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[BlueSkyCA]

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Monroe has a master, not a doctor degree. Don't tell me he lie about that as well.

HICP students and HICP staff call him by Dr. Monroe

 

[BMBiology]

To my knowledge, Pacific Educational Services was founded by at least two individuals: one of which was the former librarian at NVCP and one of which was the former financial officer at NVCP. Neither of these individuals had any previous pharmacy school experience prior to their positions at NVCP or had any connection with pharmacy as a profession.

Scroll down: http://www.lis.uiuc.edu/gslis/people/alumni/newsletters/02_03/class_notes.html

"DAVID MONROE (MS '01) is head academic librarian for the Nevada College of Pharmacy." Note: this was printed in 2003.

LVPharm, please confirm this.

 

[LVPharm]

We used to refer to him as "Professor Monroe" because he taught a few classes in library research methods and strategy. We never referred to him as "Dr.". He may have gone on to other academic endeavors since then, but to my knowledge, he has an MS degree.

 

[hancanada]

Monroe has a master, not a doctor degree. Don't tell me he lie about that as well.

BMBiology, I just wonder how would you know he only has a master degree? Please share with us 🙂

 

[BMBiology]

Please ask the ACPE about the financial backers of HICP. I think from now on, I am just going to update on important information.

 

[LVPharm]

He earned his MS in Library and Information Science back in 2001. I believe he did this through UI Urbana Champaign's distance learning program, and I don't think they have distance learning for PhD's...I don't think that's even possible. Maybe he did something in Hawaii, worked on a dissertation over there, and got a PhD from a local university...in 4 short years...while working on a new pharmacy school. I don't know, and I won't speculate further.

 

[bananaface]

We had a similar situation at my school with an instructor who recently got her Pharm.D after being an RPH/MS for a long time. Our school's website was not up to date and everyone freaked out. It's definitely best to clarify before reacting.

 

[lisi]

He may have gotten an EdD, which would mean he could be legitimately be called "Dr.". I have heard, however, that he is teaching pharmacy law at HICP. That is quite interesting in that he is not a pharmacist, has not ever practiced pharmacy, would have had no reason to take a pharmacy jurisprudence examination nor does he have a JD. This is an example of a decision by HICP that would lead to concern from ACPE. ACPE requires all COPs to submit a list of faculty with their qualifications in order to ascertain the College's compliance with Standard 25 ("Faculty must possess the required professional and academic expertise, contemporary knowledge and abilities in current educational philosophy and techniques...)

I also have to take issue with 07pharmd post yesterday claiming that the curriculum at HICP has a very unique design ("We are learning in ways that haven't been taught before.") I've been an position to review official transcripts and course syllabi from HICP. There is nothing really unique about it. Bits and pieces of other programs, heavy reliance on much of what was done at USN, but without the background understanding or knowledge of the educational literature that led to the design of USN's curriculum. When there is a lack of understanding of the rationale and evidence-based educational philosophies upon which the curriculum is based, it leads to a huge disconnect in the implementation of the curriculum. I can give an aborigine a calculator and he can punch the buttons, but that doesn't mean the aborigine will be able to do arithmatic using the calculator.

 

[GetLost_Hawaii]

Actually, Dr. Orr taught Pharmacy Law a couple of hours.Then, Dr. Monroe took care the left, but he did not finish his teaching. Next, Dr. Batz is teaching Pharmacy Law, and sometimes he does not understand thoroughly material.

 

[DayDreamer]

So did Dr. Monroe violate any laws?

 

[JackBeanstalk]

One would imagine that if accreditation was to ever take place that particular course would need to be repeated.

 

[JackBeanstalk]

So did Dr. Monroe violate any laws?

Being unqualified to teach a course breaks many of guidelines set forth by any educational accreditation vehicles. Do you not think any law is broken?
well...probably not anything he'll get arrested for. This is just a lawsuit case builder if you ask me.

 

[ZhengYing]

As an HICP student I have 2 options.

Option 1
1) First, study hard and try to pass all my classes so I don't have to stay back for summer school (I miss home... 😀 )
2) Next, try to pass my cummulative exams (600 questions)! YIKES!!!
3) Defer my enrollment
4) Sell my car, TV, bed, etc and use that money to buy plane tickets
5) Head to north shore and spend a whole day in the sunshine 😎
5) Go back to Cali; obtain my tech license and work at a pharmacy to gain some experience (hey, maybe I'll find out pharmacy is not for me after all 😱 )
6) Apply to other pharmacy programs (i.e. Boston, Minnesota, New Mexico, Philly, etc..) and hope for the best!! 😀 :
5) Lastly, reflect back at the time I spent at HICP (mostly bad) 😡

Option 2
1) Do #1 and #2
2) Apply for their "silly" loan
3) Come back next year

I think I am gonna go with option 1, what do you think?

