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Im also trying to decide what to do this summer. I just found out I don't need to take another english class though, so that is good news. I dont mind moving, but I hate looking for jobs. Anyone want to offer me one?

How about I hire you to move for me...win,win :laugh: But I'll have to pay you with leftover yard-sale goods, sorry.

I need to deal with my english pre-reqs too! I have one that was a mandatory pass fail (my school is weird) so I need to get that approved I guess and I'd love to find a way out of the second one. I took a writing focused first-year seminar...maybe I can get that to count too and drop my annoying online english class...

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When you got your PennKey, did it let you log into the Penn Portal website as well as the In Touch? Mine will only let me into the In Touch (I think) but my SO, who just got his for Penn grad school, can get into the Portal as well.
 
I just talked to ashra markowitz and the $3,000 then $1,500 PA grant now = $0 and she doesn't think we'll ever get it back.


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on the plus side, she had a really cute dog...
 
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On that note, anyone bringing/brought a horse to school or know anyone who has? I am trying to explore this option, although I think it is only a slim possibility (sad). Any ideas for places, let me know!
i think bringing a horse to Penn would be really difficult, but it can be done, if you have a car that you'll be using.

i know someone in the pre-vet club with me who boards a horse in South Jersey, which is a bridge away from Philly - probably about 30 min - 1 hr?

i'm not sure how prices run...but i feel they might be pricey

you could probably look into places around new bolton as well, which is about 45 min - 1 hour away.

here's also a page with a list of stables in/around philadelphia
http://www.fairmountpark.org/Stables.asp
 
I just talked to ashra markowitz and the $3,000 then $1,500 PA grant now = $0 and she doesn't think we'll ever get it back.

tears tears tears

on the plus side, she had a really cute dog...

The other plus side is that it makes me feel better about my decisions to attend as an OOS. Now if only they could raise your tuition a little, that would make me feel much better. :)
 
The other plus side is that it makes me feel better about my decisions to attend as an OOS. Now if only they could raise your tuition a little, that would make me feel much better. :)

Now that's just mean! :p
 
hey all,
I am currently a vet student at UGA, but I am working at Penn vet school this summer and am looking for a relatively cheap (aiming for under 1000 once you include utilities and parking) summer sublet for the months of June and July. If any current or incoming Penn vet students know of any sublets in the university city area, please let me know. I am a responsible, fun, 23 yr old female, and i would not mind having a roommate as long as they come from a reliable source (like are a Penn vet student or friend-of-a-friend kind of thing). I also would be interested in a 1 bedroom or a studio apartment. I hope to be able to bring my small dog with me (well-trained, non-barker, under 20lbs, low shedder) if possible. I am also in a vet school fraternity here and am trying to contact the Penn chapters to see if they have room to sublease, but so far no one seems to know how I can find the contact info of the current presidents Anywho, sorry to post so much. let me know if you hear of anything. thanks
 
For those of you considering bringing your horses with you (or just want to ride), the equine club is in the process of compiling a list of barns in the area that we have experience with to help narrow down your search. I have my horses here and finding a barn was the most stressful part of my summer before vet school. That list will be going out to you guys in the next week or two.
 
For those of you considering bringing your horses with you (or just want to ride), the equine club is in the process of compiling a list of barns in the area that we have experience with to help narrow down your search. I have my horses here and finding a barn was the most stressful part of my summer before vet school. That list will be going out to you guys in the next week or two.

You are my hero. :laugh:
 
hi again guys!

i'm looking to sublet my place this summer (June-August), if any of you are interested in coming to philly early! i won't be renewing the place in september, so if you like it, you can stay there and avoid moving again in the fall.

it's one room in a 3 BR with a new med student and a soon-to-be fourth year vet student. pets are no problem, so long as they get along with the current feline residents. couple blocks away from school, $500 + utilities. it's a great place! PM me if you'd like details.
 
Similar to Emio, I also have a vacant place. It's a 1 BR for $985 plus utilities. It's a great location, close to Penn. The place has hardwood floors and central air (AC). It's also very sunny and located in Rittenhouse Square.
PM me if you are interested.
 
Similar to Emio, I also have a vacant place. It's a 1 BR for $985 plus utilities. It's a great location, close to Penn. The place has hardwood floors and central air (AC). It's also very sunny and located in Rittenhouse Square.
PM me if you are interested.

