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[sharky2005]

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sure it's possible to go to HICP. Just give them your money, and you're accepted. 😉

How would the ACPE let a school run without a dean and an asssistant dean.

 

[goheel]

How would the ACPE let a school run without a dean and an asssistant dean.

The ACPE doesn't regulate HICP.

 

[BMBiology]

The ACPE does regulate pharmacy schools by accreditation but I dont believe it has the legal power to close a pharmacy school down.

 

[sharky2005]

Thats suck! Man, so no dean and no assistant dean...who is running the school. I guess i will have to apply to more schools next year.

 

[goheel]

The ACPE does regulate pharmacy schools by accreditation but I dont believe it has the legal power to close a pharmacy school down.

Yea, the ACPE regulate the accredited schools, but since HICP is not accredited, I don't think ACPE can regulate HICP.

 

[BMBiology]

The ACPE regulates accredited and non-accredited pharmacy schools by granting, denialing and withdrawing accreditation, but you can have the last word regarding this matter.

They have consistently and knowingly violated policy set forward by the ACPE. This directly shows they have no intention of gaining accreditation. The sad thing is that next year they will probably make millions again with the new batch of pharmacy students either at HICP or a new pharmacy school. Some lives are forever changed as a result of their greeds. These people have no heart.

Someone should post the founders' pics on this board.

 

[goheel]

Aren't they opening a dental school, similar to HICP? hmm, maybe they'll name it HICD.

 

[nikkai]

Thats suck! Man, so no dean and no assistant dean...who is running the school. I guess i will have to apply to more schools next year.

Ya know...

You do live in California...

And there are at least7 schools that I can think of in that state alone...

 

[Caverject]

Ya know...

You do live in California...

And there are at least7 schools that I can think of in that state alone...

 

[sharky2005]

Ya know...

You do live in California...

And there are at least7 schools that I can think of in that state alone...

Really?! But my qualification isnt as great. Hence, applying out of state is my only option.

 

[Caverject]

Really?! But my qualification isnt as great. Hence, applying out of state is my only option.

Boy, that's an elitist statement if I ever heard one. So the 49 other states have dumb pharmacy students. wow!

 

[J Lucas]

Really?! But my qualification isnt as great. Hence, applying out of state is my only option.

If HICP is your only option then you should start thinking about throwing in the towel...

 

[dgroulx]

Really?! But my qualification isnt as great. Hence, applying out of state is my only option.

You have a better chance at getting into a California school than a state school where you don't have residency.

It really won't do you much good going to HICP, you won't be able to transfer to another school when it disappears.

Maybe you should go back to school and improve your stats, then apply to a real school.

 

[LVPharm]

It really won't do you much good going to HICP, you won't be able to transfer to another school when it disappears.

Maybe you should go back to school and improve your stats, then apply to a real school.

sharky2005
Dana is spot on. Their "modified block" curricular structure presents problems for individuals seeking transfer (our school has had a few requests, per lisi). Take your time, build up a better applicant profile, and reapply to other programs.

 

[DayDreamer]

Well, people are wondering who is causing all the commotion at HICP......

The Corporation (AKA Monroe) and the Intermin Dean/Assistant Dean of Curriculum (AKA Dr. Hasan) is the cause all of this.The Intermin Dean does not have the experience or knowledge to run the school. He has a PhD in Special Education, and one may ask ' how did he become dean?' There was no reason behind why he fired or forced out the pharmacists except through false lies. The pharmacist weren't just Pharmacists, they were the student's mentors!

With that said....How the hell are students supposed to get their transcripts now since they Dr. Miyahara is gone now? Who is going to submit the OTC questions and Pharm Law questions for Cumulative Exam since Dr. Batz is gone now? What does that mean for the cumulative exam ?? 😕

One minute somebody is working here and the next minute, they are gone! I am not sure why they even fired or forced out the pharmacist that work there. Maybe it is greed of money.

The only PHARMACIST faculty left is Assistant Dean of Clinical Practice and only time will tell how long she will last.

Where do you think the money came from to build the Dental Program?? 😱 The money came from part of the pharmacy students tuition. 😡

Lisi - Is this is even right? Is this legal to just let somebody go or fire them for no reason?

