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CFDavid

What I regret about that thread is that I inadvertently hijacked my friends' thread.

So, here is a new one, with a reply to your videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HQzb4JaLbo

This is how NON KOSHER butchers do it, my friend, CF.

For the squeamish: the only difference I see is that Kosher butchers don't let their cows hang from the ceiling and bleed out while suffering, as you will see in this video - a video of NON KOSHER practices.

CF: thoughts? Jews really doing things much different? Any meat eaters wanna go vegan? Or, CF, are we really still on the Jew-train-to-hell bandwagon?

Vote PETA!!!

D712
 
CFDavid

What I regret about that thread is that I inadvertently hijacked my friends' thread.

So, here is a new one, with a reply to your videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HQzb4JaLbo

This is how NON KOSHER butchers do it, my friend, CF.

For the squeamish: the only difference I see is that Kosher butchers don't let their cows hang from the ceiling and bleed out while suffering, as you will see in this video - a video of NON KOSHER practices.

CF: thoughts? Jews really doing things much different? Any meat eaters wanna go vegan? Or, CF, are we really still on the Jew-train-to-hell bandwagon?

Vote PETA!!!

D712

So it appears that most slaughter houses are inhumane, looking at this it seems unfair to target the kosher slaughter houses. Although the legislation in Europe, is it your contention that is was all based on anti semitism? I would hope that the politicians, let me stop there, politicians are worthless. I consume a heck of a lot less beef then I used to. I never drink milk, other than cheese, ice cream, etc. Perhaps I should start buying free range eggs. I buy my meat from Whole Foods, which is obtained from local farms. Perhaps I should more deeply into the practices of these local farmers.
 
So it appears that most slaughter houses are inhumane, looking at this it seems unfair to target the kosher slaughter houses. Although the legislation in Europe, is it your contention that is was all based on anti semitism? I would hope that the politicians, let me stop there, politicians are worthless. I consume a heck of a lot less beef then I used to. I never drink milk, other than cheese, ice cream, etc. Perhaps I should start buying free range eggs. I buy my meat from Whole Foods, which is obtained from local farms. Perhaps I should more deeply into the practices of these local farmers.

I shop at Whole Foods too. And, after a few vivisection videos back before the web was around, I went no meat altogether for a few years. I rarely* eat red meat these days. Almost no pork because I got REALLY sick off a backyard cooked pig when I was about 8 and it stuck with me. Chicken and Fish I eat lots and lots of.

I don't drink milk in a glass, but when I think about it, there's plenty of milk in the dairy that I consume. So, I guess I'm supporting dairy production. I guess I too should examine my eating habits, but, frankly, when you eat something that has been killed on a large scale, I'm afraid that video basically says it all. I don't want to know how the Whole Foods farms (chicken or turkey or beef) do their killing. I eat All White Egg Whites. Wonder if they are free range...

But I agree, so far, it seems very unfair to penalize Kosher practices on the basis of this evidence. And no, I don't think it was all anti-semitism in Europe. I do hear about much anti-semitic uproar in Europe from friends of late, but you don't have to look that far. I lived it being an uprooted NY'er living in rural PA as a kid. Trust me. I think the European legislation was probably a mix and, as is often, I'm sure there were animal rights, Israel supporters and pure anti-semites voting on the bill.

D712
 
CFDavid

What I regret about that thread is that I inadvertently hijacked my friends' thread.

So, here is a new one, with a reply to your videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HQzb4JaLbo

This is how NON KOSHER butchers do it, my friend, CF.

For the squeamish: the only difference I see is that Kosher butchers don't let their cows hang from the ceiling and bleed out while suffering, as you will see in this video - a video of NON KOSHER practices.

CF: thoughts? Jews really doing things much different? Any meat eaters wanna go vegan? Or, CF, are we really still on the Jew-train-to-hell bandwagon?

Vote PETA!!!

D712

Like I said, I really can't watch those videos on a regular basis. I have seen them, however, and I absolutely agree that non-Kosher slaughter can indeed go awry, and I'm not going to suggest that it's the "rare occassion".

I do, also regularly support various animal rights organizations. I've stated before that my philanthropy will be in no particular order: professional PACs, animal wellfare, and freedom/liberty organizations.

The difference is that those companies can be reported and prosecuted under existing law. So, those videos do serve a purpose in exposing animal cruelty. Kosher slaughter would not fall under those same jurisdictions. So, the cruelty inherent in that practice just goes on.

Interestingly, Aggriprocessors (the largest Kosher slaughterhouse in the U.S.) WAS busted not long ago, but by INS for employing loads of Mexican illegal immigrants and paying below market wages to boot. That's how I initially became aware of "Kosher". I read an article in the news about it. Then did some research. Like I said, before that I simply thought that Kosher was simply food blessed by a Rabbi. I had no idea it was a means of killing an animal, primarily. I stand by my assertion that it's cruel and inhumane. I'm against that practice. Not against Jews, and no, I absolutely do not lump any one group together as being all the same.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/who-story-rubashkin-hearing-061511,0,6307734.story

My general belief (perhaps this is a part of my own spirituality) is that human beings have the ability to think. To empathize. To strategize. We have the ability to impact not only the lives of other human beings, but also the lives of other animals on the planet.

I don't consider myself to be naive in the ways of the world. I get it. People, including me, enjoy meat. The world isn't fair. The world can be brutal at times.

What I do advocate, however, is that AS HUMANS, we have the ABILITY (not always requiring that much greater effort) to EASE or MINIMIZE the suffering of animals, whether they be in the lab, a food processing factory, or a farm for that matter. So, I believe that we should do so. Because we can. It's that simple.

I saw a documentary on this lady a long time ago. It was inspiring to me and I just found her on youtube. She isn't some animal rights "fanatic", but rather an intelligent human being whom uses her abilities to minimalize suffering during commercial slaughter of animals.

Here are some videos which is most ideal, in my opinion. The documentary that I can't find talked about how she took animal behavior (species specific) into consideration in terms of designing the path that the animals took. For example, simple design changes such as not letting the cow, for example, see around the corner as it is carralled along.

Now, any religious practice which somehow "forbids" this is outdated and backward. That's not, again, a slam against any faith, but rather a method or tradition of that faith. I can't back away from that one.

This stuff I can at least bear watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCYs1CSsbqs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pcirhyn8KI8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/user/TempleGrandin#p/u/3/-FEUfkmJQuA

This lady has a somewhat different "affect" but I guess she was autistic as a child.

A final "note" is that I believe all overtly cruel treatment of animals should be exposed and legislated against. We are a better society for it. I don't believe hiding behind a religious practice is exempt, although I am a very big supporter of religious freedom. But, I do draw the line when it comes to needless suffering of any kind.

Peace.
 
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Ok.

Realize who you're talking to here (Florida redneck), so

gimme some leeway.

ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVISTS ARE FREAKING OUT ABOUT HOW THE ANIMALS WE EAT ARE EUTHANIZED.

Ok.

I get that.

But to

limit your beef consumption? Stop drinking milk? Chickens aren't being cared for properly so now ya gotta eat FREE RANGE EGGS???

I guess what irks me about the outcry for livestock is that

1) we've got starving children in our country that don't care where their next meal comes from.

2) POVERTY in the United States is still an issue. I'm sure anyone on the poverty list would gladly eat a HAMBURGER...kosher, not kosher, whatever...

