 4 mo SB, 4 mo Anesthesia; 2nd year: MS2, get about 6 weeks for Step 1; 3rd year: MS3; 4th year: few months of MS4, gen surg; 5th year: some gen surg, rotating at LIJ and SB; 6th year: LIJ, SB, VA
-won't cut much as 1st year, plenty of cutting when back on service as juniors due to chiefs being split up into 3 sites
-you decide with co-resident who does gen surg where: LIJ (easier) and SB (more badass)
-3 residents (two 6 yrs, one 4 yr)
-no moonlighting, Lessin doesn't want it
-write abstract every year for some competition thingy and write the paper if accepted, present once at meeting before you're done
-SB dean wants to start its own OMFS program and Hofstra Univ. will start its own med school in 2011 with LIJ as one of its hospitals; LIJ and SB may split eventually
-200 orthognathics per year done by Sachs' group alone (Sachs, Schwartz, Ruggiero, etc..)
-about 100 orthognathics done by the chief during his 4 months at LIJ chief year
-no need to do lab work and model surgery for private orthognathic patients; just cut
-around 140 implants by time you're done (50 implants at SB dental school chief year, 90 implants at VA)
-only service covering facial trauma at SB and LIJ, GPR takes tooth call at both
-take call Q2 or Q3 1st year, also take call as senior due to 1st yrs being split (LIJ, SB, anesth)
-SB covers trauma from all Suffolk County, tons of full scope trauma, nice hospital
-LIJ is level II trauma so get called in only sometimes for trauma; smaller and not as nice as SB
-W, F are OR days at SB and T, Th are OR days at LIJ
-tuition only 20,000 per year and pay for 2.5 years so about 50,000 for tuition total
-total med school tuition and living expense for 2.5 yrs=112,000
-1st year: 4 mo LIJ, 4 mo SB, 4 mo Anesthesia; 2nd year: MS2, get about 6 weeks for Step 1; 3rd year: MS3; 4th year: few months of MS4, gen surg; 5th year: some gen surg, rotating at LIJ and SB; 6th year: LIJ, SB, VA
-won't cut much as 1st year, plenty of cutting when back on service as juniors due to chiefs being split up into 3 sites
-you decide with co-resident who does gen surg where: LIJ (easier) and SB (more badass)
-3 residents (two 6 yrs, one 4 yr)
-no moonlighting, Lessin doesn't want it
-write abstract every year for some competition thingy and write the paper if accepted, present once at meeting before you're done
-SB dean wants to start its own OMFS program and Hofstra Univ. will start its own med school in 2011 with LIJ as one of its hospitals; LIJ and SB may split eventually
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Does anyone know about San Antonio now that Ellis is the Chair? any changes? still accepting only two residents/year or more now? just let me know if there is any info about SA in the OS community.
Thanks.
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hi there.i am a resident of us but am a FTD.i wanna pursue oral and maxillofacial surgery residency.when i surveyed, most of univ want d applicant to have a dds/dmd.i appreciate if any one knows vch univs offer a course to a FTD to join oral and maxillofacial residency.my toefl score 106. ece gpa 3.53.plz throw sm light here
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pls, you wil gt alot of response by using prop engrish and ful sentances w/o runons and then apply all over becuz making no sense it is awesom to repli easily like you do now scores ok, good. yes!
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This is a very nice thread fellas (aside from OMFS skin's comments)! Valuable information for current applicants. Thanks to all current residents who have posted.
Can anyone give any information on UNC's or Vandy's program? Thanks.
Can anyone give any information on UNC's or Vandy's program? Thanks.
Hey guys,
Any takers? Mount Sinai 🙂
Any takers? Mount Sinai 🙂
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UNC is unbelievable. Ok I've gone too far. But it's a really neat place based upon the interview. I would contact them directly through their coordinator. Most of the residents were very helpful and their 2 new 1st years are great! Email em.
The gist: Just enough trauma, orthognathics is excellent, dentoalveolar is the norm, implants borderline(but not anything that detured me), anesthesia seemed to be tip top with dedicated anesthesia faculty, no cancer unless you want it at their other hospital, good med school, cheap tuition, I don't recall moonlighting policy, faculty seemed awesome, chapel hill is amazing, female friendly. There are far more positives than negatives.
Get in touch with the residents though, chief to intern.
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Solid info in this thread. There really needs to be a website/manual that comes out every year displaying numbers for each program. There isn't that much solid info on Maryland's OMFS program. Any interviewees or current residents have SOLID NUMBERS/experiences that they can share? Thanks.
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I had a different impression with UNC when I externed/interviewed there. I felt that it was what I call a "Tweener" program meaning that I feel it's stuck between two niches. It isn't really a "private practice" program but it's not really an "acadmemic" program. I'll elaborate.