 

[goheel]

I think option #1 is a no-brainer, given the situation. Good luck! 🙂

 

[BMBiology]

option #3- discuss with a lawyer about the possibility of a class action lawsuit. Might as well spend your summer getting your money back.

FYI, most lawyers are willing to work for no fee. They will only get paid if you win the case.

You can post your case here: http://forum.freeadvice.com/

 

[GetLost_Hawaii]

option #3- discuss with a lawyer about the possibility of a class action lawsuit. Might as well spend your summer getting your money back.

FYI, most lawyers are willing to work for no fee. They will only get paid if you win the case.

You can post your case here: http://forum.freeadvice.com/

Do I have change to get my money back? Half of my money back is fine to me. I learn an expensive lesson.
I heard that Dr. Criswell plans to open new pharmacy in Kentucky. Can someone verify this information?

 

[BMBiology]

Do I have change to get my money back? Half of my money back is fine to me. I learn an expensive lesson.
I heard that Dr. Criswell plans to open new pharmacy in Kentucky. Can someone verify this information?

You guys have definately been lied to. Deception in business is grounds for a lawsuit. HICP is considered as a "business" because it is a for profit organization. The CEO of Enron lied to its employees and told them the company is doing fine and they should invest. When Enron collapsed, its employees filed a lawsuit! You guys do have a case but you need to take the first step and discuss it with a lawyer.

http://edworkforce.house.gov/democrats/wsjarticle.html
The Enron lawsuits, which have been consolidated, accuse the company, Mr. Lay, other Enron executives, the retirement plans' administrators, Northern Trust and others of misleading company employees by encouraging and in some cases requiring them to hold Enron stock in their retirement accounts, at a time when the stock price plummeted from an artificially inflated level

 

[hancanada]

Do I have change to get my money back? Half of my money back is fine to me. I learn an expensive lesson.
I heard that Dr. Criswell plans to open new pharmacy in Kentucky. Can someone verify this information?

The money must come from HICP student's first class tuition.
240 students x 28k

 

[jdpharmd?]

I heard that Dr. Criswell plans to open new pharmacy in Kentucky. Can someone verify this information?

I have a feeling that without either a superb program, a large university endorsement (i.e. new pharmacy school as part of UCLA, etc), or the ability to help an underserved population (i.e. Appalachia), there will be very few new pharmacy school openings that will ever get accredited. The gig is up, and the accrediting body (ACPE) has caught on. Why not go to one of the other 80+ established pharmacy schools that already exist?

 

[GetLost_Hawaii]

Why not go to one of the other 80+ established pharmacy schools that already exist?

I never go to any school without accreditation...This is a big mistake I have learned...

 

[goheel]

Even schools that have pre-candidate status have problems. Wingate is still not allowed to accept anybody this year due to their accreditation problem.

 

[TrojanAnteater]

I never go to any school without accreditation...This is a big mistake I have learned...

I think you gotta look at it carefully, but a school like UCSD, you know that pharmacy school is going to be good.

 

[Steady-State]

How many students do you need to get a class-action lawsuit going? Does anyone know where to get some legal advice?

 

[hancanada]

Even schools that have pre-candidate status have problems. Wingate is still not allowed to accept anybody this year due to their accreditation problem.

They got candidate status already.... what is the problem?

 

[ZhengYing]

If a school is given candidate status, what is the likelihood that it will attain accreditation as well? If HICP gets candidate status in summer 2006, is it worth coming back to give it another try or simply call it quits?

 

[hancanada]

If a school is given candidate status, what is the likelihood that it will attain accreditation as well? If HICP gets candidate status in summer 2006, is it worth coming back to give it another try or simply call it quits?

What makes you think they will get candidate status?

 

[hancanada]

"Additionally, Mr. Mark Richards, President of the Maryl Group, a Hawai’i based developer will develop the physical facilities in which the Hawai’i College of Pharmacy™ will be housed within the city of Kapolei. Construction for this exciting and innovative project is tentatively scheduled to begin early spring of 2004."

When it will be built?

 

[ZhengYing]

"Additionally, Mr. Mark Richards, President of the Maryl Group, a Hawai’i based developer will develop the physical facilities in which the Hawai’i College of Pharmacy™ will be housed within the city of Kapolei. Construction for this exciting and innovative project is tentatively scheduled to begin early spring of 2004."

When it will be built?

About a month ago at our townhall meeting, the faculty told us that ground-breaking will happen sometime this June. I just hope their plan will follow through this time... 🙄

 

[hancanada]

About a month ago at our townhall meeting, the faculty told us that ground-breaking will happen sometime this June. I just think if nothing happens by then, I guess we can call them liars

On the website they said in Spring 2004!

 

[ZhengYing]

On the website they said in Spring 2004!

They said it was hard to get city permit....blah! Actually, the told us ground breaking was to occur in January, but it didnt happen either. So now, they're telling us this June...they said the city and the state of Oahu is excited about this new building project.