3) THE UNITED STATES HAS THOUSANDS OF DEPLOYED SOLDIERS FIGHTING A RIDICULOUS WAR IN SOME RIDICULOUSLY FAR AWAY PLACE..MANY OF WHICH DON'T RETURN IN THE NAME OF OUR FREEDOM....thats MUCH MORE IMPORTANT, I'D SAY, THAN HOW A COW IS KILLED FOR IT'S MEAT.


4) The next PETA %^th#$****$% I see crying about some poor animal, I'm gonna yell

DUDE! LOOK AROUND AT THE STARVING CHILDREN IN OUR COUNTRY!!! WE ARE RAISING PROJECT CHILDREN WITHOUT ROLE MODELS AND YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT A $%CKING COW???


A cow is an animal we eat.

There are lost children in our society that would probably climb to a higher level if they had the support from the people

TRYING TO SAVE COWS.

Sorry man.

I LIKE MY RIBEYE RARE, PLEASE.
 
Ok.

Realize who you're talking to here (Florida redneck), so

gimme some leeway.

ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVISTS ARE FREAKING OUT ABOUT HOW THE ANIMALS WE EAT ARE EUTHANIZED.

Ok.

I get that.

But to

limit your beef consumption? Stop drinking milk? Chickens aren't being cared for properly so now ya gotta eat FREE RANGE EGGS???

I guess what irks me about the outcry for livestock is that

1) we've got starving children in our country that don't care where their next meal comes from.

2) POVERTY in the United States is still an issue. I'm sure anyone on the poverty list would gladly eat a HAMBURGER...kosher, not kosher, whatever...

3) THE UNITED STATES HAS THOUSANDS OF DEPLOYED SOLDIERS FIGHTING A RIDICULOUS WAR IN SOME RIDICULOUSLY FAR AWAY PLACE..MANY OF WHICH DON'T RETURN IN THE NAME OF OUR FREEDOM....thats MUCH MORE IMPORTANT, I'D SAY, THAN HOW A COW IS KILLED FOR IT'S MEAT.


4) The next PETA %^th#$****$% I see crying about some poor animal, I'm gonna yell

DUDE! LOOK AROUND AT THE STARVING CHILDREN IN OUR COUNTRY!!! WE ARE RAISING PROJECT CHILDREN WITHOUT ROLE MODELS AND YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT A $%CKING COW???


A cow is an animal we eat.

There are lost children in our society that would probably climb to a higher level if they had the support from the people

TRYING TO SAVE COWS.

Sorry man.

I LIKE MY RIBEYE RARE, PLEASE.
I prefer my burgers medium well, and my steak a little less done.

Seriously Jet, need to have a drink and wax philosophical one of these days.
 
Yeah yeah we get, jerk off jet, suck jets co5k. Man what a bunch of sycophants. Just because there poor children doesn't mean we become inhumane *****holes, what kind of backwoods logic is that? I lived as a kid below poverty not sure where my next meal would come from, I would rather starve than to know a cow was tortured to give me a burger. Seriously just because someone is living in poverty doesn't male them a complete douche. And yes I will consider free range chickens. You know mad cow began? Because we *****hole humans feed them there dead compadres brains. How sick is that shiq? Now that is nice dose of karma for your *****. A non alive entity killed us for our inhumanity. Talk about irony.
 
This should not need mentioning, but a non-Kosher butcher into torture is just as much a piece of feces as the Kosher guy and should be fed to a tank of live sharks, nuts first. And a starving kid can be fed without brutally torturing his dinner while the animal was still alive. But I'm sure that's already obvious to everyone here.

I'm a medium steak eater. Prefer the Filet.
 
I like my veal with extra foie gras.

I'll make up for it by shopping at the fair trade, negative carbon footprint, organic only store.
 
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I like prime grade rib eye medium rare steak topped with gorgonzola gratinee.
 
I drink soy milk and eat much less meat than before. Chicken are treated at least as bad as other animals for human consumption.
As for fish well the seas won't support any life form in the near future.

I'm still hoping on a pandemic flu with a 30% mortality...
 
I think more information will become available in the near future as far as being able to choose how/where your meat comes from. It seems there's a growing trend in folks taking a much greater interest in not only the way their animals have been fed, but also how, generally, they were treated.

I probably eat more meat than the average person, but I would welcome more insight as to be able to filter out, or select, from more reputable "suppliers" than we've seen in some of those videos.

The one big difference which can not be directed away in this discourse is that Kosher, in it's very methodology and essence, is unnecessarily cruel and inhumane given the widely accepted standard in Western countries. Surely, non-Kosher slaughter houses have long been violators of animal wellfare, but they are breaking the rules. Kosher is following the rule. That's an important distinction.
 
Again, Rabbi Cfdavid, the rule in kosher slaughter is to NOT be cruel. Did u watch the video of non kosher slaughter and the one with the person slaughtering for his first time? Point is, things go awry and that's unpreventable. Proper Kosher seemed a lot quicker than non kosher. What is the rule, is that you are being a hypocritic. You eat meat, wooooow!?!?!? How cruel an ending some of those cows SURELY had. Funny how your heart is too tender to watch certain videos. You don't hate killing cows. I think you just hate Jews.
You see, it's the kosher Jewish method which files you up MOST. You're not paying attention to the video evidence. Strange. How inneresting. So was reading all your anti-Semitic Mel Gibson-like posts that were gently placed in my PM box by a fellow threader.

Be well dude.

D712
 
I'm still hoping on a pandemic flu with a 30% mortality...

That would be a very good start. Not sure if it would be enough. Hopefully I'll be in the 70% vaccinated. 🙂
 
Again, Rabbi Cfdavid, the rule in kosher slaughter is to NOT be cruel. Did u watch the video of non kosher slaughter and the one with the person slaughtering for his first time? Point is, things go awry and that's unpreventable. Proper Kosher seemed a lot quicker than non kosher. What is the rule, is that you are being a hypocritic. You eat meat, wooooow!?!?!? How cruel an ending some of those cows SURELY had. Funny how your heart is too tender to watch certain videos. You don't hate killing cows. I think you just hate Jews.
You see, it's the kosher Jewish method which files you up MOST. You're not paying attention to the video evidence. Strange. How inneresting. So was reading all your anti-Semitic Mel Gibson-like posts that were gently placed in my PM box by a fellow threader.

Be well dude.

D712

You are such a lightweight. If Kosher is so "quick" and LESS cruel that non-Kosher, why doesn't Jewish law allow for the STUNNING of animals.

No. Instead Jewish law REQUIRES the animal NOT BE STUNNED. It also forbids the consumption of large parts of the animals hind quarters because of some retarted idea of the sciatic nerve being "impure". So, a great deal more of the animal is wasted in the process.

I never said that there wasn't cruelty in non-Kosher slaughterhouses. When identified, they can be legally penalized and monitored. Or shut down. I am suggesting that Kosher, in and of itself is cruel.

Why not just stun the animal? Surely, that would be better than slitting it's throat while still conscious, right rocket scientist?
 
Ok.

Realize who you're talking to here (Florida redneck), so

gimme some leeway.

ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVISTS ARE FREAKING OUT ABOUT HOW THE ANIMALS WE EAT ARE EUTHANIZED.

Ok.

I get that.

But to

limit your beef consumption? Stop drinking milk? Chickens aren't being cared for properly so now ya gotta eat FREE RANGE EGGS???

I guess what irks me about the outcry for livestock is that

1) we've got starving children in our country that don't care where their next meal comes from.

2) POVERTY in the United States is still an issue. I'm sure anyone on the poverty list would gladly eat a HAMBURGER...kosher, not kosher, whatever...