I'm going up to look at apartments in a few weeks, and am trying to keep my commute as simple as possible. How easy is it to get from Rittenhouse Square to campus?
 
I'm going up to look at apartments in a few weeks, and am trying to keep my commute as simple as possible. How easy is it to get from Rittenhouse Square to campus?

Very! Googlemap the two locations then go to septa.org to find bus routes...man I'm gonna miss public transportation out here!
 
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But not walkable, I assume? I guess I'm just worried about heading home from the library at midnight (or later) and relying on public transportation. I'm used to NYC (where my bf lives) and I know I for sure wouldn't take public transportation alone at midnight up there (though I'm sure others on here are braver than me)! Are the Philly buses safer than the NYC subway at night?

Sorry for being so clueless! I've visited Philly 3x...and each trip was for less than 24 hours!
 
Are the Philly buses safer than the NYC subway at night?

I'm wondering this too...

Rittenhouse (sp?) is supposedly a great place to live, but I am thinking I want to be super close walking distance mostly for that reason.

I also thought I remember their being Penn off-campus housing shuttle available at night? We had something like this at my UGrad in a city where if you lived off campus a shuttle would bring you to your door after dark. Nice deal, except they would always stop service in bad weather which was when I wanted them most!

Oh my eyes hurt from looking at apartment listings, although I feel as though I'm getting a good education in different types of trees!! :laugh:
 
I'm wondering this too...

Rittenhouse (sp?) is supposedly a great place to live, but I am thinking I want to be super close walking distance mostly for that reason.

I also thought I remember their being Penn off-campus housing shuttle available at night? We had something like this at my UGrad in a city where if you lived off campus a shuttle would bring you to your door after dark. Nice deal, except they would always stop service in bad weather which was when I wanted them most!

Oh my eyes hurt from looking at apartment listings, although I feel as though I'm getting a good education in different types of trees!! :laugh:

Septa safe? Well maybe not after 11pm but....
UPenn has two types of late night shuttle service - one that loops around various areas near UPenn and a door to door service which you just call for p/u or wait at a designated p/u location on campus. Check it out:
http://www.business-services.upenn.edu/transportation/services/

Also, apts w/in walking distance from campus (West Philly) aren't necessarily the safest places to walk at night, unfortunately.
 
"Also, apts w/in walking distance from campus (West Philly) aren't necessarily the safest places to walk at night, unfortunately."

No more or less safe than walking at night in center city, though. It's a common myth that the blocks around the school are more prone to crime than blocks anywhere else in Philly.

And there're security guards on every block until 43rd.



In my opinion, buses are reasonably safe. I mean, there's at least one other person on the bus with you (the driver). But you have to stand around waiting for them, and you may or may not have to walk from the bus to your door. So there's a risk there. To me, mostly they're just damn inconvenient.

And walking is free.
 
"Also, apts w/in walking distance from campus (West Philly) aren't necessarily the safest places to walk at night, unfortunately."

No more or less safe than walking at night in center city, though. It's a common myth that the blocks around the school are more prone to crime than blocks anywhere else in Philly.

And there're security guards on every block until 43rd.



In my opinion, buses are reasonably safe. I mean, there's at least one other person on the bus with you (the driver). But you have to stand around waiting for them, and you may or may not have to walk from the bus to your door. So there's a risk there. To me, mostly they're just damn inconvenient.

And walking is free.

Even though security was visible day/night I didn't feel safe walking around at 11pm at night in west philly....for instance, there's a substance abuse clinic right next to Penn's campus. Not sure its affiliated w/ Penn but its there and you get all kinds of interesting people walking around...esp near the biopond. It's closed at night but I'd say that in general, esp as a female, be careful walking around west philly after 10pm.
 
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You're missing my point. I wasn't saying you didn't have to be careful in West Philly. I was saying that people walking around Philly at night should be careful. That goes for rittenhouse too. Everyblock.com's list of crimes in Rittenhouse looks remarkably like those in the UC area of WP, if not more-so. It's irresponsible to say that it's safer there, no matter how the WP area feels to you. Basically, West Philly gets a bad rap, and it scares incoming students into living in more expensive neighborhoods with longer commutes.

There are substance abuse centers all over Philly. And, the biopond is on the opposite side of campus from where people live. Why would a vet student be there at night anyway?
 
