Ontario pharmacies might start cutting jobs.
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So what the word on the ground, Cannucks?
I'm hearing that the changes are going full steam ahead July 1st. The McGuinty gov't didn't concede jack **** from what I underrstand.
So what are you people doing? Massive walk-out? That's what I'd do.
I'm hearing that the changes are going full steam ahead July 1st. The McGuinty gov't didn't concede jack **** from what I underrstand.
So what are you people doing? Massive walk-out? That's what I'd do.
Explain?
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# of posts in topic. Just ignore him.
Trouble is, we're not organized. We've got the Ontario Pharmacists Association, and with them I've marched on parliament, sent letters to the media and my MPP (Cheri DiNovo is now my Facebook friend), and in general tried to counter the lies being told by the government and perpetuated by the 2 biggest unions.
Pharmacies have been putting up signs saying they'll be charging for services they now offer for free. But basically, people don't get this issue because it's a little too technical for them to follow. This legislation is a gift to the insurance companies at the expense of front-line health care workers, and all people think is, Big Pharma is taking a hit.
I don't know what else to do.
Pharmacies have been putting up signs saying they'll be charging for services they now offer for free. But basically, people don't get this issue because it's a little too technical for them to follow. This legislation is a gift to the insurance companies at the expense of front-line health care workers, and all people think is, Big Pharma is taking a hit.
I don't know what else to do.
The only left to do is something uncomfortable. Refuse to work. It would have to be something all pharmacists agreed to do. If they are not going to play ball, you guys are going to have to go for the throat. If the majority of pharmacists got together and went on a strike, you'd get your way within days. Sure, you'd look like the bad guy, but **** it...if everyone is too stupid to realize what is happening, they deserve to get a shakedown.
You're backed into a corner, come out swinging.
Trouble is, if Ontario pharmacists refuse to fill rxs, we not only look like bad guys, but also we could be up for professional misconduct charges from the Ontario College of Pharmacists.
If we all walked, they wouldn't be able to prosecute all of us. But like I said, we're not organized. And the government knows this; that's why they took us on and not, say, the brand-name pharmaceutical companies, whose drugs are responsible for 75% of the drug costs in Ontario, and are unaffected by this legislation.
If we all walked, they wouldn't be able to prosecute all of us. But like I said, we're not organized. And the government knows this; that's why they took us on and not, say, the brand-name pharmaceutical companies, whose drugs are responsible for 75% of the drug costs in Ontario, and are unaffected by this legislation.
If reimbursement is so bad, why do I keep seeing these independent pharmacies...
one that does around 300rx/day, net profit $800k/year..
one that does around 600rx/day in the boonies, net profit $1.6M/year...
one that takes a lot of contracts in downtown San Diego ~1000rx/day, net profit almost $3.5M/year. Oh this one only have 2 pharmacists working at a time with gazillion techs...
Working in a hospital or retail and getting ~$100k sucks ball compare to these independent owners... They work 5 year, and can retire >_>
one that does around 300rx/day, net profit $800k/year..
one that does around 600rx/day in the boonies, net profit $1.6M/year...
one that takes a lot of contracts in downtown San Diego ~1000rx/day, net profit almost $3.5M/year. Oh this one only have 2 pharmacists working at a time with gazillion techs...
Working in a hospital or retail and getting ~$100k sucks ball compare to these independent owners... They work 5 year, and can retire >_>
It's illegal to stop working? What the **** kind of fascist ass **** is that? **** it, I'd do it anyway. Imagine how much it would cost to feed and house all of the pharmacists in jail.
There is a difference between California and Ontario. You know...subtle things...like how it's a different country, for instance...
To be fair, maybe momus thought we were talking about Ontario, California - whenever we venture to the left coast, geographical confusion ensues.
I'm in a position to put an exact figure on that, actually 😀
I'm in a position to put an exact figure on that, actually 😀
what if all the pharmacists took a ton of Laxatives then went to the ER to complain about massive diarrhea (since u guys have universal coverage its free right?)
that clogs up the ERs with pharmacists with diarrhea nd you didnt fill RX due to illness instead of your refusal to fill 🙂
It is not illegal to stop working. It is considered collusion to make a deal with competitors to stop working, however. All pharmacists can't go on strike... unless they magically do it without organization.
or, ya know, do organize. Pharmacists can form a province-wide union if they wanted to, and bargain collectively. The nurses and docs do it...
I'm not sure how the OPA/IPO/CACDS were able to exclusively bargain on the pharmacist's behalf without being trade unions.
