PCAT Problems?!

[hollynbaby]

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Does anyone know where I could go to lodge a complaint with Hartcort about the exam facilities as well as the proctors? I took the test yesterday (jan 22) and was mortified by the location as well as the behavior of the proctors.


The desks in the exam location were not even big enough for the answer sheet to fit on. 1/4 of the answer sheet wasn't on the desk, if that makes any sense. It was very very very small 😡 . The proctors let 2 people in after 9 am (when we were getting ready to start the exam) and we had to wait for them to fill in their name, etc. During our break the proctors let people talk on their cell phones. The proctors also let people have their cell phones on vibrate, so of course everyone's phones were going off during the test.

AND the dude next to me was cheating. He continued to write the essay while the proctor was collecting test booklets. And right before our break, he had his book open and was looking @ the quant section!!!


Grrr!!! 😡 🙁

 

[Slangindempillz]

Does anyone know where I could go to lodge a complaint with Hartcort about the exam facilities as well as the proctors? I took the test yesterday (jan 22) and was mortified by the location as well as the behavior of the proctors.


The desks in the exam location were not even big enough for the answer sheet to fit on. 1/4 of the answer sheet wasn't on the desk, if that makes any sense. It was very very very small 😡 . The proctors let 2 people in after 9 am (when we were getting ready to start the exam) and we had to wait for them to fill in their name, etc. During our break the proctors let people talk on their cell phones. The proctors also let people have their cell phones on vibrate, so of course everyone's phones were going off during the test.

AND the dude next to me was cheating. He continued to write the essay while the proctor was collecting test booklets. And right before our break, he had his book open and was looking @ the quant section!!!


Grrr!!! 😡 🙁

I'm sorry, I know that must have been horrible.

But I would probably just try another testing center next time(if possible). I think you could complain to harcourt, but I just think that more would happen by you taking that sort of action(trying another testing center) rather than making a complaint.

Again, I don't want what I am saying to come off like I am telling you to quit complaining, because I have no idea what that is like. I'm just not sure how much change you will see after making a complaint to harcourt. But If it would give you satisfaction I guess you could.

 

[hollynbaby]

Again, I don't want what I am saying to come off like I am telling you to quit complaining, because I have no idea what that is like. I'm just not sure how much change you will see after making a complaint to harcourt. But If it would give you satisfaction I guess you could.

No, I didn't get the impression you were telling me to stop complaining. My personal theory is that how will places/people/companies know that people are unhappy if they don't know about it?

 

[rxlynn]

Does anyone know where I could go to lodge a complaint with Hartcort about the exam facilities as well as the proctors? I took the test yesterday (jan 22) and was mortified by the location as well as the behavior of the proctors.


The desks in the exam location were not even big enough for the answer sheet to fit on. 1/4 of the answer sheet wasn't on the desk, if that makes any sense. It was very very very small 😡 . The proctors let 2 people in after 9 am (when we were getting ready to start the exam) and we had to wait for them to fill in their name, etc. During our break the proctors let people talk on their cell phones. The proctors also let people have their cell phones on vibrate, so of course everyone's phones were going off during the test.

AND the dude next to me was cheating. He continued to write the essay while the proctor was collecting test booklets. And right before our break, he had his book open and was looking @ the quant section!!!


Grrr!!! 😡 🙁

Well, I think you might try just calling their 1-800 number and asking to speak with someone who could take a complaint about your specific test site. I'm not even sure that you would have to identify yourself beyond that if you didn't want to. (Although I doubt you would get anywhere complaining about the cheater).

I can tell you that when I took it, the proctor was very upfront that no cell phone usage was allowed in any form, and that we should turn the phones completely off because he would remove us immediately and we would not be allowed to finish if our phone went off in the middle of the test. Also, they need to know if there is a desk size problem. That was one of my concerns as well going into the test, because when I took the PTCB exam we were in an auditorium with the little half desks and it was a problem. Fortunately, my PCAT site had full-size desks.

 

[hollynbaby]

Well, I think you might try just calling their 1-800 number and asking to speak with someone who could take a complaint about your specific test site. I'm not even sure that you would have to identify yourself beyond that if you didn't want to. (Although I doubt you would get anywhere complaining about the cheater).