 

[PharmAdvisor]

All of you HICP student have no idea what dire straits you're in and how much money you -and your parents- are wasting. ACPE has told the school to withdraw their application. Without ACPE accreditation, you have no hope of sitting for any state board anywhere in the nation. No board exam - no license - no license - no way for you to practice pharmacy!

Most pharmacy schools actually get pre-canditate status BEFORE they admit any students. The "corporation" apparently thought you guys would be a quick source of income & then they could figure out how to run a pharmacy school as they went along. Well, HELLO! ACPE is THE governing body of pharmacy education. ACPE accredits not only pharmacy schools, but accredits continuing education providers (you have to have a certain number of CE hours each year to renew your pharmacy license). You don't screw around with these folks.

Your Dean is long gone and isn't coming back. Your acting Dean is an idiot and has no business of being in the position that he is in. What does he know about pharmacy education? NOTHING! Without a Dean, ACPE is going to send HICP packing in June. Reputable pharmacy schools do an extensive national search before hiring a dean - and I can't think of any school that has someone with NO PHARMACY background in this position.

Wake up and smell the coffee, guys. Get out before you waste any more money.

 

[GetLost_Hawaii]

Actually, I have no hope now, but I want the people who have run this school bear the full responsibility for their act. They must refund us our money.
The founders are Dr. Criswell and Dr. Monroe. And can you guys guess? Dr. Crisswel had no more longer her incorporate with this school...so suck, huh? 😡 😡 😡

 

[TrojanAnteater]

has the media in Hawaii or anywhere else picked this up yet?

 

[lisi]

Whether or not you can fire someone for no cause depends on a couple of things:

1. Whether or not they have a contract; and
2. What kind of contract they have.

If they don't have a contract, they would be considered an "at will" employee in some states (I don't know whether or not Hawaii is an "at will" state or not)--if "at will" status applies, they can be fired for no reason (although the institution may still be at risk for a discrimination lawsuit, particularly if the employee is in one of the "protected classes" as defined by the EEOC).

If they have a contract, there are probably conditions that would constitute a violation of the terms of the contract and the individual could be fired (however, that would not be firing the person without "cause")--also, typically in academic institutions, faculty are governed by a faculty handbook. The faculty handbook specifies conditions (usually things like demonstrated incompetence, repeated violations of policy, academic dishonesty) under which a contract may be terminated, but it's typically a fairly long, drawn out process that requires significant warning with opportunities given to correct the deficiencies and documentation PRIOR to action (unless there is a major, major violation). Academia is definitely 180 degrees from the Donald Trump "You're fired" modality.

Well, people are wondering who is causing all the commotion at HICP......

The Corporation (AKA Monroe) and the Intermin Dean/Assistant Dean of Curriculum (AKA Dr. Hasan) is the cause all of this.The Intermin Dean does not have the experience or knowledge to run the school. He has a PhD in Special Education, and one may ask ' how did he become dean?' There was no reason behind why he fired or forced out the pharmacists except through false lies. The pharmacist weren't just Pharmacists, they were the student's mentors!

With that said....How the hell are students supposed to get their transcripts now since they Dr. Miyahara is gone now? Who is going to submit the OTC questions and Pharm Law questions for Cumulative Exam since Dr. Batz is gone now? What does that mean for the cumulative exam ?? 😕

One minute somebody is working here and the next minute, they are gone! I am not sure why they even fired or forced out the pharmacist that work there. Maybe it is greed of money.

The only PHARMACIST faculty left is Assistant Dean of Clinical Practice and only time will tell how long she will last.

Where do you think the money came from to build the Dental Program?? 😱 The money came from part of the pharmacy students tuition. 😡

Lisi - Is this is even right? Is this legal to just let somebody go or fire them for no reason?

 

[PharmAdvisor]

A little tidbit you may not be aware of... Dr. Miyahara had resigned several days before he was "fired."

 

[lisi]

All of you HICP student have no idea what dire straits you're in and how much money you -and your parents- are wasting. ACPE has told the school to withdraw their application. Without ACPE accreditation, you have no hope of sitting for any state board anywhere in the nation. No board exam - no license - no license - no way for you to practice pharmacy!

Most pharmacy schools actually get pre-canditate status BEFORE they admit any students. The "corporation" apparently thought you guys would be a quick source of income & then they could figure out how to run a pharmacy school as they went along. Well, HELLO! ACPE is THE governing body of pharmacy education. ACPE accredits not only pharmacy schools, but accredits continuing education providers (you have to have a certain number of CE hours each year to renew your pharmacy license). You don't screw around with these folks.