No I get your point and I def think you have to be safe anywhere you walk in philly. It just worries me a bit when students plan on walking home after a late night of studying, extremely tired from a long day of classes, in west philly.... there are other options, like shuttle service and escort service (not that kind of service!)
Hard to believe that rittenhouse isn't safer than west philly tho....
 
It just worries me a bit when students plan on walking home after a late night of studying, extremely tired from a long day of classes, in west philly.... there are other options, like shuttle service and escort service (not that kind of service!)

Why, whatever do you mean? ;)
 
UPenn is in University City. There is a huge distinction between U. City and W. Philly. U. City is far from dangerous, unless of course you have a fear of foreign Phd students.
 
UPenn is in University City. There is a huge distinction between U. City and W. Philly. U. City is far from dangerous, unless of course you have a fear of foreign Phd students.

yeah, u. city is definitely different from w. philly.
the actual area of the penn campus is fairly safe, but once you start heading out towards 45th/46th further west, that's where it gets a little shady. but the areas between 31st and 40th street, which is mainly where Penn's campus is, from my experiences, are pretty safe areas.
 
UPenn is in University City. There is a huge distinction between U. City and W. Philly. U. City is far from dangerous, unless of course you have a fear of foreign Phd students.

That is only kind of true. The school itself is in "university city", but often students live in areas that would be more considered "west philly". Safety can definitely be an issue in some areas. It is nothing to be terrified of though. Dont do stupid ****, and you will be fine - no wandering the streets late at night waving $100 bills.
 
Security guards patrol every street corner until 43rd, and many of us live further out than that (where the WP/UC line starts to blur), and spend lots of time walking around alone at night. As vnair said - don't do stupid ****. Don't do stupid **** anywhere in Philly, for that matter.

And sunnex - if you look at the numbers, a lot of the muggings and other crimes targeting students happen within 40th st. It's an imaginary line. 40th to 45th or so, especially between walnut and baltimore, is predominantly families and grad students, and I see a lot weirder people walking around campus at night than I do in my neighborhood.
 
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no wandering the streets late at night waving $100 bills.

Well damn...how else am I supposed to spend my evenings? Studying?

I was just asking about it since everyone seems to emphasize the crime in West Philly, and when I was up there, I noticed a lot more panhandlers than I'm used to seeing in NY...of course, I'm generally down in TriBeCa in NY, not up in Midtown--and I'm sure there are more panhandlers up there because of all the tourists (and likewise, perhaps, more panhandlers in City Center, where we were staying).

I feel pretty safe 99% of the time walking around NY though, so hopefully that'll be the case in Philly too (though I think Philly is more dangerous). I think I'd prefer W. Philly/University City to Rittenhouse just because of the walkability (I also hate depending/waiting on buses to get around!), but I'm sure I'll check both locations out when I head up there in early May!
 
ben and me... nonvideas and vnair are pretty much spot-on in my opinion. don't be stupid. take care of yourself and your imaginary $100 bills, and you'll be fine ;)

as for this comment:
Also, apts w/in walking distance from campus (West Philly) aren't necessarily the safest places to walk at night, unfortunately.

i'd rather walk four blocks through west philly to my house than over a mile to my big fancy condo in rittenhouse. not because i'm lazy, but because it's a shorter commute at night when you'd rather not be anywhere in philly. escorts galore, other foot traffic, etc, etc. also, i'm broke, and buses aren't really an option, lol.
 
true, there are a lot of escorts/penn police around all the time.

but just from my own experience here, i've heard a lot more about crimes that are further west (like past 40th) from the Penn campus (like break ins, assaults, etc.) i personally feel safer walking around on Penn's actual campus at night with all the students/police around than i would in west philly.
 
Hey everyone. So I was having a hard time finding new housing located in the city at a decent monthly price. I finally found a place...I'm assuming other people are/could be having the same issue I did. So just wanted to share what I finally found...

check out www.pearl-apartments.com.
They've got great locations in the city and they're beautiful.

Hope I help at least someone else out in the same boat!
Have a great weekend
 
I have not found much of a distinction between "University City" and West Philly. I (and others that I know) live pretty far west (past 48th street). Personally I feel pretty safe. "Nice" neighborhoods can create a false sense of security when actually they are not much safer than other areas. My house has a security system but I do not feel unsafe walking on my street at night. I would recommend that anyone walking at night have another person with them and exercise appropriate caution, but Center City is exactly the same way. My block is very quiet with many older residents and it is quite safe.