I can tell you that when I took it, the proctor was very upfront that no cell phone usage was allowed in any form, and that we should turn the phones completely off because he would remove us immediately and we would not be allowed to finish if our phone went off in the middle of the test. Also, they need to know if there is a desk size problem. That was one of my concerns as well going into the test, because when I took the PTCB exam we were in an auditorium with the little half desks and it was a problem. Fortunately, my PCAT site had full-size desks.

I think I was most shocked that the proctor let people talk on their cell phones during the break. I was under the impressiont this was PROHIBITED. Some people didn't take the test until 2:30 on Saturday, so these people could have been calling each other to get information!!!! 😡

 

[calrx]

I had a desk issue as well. My desk was 1/2 the size it should be and my booklet kept falling off. It was very distracting and very annoying.

 

[shoppe]

Talk about crzy proctor. I had 3 proctors in the room. YOu would think that this would speed up the process but no, they were so freaking slow. One of the ladies took her time reading the direction. The other one watched us while the third one went from desk to desk to check our id's. There were 3 Vietnamese in the room all with the same last name, Nguyen. Nguyen is probably the most common Vietnamese last name, just like Smith to Americans. But anyway, she checked one of them and kept asking how u pronounce it. Then she went to another row and saw other viet with the same last name. She thought she made a mistake so she went back to the other one. Then, when she saw a 3rd person with the same last name, she was bewildered. "Wow, what are the odd!" She went back and forth among them, checking, and rechecking. I meant, she was slow period in checking our Id's. After we went back from the fire drill, she checked our Id's again and the other old lady wanted to read the instruction again. heheh Some of us were like "NO! U did them already!" It was almost 1 this time and we had 3 more sections to go. No one really wants them reading the instruction again. They did check our Id's though.

Oh yeah, one thing pissed me off was that I got cheap ass number 2 pencils. The erasers are cheap so the more I erase, the more it smears my darn scandron. It was frustrating, I tell u! Ok, lesson learned. Imma do it better in June. Now, I got a semester of work to take care of. I can't wait to see my score, even though i know it's probably bad. Still, I'm anxious.

 

[FungManX]

My proctor was pretty stupid too same things happened, we had a cheater, and he got only a warning!
I thought they would remove the exam from the person immediately .. I was pretty pissed when they didn't kick him out (he was looking at other sections before the current one was over)

Also.. another side complaint... my proctor farted during quant... screwed the entire room up on time

 

[starsweet]

I have to ask, how did that screw everyone up on time? That really sucks! Ewww.

 

[taken2]

Does anyone know where I could go to lodge a complaint with Hartcort about the exam facilities as well as the proctors? I took the test yesterday (jan 22) and was mortified by the location as well as the behavior of the proctors.


The desks in the exam location were not even big enough for the answer sheet to fit on. 1/4 of the answer sheet wasn't on the desk, if that makes any sense. It was very very very small 😡 . The proctors let 2 people in after 9 am (when we were getting ready to start the exam) and we had to wait for them to fill in their name, etc. During our break the proctors let people talk on their cell phones. The proctors also let people have their cell phones on vibrate, so of course everyone's phones were going off during the test.

AND the dude next to me was cheating. He continued to write the essay while the proctor was collecting test booklets. And right before our break, he had his book open and was looking @ the quant section!!!
Grrr!!! 😡 🙁

You ****ing need to stop complaining. You are concerned someone will score higher than you right? I hate when people behave like ****. Looking back to a previous section though not allowed during the exam to me is not cheating.
I did that too in the Reading Com. section because I first answered all the questions on my exam booklet but ran out of time as I was transfering the answers into my answer sheet. You don't expect me to turn in my exam sheet without bubbling 25 questions I already have answers to. Hell no! I don't want to RETAKE pcat ever again. This is my second and last time. To me that is not cheating.
About the proctor, you have to accept that there are all kinds of people around. So quit complaining and just wait for your result to come out. 😛

 

[hollynbaby]

You ****ing need to stop complaining. You are concerned someone will score higher than you right? I hate when people behave like ****. Looking back to a previous section though not allowed during the exam to me is not cheating.
I did that too in the Reading Com. section because I first answered all the questions on my exam booklet but ran out of time as I was transfering the answers into my answer sheet. You don't expect me to turn in my exam sheet without bubbling 25 questions I already have answers to. Hell no! I don't want to RETAKE pcat ever again. This is my second and last time. To me that is not cheating.
About the proctor, you have to accept that there are all kinds of people around. So quit complaining and just wait for your result to come out. 😛

The point of standardized tests is to see how well you can do under pressure and time constraints. The PCAT should be adminstered more like the MCAT where you only get one section at a time and can't go forward/backward to prevent cheating.