Then the pharmacies could opt-out of ODB's rubbish. Pharmacies have no problems with cash prescriptions, they can still charge fees as they please, so there will be no refusal to fill. Sure, some pharmacies will think it's a gold-mine to stay in ODB, but most pharmacies only have 3 or 4 phone lines, 1 fax line, 10-12 parking spots, and would be ground to a halt answering all of the patient care questions from 25 pharmacists. Most have generous return policies too.
Work to rule can be fun too.
Last I heard, pharmacies weren't an essential service (and indeed still can't stay open during holidays in some areas), but don't quote me on that.
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Would an English speaking American have the possibility to get a Canadian license, and if so, would she be able to get a job in urban Quebec?
Yes. You have to get a green card....then redo all of your internship hours...and then take all of the exams...about 1.5 years later....congrats, you are a Cannuckian pharmacist. That's if you want to work with Canadians. Now the Canadiens...them frogs hate Americans with a passion...
There is no Canadian license, it's a province by province thing, though there is a national board exam which all of the provinces require.
Quebec has some other weird requirements, like an additional class on the Quebec health system. The Quebec specific requirements are only offered in French, and you'll need to pass a French-language proficiency test to practice there.
It is policies like this that have made Quebec the laughing stock of Canada when it comes to business.
Most urban locales in Quebec would probably require French anyway, though there are, without a doubt, entirely anglophone towns and anglophone parts of town in the cities where a non-French speaker would have no issues.
There's no such thing as a Canadian green card. He/she can apply for, and likely get, a TN-1 visa if he/she is a US or Mexican citizen.
Why do you want to be in urban Quebec?
what will happen is basically the pharmacies passing on the cost to customers and business as usual. Except pharmacists will be angrier than ever (and they were already pretty mean when I was living in Toronto). Wait times will increase and this will just be the norm similar to hospital wait times.
As for new graduates, well, I'm sure they'll find work and internship somewhere, they'll just have to do it in places they didn't think they would be working initially.
As for new graduates, well, I'm sure they'll find work and internship somewhere, they'll just have to do it in places they didn't think they would be working initially.
Sad to admit, but the reality is that we need a generic industry model more similar to the US. There should be competition for pricing among generic companies, instead of a provincially set base price. In the long run, this seems to reduce prices the furthest and not unfairly attack the pharmacy of Canada
http://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/80445/Eurohealth14_2.pdf
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http://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/80445/Eurohealth14_2.pdf
(page 18)
As with most things, if people just listened to me, the world would work correctly.
Get that **** fixed and cause a labor shortage. I want to come up and work in Edmonton or Ottawa or something...get back to me on that.
Should have read all the replies I guess. You have the right idea. Its a shame that the ones who really understand the issues are out practicing while idiot lawyers/former businessmen are the policy makers really running things
Well, technically, the government sets the max price they'll pay for a drug (ie: a cap). Anyone is certainly welcome to charge less, and in many ways, they do, such as lower dispensing fees. Some can and do charge less for the drugs themselves as well.
I m pretty sure behind this Drug Reform in Ontario big chains,generic companies, and government are behind to pass the bill, so the smaller independent pharmacy will be shut down, which were giving good competition to big chain pharmacies. Bigger chains are going to make money by creating competition for jobs, low wage to pharmacists, staff cuts and who knows they still get the rebates but not the smaller pharmacies. I have this doubt because the way the government behaved was unusual. The government did not hear or considered any suggestions from the pharmacists committee. I would not consider Pharmacy is a profession any more. And forget government is thinking for people in Ontario. Current government in ontario is the most corrupt.
Is there anyone who consider my thought.
Is there anyone who consider my thought.
After researching over the internet I have found that pharmacists are really in high demand in both Canada and US.
These are some links to prove that:
http://www.canadianliving.com/life/...acist_finance_dental_hygienist_and_more_3.php
http://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/news/recession-hurts-pharmacists-are-still-demand
and: http://www.pharmacychoice.com/careers/pharmacist_career.cfm
But there is one link that showed pharmacy is somewhat becoming a threat in the future (although it is a few years old):
http://www.pharmainfo.net/sailajaby...sed-demand-canadian-pharmacists-near-future……
If there is still some demand, then what was the point of cutting jobs in Ontario for? I still think pharmacy is a good choice for a career.
No more hiring in city areas after recent drug reform. In Toronto pharmacist rate is like $40, which is close to a TTC Bus driver with 5 years experience. Guess how much you need to study to become a bus driver. If you go rural cold area in Canada you can make good money, but I don't think After all money is not everything. I can say that being a pharmacist is not a good idea if u think 5 years and afterward.
Just like how Bush ****ed up America and how Dumbama is 'sandwiching' it!