Your Dean is long gone and isn't coming back. Your acting Dean is an idiot and has no business of being in the position that he is in. What does he know about pharmacy education? NOTHING! Without a Dean, ACPE is going to send HICP packing in June. Reputable pharmacy schools do an extensive national search before hiring a dean - and I can't think of any school that has someone with NO PHARMACY background in this position.

Wake up and smell the coffee, guys. Get out before you waste any more money.

Just to add a little to this post---ACPE does not have the authority to shut down a college of pharmacy. They can only deny accreditation status, and can only do that if the college does not comply with accreditation standards. However, denying accreditation status can effectively shut down a school, since the lack of accreditation poses a significant risk to potential and current students, as PharmAdvisor so aptly pointed out above.

As I've posted before, I believe that it is VERY SIGNIFICANT that ACPE asked HICP to withdraw its application for candidate status. In ACPE-speak, that is very strong language. Additionally, I have heard through the grapevine that HICP will not be submitting a revised petition for candidate status to ACPE in June. I can't verify that, but if they don't resubmit, they won't be reconsidered. If they aren't reconsidered in June, the next time they could be considered would be January 2006. If their petition is accepted in January 2006, ACPE would authorize an on-site visit in Spring 2006 in order to evaluate the institution for purposes of actually granting candidate status. ACPE would make a determination about whether or not to actually grant candidate status in June 2006. That's the best-case scenario time-line as I see it, and if in fact, they don't intend to resubmit their application this June (actually, they should have already submitted their re-application, since the deadline for receipt of items for consideration at the June Council meeting would be 6-8 weeks in advance of the meeting).

Secondly, the other question that I would be asking (because I can guarantee you that ACPE is going to ask it) is what plans are in place for HICP to obtain regional accrediation? This is a newly enacted standard that HICP will need to be able to respond to with some fairly definitive plans. Also, new language adopted by ACPE states that "the Dean must be qualified to provide leadership in pharmacy education, research and scholarly activities, service, and pharmacy practice". Note that ACPE doesn't state that the Dean must be a pharmacist, but my interpretation would be that the Dean needs to have some understanding of the profession and education of pharmacy professionals.

Finally, I understand the notion by some students of a class-action lawsuit, but you also may want to consider what the Hawaii consumer protection agency may be able to do to help you.

 

[sharky2005]

So whats the latest news about HICP other than three known professors has gone? How many students have transferred out already.

 

[jdpharmd?]

So whats the latest news about HICP other than three known professors has gone? How many students have transferred out already.

I think "transferred out" is a misnomer. There is no pharmacy school in the US that will acccept their un-accredited first year curriculum credits, so it would be "withdrawing and re-applying elsewhere" if students wanted to leave HICP. I would guess that things happened too recently to allow for many of their students to get into this years admission cycle, so we probably won't hear many success stories (if any) until the 2006 admissions cycle.

 

[DayDreamer]

Lisi-

HICP will NOT submit an application for June. If they did submit this application, they would be on file and on the agenda for ACPE. Dr. Hasan, Interim Dean, had a meeting with ACPE sometime between May 12 to May 22, 2005. The story goes that he showed up to ACPE unannounced and with no appointment. Anything or any message he had brought back from ACPE, students are very weary to believe if it was true. The message that was brought to us from ACPE that was read by Scott Banks, our Chief Financial Officers. The students were very disturbed that Dr. Hasan would not address the students, so they ask him to come down to address the students. Even when Dr. Hasan was supposed to address the students, he always had a reason to avoid the students. Coincidence? I don't think so.

On the subject of Dr. Miyahara and Dr. Batz... Even though they have sent their resignation letters into the college, they still didn't finish off their thirty days. First off, Dr. Hasan had sent an e-mail out to students informing that a class has been cancelled from Drug Information to Introduction to Library and Information Sciences for six sessions (Pharm 500) If you ask me, I would not have paid $30,000 to take a course in Introduction to Library. After that e-mail came about, the students tried to e-mail Dr. Batz and could not e-mail him. The students knew something was terribly wrong and wanted answers to why Dr. Batz e-mail was disabled if he was not "fired" or "forced out" yet. Dr. Batz was probably disrespected and he didn't even know that his e-mail was shut off until somebody told him.