Proctors should administer the test in the way Harcourt has instructed them to in order to prevent cheating and improper testing to allow everyone equal footing on the exam. 😡

 

[wheelsonfire]

[I did that too in the Reading Com. section because I first answered all the questions on my exam booklet but ran out of time as I was transfering the answers into my answer sheet. You don't expect me to turn in my exam sheet without bubbling 25 questions I already have answers to. Hell no! I don't want to RETAKE pcat ever again. This is my second and last time. To me that is not cheating.
[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry, but that is cheating. You're lucky you didn't get caught and you shouldn't talk about your actions on this site. 👎
Part of the test is completing each section within the time limit and that includes filling in the answers. Consider yourself lucky.

 

[ndearwater]

You ****ing need to stop complaining. You are concerned someone will score higher than you right? I hate when people behave like ****. Looking back to a previous section though not allowed during the exam to me is not cheating.
I did that too in the Reading Com. section because I first answered all the questions on my exam booklet but ran out of time as I was transfering the answers into my answer sheet. You don't expect me to turn in my exam sheet without bubbling 25 questions I already have answers to. Hell no! I don't want to RETAKE pcat ever again. This is my second and last time. To me that is not cheating.
About the proctor, you have to accept that there are all kinds of people around. So quit complaining and just wait for your result to come out. 😛

That is definitely cheating. That's why you should answer and bubble as you go or at least in block sections. When they call "Five minutes"... that is your cue to start bubbling.

 

[Novasaurus]

You don't expect me to turn in my exam sheet without bubbling 25 questions I already have answers to. Hell no! I don't want to RETAKE pcat ever again. This is my second and last time. To me that is not cheating. 😛

Well, that is cheating...and I do expect you to turn in your exam without bubbling 25 questions you already have answers to. If you didn't have time to bubble in the answers it means you took too long reading the passages and figuring out the answers to the questions. Bubbling in answers is part of the exam, and if you run out of time tough luck for you.

 

[taken2]

You all can call it what you like, I don't care.

 

[TMVegas]

We are supposed to be ethical health professionals. That said, people should not be cheating on the tests and it should not be allowed by the PCAT people. It is timed for a reason. Going back to fill in answers after the time is up gives you an unfair advantage and therefore is cheating.

 

[Slangindempillz]

You all can call it what you like, I don't care.

I wouldn't go back and actually look at the section and and decide on answers to the questions that I didn't get done with, but If I was bubbling in answers(guessing), and they called time, I would make sure that I had an answer marked for every question.

I made sure I wasn't in this situation by finishing in time, but I would make sure that I had an answer down for every question, regardless of whether time was called or not.

You gotta do what you gotta do.

 

[FungManX]

I have to ask, how did that screw everyone up on time? That really sucks! Ewww.

Well.. someone burst out laughing.. and then a cascade effect happened where everyone started laughing for a good 10-30 seconds. (this was near the beginnig of the exam)

And apparently it turned out that everyone would have done at least another question with those 10 seconds... they were really necessary!

 

[ndearwater]

You ****ing need to stop complaining. You are concerned someone will score higher than you right? I hate when people behave like ****. Looking back to a previous section though not allowed during the exam to me is not cheating.
I did that too in the Reading Com. section because I first answered all the questions on my exam booklet but ran out of time as I was transfering the answers into my answer sheet. You don't expect me to turn in my exam sheet without bubbling 25 questions I already have answers to. Hell no! I don't want to RETAKE pcat ever again. This is my second and last time. To me that is not cheating.
About the proctor, you have to accept that there are all kinds of people around. So quit complaining and just wait for your result to come out. 😛

Please be polite when addressing other users. Thank you.