3) THE UNITED STATES HAS THOUSANDS OF DEPLOYED SOLDIERS FIGHTING A RIDICULOUS WAR IN SOME RIDICULOUSLY FAR AWAY PLACE..MANY OF WHICH DON'T RETURN IN THE NAME OF OUR FREEDOM....thats MUCH MORE IMPORTANT, I'D SAY, THAN HOW A COW IS KILLED FOR IT'S MEAT.


4) The next PETA %^th#$****$% I see crying about some poor animal, I'm gonna yell

DUDE! LOOK AROUND AT THE STARVING CHILDREN IN OUR COUNTRY!!! WE ARE RAISING PROJECT CHILDREN WITHOUT ROLE MODELS AND YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT A $%CKING COW???


A cow is an animal we eat.

There are lost children in our society that would probably climb to a higher level if they had the support from the people

TRYING TO SAVE COWS.

Sorry man.

I LIKE MY RIBEYE RARE, PLEASE.
Your logic doesn't make sense because if you cared about the starving children, you would cease to waste resources (food, water, etc) on raising the animals and use it to help those in need. In short, you can feed a lot more people with plants rather than feeding the plants to animals and then eating the animals.
 
you are such a lightweight. If kosher is so "quick" and less cruel that non-kosher, why doesn't jewish law allow for the stunning of animals.

consult a rabbit. There's a reason. And it's not to make the animal suffer, genius. You, the anti-semite, apply that logic. Not judaism.


no. Instead jewish law requires the animal not be stunned. It also forbids the consumption of large parts of the animals hind quarters because of some retarted idea of the sciatic nerve being "impure". So, a great deal more of the animal is wasted in the process.

boo hoo.

i never said that there wasn't cruelty in non-kosher slaughterhouses. When identified, they can be legally penalized and monitored. Or shut down. I am suggesting that kosher, in and of itself is cruel.

and i'm suggesting you are an anti-semite. Would you like to discuss your hatred therein? Are you ready for that conversation? Would you like to play 10 questions??? Can i ask you about your beliefs, attitudes and
feelings toward hebrews after quoting some of your prior posts?

I can always start an anti-semite thread as i'm sure docs here would love to know where you sit? If i hated asians, african americans, catholics, christians, irish, italians, indians, muslims and posted the same rhetoric you post about jews (veiling your words of course) i'd last about 4 minutes. So - let's discuss????


why not just stun the animal? Surely, that would be better than slitting it's throat while still conscious, right rocket scientist?

Again, according to certain sources, stunning the animal causes pain before the ultimate cut. Why don't you watch the videos my hamburger eating pal?


d712
 
I have a good and permanent cure for all those bleeding-hearts-hugging trees-eating-vegan crazies - switch your place on this planet with some hungry pal somewhere in Nigeria or North Korea and you will have plenty of opportunities to avoid eating meat, drinking milk or frying eggs.

Sorry guys, but with millions not having enough food - any food - I can't feel your PETA pain.
 
I'm not going to get into whose motives are what and who is or is not an anti-semite, but now that you've got me reading about this on the net, I'm sorry to say D712, you're fighting a losing battle.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/137759

5 countries have now banned it as inhumane. After hearing this debate of meat being religiously unsuitable if not killed a certain way, I'll continue to remain agnostic. I'm sure the starving overpopulated children of the earth that everyone on this thread seems to care about would do just fine with unsuitable stunned-first killings. I'm done with these 2 threads. Incredibly depressing on multiple multiple levels.
 
I'm not going to get into whose motives are what and who is or is not an anti-semite, but now that you've got me reading about this on the net, I'm sorry to say D712, you're fighting a losing battle.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/137759

5 countries have now banned it as inhumane. After hearing this debate of meat being religiously unsuitable if not killed a certain way, I'll continue to remain agnostic. I'm sure the starving overpopulated children of the earth that everyone on this thread seems to care about would do just fine with unsuitable stunned-first killings. I'm done with these 2 threads. Incredibly depressing on multiple multiple levels.

One would imagine that the priests who decided that their people could only eat meat slaughted a certain way, also got paid for performing the slaughter, right? It's convenient to write the rules that govern your own income, kind of like unions for government workers but moreso. You can't later change the rules of slaughter without saying that the law isn't true, and your job is unnecessary.

(I guess this belongs more in that religion thread that the PETA one, or maybe nowhere, but anyway.)
 
I'm not going to get into whose motives are what and who is or is not an anti-semite, but now that you've got me reading about this on the net, I'm sorry to say D712, you're fighting a losing battle.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/137759

5 countries have now banned it as inhumane. After hearing this debate of meat being religiously unsuitable if not killed a certain way, I'll continue to remain agnostic. I'm sure the starving overpopulated children of the earth that everyone on this thread seems to care about would do just fine with unsuitable stunned-first killings. I'm done with these 2 threads. Incredibly depressing on multiple multiple levels.

Narc,
That website is hardly the JAMA of kosher information. Yes?
Those 5 countries are in various stages of ban and overruling of ban as well as claims that bans were not necessarily strictly animal rights based.
The jury is still out. I cannot believe people find a difference within those vids still. Wow.
D712.
 
I drink soy milk and eat much less meat than before. Chicken are treated at least as bad as other animals for human consumption.
As for fish well the seas won't support any life form in the near future.

It's OK to eat fish, 'cause they don't have any feelings.

I'm still hoping on a pandemic flu with a 30% mortality...

That would solve a lot fewer problems than you think it would, and it would fail to solve them in the ****tiest way imaginable.
 
I have a good and permanent cure for all those bleeding-hearts-hugging trees-eating-vegan crazies - switch your place on this planet with some hungry pal somewhere in Nigeria or North Korea and you will have plenty of opportunities to avoid eating meat, drinking milk or frying eggs.

Sorry to bring some horror into this, but more evidence suggests that cannibalism is going on in North Korea. It has been speculated and rumored over the years, but there is now a paper trail coming out of NK. I fear they would be viewed literally as fresh meat. >.<

Sorry guys, but with millions not having enough food - any food - I can't feel your PETA pain.
This.

I'm not the most rabid religious person on the planet, but if there is any mortal sin, it is wasting food in developed nations while the millions in the underdeveloped nations go hungry. I try to keep room temperature perishable foods (fruit, bread, and things that aren't freezable,) down to a minimum in my house, just because I dread wasting it because I don't get around to eating it.

It is also unfortunate that a lot of the vegetation that grows in the world and food animals do eat, especially in famine ravaged parts of the world, is undigestible and gives humans no nutritional value. We don't have the bacterial milieu in our guts that would allow liberation of nutrients in digestion regardless of how much we chew. I can make a nice looking salad from bluegrass, but I can't get anything out of it but fiber. Dandelions on the other hand can are edible, at least the last time I looked at a Boy Scout Handbook.

And it is possible to survive on pure meat, or a mostly meat diet. The caveat is that one has to eat the entire animal to eek out the nutrients.

To cultivate nutritionally valuable vegetables (remember one has to mix and match for complete protein,) in a quantity that would sustain a population in an underdeveloped country takes time. Rice takes four months. Asparagus takes two years. I think the shortest time is a radish at one month. And a lot of food vegetation requires a lot of water and land.

Some people are so hungry, they will eat the seed to keep them going in the here and now.

A geologist once lectured there is enough arable land in the world to feed the world, provided there weren't borders. Of course, this was 20 years ago, and that estimate may have changed significantly.
 
