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I think starting with Pathoma might be a good idea, especially if you use a more detailed book afterwards, because you will be able to easily fill in the gaps
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I am doing Pathoma throughout MS2, doing the classes I am in as I go and reviewing stuff from M1 in my spare time. Anyone else use another source during the school year? Should I plan on doing RR during my dedicated step studying period?
I plan on using Goljan audio but I am only going to use it during gym time or waiting on the bus time.
I plan on using Goljan audio but I am only going to use it during gym time or waiting on the bus time.
Hey, I am one of those going through the videos during M2. At what point should I be rereading what I have watched and annotated? Do you all recommend this to be a weekly activity or something I should not worry about until dedicated study time?
Thanks!
Thanks!
I annotate everything pertinent he says at the start of each system, reread it later on in the test block if needed
Here's what I've been doing (and I think it's working really well in helping me understand/retain the material):
1) Read the Pathoma chapter first.
2) Watch the lecture at 1.0x and annotate into the book (and I take pretty extensive notes).
3) Re-read the Pathoma chapter, along with what I've annotated.
4) Read the corresponding section in RR Path.
5) Re-watch the Pathoma lecture at 1.4x or 1.7x (depending on how comfortable I am with the material).
(6) Then, the week before the exam, go over the Pathoma chapters and lecture handouts to pick up additional details covered in class, but that weren't found in Pathoma/RR.)
I also mix in Robbin's Review of Path and WebPath questions along the way (I usually do this when I'm eating). I don't generally go to class or stream class lectures, so studying in this manner doesn't take up as much of my day as it would if I did attend lecture.
I spread this out over the course of a week or two, so I'm seeing the same things everyday/every other day -- this spacing out helps me retain the info, IMO, much better and I wish I did that more with M1 year courses. It's been working out really well so far, IMHO, and not as time-consuming as I initially thought it might be -- doing Pathoma first, before going through RR, makes going through RR a lot quicker, since the conceptual foundation has already been laid down and all I'm really doing is picking up more details and looking at the pictures.
I only wish that Pathoma covered some other topics that classes and RR/Robbin's cover (ex. genetic diseases, nutritional/environmental diseases). It would be great if something like this existed for micro also! But CMMRS definitely helps out in that subject.
1) Read the Pathoma chapter first.
2) Watch the lecture at 1.0x and annotate into the book (and I take pretty extensive notes).
3) Re-read the Pathoma chapter, along with what I've annotated.
4) Read the corresponding section in RR Path.
5) Re-watch the Pathoma lecture at 1.4x or 1.7x (depending on how comfortable I am with the material).
(6) Then, the week before the exam, go over the Pathoma chapters and lecture handouts to pick up additional details covered in class, but that weren't found in Pathoma/RR.)
I also mix in Robbin's Review of Path and WebPath questions along the way (I usually do this when I'm eating). I don't generally go to class or stream class lectures, so studying in this manner doesn't take up as much of my day as it would if I did attend lecture.
I spread this out over the course of a week or two, so I'm seeing the same things everyday/every other day -- this spacing out helps me retain the info, IMO, much better and I wish I did that more with M1 year courses. It's been working out really well so far, IMHO, and not as time-consuming as I initially thought it might be -- doing Pathoma first, before going through RR, makes going through RR a lot quicker, since the conceptual foundation has already been laid down and all I'm really doing is picking up more details and looking at the pictures.
I only wish that Pathoma covered some other topics that classes and RR/Robbin's cover (ex. genetic diseases, nutritional/environmental diseases). It would be great if something like this existed for micro also! But CMMRS definitely helps out in that subject.
Just finished our first round of tests, and I did very very well (which I credit Pathoma). Here's my MS2 workflow:
During Term
1. Watch entire Pathoma section, annotating into the book.
2. listen to class audio and annotate onto syllabus
3. Make Anki flashcards for class lectures
4. Once I feel comfortable with flashcards, Robins Review Questions, looking up wrong answers in Big Robbins to understand why I missed it
Prep for test
1. Relisten to all pathoma, 1.7x, just listen and pay attention
2. Make sure I know Anki cards cold
I have BRS Path and Kaplan Q bank...and I dabble in multiple choice questions if I have time, but by that time, I am not missing questions that will on class tests. I will annotate Kaplan Questions into FA because they give references.