 

[LittleMissB]

It totally is cheating and what goes around comes around. People who think they're getting away with it now will definitely suffer in profound ways later. Well... I do agree with the comment about finding a new test center. Some places suck and we just have to deal with it. I read in my school newspaper tips on selecting a test center and that community colleges typically have larger desks (than for instance big universities that have auditoriums that sit 400 or so people) so perhaps you can try one of those test sites if desk size is a concern. However about the proctors, you definitely should speak up about it to Harcourt! I'm all about getting people who aren't proficiently performing their duties FIRED. In fact I've done it a couple of times and it was great and they deserved it .

 

[bdl1411]

It totally is cheating and what goes around comes around. People who think they're getting away with it now will definitely suffer in profound ways later. Well... I do agree with the comment about finding a new test center. Some places suck and we just have to deal with it. I read in my school newspaper tips on selecting a test center and that community colleges typically have larger desks (than for instance big universities that have auditoriums that sit 400 or so people) so perhaps you can try one of those test sites if desk size is a concern. However about the proctors, you definitely should speak up about it to Harcourt! I'm all about getting people who aren't proficiently performing their duties FIRED. In fact I've done it a couple of times and it was great and they deserved it .

What profound suffering do you speak of?

 

[bigalaz1]

That's funny that the proctor blasted one during the test, I would have laughted my @ss off! There was a point during the middle of one of the sections where I had to do the same but held back. I have to admit that there was much temptation to let loose with authority just to see the response of the huge group. I didn't do it, however. Oh well, maybe next time!! 🙂

 

[LittleMissB]

What profound suffering do you speak of?

I think if you get away with it, you get away with it. I wanted to cheat like no other, but..the most I did was randomly bubble in some blanks after time ran out...never looked back though. But I still think I cheated a little bit. I don't think I am going to suffer in profound ways. Maybe if you are talking about people who make it a habit of cheating and habitually cut corners and do things the wrong way...yeah, the odds of them suffering later from getting caught based on the number of times they've done it are increased...but if you are subscribing to the whole karma thing- BS.

In the end, I know I am capable and smart enough to be a pharmacist. I am not going to go through time drills of math and chemistry once I graduate..I have to have knowledge and store it..and I can..but I don't have to be a speed thinker, so I think the time constraints are not relevant to determing if someone is worthy, but oh well...anyway...if my goal is to get into school and I am capable of performing the job, and the only way to do that is to pass the demon test that is the PCAT, I'd be all for cheating if I could do it, get away with it..etc..I'd feel guilty..but life's about survival.........and that is what I'm not going to write or say on my pharmacy interview.

I should also add that I NEVER cheat on tests as far as looking off someone else's paper or writing answers on my hand. The most I've ever done was stored a formula in my calculator on a calc test...I'm more of the stretch the boundaries cheater..not hardcore, immoral, no respect for learning cheater.

Well integrity is one of the important attributes to possess as a future healthcare professional. Those who cheat clearly don't believe in it, are dishonest, and have weak ethics. Let's see where that gets a person as a future pharmacist... Probably audited, put on probation, who knows.

 

[taken2]

I wouldn't go back and actually look at the section and and decide on answers to the questions that I didn't get done with, but If I was bubbling in answers(guessing), and they called time, I would make sure that I had an answer marked for every question.

I made sure I wasn't in this situation by finishing in time, but I would make sure that I had an answer down for every question, regardless of whether time was called or not.

You gotta do what you gotta do.

You perfectly understand. Some of these people pretend as if they wouldn't do the same if they find themselves in the same situation. I know I am smart, maybe not a fast test taker. I didn't look off of anybody's sheet to get an answer or anything like that. I answered the questions myself. so I don't consider that cheating.

 

[Slangindempillz]

Well integrity is one of the important attributes to possess as a future healthcare professional. Those who cheat clearly don't believe in it, are dishonest, and have weak ethics. Let's see where that gets a person as a future pharmacist... Probably audited, put on probation, who knows.

Uh Okay
HAHA! People who make sure they bubble in an answer for every question have weak ethics??????

I can see through paper and read backwards too. So I guess I pulled some crap there too.

