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I'm hanging the shingle for another recruitment season. You'll find my threads/posts from past years, but feel free to post questions here.
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Do you screen the applications in terms of USMLE scores? Step 1, 2, and/or 3?
Thanks for taking the time to provide insight and help alleviate some anxiety
Thanks. I'll bite - if one is really interested in a program, and is interviewing at other programs in that city, is it appropriate to call a program coordinator around this time and ask about the status of your application? How about asking them to see if it can be reviewed so you can pool the interviews together?

Do you screen the applications in terms of USMLE scores? Step 1, 2, and/or 3?
Thanks for taking the time to provide insight and help alleviate some anxiety

I'm not a PC but I am reviewing apps (in a different specialty). The answer, at least in my program, is "sort of." Some programs will have hard Step cutoffs, although this is less common than in residency apps. Others will have soft cutoffs (any Step >2XX). Others (like mine) only screen on passing Steps 1 and 2 on the first try.
That said, Step scores make up 20% of our 2nd pass analysis on who to interview. As an example...after screening out all applicants who needed visas (we still had almost 300 for 3 spots), we then screened on any Step failure and a few other things and got down to ~100. That group is the one for whom their Step scores will make a difference in deciding on interviews...along with a bunch of other stuff.
"we then screened on any Step failure and a few other things"
Do you mind sharing what specifically a "few other things" may be?
Just exactly what you might expect.
No Carib grads
Significant gaps in training or need to repeat classwork
Bad LORs
All this is just what my program does though...others will do more or less than this.
Isn't it common that a lot of programs will already know 1 or even several internal candidates that they will take?
Do the programs just go through the match and rank them 1,2,3...or what ever and then rank everybody else? Or do they just offer them spots outside the match?
Along those same lines, isn't it fair to say that if there are lets say 5 cardiology spots available at a program, the program may have already decided on 3 internal candidates so there are really only 2 available to outside candidates even before the match?
Are there actually candidates who have BAD LOR's????
I would think that everyone only asks people for LOR's who they know will write good ones. Why would an applicant ask someone to write a LOR who they don't think would write a strong one? Not only that, a lot of letter writers will tell an applicant they don't think they can write a good one as a courtesy so they can find another writer.
How common is it to find a bad LOR?
It even seems like LOR's must become a formality after reading so many because everyone has good things said about them and it is harder to distinguish candidates when every single one has good things written about them. I mean come on, not every candidate can walk on water and make the deaf hear and cure floods in 3rd world countries, but after reading some of those letters, it probably seems like they can.
Yes! The rare artifact...bad LOR. That's when you know not to touch that candidate with a ten foot pole. I've only seen two truly negative LORs in the last decade or so. Only pretty heinous behavior will earn a prejudicial letter.
My program also requires MSPE. A bad LOR will usually be supported by that, too.
Just to be clear...a neutral LOR is basically a bad LOR IMHO.
And we too require the MSPE and it is also one of the screening tools we use.
ProgCoordinator, when USMLE scores are screen, do you screen them individually, or are you able to screen the average of the scores? Alternatively, you can screen it so that all 3 scores have to be >200, for example?

I have one for you, but it may be a bit "inside baseball." For the applicants I was given to review, I received a nice tidy little PDF file containing their entire (I assume) ERAS file. Is that something ERAS does automagically for you or did our PC have to waste countless hours manually "printing to PDF" the entire file or worse, print each separate file to PDF and then manually concatenate them?
I now return you to your regularly scheduled, relevant questions.
Are applicants who submit their file the day it opens (7/15) at a greater advantage of being granted an interview over say someone who submits their application on 8/5?
Are applications constantly being reviewed as they come in or are they reviewed early and if all interview dates are filled, even if a qualified applicant gets their file in a couple weeks later they may be rejected?
Thanks for taking the time to answer.
Are applicants who submit their file the day it opens (7/15) at a greater advantage of being granted an interview over say someone who submits their application on 8/5?
Are applications constantly being reviewed as they come in or are they reviewed early and if all interview dates are filled, even if a qualified applicant gets their file in a couple weeks later they may be rejected?
Thanks for taking the time to answer.