Yeah yeah we get, jerk off jet, suck jets co5k. Man what a bunch of sycophants. Just because there poor children doesn't mean we become inhumane *****holes, what kind of backwoods logic is that? I lived as a kid below poverty not sure where my next meal would come from, I would rather starve than to know a cow was tortured to give me a burger. Seriously just because someone is living in poverty doesn't male them a complete douche. And yes I will consider free range chickens. You know mad cow began? Because we *****hole humans feed them there dead compadres brains. How sick is that shiq? Now that is nice dose of karma for your *****. A non alive entity killed us for our inhumanity. Talk about irony.

Read post #28, Slim.

TRIAGE

pops into my head.

Human life before cows

in my book.

Turns out

if you're hungry enough, you'll do

ANYTHING.


You'd rather starve than worry about how the cow was slaughtered that's feeding you?

Righttttttttttttttttttttttttttt.
 
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who cares how the animal was killed? Is it really that much better to kill the animal "humanely"? your still killing it.. just because your hungry and you like its taste.. dont you think its scared? dont you think it has more of a purpose on earth than to be your meatsicle? so i think this debate about kosher vs nonkosher or humane vs inhumane is moot - your still fricking killing an animal because your hungry..

or are you? wait you actually arent.. you are just paying some crazy psycho to slaughter animals in mass numbers... could you actually kill that animal yourself? would you if you had to do it yourself? If you were out in the wilderness and you were hungry would you rather eat some berries/nuts/grass or hunt and kill an animal, dissect it, and eat its bloody meat?

the modern society we live in tells us eating meat is OK, just like slavery was OK a hundred years ago, and all the people ganging up on the pro PETA people here are completely ignorant of this fact.. go kill the animal yourself and tell me how you like your steak.. do you think that bloody muscle was put here for you to sink your teeth into, or for an animal to have contractile force and move around etc...and the few people who do actually hunt and kill their own meat are maniacs...

animals eat meat because they dont know any better, as enlightened creatures we should realize that this mass murder industry is wrong - no matter how the animal is killed - im not going to kill things because im hungry.. whether it be a chicken or a cow... now drinking milk and eating eggs, who gets harmed there? I would milk a cow or steal chicken eggs in the wild.. so ethically I think its ok to eat those products of animals, not the products that require KILLING it to eat.. muscle is not food

if starving.. ya id eat whatever to survive.. but is that what you all are doing? and is meat the only way to feed these starving poeple? how about a huge bag of rice or corn
 
It's all about having moral compunction and class. When you kill Rover or Toonces at the vet do you a)piss on Toonces and stomp the little kitties brains out, cuz hey hes gonna die anyways, who cares how he dies or b)humanely let the guy die while being petted by you while receiving a lethal injection. what does it matter we aren't tree hugging losers right we r big macho men who lift 100lb dumbbells and make everything we say matter more by bolding and making our font large cuz we r aspiring writers and we think it's a cool effect?
 
Listen slim It's called character. If I had the option of either death or eating a burger that was obtained via torture of course I would eat it. It concerns me if I begin to throw any moral fiber I have out the window though if I am in a bad situation. I have been in real desperate situations and thank God I was able to sustain a moral compass and work my way out of such bad situations.
 
If I had the option of either death or eating a burger that was obtained via torture of course I would eat it. .

In your previous post (#8), thats not what you said,

so which is it, Slim?

There's all this talk about

TORTURE.

Have you ever watched The Animal Channel depicting lions stalking and eating zebras?

Are you gonna call the animal police on

SIMBA

because he didn't kill his zebra humanely?

Have you ever seen a large mass of tuna in a

FEEDING FRENZY?

Killing all those poor little fish so they can

EAT?

That's life man.

There's this Darwin theory that speaks of

Survival of the Fittest.

There's also this little thing called a

FOOD CHAIN.

Who are you to judge what I eat and how I acquire it?

Do you really think you can judge a person because said person doesn't care where the food comes from?

Don't we have bigger problems?

And why are you contradicting yourself?
 
I am not contradicting myself. If I am going to die if I don't eat the hamburger then yes of course I would do it. If I am starving, yet still have hope of survival then no I would not eat it. In the first scenario I would be committing suicide, the second scenario I would allow myself to suffer rather than appease my desires. The Hunger Artist, a excellent story depicts how internal suffering is much more desirable than continual appeasement, since appeasement is so transitory, however internal conviction and maintaining those convictions even til death is the epitome of intellectual and ethical being.
You say lions and tuna kill ferociously. Well what about the North Koreans, according to a poster they enjoy cannibalism? And who r we to judge cannibalism? Who r we to judge at all? Being a strict adherent of Plato I say of course we r to judge. We need to judge otherwise we r shells we live based solely on our own desires. Who is to say having sex with an animal is wrong? Why not let some beastiality freak have sex with te cow til it dies? I mean who is to judge? I am writing this and realizing you have to be just joking with me. You can't be such a simpleton.
 

Sure, let's discuss. But, when it starts getting a little uncomfortable for you, just don't go complaining to the mods that I'm being anti-Semitic or whatever other name you wish to call me. I will present facts which will need to be read. I will quote sources.

I have no real interest in debating YOU, personally. My interest is to level the playing field by allowing people to educate themselves, while at the same time challenging conventional propaganda regarding the issues I presume you wish to engage.

I will not get personal, and I will not resort to name calling. I will offer you a challenging debate on whatever it is you want to chat about.

One more thing. I won't respond to previous comments from locked posts. The reason for this is because I would have to literally recreate the theme of those posts and set the context and I don't have the time to do that, and I don't have access to the absurd statements which I was responding to in the first place.
 
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Sure, let's discuss. But, when it starts getting a little uncomfortable for you, just don't go complaining to the mods that I'm being anti-Semitic or whatever other name you wish to call me. I will present facts which will need to be read. I will quote sources.

I have no real interest in debating YOU, personally. My interest is to level the playing field by allowing people to educate themselves, while at the same time challenging conventional propaganda regarding the issues I presume you wish to engage.

I will not get personal, and I will not resort to name calling. I will offer you a challenging debate on whatever it is you want to chat about.

One more thing. I won't respond to previous comments from locked posts. The reason for this is because I would have to literally recreate the theme of those posts and set the context and I don't have the time to do that, and I don't have access to the absurd statements which I was responding to in the first place.

Cfdavid
Well well. So maaaaany rules before this sparring bout. It's like we're the boxing opponents and right before the bout, with 5000 people in the MGM grand ballroom, you wanna pull me aside and say, "ok, we can do this this this and this, but mr opponent, let's not do this this or that. Because that would be bad and I dont wanna do that.".
I am SO happy not to have your character or hatred or spine my friend. And this is an anonymous forum. Wow. So, after breakfast, I'll hop back over here and post my questions for you. Good? Good.
And, oh, I'm going to ask you WHATEVER question I like in regard to your "Jewish hatred" despite your pleas for mercy in your above post.
D712
Ps one thing I agree with is that I won't complain to mods about your anti-semitism.
I have no interest in doing that. I just wanna teach people about ignorant anti-Semites and you're a great "ca-1" case to do so.
 
Ok.

Realize who you're talking to here (Florida redneck), so

gimme some leeway.

ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVISTS ARE FREAKING OUT ABOUT HOW THE ANIMALS WE EAT ARE EUTHANIZED.

Ok.

I get that.

But to

limit your beef consumption? Stop drinking milk? Chickens aren't being cared for properly so now ya gotta eat FREE RANGE EGGS???

I guess what irks me about the outcry for livestock is that

1) we've got starving children in our country that don't care where their next meal comes from.