 

[Caverject]

They[Wingate U] got candidate status already.... what is the problem?

The problem is that they do not have level V doctoral granting status from SACS, the Southern Association of Colleges and Schols. They have been advised not to take in anymore students until the matter is taken care of.


Edit: Sorry, should of been more clear

 

[BMBiology]

The problem is that they do not have level V doctoral granting status from SACS, the Southern Association of Colleges and Schols. They have been advised not to take in anymore students until the matter is taken care of.

It is not the SACS, it is the Western Association of Schools and Colleges (WASC). I, too, wonder why HICP seem not to accept any students (or very few students) this year.

 

[ZhengYing]

It is not the SACS, it is the Western Association of Schools and Colleges (WASC). I, too, wonder why HICP seem not to accept any students (or very few students) this year.

About 40 to 50 students that applied to HICP last year were placed on a waiting list. HICP accepted only 35-40 new students + the students on waiting list.

 

[BMBiology]

About 40 to 50 students that applied to HICP last year were placed on a waiting list. HICP accepted only 35-40 new students + the students on waiting list.

I don't trust the people that run HICP.

 

[bananaface]

I don't trust the people that run HICP.

Official "State the Obvious Day"?

I can't say that I disagree. 😉

 

[goheel]

It is not the SACS, it is the Western Association of Schools and Colleges (WASC). I, too, wonder why HICP seem not to accept any students (or very few students) this year.

I think he was talking about Wingate.

 

[Caverject]

I think he was talking about Wingate.

Sure was...I just edited it!

 

[sharky2005]

About 40 to 50 students that applied to HICP last year were placed on a waiting list. HICP accepted only 35-40 new students + the students on waiting list.

What about this year? What are the numbers for this year's admittance, waitlist? Are you a current student?

 

[hancanada]

What about this year? What are the numbers for this year's admittance, waitlist? Are you a current student?

Dr. Miyahara left the school today!

 

[DayDreamer]

What is going on at HICP.....

The Assistant Dean of Student Affairs and Admission got fired today because he talked to students. Isn't the job of the Assistant Dean is to address Student when they have concerns? 😱

One of the professors was also forced to leave the college as well because he would not pass cheaters!!! 😱

The question is why? After you figure out why it happened, you have to begin to ask yourself "is this even ethical?"

 

[hancanada]

What is going on at HICP.....

The Assistant Dean of Student Affairs and Admission got fired today because he talked to students. Isn't the job of the Assistant Dean is to address Student when they have concerns? 😱

One of the professors was also forced to leave the college as well because he would not pass cheaters!!! 😱

The question is why? After you figure out why it happened, you have to begin to ask yourself "is this even ethical?"

Do they care about the education? or care about $$$$$$$$$

 

[GetLost_Hawaii]

Yesterday (5/25/05) was a horrible day at HICP...I will never forget... 😡

 

[pharmaz88]

Yesterday (5/25/05) was a horrible day at HICP...I will never forget... 😡

please elaborate. 😕

 

[sharky2005]

Wow Wow!!!!

What the heck is going on? So now the shcool has no Dean AND assistant Dean? What will happen now since they lack of the main heads? Can the school still run w/out them?

 

[sharky2005]

What is going on at HICP.....

The Assistant Dean of Student Affairs and Admission got fired today because he talked to students. Isn't the job of the Assistant Dean is to address Student when they have concerns? 😱

One of the professors was also forced to leave the college as well because he would not pass cheaters!!! 😱

The question is why? After you figure out why it happened, you have to begin to ask yourself "is this even ethical?"

who is doing the firing?

 

[BMBiology]

HICP is considered as a "business" because it is a for profit organization. The CEO of Enron lied to its employees and told them the company is doing fine and they should invest. When Enron collapsed, its employees filed a lawsuit!

Enron employees win!!!
HOUSTON (Reuters) - Thousands of former Enron Corp. employees will share $85 million in insurance proceeds to compensate for pensions lost when the energy giant collapsed into bankruptcy, a federal judge ruled this week.
http://money.cnn.com/2005/05/25/news/newsmakers/scandal_enron_settlement.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes

Turn your disappointment and anger into action!

 

[drhemi70]

Sharky,
Think you shoud reconsider you apps to hicp. I feel for you that this is your only school, but I wouldn't invest that kind of money on a maybe. I think it would be wiser to just reapply to a few more schools next year and forget about hicp.
DR

 

[goheel]

Seriously sharky, if you still wanna go to HICP after all this, I got no sympathy for you.

 

[sharky2005]

Seriously sharky, if you still wanna go to HICP after all this, I got no sympathy for you.

I dont think thats possible anymore bc they have no dean nor assistant dean..who is gonna run the school.

 

[goheel]

I dont think thats possible anymore bc they have no dean nor assistant dean..who is gonna run the school.

sure it's possible to go to HICP. Just give them your money, and you're accepted. 😉