The next day, the students needed to figure out what Dr. Miyahara was going to do. Why wasn't he the Dean of the college? He does have a Pharm D. from UCSF plus experience and so on. After the students spoke to Dr. Miyahara, within 15 minutes, somebody dismissed him from the college just like that. They shut off his e-mail, phone, and took everything away from him. The students had no time trying to get his contact information so that they could keep in touch with him. Is that even right?

That is just part of the story of what the students are going through this year. Within seven months, about eight faculty/administrators have left or fired or forced out this college.

Let me just make this CLEAR so all the students outside or inside will understand. People on TOP of HICP school have left: Dr. Bhagavan, Dean; Dr. Pang, Associate Dean; Dr. Miyahara, Assistant Dean of Student Services and Admission; Dr. Batz, Associate Clinical Professor. I never knew the school could crumble so fast! Keep in mind that those weren't the only ones who are gone as well.

Even after all that commotion this week, Dr. Hasan mentioned that they have hired three new Pharm D to come to this school. Who hired these Pharm D? Dr. Miyahara hired these new Pharm D and you can only help but wonder how the new faculty will react when they realize that Dr. Miyahara is no longer with the college and that the students grew very fond of him. It's sad to know that the faculty that are gone have been the student's advisor.

This college is very very corrupt, unethical, and just plain sad.

 

[hicphelp]

Lisi-

HICP will NOT submit an application for June.

I would like to add HICP will not submit a revised petition in June because it is SO ADVISED BY ACPE. ACPE found HICP to be in no way ready to do so in June so they suggest the resubmission to be delayed at least until this year end when HICP may be in a better position to do so. This was formally announced by the school administrators in one of the school town hall meetings.

We will investigate further but Lisi could you elaborate on the consumer rights option.

Any suggestions/helps/comments on any similar class-action lawsuit in the past would be tremendously appreciated.

Thank you

 

[StephenChan UCI]

Do you guys think that if a class action law suit was to take place i could receive my deposist of 1000 dollars back. Early last march i was accepted and paid the deposit of 1000 dollars, but ended up not attending (thank god).

 

[BMBiology]

Any suggestions/helps/comments on any similar class-
action lawsuit in the past would be tremendously appreciated.

Ask your question here: http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/

Legal advise is free! You have to take the first step and discuss it with a lawyer.

 

[hicphelp]

Ask your question here: http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/

Legal advise is free! You have to take the first step and discuss it with a lawyer.

tks BMBiology.

this is what I found on http://bankrupt.com/CAR_Public/010718.mbx:

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CHAPMAN UNIVERSITY: 1995 Law Students Of Then Non-ABA School File Suit
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A class action lawsuit, brought by approximately 48 former law students
of Chapman University, is being heard in Orange County Superior Court
in Santa Ana, according to a recent report by the Los Angeles Times.

The plaintiffs claim that they were "conned" into enrolling, in 1995,
in a then-second-rate law school struggling for recognition and
accreditation in its first year of operation.

The former students, who say they dropped out of the law school halfway
through because they feared the experience with the troubled law school
-- particularly its failed attempts to win accreditation by the
American Bar Association -- would ruin their nascent law careers, are
seeking reimbursement for tuition, as well as payment of the hundreds
of thousands of dollars they might have earned had they graduated on
time, instead of having to transfer to other schools.

The suit also claims the school's officials tried to conceal the
accreditation problems to prevent students from leaving the school.

"The school wasn't friendly in its dealings with students, and it
wasn't ethical," said Steven Madison, one of several lawyers
representing the former students.

"In our state, it's against the law to lie to people to get their
money," Madison said.

The lawsuit, among other charges, claims the school lied when it
promised it would win accreditation easily and claimed that many of its
faculty members were among the finest legal scholars and many had been
named professor of the year.

Plaintiffs in the case declined to speak to a reporter, saying they
were so instructed by their attorneys. Some of them have become
lawyers; others picked other professions.

Law school officials deny these claims.

They insist they dealt honestly with the students; that the school
graduated the inaugural class on schedule; that it repaid more than $1
million in tuition fees to students who had grown nervous about the
school and wanted to quit.

Today, the law school has provisional accreditation from the ABA and
has an enrollment of more than 200 students.

"We believe the court will find no merit in this case," said Ruth
Wardell, a university spokeswoman.

