Only Profis Locations

[RTAQ]

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Does anyone know where the army dental clinic facilities for only profis are located? for example, does germany have any location that is Profis?

 

[eric275]

Does anyone know where the army dental clinic facilities for only profis are located? for example, does germany have any location that is Profis?

What's Profis? Are you talking about prosthodontics, prostho ?

 

[RTAQ]

Profis is part of the army dentistry program that places you into the Dencom umbrella, and not the Forscom umbrella. Profis allows you to do clinical army dentistry more than Forscom (TOE). See Army Brigade Dentist Thread.

 

[dentalOH]

Does anyone know where the army dental clinic facilities for only profis are located? for example, does germany have any location that is Profis?

Profis is part of the army dentistry program that places you into the Dencom umbrella, and not the Forscom umbrella. Profis allows you to do clinical army dentistry more than Forscom (TOE). See Army Brigade Dentist Thread.

I think you're a little confused with the terminology. PROFIS isn't a location or type of unit. PROFIS is the Professional Filler System. This is used to fill slots in units when they deploy.

In the Army, there are two types of units: TOE and TDA. TOE units are operational units. TOE units in which dentists may be assigned include combat support hospitals (CSH), brigades, medical companies (dental services), and special forces. There may be others, but these are the ones I'm familiar with. If assigned to these units in CONUS, you would fall under Forscom. If OCONUS, it depends where you are. In Europe, you would fall under USAREUR. TDA units are fixed units. Dental TDA units are the dental activities (DENTAC) and they fall under DENCOM.

A brigade has one dentist assigned. A CSH has a dentist and an OMSF assigned. In each of these units, the dentist goes where the unit goes. If the unit deploys for 12 months, so does the dentist. The medical company (ds) is where the PROFIS slots come into play. The unit I was in had 2 dentists assigned full time. There were also slots for 14 other dentists. Dentists from the local DENTAC were assigned PROFIS to these slots. If our unit had deployed, these dentists would have deployed with us. I believe that under the current rules, deployments for PROFIS dentists are limited to 6 months.

Germany has three DENTACs: Heidelberg, Landstuhl, and Bavaria. The following link shows which clinics and locations fall under each DENTAC: http://www.erdc.healthcare.hqusareur.army.mil/.

There are two units to which a dentist might be assigned PROFIS. These are the 464th Medical Company (DS) in Landstuhl and the 561st Medical Company (DS) in Grafenwoehr.

 

[RTAQ]

There are two units to which a dentist might be assigned PROFIS. These are the 464th Medical Company (DS) in Landstuhl and the 561st Medical Company (DS) in Grafenwoehr.

So are all of the other dental clinics in germany, italy, and belgium TOE?

 

[dentalOH]

There are two units to which a dentist might be assigned PROFIS. These are the 464th Medical Company (DS) in Landstuhl and the 561st Medical Company (DS) in Grafenwoehr.

So are all of the other dental clinics in germany, italy, and belgium TOE?

No. The 464th and 561st are TOE units. The DENTACs are TDA units. If you are assigned to a DENTAC, you are not in a TOE unit. However, if the 464th or 561st deploy, you could be assigned to them as a PROFIS dentist to fill their dental officer slots. This means that you would deploy with them (up to six months under the current rules).

 

[RTAQ]

No. The 464th and 561st are TOE units. The DENTACs are TDA units. If you are assigned to a DENTAC, you are not in a TOE unit. However, if the 464th or 561st deploy, you could be assigned to them as a PROFIS dentist to fill their dental officer slots. This means that you would deploy with them (up to six months under the current rules).

Thank you for clearing things up for me. What locations in Germany can you choose to be placed as TDA without being placed as TOE and/or placed as profis? Do all TDA DENTAC commands in Germany fall under these two medical companies in becoming a profis dentist? Are there locations in Germany that you can request to go to that are strictly TDA no TOE/Profis attachments?

 

[krmower]

Thank you for clearing things up for me. What locations in Germany can you choose to be placed as TDA without being placed as TOE and/or placed as profis? Do all TDA DENTAC commands in Germany fall under these two medical companies in becoming a profis dentist? Are there locations in Germany that you can request to go to that are strictly TDA no TOE/Profis attachments?

PROFIS dentists are randomly assigned. You can be in a clinical spot anywhere and be assigned as a PROFIS dentist (stateside or OCONUS). Unfortunately there are no "non-deployable" dental spots (except residency programs, Commands, and some staff officer jobs). Even if you are in a clinic with only 1 other person, you can be assigned PROFIS.

 

[Chachito]

I am in Germany right now. I am stationed in Bamberg, Germany, which is in the Bavaria DENTAC. In my clinic, there are three military dentists, a COL and two CPT's, two civilian general dentists, a civilian pediatric dentist, and a civilian orthodontist. All three of the military are TDA. There is also a TOE position here, which will be coming open next year. The dentist attached to that unit (173rd) just got back from a 15 month deployment. When I requested Germany, I made it very clear that I wanted a TDA spot only, but looking back, CPT Pratt-Chambers could just as easily given me a TOE spot. I did not do the 1-year AEGD, and I feel like if I did I would have been much more likely to get a TOE spot. Now that deployments are down to 6 months, they told us that volunteers have filled up all the spots at least through the first half of 2009. I have a friend here that volunteered three times to go and just barely got to go. In some ways, I feel like volunteering may be the way to go, then you are guaranteed a 6 month tour, instead of a 12-15 down the road.

 

[HawkeyeDDS]

There are a number of locations that have the Brigade dentist slot (TOE). some of these include, Ft Riley, Hood, Campbell, Stewart, Bragg, Lewis, Carson and Drum I think. There might be one or 2 more, Conus ones. I believe that all in Alaska are also TOE, but don't quote me on that. There's alot of smaller posts Sill, Leavenworth, Leanardwood, Polk, Irwin, etc where there are no TOE slots, so you would automatically go into the Profis pool. Everybody is Profis unless you are in a TOE slot. That just means you could get pulled and deployed, nothing to worry or freak out about. But really 6 months, that's a cakewalk compared to the BS of the TOE slot. Also don't believe any of the crap they tell you in OBC about Profis docs getting stuck in some other occupation, (road guard etc)

Maj Pratt-Chambers recently sent out a list of all the posts and if there are TOE slots or not, I deleted it so I'm just going from memory here. You can always talk to her.