If someone is blatantly cheating, then I agree with you, but what a few of us are talking about is not the same thing as what your calling cheating. I know we could argue for days and days, but if you want to say that I will be a pharmacist with no ethics because I would keep randomly bubbling when they say, "PENCILS DOWN," then you are madly mistaken. Doing whatever I can (within reason ofcourse) to jump this damn hurdle known as the PCAT has little correlation with what kind of pharmacist I will be.

But if it makes you feel better to think that I am unethical because of some crap I do on this ridiculous test, then so be it.

 

[LittleMissB]

Apparently some people are pretty defensive about this whole thing and have demonstrated the need to write an essay reponse on here to justify why they think their cheating is okay.

 

[taken2]

Apparently some people are pretty defensive about this whole thing and have demonstrated the need to write an essay reponse on here to justify why they think their cheating is okay.

Think what ever you want. You have no right to judge anybody especially someone you don't know.

 

[mosco]

He who hasn't sinned... People please! Instead of worrying about who cheated, be more concerned on how you did. I wish everyone did well on the exam. And that is all I have to say about that.

 

[LittleMissB]

mosco is totally right about not worrying about who cheated. However it can't go unnoticed that people are doing it and quite frankly, if I was the person who started this thread I would have ratted out the cheater right there at the test site. The effects of all this filling in the answers nonsense are additive. It ruins the grading scale for those of us who worked real hard to achieve our scores. So for those of you out there who cheated, consider yourself a complete imposter with whatever score you got since you wouldn't get that score had you followed the rules. The questions on the test were easy so no kidding you people knew all or most the answers on the test, but didn't have the time to fill them in. That's not the point of a timed, standardized exam though. One of the principles about the PCAT is that it serves as an assessment of how well you work under time constraints and if you use your time wisely during a test. It's definitely not all about proving how booksmart you think you are. If that were the case, then they would stick us in a room, give us the test, and say, "Here's your test. Take as much time as you need." Well too bad it's not so haha deal with your scores. Hope you pull the same stunts in pharmacy school with continuing a test after time is called, get caught, and get your test ripped up to shreds .

 

[wheelsonfire]

mosco is totally right about not worrying about who cheated. However it can't go unnoticed that people are doing it and quite frankly, if I were the person who started this thread I would have ratted out the cheater right there at the test site. The effects of all this filling in the answers nonsense are additive. It ruins the grading scale for those of us who worked real hard to achieve our scores. So for those of you out there who cheated, consider yourself a complete imposter with whatever score you got since you wouldn't get that score had you followed the rules. The questions on the test were easy so no kidding you people knew all or most the answers on the test, but didn't have the time to fill them in. That's not the point of a timed, standardized exam though. One of the principles about the PCAT is that it serves as an assessment of how well you work under time constraints and if you use your time wisely during a test. It's definitely not all about proving how booksmart you think you are. If that were the case, then they would stick us in a room, give us the test, and say, "Here's your test. Take as much time as you need." Well too bad it's not so haha deal with your scores. Hope you pull the same stunts in pharmacy school with continuing a test after time is called, get caught, and get your test ripped up to shreds .

I agree 100%.
If I had cheated the first time, I wouldn't have had to re-take the test.
The only way I, personally, can feel that I deserve my score and deserve to go to pharmacy school(if that ever happens) will be to know that I did it on my own and within the rules. There are no grey areas here for me.
But, the world is what YOU make of it. I realize that my views are VERY idealistic and many people I know have gotten ahead of me by blurring the lines. That's just not me. As for being a pharmacist, I want my pharmacist to be someone who doesn't blur the lines and knows right from wrong. However, I'm afraid my PCAT score will not reflect that.
It's only a number. Mine will be 100% mine and within the rules..........ahhhh I can sleep.
Now, Harcourt must know this goes on or they would have put the dang test on a computer like the GRE. I'd like to see someone fill in an answer after the computer has called "pencils down."

 

[hollynbaby]

I agree 100%.
If I had cheated the first time, I wouldn't have had to re-take the test.
The only way I, personally, can feel that I deserve my score and deserve to go to pharmacy school(if that ever happens) will be to know that I did it on my own and within the rules. There are no grey areas here for me.

PERFECT!