Just to note, the series of sexual assaults that have occurred in the area recently were east of 45th street and in Center City (and there was a third as well I believe, but it also was not any farther west). Center City is a much more expensive place to live and in my experience is not any safer or quieter.
 
Just chiming in here. I was a student at Penn and worked as a nursing assistant in the Penn Vet ER for 3 years. I lived on 31st and Walnut, right smack under the bridge at the Left Bank. I won't lie, its not a cheap place but I am a believer that you usually get what you pay for.its a beautiful building with places to eat and study attached and a perfect location.

I'm gonna have to go with sunnex and robeezy on the safety factors of the area. We all lived in philly for multiple years so are speaking from experience and feeling albeit not stats.

From the left bank I always walked directly through campus to the hospital. I wouldn't have walked another route. I also wouldn't trepse past the hospital toward 40th at night alone.

Where you live is a matter of preference really. I def agree that past 40th there's lots of students etc but it is quieter. I like the bustle of rittenhouse, restaurants etc. To me its safer when I'm one of many on the st. If you like that in a trendier area go with rittenhouse, you'll figure out the commute. If you don't care go with a quieter house that might be closer and cheaper. Or if its possible, live in the left bank :) in my old apt 206 ha. Oh, one downside though, cats only. And tell Franny the door man I miss him!
 
Just chiming in here. I was a student at Penn and worked as a nursing assistant in the Penn Vet ER for 3 years. I lived on 31st and Walnut, right smack under the bridge at the Left Bank. I won't lie, its not a cheap place but I am a believer that you usually get what you pay for.its a beautiful building with places to eat and study attached and a perfect location.

I'm gonna have to go with sunnex and robeezy on the safety factors of the area. We all lived in philly for multiple years so are speaking from experience and feeling albeit not stats.

From the left bank I always walked directly through campus to the hospital. I wouldn't have walked another route. I also wouldn't trepse past the hospital toward 40th at night alone.

Where you live is a matter of preference really. I def agree that past 40th there's lots of students etc but it is quieter. I like the bustle of rittenhouse, restaurants etc. To me its safer when I'm one of many on the st. If you like that in a trendier area go with rittenhouse, you'll figure out the commute. If you don't care go with a quieter house that might be closer and cheaper. Or if its possible, live in the left bank :) in my old apt 206 ha. Oh, one downside though, cats only. And tell Franny the door man I miss him!

I love all these people who live or lived on campus (or in this case, on the other side of campus) and are sharing their "feelings" about the area west of 40th st., as if their feelings are somehow meaningful. As someone who also lived here for years, and actually spent those years living IN the area we're talking about: your fears were, generally, unfounded. It's the typical point of view of the Penn undergrad - anything past 40th is the ghetto, and you're gonna get mugged the second you stick a toe over the line or walk past a shadowy corner.

You're encouraging people to live in more expensive, less convenient places because your gut feeling told you a neighborhood wasn't safe, despite the numerous testimonials from people who live there and the crime stats that don't back up your feeling.
 
I love all these people who live or lived on campus (or in this case, on the other side of campus) and are sharing their "feelings"

Thank you we love you too.

about the area west of 40th st., as if their feelings are somehow meaningful. As someone who also lived here for years, and actually spent those years living IN the area we're talking about: your fears were, generally, unfounded. It's the typical point of view of the Penn undergrad -

I wasn't a Penn undergrad. And who said I was fearful as you put it? As a matter of fact I am afraid of the dark, that's TOTALLY unfounded, but its how I feel, I think I'm allowed to express personal preferences which it seems others agree with. Did I say its the only way? Def not.

anything past 40th is the ghetto, and you're gonna get mugged the second you stick a toe over the line or walk past a shadowy corner.
That is EXACTLY what we said, you could have written our posts!

You're encouraging people to live in more expensive, less convenient places because your gut feeling told you a neighborhood wasn't safe, despite the numerous testimonials from people who live there and the crime stats that don't back up your feeling.

I'm not encouraging anything. I'm doling out a solicted opinion. I have enough faith in vet students to be able to take an opinion as just that and decide for themselves.
 
Well damn...how else am I supposed to spend my evenings? Studying?