Hey ProgC, thank you for being available and devoting your time to answer our questions. I am not sure if it would be a fair question for you but I am wondering if this interview invitation season is coming to a close. In the "other subspecialties" sections, we have noticed a lull in the last 1-2 weeks. Some programs have their interview slots booked solid. My question is, is this the end of the first wave and is there going to be a second wave?
The only other certainty is that all internal residents will be granted interviews.
What if there is that one guy (or girl) that just sucks - and didn't/won't take the hint (up to and including being told "don't apply"), and does apply, who is an internal candidate? Will you still burn the interview spot for something that is, essentially, pro forma? Or is there some very faint hope that the turd will turn around?
It wouldn't be every year, but I would expect one every 3 to 5 years that get a "not recommended" stamp.
There are still some programs that have not downloaded apps yet. What could it mean that 4 weeks in to the application and they have not opened it yet?
Does this mean they start reviewing apps later? (wishful thinking)
or .......Does it mean that they have finished reviewing apps and are done with handing out interviews? (pessimistic thinking)
Thanks again for all your help.
Now that it's a good month into this shorter application cycle,
1) Is it ok to email a program coordinator enquiring about the status of your application even though no one has posted that they have received an invite from them so far? (Only the one you are really interested of course, not all of them)
2)Is it ok to ask a PC from a program which you know from this forum, sent others invites and rejections but you didn't receive anything?-I am assuming I am in a maybe pile. If I enquire does that increase my chances of being noticed in case of cancellations esp if I say I am from that region?

Thanks PC for stopping by to help all of us out!
One question I had was in regards to "updates" on the status of applications. There are particular programs that I have been interested in which have already sent out invites and rejections. For better or worse, I've received neither, but would certainly like for the program to have as much information as possible (ie...a project that was initially listed as "submitted" on ERAS was ultimately accepted to a conference)
Just trying to see what sort of timeline would be appropriate, since these programs interview spots are presumably already filling up.
Thanks!

Thanks for your input PC. I'm curious how much priority you give to the following "lesser" discussed applicant characteristics: 1. chief resident 2. AOA. Does the presence/absence of these ever make or break an applicant's chance at interviewing/matching? Do you know of other programs that give special priority to either of these?

Although a candidate with CMR and/or AOA will get extra points (either figuratively or formally), these are points equal to those that top candidates can earn without either designation. While all programs will certainly take notice of these accomplishments, these factors alone would rarely make or break whether a candidate will be invited to interview.
This is a process with very few cut and dry black and white situations. Out of hundreds of applications, only a small fraction will be slamdunks on paper. Like 2% or lower.
Bear in mind that, once we get to interviews, the value of a slamdunk-on-paper can plummet if they end up being dingle in person.
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Thankyou so much for taking the time out to help out stressed out candidates...
My question to you is regarding Step 3 scores.
How much do they matter? If someone failed on their first attempt in Step 3, but cleared on their second attempt with not such good scores, then what are the chances of that candidate being screened out during the selection process? This is with everything else in the competitive category, that is step 1 and 2 scores, posters, LOR's...
2-3 business days seems reasonable...but I'm totally making that up.so if I got an interview offer, and emailed the PC back for times, when is it appropriate to recontact the PC? i don't want to sound too pushy, but i also dont want my name to get lost in the fold.
I have no idea. We have made our list, but I'm not the one who actually sends the invites.also gutonc, has your program sent out all of the interview invites yet?
so if I got an interview offer, and emailed the PC back for times, when is it appropriate to recontact the PC? i don't want to sound too pushy, but i also dont want my name to get lost in the fold.
also gutonc, has your program sent out all of the interview invites yet?

Had a few quick questions:
In the case where an applicant applies to a program:
1)If an applicant is not invited to an interview, is his/her application discarded or is it kept in a file?
2)If an applicant is invited to an interview and cancels the interview (within a reasonable time within 2 weeks, and not 1 day ahead of the interview), is his/her application discarded or is it kept in a file?
3)If an applicant goes to an interview and does not match to that program, is his/her application discarded or is it kept in a file?
Thanks!

Was also wondering if taking a year off to do hospitalist work hurt my chances for cardiology fellowship or if it doesn't matter?

Thankyou so much for taking the time out to help out stressed out candidates...
My question to you is regarding Step 3 scores.
How much do they matter? If someone failed on their first attempt in Step 3, but cleared on their second attempt with not such good scores, then what are the chances of that candidate being screened out during the selection process? This is with everything else in the competitive category, that is step 1 and 2 scores, posters, LOR's...

Slow down and pay attention to what PC wrote. Not everybody will discard your app because of the Step 3 fail. Those that don't, will still look at the rest of your app and, if it's a solid as you claim it is, will review it as such.Thanks Prog Coordinator,
But if everybody just discards the application once they see the "fail", then how can I still be a viable candidate????
And if somebody say does decide to call for an interview, by overlooking the step 3 result, and say the interview goes fabulously, and they love the candidate, then how much would the step 3 result matter during their final selection ranking???
Please help....
Thanks Prog Coordinator,
But if everybody just discards the application once they see the "fail", then how can I still be a viable candidate????
And if somebody say does decide to call for an interview, by overlooking the step 3 result, and say the interview goes fabulously, and they love the candidate, then how much would the step 3 result matter during their final selection ranking???
Please help....
What are the most important questions we should be prepared to answer during interviews at large, academic programs?
What are the faculty looking for in candidates during their interview days?
How are candidates evaluated/scored based on their interview performance?
Thank you both so much for your insight and answering our questions.