Exactly how I feel. I didn't mean for everyone to attack me or feel I was attacking them. I just have integrity! 😛

 

[astevens]

You ****ing need to stop complaining. You are concerned someone will score higher than you right? I hate when people behave like ****. Looking back to a previous section though not allowed during the exam to me is not cheating.
I did that too in the Reading Com. section because I first answered all the questions on my exam booklet but ran out of time as I was transfering the answers into my answer sheet. You don't expect me to turn in my exam sheet without bubbling 25 questions I already have answers to. Hell no! I don't want to RETAKE pcat ever again. This is my second and last time. To me that is not cheating.
About the proctor, you have to accept that there are all kinds of people around. So quit complaining and just wait for your result to come out. 😛[/QUOTE]

-------I'm sorry, but are you crazy?? Of course we are all worried about someone having a higher score than us, it is graded on a percentile basis, so by allowing you to fill in the 25 questions afterwards, basically means that you are indirectly causing other people's scores to be lower!!! I do believe that this is the definition of cheating, doing something that is prohibited by the PCAT guidelines that gives you an unfair advantage over others. Also, I don't think its appropriate for you to be telling others that they are being unreasonable because they are trying to follow the rules. It should be interesting if the same situation comes up when you are taking your NAPLEX

 

[hollynbaby]

-------I'm sorry, but are you crazy?? Of course we are all worried about someone having a higher score than us, it is graded on a percentile basis, so by allowing you to fill in the 25 questions afterwards, basically means that you are indirectly causing other people's scores to be lower!!! I do believe that this is the definition of cheating, doing something that is prohibited by the PCAT guidelines that gives you an unfair advantage over others. Also, I don't think its appropriate for you to be telling others that they are being unreasonable because they are trying to follow the rules. It should be interesting if the same situation comes up when you are taking your NAPLEX

Exactly! What if everyone cheated? Then the test wouldn't be a measurement of ANYONE's aptitude!

Obviously Hartcourt puts these rules in for a reason! 🙄

 

[bananaface]

It's not cheating to bubble in randomly when time runs low. It is cheating to fill out anything after time has been called. I am personally disgusted by cheating on the PCAT. If you can't be trusted to follow the rules in a test taking situation, how can you claim to be trustworthy enough to be a pharmacist?

 

[Rxbound]

It's not cheating to bubble in randomly when time runs low. It is cheating to fill out anything after time has been called. I am personally disgusted by cheating on the PCAT. If you can't be trusted to follow the rules in a test taking situation, how can you claim to be trustworthy enough to be a pharmacist?

Couldn't agree more...
The proctors DO NOT read the rules concerning the way the PCAT is taken just for their own amusement. I don't believe that state laws are written just for amusement, either. Consider that when someone sues your butt because the rules don't apply to you.

 

[wheelsonfire]

I wonder if Harcourt is paying as much attention to this thred as they did in October???? 😉

 

[hollynbaby]

I wonder if Harcourt is paying as much attention to this thred as they did in October???? 😉

What happened in October?

 

[Rxbound]

People were posting specific questions (and answers) from the PCAT, including what the essay possibilities were, which is illegal.

 

[hollynbaby]

People were posting specific questions (and answers) from the PCAT, including what the essay possibilities were, which is illegal.

Did they get in trouble w/ Hartcourt?

 

[wheelsonfire]

Did they get in trouble w/ Hartcourt?

There was a stern warning on this site and on Harcourt's site.

 

[Plowi]

Are you whiners out of touch with reality? So what if someone is bubbling in answers when time is called. Cheating? More like determination. Besides, bubbling in all the answers isnt going to salvage the score of someone who did horrible, but will improve the score of someone who did fairly well but just ran out of time. My point is, if you did bad but need to whine on the forums about how people who "cheated" did better, maybe you should get some guts also. Or you can just beef up your studies and you wont feel the need to whine about how you got beat by the "cheats" =). Oh and btw this is coming from someone who played by the rules.

Maybe if these rules were actually enforced people wouldnt do it? I was sitting there thinking about how easy itd be to check over my reading section for 10 minutes after breezing through the chemistry. Just something to think about it...

 

[Rxbound]

I think the point is if they cheat here, where will they draw the line?