The clinic was very much just point and pull with most of the sedation cases actually being done by the attending, Dr. Reside. The point and pull clinic was not even busy enough for 2 externs and a dental student. Most of the externs and residents spent a good portion of the day standing around at which point if someone saw this would snap "you should be reading," even to a first day extern. Didn't see any implants being placed but was told at the interview that they had increased due to Dr. Reside and were continuing to increase. Did see two interns tag team a set of thirds, but only one set while I was there.
Trauma is mostly at a rotation to I believe Asheville, NC for like 4 months. Plastics and ENT have a stanglehold on Primary Craniofacial, Cancer, Cosmetics, and the majority of the trauma. Dr. Turvey and Blakey are excellent surgeons but don't always seem approachable. Dr. Turvey is an amazing surgeon and academician but appears to be slowing down (and deservedly so) and not doing much Craniofacial surgery anymore and certainly primary lips/palates, etc being very rare.
I always felt a sense of rigidity and tension while I was here. Like the attendings respected each other but were more than happy to avoid each other if possible. I also felt like the residents were very hierarchial-more so than any other program I've seen/heard about. They also seemed like they didn't hate each other but like they didn't really have a desire to hang out or have a conversation outside of the realm of OMFS.
On the plus side, research is prominent and opportunities easily found. Med school is excellent and cheap. The community is visually beautiful, inexpensive, and a great place to live/raise a family. You will learn from some legends of the game (Turvey, Blakey, White, Fonseca)
Negatives: Not entirely full scope. Rigidity and formality, lack of approachability and possibililty of question asking-I asked how approachable the attendings were to a chief and his response was something to the effect of "Well, if a chief asks a question they are less likely to blow you off, but that should be the case because most questions you can get answered in a book." Don't know how beneficial their amazing faculty are if you can't benefit from their experiences and talk to them. Not too busy with actual surgery unless you are a chief. This program does operate a lot. But like I previously mentioned the cheifs are operating and the interns are really staffing a clinic that is not super busy. I guess you could argue that there was plenty of time to read, but I can read on my own for the rest of my life and would prefer to get experience during my residency.
Qualifiers: I was only at this program for a short period of time and it was a few years ago. I understand that several things that I saw/experienced may not be entirely accurate based on my short viewing window and changes that could have occured. I tried to tell my experiences and what I inferred by being there and talking to the residents. I fully admit that there may be inaccuracies and I encourage any corrections from anyone who has a different story. Hope this helped.
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I got the word on Jefferson's OMFS progam. I saw the post above and got nervous about it because I'm seriously considering this program. I think the general consensus from the residents I worked with and other people who knew about that post was that it was some pissed off attending posing as a graduated resident. Apparently the chairman has some enemies, but come on, who doesn't. Basically, I really doubt that everything is as bad as that post made it seem. Most of the guys in the program are good guys and I don't think any one of them would dare write something like that about their program or their attendings. It's something I noticed right away. Yes, the chairman was an intimidating guy, but brilliant. Isn't that what a chairman is supposed to be?!
The program is the program to beat. They blow Penn, Drexel and Temple out of the water on the shear volume they bring in and quality they put out. These guys are doing an enormous amount of orthognathics, implants, trauma (rotate months of facial trauma with ENT service), research. They cover Jefferson, Methodist, the VA and have many transferring hospitals. They do upwards of 10 – 12 sedations in the office a day!! Their service is rocking.
They just increased the number of residents they take from 2 to 3 (two 4 years and one 6 year; I think it should be the other way around with two 6yrs and one 4yr like LIJ) just to handle the increase of volume. They took two 1 yr position residents this year because their service is so busy. They also brought in another attending as well. Personally, I am interested in the 6 yr position b/c I want to know the medicine side of things as well as the OMFS. I also hear that some of the medical governing bodies are trying to limit the practice scope of the single degrees which doesn't bode well for the 4 yrs. Plus, the 6yr is just badass. I hear they're brilliant and although it takes some time coming back to surgery after being in med school for two years, in the long run, they have more options open to them. Just my opinion.
Upcoming chiefs (2011 – 2012) for graduates who are looking to matriculate next July:
-*redacted*4yr – easy to get along with and smart within the scope of OMFS. Medical knowledge and understanding is limited surrounding many of these cases as you would expect since the guy doesn't have an MD. I got the sense that he was lazy/manipulative and everyone in the office seemed to know it, too. really good at looking busy and looking good when the chairman is around. Good example to follow for any intern looking to not get into trouble by slightly shady means. Definitely possible that he will sell his fellow residents down the river to keep his own skin out of the fire. I worry about being a 1st year under this guy.
-*redacted*6yr – seriously intense and meticulous guy, recently back from an extended med school stay b/c he got sidetracked with his personal life, met his wife and eventually got it together and is back on track. Word I hear from previous chief, is this guy is crazy smart in an entire scope of OMFS and medicine, but gets caught up in the small details. Professional and spoke highly of all the attendings when I met him. Word in the office is that he's a very honest guy and is not the type to let someone else take the heat for him. This guy's a worrier which I like b/c it means he won't leave me hanging when I'm the new resident on call.