Notice how Pathoma was hit twice? It is awesome!
During Term
1. Watch entire Pathoma section, annotating into the book.
2. listen to class audio and annotate onto syllabus
3. Make Anki flashcards for class lectures
4. Once I feel comfortable with flashcards, Robins Review Questions, looking up wrong answers in Big Robbins to understand why I missed it
Prep for test
1. Relisten to all pathoma, 1.7x, just listen and pay attention
2. Make sure I know Anki cards cold
I have BRS Path and Kaplan Q bank...and I dabble in multiple choice questions if I have time, but by that time, I am not missing questions that will on class tests. I will annotate Kaplan Questions into FA because they give references.
Notice how Pathoma was hit twice? It is awesome!
Videos work fine for me. Try emailing Pathoma support, they are pretty quick to respond.
The most irritating thing about pathoma is when the videos don't work!! LIKE NOW!!!!
Support won't get back to you for hours to days.
And I have a very tight schedule!! Frustrating!!!!!
Support won't get back to you for hours to days.
And I have a very tight schedule!! Frustrating!!!!!
They dont work for me either. They worked fine ~8 hours ago so hopefully they will be back...
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Is it worth it to buy pathoma during ms1?
If neuro (with path) or microID or endocrine organ systems are being taught
If neuro (with path) or microID or endocrine organ systems are being taught
I agree, I forked the money up early so I could use it for the neuro shelf first year. I'd just go for it
Unless you're covering a significant amount of pathology/pathophysiology (ex. if you have a systems-based curriculum), Pathoma is a waste for M1 year. Granted, it's still pretty cheap even if you get the 21-month long subscription or whatever, but it's unlikely to be of much use for an M1. If you're worried about neuro, look into "Neuroanatomy through clinical cases" by Hal Blumenfeld. Excellent book. Very, very relevant for M1 year neuro and also covers a lot of neuropath.
I just have to compliment pathoma more...
I'm on my third pass through the videos (first pass after having completed all organ systems), and the information just keeps tying together in new ways with great little pieces of information popping up that went unnoticed/unremembered (even after annotating everything on my 2nd pass through).
<3<3<3 Sattar
I'm on my third pass through the videos (first pass after having completed all organ systems), and the information just keeps tying together in new ways with great little pieces of information popping up that went unnoticed/unremembered (even after annotating everything on my 2nd pass through).
<3<3<3 Sattar
Annotating what Sattar says into the pathoma book I mean, not FA. And I'm just starting my 3rd pass, only about 6 chapters into it. I've probably only read 1/3ish of FA, pretty much have only done it A) prior to starting a subject based block of qbank or B) if I feel I start to lose the big picture of what's going on in class or need a quick summary.
Just doing pathoma. I'm sure Goljan is great, but there's just too much in the way of resources to hit everything, and the consensus seems to be that pathoma is enough for path. I own it and have looked at it, and the bullet point format also isn't super appealing to me.
For qbanks, I've done about 500 q's from kaplan, and I'm averaging a little better than 80%. I do all the blocks subject based though, after reviewing the material, so that surely ups the percentage some from what it would be on random. Going to try to get through as much as I can over break then start up Rx on random during spring semester
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Sounds good.
I've going to do a 2nd run of pathoma. It's pretty sweet.
It actually has showed me how terrible medical education is when I learn something I've been tested on last semester. Med school tries to just teach memory instead of building the foundation to understand. Like all those white cell disorders... Tested on all that but didn't ever understand until after pathoma.