 

[hollynbaby]

Are you whiners out of touch with reality? So what if someone is bubbling in answers when time is called. Cheating? More like determination. Besides, bubbling in all the answers isnt going to salvage the score of someone who did horrible, but will improve the score of someone who did fairly well but just ran out of time. My point is, if you did bad but need to whine on the forums about how people who "cheated" did better, maybe you should get some guts also. Or you can just beef up your studies and you wont feel the need to whine about how you got beat by the "cheats" =). Oh and btw this is coming from someone who played by the rules.

Maybe if these rules were actually enforced people wouldnt do it? I was sitting there thinking about how easy itd be to check over my reading section for 10 minutes after breezing through the chemistry. Just something to think about it...

I don't think you fully understand where we are coming from. I played by the rules and felt confident about the test. I don't need to "beef up my studies", thankyouverymuch. I think the people that "cheated" or didn't play by the rules or whatever just didn't learn to budget their time well enough and should have their score reflective of that. In my opinon, Hartcourt should strenghten their policies.

 

[wheelsonfire]

Are you whiners out of touch with reality? So what if someone is bubbling in answers when time is called. Cheating? More like determination.


Ok, I appreciate where you are coming from. But, hear me out.
Say you OWN a small, independent pharmacy connected with a doctor's office that often throws business your way. One of the MD's pt's comes into your pharmacy and has an RX for something you don't have (too new). So, you call the doc and he/she says,” I figured you didn't have it, but I have the samples from the drug rep. and I'll give them to you so you can fill what I have ordered."
What do you do???? Do you blur the lines in the interest of your small business??? Do you break the law??? Do you bubble after time has been called???

Granted, the PCAT does not ask these types of questions, but it should. Your integrity will carry you throughout your career. I am DETERMINED to be a pharmacist. A pharmacist with a great PCAT, integrity, and brains (not necessarily in that order), but of my own merit.

My apologies to the OP, but I feel my comments on this topic are warranted and I am interested in the responses. Hammer away.

 

[Plowi]

Wouldnt phase me one bit if they toughened up their policy. Like I said, I dont break the rules. However, it is ridiculous to expect people to follow the rules on their honor when this test affects their future. Most people would increase their chances of pharmacy school at break the rules if there is no consequence of doing so. I can agree with you guys that the enforcement of rules is weak though, it was at my test center. Maybe Harcourt should pass out seperate booklets for each section so people cant just go back?

 

[taken2]

I don't think you fully understand where we are coming from. I played by the rules and felt confident about the test. I don't need to "beef up my studies", thankyouverymuch. I think the people that "cheated" or didn't play by the rules or whatever just didn't learn to budget their time well enough and should have their score reflective of that. In my opinon, Hartcourt should strenghten their policies.

Why are you so worried over this topic? Why cann't you let it go. Cheat or no cheat, someone will still score higher than you and you will score than others. You need to relax and wait for the result to come out. Hopefully, you will do well and you won't have to worry anymore. 🙄

 

[taken2]

A pharmacist with a great PCAT, integrity, and brains (not necessarily in that order), but of my own merit.


Good for you 🙄

 

[wheelsonfire]

Why are you so worried over this topic? Why cann't you let it go. Cheat or no cheat, someone will still score higher than you and you will score than others. You need to relax and wait for the result to come out. Hopefully, you will do well and you won't have to worry anymore. 🙄

Our hopes were thwarted as soon as we found out that YOU cheated. 🙄

 

[wheelsonfire]

Ok, I appreciate where you are coming from. But, hear me out.
Say you OWN a small, independent pharmacy connected with a doctor's office that often throws business your way. One of the MD's pt's comes into your pharmacy and has an RX for something you don't have (too new). So, you call the doc and he/she says,” I figured you didn't have it, but I have the samples from the drug rep. and I'll give them to you so you can fill what I have ordered."
What do you do???? Do you blur the lines in the interest of your small business??? Do you break the law??? Do you bubble after time has been called???

Granted, the PCAT does not ask these types of questions, but it should. Your integrity will carry you throughout your career. I am DETERMINED to be a pharmacist. A pharmacist with a great PCAT, integrity, and brains (not necessarily in that order), but of my own merit.

My apologies to the OP, but I feel my comments on this topic are warranted and I am interested in the responses. Hammer away.

 

[taken2]

Our hopes were thwarted as soon as we found out that YOU cheated. 🙄

People like you are expert in cheating, don't pretend 🙄