Philadelphia programs-IM

[krdstargate]

Hi I am planning on applying to a lot of philly area or close to philly programs since both my brother and sister live in and around the area. My grades will not be good for U of Penn and even Thomas jeff may be tough. But I still intend to apply. I am looking for hospitals that will have good teaching and where you see a wide variety of patients. Here are the programs I am thinking of:

Thomas Jeff
Penn state
Drexel
Temple
Penn Hospital
Lehigh Hospital

Albert Einstein
Reading hospital

I had a question regarding Penn Hospital. Someone told me that the program was disorganized. However, he told me this info is about 4 yrs old before it officially become part of the Penn Health system. Does anyone have more recent info regarding their IM residency. And how does it compare to university hosp like drexel or temple? I guess I have the same questions for lehigh.

And I just picked Albert Einstein and Reading hospital because they seem to be big tertiary care centers. Does anyone have any useful info on them?

Thanks in advance.

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[theunderdog]

Based on your list alone..

Jeff and Temple are probably top. Drexel is a notch below. And then Albert Einstein (affiliated with Jefferson) is a notch below Drexel.

Can't give you much about Lehigh or Penn State. Or Reading. But the ones above are primarily in Philly.

Penn Hospital (NOT UPENN university hospital) -- i heard is pretty good. however, it is a small program. I think 10-12 categorical each year. first ever hospital though in the country.

 

[Brian Griffin]

Based on your list alone..

Jeff and Temple are probably top. Drexel is a notch below. And then Albert Einstein (affiliated with Jefferson) is a notch below Drexel.

Can't give you much about Lehigh or Penn State. Or Reading. But the ones above are primarily in Philly.

Penn Hospital (NOT UPENN university hospital) -- i heard is pretty good. however, it is a small program. I think 10-12 categorical each year. first ever hospital though in the country.

FYI - the Albert Einstein medicine residency program is not affiliated with Jefferson. Just the Albert Einstein Hospital is an affiliate with the Jefferson Medical school (i.e. Jefferson students rotate there). The two programs are completely separate.

 

[phisigman03]

FYI - the Albert Einstein medicine residency program is not affiliated with Jefferson. Just the Albert Einstein Hospital is an affiliate with the Jefferson Medical school (i.e. Jefferson students rotate there). The two programs are completely separate.

Is the Albert Einstein program tough to get in? I am from RossU (a caribbean school) with 217 on step 1 and will taking step 2 CK this sept. Do I have a shot at this or should I go for good comm. programs?

 

[smq123]

Hi I am planning on applying to a lot of philly area or close to philly programs since both my brother and sister live in and around the area.

Don't forget to add Lankenau. It's a suburban program, close to Philadelphia, in a nice part of town. It's a community program, but they've got good teaching and some really good attendings.

Is the Albert Einstein program tough to get in? I am from RossU (a caribbean school) with 217 on step 1 and will taking step 2 CK this sept. Do I have a shot at this or should I go for good comm. programs?

Not particularly. Einstein is mostly FMGs, but the teaching from the FMGs is often (from what I've heard) phenomenal - many were attendings in their home countries and so are used to being efficient. This leaves them more time to teach.

Many of my classmates who did their MS3 rotations at Einstein loved it there, and went into IM based on their experiences at that site.

 

[ResidentMD]

Don't forget to add Lankenau. It's a suburban program, close to Philadelphia, in a nice part of town. It's a community program, but they've got good teaching and some really good attendings.



Not particularly. Einstein is mostly FMGs, but the teaching from the FMGs is often (from what I've heard) phenomenal - many were attendings in their home countries and so are used to being efficient. This leaves them more time to teach.

Many of my classmates who did their MS3 rotations at Einstein loved it there, and went into IM based on their experiences at that site.

Really Lankenau? Good to know. I didnt look at that one. Do you know anyone who has done a residency there? Would like some inputs. PM me if possible. Thanks

 

[Vaderize]

Look at Abington also, suburban program, beautiful hospital, VERY supportive faculty, never violate work hours, all electronic, including notes, H and P's, etc. Great subspecialties. Excellent fellowship placement track record, also in a nice part of the 'burbs.

Great program director and chairman, as well.

 

[brotherlyluv4me]

I'd try to stay away from Temple if you have other choices. I'm a PGY-2 here now and it is NOT what they promised on the interview trail. The teaching is awful, there are so many social work issues that it interferes with the ability to practice medicine/deliver care, and the morale of the residents is the lowest since I've been here.

Let me give you specific examples:

Teaching - They have brought in a for-profit organization to cover their hospitalist roles. These guys are the worst. They are only interested in discharging patients within 48 hours so they get paid more for the hospitalization. In addition, many of them have a language barrier and have just recently graduate residency. So they're teaching is on the level of residents, not attendings.

Social Work Issues - can be said for any inner-city hospital, but Temple has been promising a new system for 1.5 years and has yet to deliver. I still find myself calling ambulances, nursing homes, and insurance companies.

Morale - What apparently used to be a program with great camraderie has withered down to nothing. When I was an intern, i quickly found myself at the recieving end of blame. Fingers were quickly pointed. At the medical school I was at, they would say it's never the intern's fault. Not so at Temple.

The upside? Extremely sick patient population, requiring hard work, and a great opportunity to learn hands on Medicine like at Jefferson.

Bottom line, if I could do it all over again, I wouldn't pick Temple, I'll tell you that much.

 

[ussdfiant]

I'd try to stay away from Temple if you have other choices. I'm a PGY-2 here now and it is NOT what they promised on the interview trail. The teaching is awful, there are so many social work issues that it interferes with the ability to practice medicine/deliver care, and the morale of the residents is the lowest since I've been here.

Let me give you specific examples:

Teaching - They have brought in a for-profit organization to cover their hospitalist roles. These guys are the worst. They are only interested in discharging patients within 48 hours so they get paid more for the hospitalization. In addition, many of them have a language barrier and have just recently graduate residency. So they're teaching is on the level of residents, not attendings.

Social Work Issues - can be said for any inner-city hospital, but Temple has been promising a new system for 1.5 years and has yet to deliver. I still find myself calling ambulances, nursing homes, and insurance companies.

Morale - What apparently used to be a program with great camraderie has withered down to nothing. When I was an intern, i quickly found myself at the recieving end of blame. Fingers were quickly pointed. At the medical school I was at, they would say it's never the intern's fault. Not so at Temple.

The upside? Extremely sick patient population, requiring hard work, and a great opportunity to learn hands on Medicine like at Jefferson.

Bottom line, if I could do it all over again, I wouldn't pick Temple, I'll tell you that much.

I'm a Temple med school grad and recently completed my residency at another inner city Philadelphia university program on Broad St. (nuff said). When I did my medicine sub-I at Temple that is also the vibe I got which is why I went elsewhere. BTW, I am constantly getting emails from Cogent about the Hospitalist positions at Temple. I decided to do non-academic Hospitalist work for a while to build up some experience before trying to teach residents 1-2 years behind me.

 

[kelaskov]

Hi, I'm very interested in the im program at Pennsy, any current/former med students or interns care to share their opinions?