2) POVERTY in the United States is still an issue. I'm sure anyone on the poverty list would gladly eat a HAMBURGER...kosher, not kosher, whatever...

3) THE UNITED STATES HAS THOUSANDS OF DEPLOYED SOLDIERS FIGHTING A RIDICULOUS WAR IN SOME RIDICULOUSLY FAR AWAY PLACE..MANY OF WHICH DON'T RETURN IN THE NAME OF OUR FREEDOM....thats MUCH MORE IMPORTANT, I'D SAY, THAN HOW A COW IS KILLED FOR IT'S MEAT.


4) The next PETA %^th#$****$% I see crying about some poor animal, I'm gonna yell

DUDE! LOOK AROUND AT THE STARVING CHILDREN IN OUR COUNTRY!!! WE ARE RAISING PROJECT CHILDREN WITHOUT ROLE MODELS AND YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT A $%CKING COW???


A cow is an animal we eat.

There are lost children in our society that would probably climb to a higher level if they had the support from the people

TRYING TO SAVE COWS.

Sorry man.

I LIKE MY RIBEYE RARE, PLEASE.

Agree. PETA is a terrorist organization.
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Cfdavid
Well well. So maaaaany rules before this sparring bout. It's like we're the boxing opponents and right before the bout, with 5000 people in the MGM grand ballroom, you wanna pull me aside and say, "ok, we can do this this this and this, but mr opponent, let's not do this this or that. Because that would be bad and I dont wanna do that.".
I am SO happy not to have your character or hatred or spine my friend. And this is an anonymous forum. Wow. So, after breakfast, I'll hop back over here and post my questions for you. Good? Good.
And, oh, I'm going to ask you WHATEVER question I like in regard to your "Jewish hatred" despite your pleas for mercy in your above post.
D712
Ps one thing I agree with is that I won't complain to mods about your anti-semitism.
I have no interest in doing that. I just wanna teach people about ignorant anti-Semites and you're a great "ca-1" case to do so.

Sure. No problem.

Let me say this once, and only once, however, because being slandered is something I take rather seriously. The accusation of an anti-Semite is serious.

So, before we begin, let me say that I do NOT dislike ANY group of people based upon race, or religion. These are not defining criteria with which I make decisions about how I feel about someone or any particular group. I don't know how else I might clarify this one.

If a particular group of people happen to be of a certain faith or race, or culture, then I can not impact that. It is what it is. By no means would I ever extrapolate that into the ENTIRETY of a people of that faith, race, culture or whatever. This is important for other people to realize.

In the past, I've taken the opportunity to mostly RESPOND TO certain other posters in a way which balances the equation and perhaps sheds some light on things which most Americans likely do not have exposure to or knowledge of. This is in no way a preoccupation of, but rather something which has served to satisfy my curiosity when I've seen inconsistencies in information which have then caused me to research a topic a bit further in an effort to find an answer.

In the past, when I've presented evidence or an alternative (to the average consumer of media) perspective, when it has come to Israel (as opposed to any other nation) posters have cried afoul and threads have been shut down. Based upon PM's I've received from Mods, I feel that they have been shut down at least in part by the constant pleading of certain members of this forum to have information which I've provided to allow for people to make a better informed decision censored.


So, I'll leave a list of topics with which we might begin; You can choose and I'll respond with references as well as videos for people to make informed decisions on the topics listed below. Often people will not have the time or interest in reading large attachments or references which are lengthy. We have lives here, and I'm going to be on and off all weekend because of work. So, videos are particularly helpful in providing an alternative perspective.

We can start with some of these;

*Criticisim of Israel is a slippery slope in American politics. There are reasons why.

*How the charges of anti-Semitism is a classic means with which opponents of Israeli policy, or anything, are silenced.

*Israel does not behave towards the U.S. as the "special friend" which they are often projected by the U.S. media.

*Israel, despite the attitudes of many (if not most) Jewish diaspora, is a land of inequities which are not well known to the American public. I feel there are reasons the American public is kept in the dark.

*The impact of Israeli lobbying, by organizations such as AIPAC, is detrimental to the U.S.

*Israeli settlement building and land stealing is a major source of Arab resentment and this is a serious impedement to the peace process.

*Jews are overrepresented in the U.S. entertainment and media industries and this plays a big role as to why many Americans do not have the same insight as people in other countries on aspects pertaining to Middle East politics. This bias is disadvantageous if one is to make educated decisions regarding politics and policy. (I have not suggesting this is a "conspiracy" but rather a simple fact)

*Jews who are themselves critical of Israel are slandered as "self-hating" Jews, much like gentiles are labeled "anti-Semites". This is a common practice and it is intented to silence debate and the disemmination of differing points of view.



We can start anwhwere above. That's hardly limiting our topics of discussion.
 
who cares how the animal was killed? Is it really that much better to kill the animal "humanely"? your still killing it.. just because your hungry and you like its taste.. dont you think its scared? dont you think it has more of a purpose on earth than to be your meatsicle? so i think this debate about kosher vs nonkosher or humane vs inhumane is moot - your still fricking killing an animal because your hungry..

or are you? wait you actually arent.. you are just paying some crazy psycho to slaughter animals in mass numbers... could you actually kill that animal yourself? would you if you had to do it yourself? If you were out in the wilderness and you were hungry would you rather eat some berries/nuts/grass or hunt and kill an animal, dissect it, and eat its bloody meat?

the modern society we live in tells us eating meat is OK, just like slavery was OK a hundred years ago, and all the people ganging up on the pro PETA people here are completely ignorant of this fact.. go kill the animal yourself and tell me how you like your steak.. do you think that bloody muscle was put here for you to sink your teeth into, or for an animal to have contractile force and move around etc...and the few people who do actually hunt and kill their own meat are maniacs...

animals eat meat because they dont know any better, as enlightened creatures we should realize that this mass murder industry is wrong - no matter how the animal is killed - im not going to kill things because im hungry.. whether it be a chicken or a cow... now drinking milk and eating eggs, who gets harmed there? I would milk a cow or steal chicken eggs in the wild.. so ethically I think its ok to eat those products of animals, not the products that require KILLING it to eat.. muscle is not food

if starving.. ya id eat whatever to survive.. but is that what you all are doing? and is meat the only way to feed these starving poeple? how about a huge bag of rice or corn

WOW!!!!
So don't eat meat, eggs, milk. That's your choice. BUT stop telling me what to do. Get in the Prius and smoke your joint.
BTW - why do you eat plants? They are alive too...
I killed pigs, cows, elks, chickens, rabbits, birds, fish, oysters, clams, pigeons, bears, and so on.
I love to eat my kill. It is allowed by my GOD. I don't torture them.
PETA is a terrorist organization. Like Greenpeace and other. Echo terrorism dude...They are a bunch of psychos. They terrorized me and my family when we went to a great Ringling Brothers Circus show. They were dirty and loud. They looked very hungry too. Maybe they smoked to much pot....
Plato???HUH....
 
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sure. No problem.

Let me say this once, and only once, however, because being slandered is something i take rather seriously. The accusation of an anti-semite is serious.



*criticisim of israel is a slippery slope in american politics. There are reasons why.

Maybe in part because a majority of american sympathies lie with israel. Also most jews overwhelmingly vote democratic. 80% for obama while mccain was clearly more pro israel. Republicans have traditionally been more supportive than democrats on israel. You have to go back to 1920 to find a republican presidential candidate that garnered more jewish votes than the democrat. Including mcgovern, dukakis, carter.