"It's disheartening, though. Lawsuits are always a blemish. It's
particularly difficult to read about it when you are trying to recruit
students," he said.

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HICP students definitely have a very good case in hand. You can't imagine what we've been through in this school and how unethical the school is.

I don't think there can be remediation to the situation as it is corrupted from the top and everything has just been exposed recently.

Fellow students, let's take action.

 

[BMBiology]

seeking reimbursement for tuition, as well as payment of the hundreds of thousands of dollars they might have earned had they graduated ontime, instead of having to transfer to other schools.

28,000$ in tuition + 100,000$ annual salary of a pharmacist = 128,000$!! Payback is a B*tch! They are using your money, not to gain accreditation, but to start a dental school!!

These are the few 1st steps I would take:
(1) form a 5 member group of representives for the class action lawsuit
(2) collect everyone's contact information especially phone number
(3) document everything especially emails and misinformation on their website
(4) discuss it with an experienced lawyer regarding this matter
(5) ask him/her to contact the ACPE for documentation

 

[DayDreamer]

Another person was "fired" or "let go" yesterday. 😱 It was the Assistant for the Dean, Jimmy Kalakua. Since Hawaii is an "at will" state, everything is so messed up here because they can do that. It's not ethical but it is happening. I believe it's a one -man running the show now.

 

[GetLost_Hawaii]

Another person was "fired" or "let go" yesterday. 😱 It was the Assistant for the Dean, Jimmy Kalakua. Since Hawaii is an "at will" state, everything is so messed up here because they can do that. It's not ethical but it is happening. I believe it's a one -man running the show now.

Hey DayDream,
Is it true that Jimmy Kalakua "was fired" or "let go"? I didn't know...

 

[DayDreamer]

Hey DayDream,
Is it true that Jimmy Kalakua "was fired" or "let go"? I didn't know...

Yes, it is true. It just happened on Friday. Pretty sad huh? You should already know who did that was the Interim Dean. 😡

I don't even know what to think. Currently, some students are twisting the stories around trying to make Dr. Batz and Dr. Miyahara the bad guys which they are really not. There is no more good, honest pharmacist at HICP anymore. They have all gone.

 

[DayDreamer]

If you call Western Association of Schools and Colleges, you can see that HICP has not been very productive on trying to get regional accreditation.

http://www.wascweb.org/senior/

You can call the Contact Number on the website and ask for the director who can answer your questions about our progress on HICP status. I regret to say that there has been no progress.

 

[GetLost_Hawaii]

Yes, it is true. It just happened on Friday. Pretty sad huh? You should already know who did that was the Interim Dean. 😡

I don't even know what to think. Currently, some students are twisting the stories around trying to make Dr. Batz and Dr. Miyahara the bad guys which they are really not. There is no more good, honest pharmacist at HICP anymore. They have all gone.

What did Jimmy Kalakua do wrong to get fired? Do you know it exactly, DayDreamer?

 

[Caverject]

Another person was "fired" or "let go" yesterday. 😱 It was the Assistant for the Dean, Jimmy Kalakua. Since Hawaii is an "at will" state, everything is so messed up here because they can do that. It's not ethical but it is happening. I believe it's a one -man running the show now.

If this guy was support staff, people like him come and go all the time.

 

[Jeddevil]

The real question is, why are any of you HICP students still wasting any money over there on the island? You will not be able to transfer you credits. HICP won't get accredidation. So why are you still there?

 

[LVPharm]

The real question is, why are any of you HICP students still wasting any money over there on the island? You will not be able to transfer you credits. HICP won't get accredidation. So why are you still there?

Well, it's the end of the academic year...you might want to re-ask that question if, come September, there are students still there. It's not that easy to leave the islands...you can't just pack everything up in a U-Haul and evacuate right after finals. 😉 You've gotta ship your car and everything else back to the mainland.

 

[Caverject]

Well, it's the end of the academic year...you might want to re-ask that question if, come September, there are students still there. It's not that easy to leave the islands...you can't just pack everything up in a U-Haul and evacuate right after finals. 😉 You've gotta ship your car and everything else back to the mainland.

Do you think U-Haul offers one way moves in Hawaii?