I did it before every block's organ during fall semester, and it really sucked when you could tell just how badly a certain topic was presented when you're making the first pass through the lecture notes. Particularly annoying when sources said different "facts." Now that that's more or less over with, pathoma can become the bible of factsCant say enough good things about pathoma. I make sure to know the pathoma chapter down cold before each of my exams in m2 and it has been really helpful. In terms of m1 however I don't really see it being very helpful. At least in my m1 year I know it would not have been of much use.
anyone know where i can BUY pathoma? because on amazon it's all sold out and that's the only place i know to buy my books because they ship them internationally(i don't live in the US). So...anyone knw of a good bookstore that ships internationally? 😀
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It depends on how you learn as an individual. Some people can't fathom not taking notes, because the process of writing (and, optionally, reviewing later) is part of the way they learn. If you've found that taking notes isn't helpful for you (and it certainly isn't for some), then don't waste your time taking notes. You've been through over a decade of school now; do what's best for you.
Th information is essential. Whether you need to write it down is up to you
Yeah I think the general consensus is that you'll probably need to look at another source for neuro. I'm just planning on reading RR and then using FA for step 1 neuro studying.
I took it back in June, and I felt that Pathoma was enough for path. I used it as my sole resource because I didn't like Goljan's videos and Rapid Review was way too much. I used the path in FA as supplement to Pathoma, but there was very little in FA that was not covered by Pathoma. It's a great resource. I have a lot of friends who also used it as their sole resource for path, and they all performed very well.
Thanks, this is what I'm afraid of. When people answer my question, I try to see what they write. Most have been saying just that - "enough". I was hoping somebody would say - "more than enough", lol just for reassurance. I remember when I took my CBSSA I could confidently tell the underclass that Kaplan Pharm was "more than enough" of a resource to use for prep. 🙂
I was thinking of reading the first 9 chapters from Goljan, his audio, Pathoma, and FA path to cover up the loose ends. I feel that Pathoma doesn't completely dive into the mcc of majority of the things, whereas RR does.
Same here, if anybody has a coupon code I would really appreciate it! Thanks!!!
Enough is not a bad thing. When I said "enough", I meant that Pathoma covered grounds for pretty much everything on the exam. For me, Goljan's RR would be in the "more than enough" category which is why I didn't use it because it has whatever is on the exam plus unnecessary information. There will always be a few random questions on the exam that aren't covered by Pathoma and even RR. If you do all of UW, Pathoma, and FA, those resources combined will definitely be more than enough to do well on the exam. If you have time and energy for RR, that's great too.
How many passes of Pathoma do you plan on making?
Has anyone found a circulating version of the manuscript *other* than the one with 5billion typos / odd character substitutions? Thanks~
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Really? It doesn't explain the murmurs as well as Goljan or FA but I can't remember doing a Kaplan CV pathology question yet where the answer wasn't in Pathoma somewhere.
yeah, that's what I meant--what is contained within the cardio is good, but what is not mentioned is frustrating. also he doesn't seem to integrate the physio much, which is heavy in cardio.
Edit: Forgot to mention that while there are mentions of pericardial diseases, tamponade/pulsus paradoxus should have at least a few sentences dedicated to it.
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Yea, I thought cardio in Pathoma was pretty good too. Except for missing pericardial diseases. I don't know why that was left out. I was also kinda surprised that he spent all of 5 minutes on heart failure -- definitely went to Lilly's for that. I read most of Lilly's during our cardio block -- while it was definitely a good read, I think Pathoma did a good job picking out the important/high-yield stuff from Lilly's. Lilly does give you a better understanding of "why" something happens though, since it covers a lot of normal physio also.
I wanted to use this method and I see that this + goljan audio is they way to go. For "Path" but what are all the resources I need in general for step one studying? im trying to get my plan going. I was intially doing the Taub method but I think these other methods are better for me. Can someone please tell me everything I need?
Goljan audio
Pathoma
First Aid
USMLE world qbank
Kaplan qbank?
somebodys Rx flash cards??
I basically need a break down of everything I need to to go over for step one.. I cant really find all the info in one spot and I need something concrete.
Please if anyone could help
Goljan audio
Pathoma
First Aid
USMLE world qbank
Kaplan qbank?
somebodys Rx flash cards??
I basically need a break down of everything I need to to go over for step one.. I cant really find all the info in one spot and I need something concrete.
Please if anyone could help