*how the charges of anti-semitism is a classic means with which opponents of israeli policy, or anything, are silenced.

i agree with tom friedman on this one:
Criticizing israel is not anti-semit ic, and saying so is vile. But singling out israel for opprobrium and internatio nal sanction -- out of all proportion to any other party in the middle east -- is anti-semit ic, and not saying so is dishonest" thomas friedman, nyt


the un human rights council in its history has criticized israel almost as much as every other nation in the world combined. Israel is and has been the only permanent agenda item in this organization's history. By the above definition the un is antisemitic.



*israel does not behave towards the u.s. As the "special friend" which they are often projected by the u.s. Media.

Sometimes true. The pollard affair is completely indefensible.

*israel, despite the attitudes of many (if not most) jewish diaspora, is a land of inequities which are not well known to the american public. I feel there are reasons the american public is kept in the dark.

israel is doing its best under difficult circumstances. Outnumbered and surrounded by enemies who don't even recognize its right to exist. Many of its own residents also feel that way. We have had one major terrorist attack and passed the patriot act. Imagine what civil liberties in this country would look like if we had hundreds and shared borders with countries like syria

*the impact of israeli lobbying, by organizations such as aipac, is detrimental to the u.s.

maybe. Reasonable people can disagree on this one. Aipac is influential. The question is that influence untoward? Pacs exist and aipac follows the rules for them. More than any other nation in the region, israel shares us values. I think supporting those who support our values is worthy.

*israeli settlement building and land stealing is a major source of arab resentment and this is a serious impedement to the peace process.

imo there has been a sea change in israeli politics since the failure of taba and camp david 2000-2001 and resulting intifada and suicide bombings. There has always been a minority calling for "greater israel" and grabbing as much territory as possible. That minority became significantly larger in the last decade. Also the influx of jews from the soviet union in the 90s tilted the balance politically. What the israelis want most is to relax in their homes. They honestly don't believe that there is a peace deal that can get them this. They don't believe that the palestinian people can take into their hearts when they look across the border, that israel has a right to be there. That they won't police those among them who take up arms against israel and stop glorifying those who kill israelis. This is necessary, but not sufficient for any peace deal. Even the so called moderate abbas says he will never recognize israel as a jewish state.
In short the majority believe that if peace is not possible, no peace and all of the land is better than no peace and some of the land.


where is your concern for the property and rights of jews who were forced out of arab countries in the aftermath of the 1948 war. Jews have been evicted from every city in the arab world, their synagogues abandoned, their cemeteries bulldozed and their property seized – amounting to losses 50 percent greater than palestinian. These jews were loyal citizens and non-combatants, hundreds of miles away from the war in palestine.


*jews are overrepresented in the u.s. Entertainment and media industries and this plays a big role as to why many americans do not have the same insight as people in other countries on aspects pertaining to middle east politics. This bias is disadvantageous if one is to make educated decisions regarding politics and policy. (i have not suggesting this is a "conspiracy" but rather a simple fact)

*jews who are themselves critical of israel are slandered as "self-hating" jews, much like gentiles are labeled "anti-semites". This is a common practice and it is intented to silence debate and the disemmination of differing points of view.

american jewish zionism is on the decline. However american christian zionism is alive and well. The hillels on campus have distanced themselves from israel as the left as turned its back on israel.



we can start anwhwere above. That's hardly limiting our topics of discussion.
 
It's all about having moral compunction and class. When you kill Rover or Toonces at the vet do you a)piss on Toonces and stomp the little kitties brains out, cuz hey hes gonna die anyways, who cares how he dies or b)humanely let the guy die while being petted by you while receiving a lethal injection. what does it matter we aren't tree hugging losers right we r big macho men who lift 100lb dumbbells and make everything we say matter more by bolding and making our font large cuz we r aspiring writers and we think it's a cool effect?

I'm not about to get involved with this mess, but just wanted to give a shout out to Toonces!!!

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CFDAVID,

Thank you for taking the time to offer areas that we can start to discuss upon. No thanks.

I do like how you feel it's important to educate the American public (on this medical forum full of intelligent people) and that your barometer clearly states that you are the person to do such educating. Thank you, Dr. Einstein. You are so smart. It's a wonder you went into medicine and not Political Science.
I would probably vomit if I saw the sources from which you draw upon.

Let's begin with say a few questions about you. You must have misunderstood my offer, buddy. I don't want to silence any opinions, views, speech. I would just like to see where you stand politically, neo-politically, racially, ethnically, hatred-ly...

After you reply, I suggest we start using "supporting information" and data. Wink wink.

1) Can you, in your own words, define anti-semite? (this doesn't need to be a book, but by all means, knock yourself out.) I would thank the heavens if you kept this SHORTER though. For cogency.

2) Have you formally studied Political Science, i.e. Major or Minor in college? Masters degree?
Be it, American Politics, International Affairs, etc?

3) Do you consider yourself an anti-semite? (based upon your definition of above)? Y/N

4) What are your political leanings? Explain.

5) Do you know who Simon Wiesenthal is? Y/N

6) Have you ever been to a "Holocaust Museum?" Y/N

6a) Would you ever consider going to a Holocaust Museum, or would you find yourself offended? Y/N

6b) Do you feel that the shooter at the Holocaust Museum (that you defended in another post, see below)
has any similar feelings toward Jews or Israel that you have?

7) Have you ever read any Jewish authors that you connect with, and if/so who? Y/N

8) Do YOU hate Jews? Y/N

9) Do YOU believe Jews, at large, have any defining personality or social traits? Y/N

10) If so, what are they?

10a) How many good friends do you have?

10b) Are any Jewish? Have any EVER been Jewish?

10c) Are you in a city/town/area known for having a thriving Jewish population? Y/N

10d) Would you live there if it did? Y/N

11) Do YOU believe Jews "run Hollywood?" Y/N, but perhaps YOU need to elaborate here, in defining run Hollywood. Y/N. Again, I'm not Looking AT ALL, for statistics here, YET, I'm looking for YOUR OPINION.

12) Do you believe Jews, much the way african americans were and have been in this country, unfairly persecuted? Y/N.
Again, we can talk Muslims and Palestinians later. This is to give me a sense of YOUR OPINIONS.

13) Have you ever dated a Jewish person? Y/N

14) Would you ever date a Jewish person? Y/N

15) Have you ever entered into a synagogue? (vacation tourist site or because of a significant other, or event wedding?) Y/N

16) Would you ever enter a synagogue? For example, when I dated a catholic woman, I went to Mass to "check it out." Y/N

17) Have you ever kissed a Jewish person? Either sexually or on the cheek? Y/N

18) Do you think Jews have a right to regain income lost in form of REPARATIONS from countries that participated in the Holocaust? Y/N

19) Do you deny the existence of the holocaust? Y/N

20) Do you think the existence of the holocaust was "blown out of proportion?" Y/N

21) Have you ever been to ANY EVENT that spoke of the desire to hurt, harm, etc, Jewish people? Y/N

22) Would you like to attend such an event? Y/N

23) What goes through your mind when Ahmedinejad talks about blowing Israel off the planet?

24) Do you dislike Israel because it is a "jewish" state?

25) Have you ever been to Israel, and would you ever go there? If yes, why, if not why?

26) What is Zionism? (please keep this relatively short if possible...)

27) Can you name Zionists?

28) What is your feeling about Zionists?

29) when you see long beards on orthodox Jews, how do you feel?

30) how do you feel when you see orthodox jews walking to temple or praying?

31) Are either of your parents, or any members of your close family OPENLY "antisemitic?"

32) Did you ever make fun of a Jewish person? I have. Can you give an example of what you said? Be it growing up,
or last week?