I was just asking about it since everyone seems to emphasize the crime in West Philly, and when I was up there, I noticed a lot more panhandlers than I'm used to seeing in NY...of course, I'm generally down in TriBeCa in NY, not up in Midtown--and I'm sure there are more panhandlers up there because of all the tourists (and likewise, perhaps, more panhandlers in City Center, where we were staying).

I feel pretty safe 99% of the time walking around NY though, so hopefully that'll be the case in Philly too (though I think Philly is more dangerous). I think I'd prefer W. Philly/University City to Rittenhouse just because of the walkability (I also hate depending/waiting on buses to get around!), but I'm sure I'll check both locations out when I head up there in early May!


There are no loitering laws here like there are in NY (or if there are, they're not enforced), so people (homeless and otherwise) just kind of stand around. And I think that's a large part of the reason that I pretty much never feel safe here. I mean, during the day sure, it's very metropolitan and I'm obviously not worried, but at night when I get home from work at 2:30am, I carry my pepper spray and keep my eyes open... and I live in middle village near Rittenhouse... it's among the safer areas. In NY I'd walk home drunk alone at 4am and not be worried... but Philly (all of it) is a far cry from NY.
 
Philly (all of it) is a far cry from NY.

You sure are bitter about moving out of NY :)

- V

ps I agree, i sure am looking forward to four more years of cheesesteaks followed by a heartattack.
 
First of all, just to clarify for some people that seem confused, University City is part of West Philadelphia. It is a district that goes out to 50th Street. If you'd like to see a map, check here: http://www.ucityphila.org/_files/docs/ucityboundaries.pdf

In terms of safety, I would check out the crime statistics to verify what people are saying. I would also talk to people who have actually lived in the areas where you are looking. Many people who have not lived past 40th St will tell you that it is the ghetto out here and it is not. That said, you should come check out the neighborhoods and see how you feel. Your comfort level is probably going to depend on how much city experience you have, at least in part.

A thing about Philadelphia that is different from some other cities is that things are very block by block here. In some cities the "bad areas" are secluded away and many people have no idea what they look like and where they are because those communities are isolated. Philadelphia is not like that. You will discover that within a few blocks the vibe really changes. For example, I would live at 47th and Spruce but I would not live at 47th and Chestnut. If you look on a map you will see that those are only a couple of blocks away. Being a block by block city means that, in general, you need to be careful wherever you are because those that commit crimes are not off in isolated communities.

Penn provides a lot of transportation options-- shuttles, buses, walking escorts, etc. Use common sense and take them if you're thinking of walking home at 2am.

I live west of 45th (not sure why that became a cut off in this conversation) and my neighbors are all grad students and families-- a lot of people associated with Penn.

Another good forum to get information is phillyblog.com so check that out.
 
yeah i guess i should mention that i am from the suburbs and i am extremely wary about where i go in philly. and yes, i have been past 40th (i don't live past there, but i frequently go there and have been there both in the afternoon and in the evening) i personally don't feel very comfortable there, but as i've said before, that is just my personal opinion. i don't want anyone thinking i'm trying to get you to live in some more expensive living place - this is just what i've felt while i've been here.

but of course it depends on your comfort level as well.
 
The block by block thing is very true, although I don't know if that means there are criminals on every other block. To me it means the opposite--that the blocks are determined more by income than by "bad people vs good people" and thus the crime distribution is basically the same everywhere. There are bad blocks close to campus and good blocks farther away, so just by being closer you aren't always better. For example, my block is quiet and generally safe but if you go one block south and one block east it's not so nice.

However, there is a true and obvious cutoff at 52nd street. The area past this is and always has been less safe (this from my realtor). There is a clear decline in upkeep of houses, etc past 52nd. That said, my pharmacy is in the 5200 block of Baltimore and I will drive there at any time and feel generally safe. I am not a super paranoid person but I also didn't grow up in a big city (although I did live in Baltimore for 4 years).

My recommendation, which is what my realtor told me when I shopped for the house, is to drive around the city at different times of day (I would choose very early morning (6 am), rush hour/walking to school time (8:30 am), noon, 4-5 pm (walking home time) and then night). If possible, also check it out on a weekend. This will give you an idea of whether a street is an area where people loiter or if it is quiet. You want less foot traffic--meaning fewer people walking by your apartment/house and seeing you as a target. This means avoiding living right next to a trolley stop/bus stop since people will stand around waiting for the trolley. See if you feel comfortable in a particular area, and if not, don't live there!
 
i have been past 40th i personally don't feel very comfortable there,

I was just below 40th street last night and I personally felt uncomfortable there. But that could be because drunken, loud undergrads make me uncomfortable. ;)

The best advice is to come down here if you can and spend some tme walking around the area to get a feel for it. And remember you get what you pay for, a cheap apartment is cheap for a reason.