This service has all the stuff that any incoming resident should be looking for in a program as far as cases and learning. I think it comes down to the people. You are not going to like everyone in a program, that's just how it is. I think for the most part, the attendings and residents at Jefferson's OMFS program are great. They seem like guys you'd want to go out and grab a beer with which means a lot if you're going to be spending years with these people. I think anyone who matches here is going to be a lucky SOB! I hope it's me!
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Haha. What?! Your post has no substance AND you are defaming a chief. I highly doubt you're an applicant. Perhaps a bitter chief who doesn't like their senior resident. Doesn't really matter.
How about you remove the direct attacks so this thread can stay useful.
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Wow, I think my post was a very straight forward and pretty complimentary post about Jeff. Obviously, not everything is always good when you do your externship somewhere; I'm sharing something that wasn't a great thing for me. It was one bad thing out of many great aspects of the program.
You sound like a pretty bitter guy who, sounds like from this angry post, is probably the 4yr guy I mentioned in the post. And, guess what, there was no defaming of a chief nor was it a direct attack. It was honest criticism of a senior resident who is not yet a chief and unfortunately, I didn't see a very good side of him while I was there. Sorry you don't like the criticism. This post was done in the overview section of OMFS. This post is an overview of my experience at Jeff OMFS. 😕
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Haha.. Dude, lighten up and realize that people get chief syndrome.
Whats a chief? A kid who decided to waste 4-6 years of his life to learn to chuck wizzies!
LOL
you are so funny!
I agree with GTFOOMICT, I think its better for you to remove this.
Iam a graduate of Jefferson and I have worked with the upcoming chief that you didnt like, and I can tell you that you are full of sh..
"easy to get along with and smart within the scope of OMFS" is the only thing that I agree with, but the rest.. totally the opposite, and I have to say that he was one of the best resident that I have worked with.
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Just wondering if anyone has opinions on Cincinnati's program.
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Anyone know which programs allow you to moonlight? I have kids so the extra cash would be useful, they might hold it against me if they have to wear clothes made out of my old scrubs, 🙂
Also, if anyone has any good info on Univ. Of Minnesota I'd appreciate it. I recently heard some bad stuff, but it was passed onto me from a friend of a friend who only did a extern there, so hardly valid. Thanks.
Also, if anyone has any good info on Univ. Of Minnesota I'd appreciate it. I recently heard some bad stuff, but it was passed onto me from a friend of a friend who only did a extern there, so hardly valid. Thanks.
I'm going there for an externship over the summer. . . I'll fill you in in 9 months?
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Haha, thanks man I appreciate it. I'll be applying in 9 months, I'm just trying to decide if I want to spend time externing there before then. Either way, let me know what you think.
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Hi there,
I am curious to know if there is anyone out there into MD/OMFS program who is foreign trained with DMD or without DMD.
please respond and share information....
I am curious to know if there is anyone out there into MD/OMFS program who is foreign trained with DMD or without DMD.
please respond and share information....
Brookdale's website is very limited. Can anyone give some insight into the program? Thanks
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OHSU encourages moonlighting...
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Does anyone know what's going on at Indiana University OMFS? Something is not right over there...I heard they have been struggling over a few things since the former director left the program. I heard some rumors about them not doing anything but extractions and trauma cases. Do they even have any full time faculty now?
I'd appreciate any input.
I'd appreciate any input.
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There are 3 f/t OMFS faculty + 1 f/t Dental Anesthesia faculty (+ another OMFS p/t) with a 4th f/t OMFS set to join 7/1. Yes, there was a fall out after the former PD left and things were murky for a while as was to be expected. Unfortunately, such is the tumultous nature of academia these days, it's hard to retain faculty. In the last 6 months, things have really turned around again. It is a very busy trauma and dentoalveolar/implants program first and foremost. Orthognathics, in terms of numbers, is probably right around the national average. The second biggest OMFS private practice group in the country is closely affiliated with the program and they bring a good portion of those cases in. It's technically a dental school affiliated program but essentially acts as a hospital-based one- pros/cons to this. If you're looking for cosmetics/microvascular look elsewhere, you won't find it here. The chair is big on didactics, which sucks as a resident but, ultimately, pays off. Feel free to PM more detailed questions
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Which programs prepare you well academically? I've heard nice things about Parkland, Michigan, and LSU. Do you agree/ any other ones that come to mind? And what are some particular reasons?
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Programs that have dedicated didactic time, or those with just amazing faculty.
OHSU, San Antonio, Vanderbilt, Parkland, UAB come to mind.
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do you mean programs with heavy didactic emphasis or programs where graduates flood into academics?
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No, I mean those programs that have time each week dedicated to reviewing articles, discussing cases etc.
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I originally meant places with graduates frequently going into academics, but I'm also curious about programs with dedicated weekly academic sessions.
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Most programs fit this description.
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UNC and Parkland come to mind for putting out academicians.
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