33) Are Jews, at large, per capita, more successful (inventing, businesswise, etc,) than other religious groups? Y/N YOUR OPINION

34) Have you ever eaten Kosher food? Have you ever been offered Kosher food?

35) Have you/Would you ever goto a Bar/Bat Mitzvah? Y/N. Why/Why Not

36) Do you like Steven Spielberg? Munich? Schindler's List?

37) What do you think about Adolf Hitler's dream for exterminating Jews (AGAIN, NOT GYPSIES OR OTHERS) but Jews?

38) You wrote THIS in an old THREAD:

...."My personal view is that we have a "power elite" in this country with their hands in just about everything. You have to give em credit though, because they're as organized as crime can get.
They have their hands in banking, media, "think tanks", NPO's, intelligence, gov't. You name it..." cf
You went on to clarify that you were referring to Jews by the "power elite". Do you stand by this STATEMENT, that is
Jews run all these areas and that in fact you were REFERRING TO JEWS?
Y/N????

You also Wrote this:
....When the owner of US News and World Report is an ardent Zionist who contributes financially to illegal Israeli settlements in some town in Palestinian territories, do you think it's going to be reported that human rights and violations of international law are going to be reported? When Scott Ritter (former chief UN weapons inspector in the pre-Iraq War era and a former US Marine) came out vehimently against any military intervention in Iraq under the guise of "weapons of mass destruction", and has been making an equally voiciferous case AGAINST war with Iran, do you think he's making some powerful enemies?? Ritter was later accussed in the media as beging an alleged PEDOPHILE. These charges were later dropped and sealed, but the damage was done (as was intended. i.e. to FULLY discredit and silence him). What a coincedence that the 89 year old dude that went nuts in the holocaust memorial center and killed the security guard, was also, later accussed of having had kiddy porn material on his computer....

39) So, DOES IT BOTHER you that the "owner" of US NEWS is Jewish? Y/N?

40) Does it bother you that a Jew, rather than a Catholic for example, is in a position of power to run his magazine the way he pleases???? Y/N? DOES IT BOTHER YOU? Y/N?

41) Would you prefer Jews to take lesser positions than to be Editor/owners of News Organizations? Y/N? What religion would you prefer to run these organizations? Y/N?

42) Do you read POLITICAL SCIENCE JOURNALS?

43) NY TIMES?

44) WASHINGTON POST?

45) Other credible sources? Or do you get most of your info OFF THE WEB? From unrealiable neo-nazi organizational claptrap? Y/N?

46) What PoliSci/reputable sources do you get your info from?

47) When did you begin to develop Anti-Jewish/Israel sentiment?

48) You also wrote this: (IN DEFENSE OF THE HOLOCAUST SHOOTER) listen up people:

49)
Or did the ADL and it's smear machine kick into high gear to MAKE SURE he was as discredited as could possibly be??? Maybe?
For those of you out there, CFDAVID thought it was wise to defend a shooter and criticize the shooters' VICTIMS at the holocaust museum. This is where his
mind goes... ADL=Anti Defamation League, a Jewish Organization. So, dude walks in, kills people, at a Jewish location, and CFDAVID finds the fault to be with the ADL.
So, CFDAVID: Can you explain why that is in GOOD TASTE? And how you can defend the actions of the shooter? Kiddie porno dude, or not? And WHY YOU FIND
the ANGLE that is so important for you to TEACH AMERICANS ABOUT IS that of the ADL rather than a CAUGHT RED HANDED JEWISH MEMORIAL SHOOTER? Please.
Enlighten us.


50) What was your first thought when you heard about this shooting?

50a) DO YOU REALLY THINK, the ADL or Jewish orgs REALLY NEEDED TO DISCREDIT a SHOOTER caught RED HANDED? Y OR NO?????
And Why? Be specific. Please.

51) Did you think the ADL was behind the shooting? You conspiracist anti-semite you... : )

52) This is what cfdavid wrote about Israel's battle with the Palestinians over land.
QUOTE=cfdavid Certain things are "controversial", but stealing another people's land in what amounts to ethnic cleansing of certain geographic locations is not one of them.

53) Can you please define, in your own words: Ethnic Cleansing?

54) Do you think the United States of America are ethnic cleansers circa the settling of our own land?

55) Or does ethnic cleansing really mean something different, i.e. Milosevic or Hussein sending gas missiles into certain ethnic areas to outright kill them and keep his power in place?
That is the definition of a rational regime isn't it? Rational in Political Science terms of course. but of course you know that right? You majored in Intl Affairs in Poli Sci at an Ivy like me, right?

56) When you wrote this:

QUOTE=cfdavid "No, the vitriol is a bit more subtle. It comes in the form of blond hair/blue eyed (i.e. Germanic looking) villains in Hollywood..." What did you mean?

57) When you wrote this:

QUOTE= cfdavid: "It comes in sadistic movies produced by Jews...

What did you mean???

58) When you continued on

QUOTE= cfdavid, you wrote...

"which depict German prisoners of war being bludgeoned with baseball bats and scalped in movies like Inglorious Basterds..."

What did you mean?

58a) Do you think these German POW soldiers were on the GOOD SIDE, or the BAD SIDE in WWII? Big picture. Whaddya think?

59) Did you like the movie Pulp Fiction? What about The Departed? What about Casino? What about Goodfellas?
Did you like these movies? Y/N?

60) Is Inglorious Basterds offensive to you because it involves people chasing down NAZIS? Y/N?

61) Should Jews be equally entitled to telling a story about chasing Nazis as an Italian is in telling a story about a Casino? Or the Boston Mob? Y/N?

62) So what offends you about portraying Germans that are brunette AND blonde haired in Basterds?

63) Do you think Mel Gibson said anything accurate about Jews? Y/N?

62) What 5 Jewish Producers do you know personally?

62a) What 5 non-Jewish Producers do you know personally?

62b) What 5 people do you personally know that live and or work in Hollywood in a leadership position?

62c) Where do you get your Hollywood Jew data from? What are your sources?
Do you respect these sources? Y/N?

63) I'm a rock star in Hollywood, so careful now, you're on my turf fella, who are 10 most influential sitcom writers in LA right now?
Drama show creators? Animation creators? Does it bother you that Jews are SUCCESSFUL or NOT in Hollywood? Y/N Name these people please.
No need to wiki, right?

64) Do you think Jews have a right to tell their story of the Holocaust in Hollywood? As much as an African American actor, Denzel for example,
has to tell the story of slavery?

65) How many JEWS do you personally believe were killed in Europe between 1935 to 1945?

66) Have you ever worn or do you own any National Socialistic memorabilia?

67) Back to ethnic cleansing: you wrote: QUOTE=cfdavid
"....Essentially, ethnically cleansing of one ethnic/religious group in favor of another. Is this not what the Germans set out to do??"
So, Y/N are you OR ARE YOU NOT DIRECTLY comparing Israel to the Nazis? Y/N?

68) Y/N - do you see ANY difference between what Hitler/Nazis did during Holocaust to Israel fighting to keep their homeland peaceful? YES. OR NO.
If you see a difference, what is it?

69) You wrote these words:
QUOTE=cfdavid: "****The hypocricy arises from international Jewry's afront to ANY other group/ethnicity/religion to self-determine their own culture and traditions."
Do you stand by this statement? Y/N
What countries do Jews not want to let have their own group/ethnicity?

69a) Did you interview with any Jewish PDs on the trail? Did you rank those programs lower
because of your frustration with Jews being/or not successful in medicine too?