 

[JennyRx2007]

Being a pharmacy student myself, I have a lot of sympathy for those students. The thought of finishing pharmacy school without being able to practice is a very scary thought and no one should have to go through this obstable. They deserve to become pharmacists in the future just like any other students in other accredited instituitions. Let's hope that everything will be ok for them !!! HICP students, I'll be praying for you guys 🙂

 

[rxforlife2004]

Being a pharmacy student myself, I have a lot of sympathy for those students. The thought of finishing pharmacy school without being able to practice is a very scary thought and no one should have to go through this obstable. They deserve to become pharmacists in the future just like other students in any other accredited instituitions. Let hope that everything will be ok for them !!!

Totally agree...

 

[Caverject]

Do you guys think that if a class action law suit was to take place i could receive my deposist of 1000 dollars back. Early last march i was accepted and paid the deposit of 1000 dollars, but ended up not attending (thank god).

And to think a year ago, you said this....

With all this hawaii pharmacy school bashing going on i believe that many of the remarks made by Caverject are uncalled for. I know many of you are trying to look out for us future pharmacy students.
BUT before posting anymore negative remarks about HICP please quit assuming HICP is gonna fail before it has even started.. this school is still in its early stages and like most other schools who are starting out, they need time to get things straight and organized. There is still 4 months till classes begin on OCT 4. All im saying is give this school a chance.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=126078&page=2&pp=20&


It's amazing that a year ago, people gave JDpharmD?, BMbiology, and myself such a hard time for acting like "asses" about HICP. Read on...

okay....this thread is getting out of hand. JDpharmd? and south....I respect the fact that you are voicing your opinions and that this is a public forum, but I think some of your comments are really unnecessary. YOu guys had some good information at the beginning and I admit, they are helpful. but now its just trash talking after trash talking. I can see why people are getting pissed off.....Even non HICP students are getting pissed. You guys give no respect to future students at HICP. I worked my ass off to get to where i am. How do hell do you know if HICP is the only school the students got into! I was accepted to 3 other pharmacy schools, and still waiting on some other school. so don't assume anything and don't write things if they are just about putting other people down that you don't even know. People don't disrespect your school so don't disrespect our's.

but this is the best post ever in defense of HICP.

I think you don't know what you are talking about. I just talked with the UH-Hilo people and they stated that they too have to go thru the same accreditation process just like HICP. HICP is only 3 yrs whereas UH-Hilo will require 4 yrs. Whether you are a private or pubic institution you have to go through accreditation no matter what.....

Again, there are no guarantees on their part-uh-hilo. Now, if they don't get accreditation..."no promise of such against a public debt that may not be possible to repay if things go wrong" (RXDOC05, 2004). What if UH-Hilo does not get accredited then what? No guarantees bud.....

You are missed informed...call yourself bradah hicp for the facts and not run you mouth...I did...and got educated...

I just found out that HICP has taken a strong legal stance of any mis-representation will be dealt on a civil case......they have monitored this site and will make such cases against anyone...so much for free speech.... (pharmdjd, 2004).

I would do the same if I were in their shoes....there is so much salmander on this site that most forget the true essences and nobility of what HICP is trying to do and achieve.....

😍

I wonder if that salmander was ever caught...

 

[LVPharm]

I think I can understand the stubborness and defensiveness you witnessed, C-ject. Have you ever been told something you wished weren't true (although deep down inside, you know it just might be)? I think everyone has had those sorts of emotions before. In order to steel yourself to take such a great risk as these students have, you have to buy into the promise...you have to believe in it. Shattering someone's beliefs can be tough on their ego...and I think a certain amount of defiance is a perfectly natural response. 😉

Imagine having to cope with strangers telling you that you just might have made a mistake that'll cost you (and your family) a substantial amount of money. Naturally, you might try to convince yourself otherwise.

 

[hancanada]

And to think a year ago, you said this....



http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=126078&page=2&pp=20&


It's amazing that a year ago, people gave JDpharmD?, BMbiology, and myself such a hard time for acting like "asses" about HICP. Read on...




but this is the best post ever in defense of HICP.



I wonder if that salmander was ever caught...

I can't believe that you remember these members's posts and tried to make fun of their opinions 1 year ago. It was one year ago when things at HICP were unclear. And its funny that you LAUGH at them....

 

[hiprayer]

We need help!! Please God Help us!!!!!!! We are like hostages! Cant go to anyone for help.... Cant really quit because we have so much money invested in this. Cant really pay again because I dont believe them.... Cant talk to anyone because I dont trust them.... Cant talk to my parents becuase they will be devestated. GOD YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN HELP US. WE MADE A MISTAKE BUT PLEASE DONT LET THIS HAPPEN TO ANYONE ELSE.