Good luck! :luck:
 
I was just below 40th street last night and I personally felt uncomfortable there. But that could be because drunken, loud undergrads make me uncomfortable. ;)

The best advice is to come down here if you can and spend some tme walking around the area to get a feel for it. And remember you get what you pay for, a cheap apartment is cheap for a reason.

Good luck! :luck:

I live a couple blocks west of 40th. I woke up yesterday, and it was a beautiful day. Children were outside playing by themselves, old ladies were walking without having to worry about keeping too strong a grip on the old lady purse...it seemed like the neighborhood crime watch group was able to finally take a day off.

Then the panic set in.

What if I get mugged today? What if I get jumped? What if I fall over a crack in the sidewalk? Oh No!!!, What if I forget to drink enough water and I have a heat stroke!!???!!!

So I decided to stay inside forever.

West Philadelphia is sooooo scary. I can't wait to get back on the farm!!!
 
What if I fall over a crack in the sidewalk? Oh No!!!

Don't joke about this one. This weekend has been the first time I've been wearing flip-flops outside (flip-flops take some getting used to, every year) - combine that with the miserable condition of most of the side walks around here, and I've been tripping all over the place for the last two days.
 
You sure are bitter about moving out of NY :)

- V

ps I agree, i sure am looking forward to four more years of cheesesteaks followed by a heartattack.

So become a veggie like me :) I don't eat meat so (according to my grandparents) everything I eat (El Vez?) must be healthy!

Btw, if we're gonna be friends in vet school, you're going to have to drop the indoorsy comp sci thing and brave the elements once in a while... ;)
 
Btw, if we're gonna be friends in vet school, you're going to have to drop the indoorsy comp sci thing and brave the elements once in a while... ;)

When you can tell me all about the Apple II series, program is C, and beat me in HALO, I will go outside. That sounds fair.

I have been know to venture out side occasionally, but I already have a natural Indian tan, so really what is the point.

- V
 
It does seem like there's a trend toward people who've never lived in West Philly being deathly afraid of it, and people who actually live there saying that it's fine. I've lived there for a year and a half, and I'm moving to a new apartment a block farther from school in a few weeks, and there is no way I would move to Center City -- there's just as much crime, more noise, you have to either take the bus, bike, or be willing to walk 30+ minutes to get to/from school, and the same apartment that would go for $700 in UCity is $1200 in Rittenhouse or Fitler Square. They ARE beautiful neighborhoods and I love running through them, but I wouldn't pay extra and take the inconvenience of a looong walk to school to move there.

In West Philly, I live in a 1st floor apartment (granted, I have big dogs) and run early in the morning/late at night alone, and I've never been seriously worried about a situation. And the biggest plus is that I can roll out of bed and walk to school in 10 minutes, AND that I'm paying $650 for a 1BR next year!

Check out the following if you want an objective analysis of crime statistics, after listening to all of us shoot our mouths off. :)

http://www.spotcrime.com/pa/philadelphia
http://cml.upenn.edu/crimebase/
 
Sorry, i'm sure this was answered somewhere in this thread, but frankly i got tired of looking really quickly :p

Can you become a PA resident after one year of vet school?
thanks
 
Sorry, i'm sure this was answered somewhere in this thread, but frankly i got tired of looking really quickly :p

Can you become a PA resident after one year of vet school?
thanks

No.
 
Sorry, i'm sure this was answered somewhere in this thread, but frankly i got tired of looking really quickly :p

Can you become a PA resident after one year of vet school?
thanks

Nope, at Penn if you start out of state, you finish out of state, and if you start in-state, you finish all 4 years in-state. If you want to get in-state tuition but you're an OOS applicant, you may try to defer to live in PA for a year before matriculating the following year. Hope that helps!

Edit: Beat me to it, dgm ;)
 
Hooray, activity in the Penn topic. I need to quickly ask another question to keep this active. Hm...um...what is...um...crap, I have no question.
 
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