69b) Do you have any Jewish mentors? Are they your friends

69c) Do you have any Jewish friends that have invited you for Shabbos?

69d) Passover?

69e) Would you eat matzo ball soup that was kosher?

69f) Would you eat pretzles that are kosher?

69g) Do you avoid movies directed by Jewish directors?

69h) Jewish producers?

69i) Do you avoid working with Jewish doctors when possible?

69j) Do you, frankly, have warm fuzzy feelings for any Jewish person/people?
If so, please explain.

69k) Or would you rather go Nazi on any of them and really, generally, dislike Jews?

69l) Do circumcised Jewish penises in the locker room bother you?

69m) Dose circumcision as a Jewish practice, that has been adopted in non-Jewish parts,
bother you? As a doctor. And as a human. Please explain.

69n) Are you circumcised?

69o) Would you like me to circumcise you?

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Humor is the best medicine, right? 👍

70) Can you see, as we wrap up, why some, based upon these readings, would classify you as a TYPICAL anti-semite?

70a) Ironically, do you remember using the term KOSHER in an old post? Even though it was in quotes, you used it juuuuuuuust the way you asked us to reflect upon not using it. Does this make you sad? Make you wanna cry?

71a) Anti=against. Semite= Jewish. Are you against JEWS'?

71) And if THESE QUOTES ARE what you'll post on an ANONYMOUS INTERNET FORUM, can we agree that your TRULY, PERSONAL, INTIMATE FEELINGS
when you are not worried about a Ban at your dinner table, or worried about a MOD slapping your wrist, are SIGNIFICANTLY MORE
ANTI-JEWISH and ISRAEL? YES. OR NO.


Thank you for playing, I really do hope you answer EVERY SINGLE Y/N question AS POSED. And of course clarify where you feel the need.

Since there are about 100 questions here, (70+some multi part questions) you will be graded on a) how many you DIRECTLY answer b) how many you honestly answer and c) how many you feed BS to, d) how many you WONT answer for some FOCACTEH (yiddish, sorry) reason, thus doing the political sidestep.

I'd wish you a GUT SHABBAS but I know you don't like Jews.
I, for one, would love you to just out and admit that. I would
give you HUGE points for being honest here. 👍👍👍

And considering we'll never meet, what do you have to hide behind?

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It's all about having moral compunction and class. When you kill Rover or Toonces at the vet do you a)piss on Toonces and stomp the little kitties brains out, cuz hey hes gonna die anyways, who cares how he dies or b)humanely let the guy die while being petted by you while receiving a lethal injection. what does it matter we aren't tree hugging losers right we r big macho men who lift 100lb dumbbells and make everything we say matter more by bolding and making our font large cuz we r aspiring writers and we think it's a cool effect?

Actually, Mea, I can vouch for Jet's writing skills away from this forum. He's a "writer", not just aspiring. There's a difference.

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Wow this is a battle royale To end all battle royales. My wife went to Brandeis so I feel I can speak freely. Look I think Jewish people are great, I am pro Isreal. But why are so many Jews Democrat? I know Christian conservatives are Republican because their conservative But jews i would think would be conserative especially since so many Repubs are on the side of isreal. I for one hate politics. I am gung ho independent I vote my conscience. I've voted democrat repub and voted for the little guy Perot. I love anyone who will use a chart in a debate. I mean you have to hand it to Jewish people they r smart they kick a$z militarily. Look at what happened in 1967. That was in my mind one of the biggest military defeats or wins in history. Tiny Isreal kicked some serious a$z. Isreal vs the entire middle east and Isreal kicked butt. The complaint I do have is that Jewish people whine too much. The saying is Jews invented guilt and Catholics perfected it. I understand the holocaust was awful but a lot of people's died, it seems like everyone else that died is never mentioned all you ever hear about are the Jews who died in the holocaust. In Polish holocaust 6 million were killed three million were Catholics.
Who cares if most people in showbiz and media are Jews? Most basketball players are black most baseball players are white. Kevin Youkilis is a Jew, go Sox. That's what makes America awesome we have many different people's and they tend to find niches and perfect that niche. I say more power to them.
 
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"no peace and all of the land is better than no peace and some of the land"

Well, that just seems like a cop out to me. The land issue is the biggest issue surrounding peace, not this sillyness that they somehow deny Israel the right to exist. I really believe that "denying Israel's right to exist" is often taken out of context. After all, Israel as DEFINED by what? Which borders?

It's all about the land, and the equitable distribution thereof. We'll just have to disagree on that.

I would absolutely disagree with and even go on the offensive against those whom would suggest that Israel (any Israel) doesn't have the right to exist as a physical entity.

Settlements continue to be built on Arab land. It is what it is. But, I just don't see how these settlements (illegal) are contributing to peace. Rather, I am of the opinion that they are a major obstacle to peace.

Doze, we've gone over all this before. I don't think we'll see fully eye to eye on this one.

As for the property rights of Jews who's land was confiscated after the war, I would support those property rights just as much as the property rights of Arab land in Palestine or Israel.
 
Wow this is a battle royale To end all battle royales. My wife went to Brandeis so I feel I can speak freely. Look I think Jewish people are great, I am pro Isreal. But why are so many Jews Democrat? I know Christian conservatives are Republican because their conservative But jews i would think would be conserative especially since so many Repubs are on the side of isreal. I for one hate politics. I am gung ho independent I vote my conscience. I've voted democrat repub and voted for the little guy Perot. I love anyone who will use a chart in a debate. I mean you have to hand it to Jewish people they r smart they kick a$z militarily. Look at what happened in 1967. That was in my mind one of the biggest military defeats or wins in history. Tiny Isreal kicked some serious a$z. Isreal vs the entire middle east and Isreal kicked butt. The complaint I do have is that Jewish people whine too much. The saying is Jews invented guilt and Catholics perfected it. I understand the holocaust was awful but a lot of people's died, it seems like everyone else that died is never mentioned all you ever hear about are the Jews who died in the holocaust. In Polish holocaust 6 million were killed three million were Catholics.
Who cares if most people in showbiz and media are Jews? Most basketball players are black most baseball players are white. Kevin Youkilis is a Jew, go Sox. That's what makes America awesome we have many different people's and they tend to find niches and perfect that niche. I say more power to them.

Well, Mea, I was brining up Jews in Hollywood as a question and topic of frustration and annoyance to our local anti-semite: CFDAVID. I agree. I could care less who is in the writers' room. But unfortunately, I don't think CFDAVID agrees with me on this one.

Yes, MANY people have died through battles, torture, ethnic cleansing, and the like. It's just that the HOLOCAUST was on the largest scale of the 20th century, so, ya know, it's kind of recent and sucks. We hear PLENTY about other killings. you just have to listen and read. Doesn't lessen the Holocaust any, does it? So, we're vocal and talk about it and ask for ATTENTION TO IT, so it never happens again. If Iraqis or Egyptians or other groups don't speak up, sorry. We also hear about the horrors African Americans went through during and through America's birthing. And in 1965 - I think that was the year, we FINALLY put through some legislation to begin to attempt to fix things toward equality. It is a start.

Not sure about Jewish political allegiances. I used to vote DEM now REP mostly due to 9/11. I think they fall toward DEM voting and politics because there are certain conservative groups, that when they get tooooooo conservative and toooooooo extremist, they fall into haters of Jews. i.e. No gay rights, no interracial marriages, disavowing certain immigrant rights, sodomy is still illegal in Georgia, Jews deserve less rights as they didn't come over on the Mayflower, etc etc.

Right CF?

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