ACPE PLEASE PLEASE STEP IN AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS SITUATION. EVEN IF IT MEANS CLOSE IT DOWN SO WE DONT HAVE TO WONDER ANYMORE..............

I WANT TO BE A PHARMACIST MORE THAN ANYTHING IN THE WORLD BUT THIS IS NOT HOW TO DO THINGS. OUR PROFESSION REQUIRES ETHICS, MORALS, GOOD JUDGMENT, PROFESSIONALISM, KNOWLEDGE, AND PASSION.

PLEASE GOD I BEG YOU PLEASE HELP!!!

 

[LVPharm]

My word, this really is sad.

The younger sister of one of my friends, a classmate at USN is at HICP. The boyfriend of one of the staff pharmacists I did a rotation at (a wonderful mentor) is a student at HICP. I know that a few technicians at a hospital I interned at had spoken of going to HICP...don't know if they did or not...I hope not. That's why I haven't commented on this thread with any great regularity...because I know families involved in this, and I didn't want to look at the situation with great anticipation of a failure. I know that some of you look at this fiasco and think to yourselves "good ridance"...understandable if you have no personal connection to it whatsoever, as all you're thinking about is the impact on quality of pharmacy education. In the past few months, as the situation has come to this point, I now look at this and feel sadness for some of these people, and their families.

 

[hancanada]

We need help!! Please God Help us!!!!!!! We are like hostages! Cant go to anyone for help.... Cant really quit because we have so much money invested in this. Cant really pay again because I dont believe them.... Cant talk to anyone because I dont trust them.... Cant talk to my parents becuase they will be devestated. GOD YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN HELP US. WE MADE A MISTAKE BUT PLEASE DONT LET THIS HAPPEN TO ANYONE ELSE.

ACPE PLEASE PLEASE STEP IN AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS SITUATION. EVEN IF IT MEANS CLOSE IT DOWN SO WE DONT HAVE TO WONDER ANYMORE..............

I WANT TO BE A PHARMACIST MORE THAN ANYTHING IN THE WORLD BUT THIS IS NOT HOW TO DO THINGS. OUR PROFESSION REQUIRES ETHICS, MORALS, GOOD JUDGMENT, PROFESSIONALISM, KNOWLEDGE, AND PASSION.

PLEASE GOD I BEG YOU PLEASE HELP!!!

Hiprayer, GOD BLESS YOU and ALL HICP students!

 

[LVPharm]

PLEASE GOD I BEG YOU PLEASE HELP!!!

I just don't know how any of us can possibly help you out here, other than encourage you to seek legal counsel and determine what, if any, recourse is available to you and your classmates. As nikkai pointed out, there might be a legal precedent for you to hang your hat on (the case of Chapman University Law School)...but you'll have to speak with a lawyer to find out.

 

[GetLost_Hawaii]

Their new dental school will be opened next year, so there are a lot of victims like us....I think ACPE have to do something to prevent it...It is so suck to make money on students...The founders of HICP who are Dr. Criswell and Dr. Monroe did not show up anymore... 😡 😡 😡

 

[LVPharm]

Their new dental school will be opened next year, so there are a lot of victims like us....I think ACPE have to do something to prevent it...It is so suck to make money on students...The founders of HICP who are Dr. Criswell and Dr. Monroe did not show up anymore... 😡 😡 😡

As mentioned by lisi, ACPE does not physically close down programs...they effectively close them by denying accreditation. They've pretty much done what they could, in asking them to withdraw their application. Also, other than the legal route, you folks should check into any consumer protection agencies available to you in Hawaii, and see what recourse is available through them.

All HICP students on the forum: Please read the posts by lisi CAREFULLY. Believe me, this person is very well connected to the entire accreditation process as it pertains to ACPE. This person, as he/she previously mentioned, was one of the founders of NVCP/USN...and I can personally vouch for that. When a person with credentials like this is worried (and that's an understatement), you should be too.

 

[henderson]

C-Jet,

I am sad to know a person like you will be a pharmacist...a person who laughs at other people's misfortunes and misery. Would you be laughing infront of your dying patient? Do you consider yourself a compassionate person? I suggest you ask yourself that question before you become a pharmacist.