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Nice announcement from UTHSCSA about becoming the new sports medicine partner for the San Antonio Spurs.

Podiatry will be fully contributing.

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Actually don't lock, I wanted to ask a serious question: what exactly makes a podiatrist a sports medicine specialist?

In residency, I was at a teaching hospital with orthopedic sports medicine fellows. At some points, I'd chat them up about foot/ankle surgery and they'd just shrug. Most athletes injure their knees/shoulders and that was their focus. Yeah there's Achilles, lateral ankle, Jones fx, but not the mainstay of their work.

It’s not about non-surgery vs. surgery (more accurately “when to perform surgery”).

It’s about working on a medical team to keep a professional athlete in the game and avoid injury.

This is a pretty good take, I understand there are a lot of nonoperative MD sports docs who do just this, focus on training, rehab, nutrition. In some ways, it's highly specialized but in others it's not specialized at all. You could be a MD, DPM, PT, RD...

At one point at a conference, I talked to Amol Saxena (whom I respect) at a conference about this. I asked him what kind of services he can offer an athlete beyond any other highly trained foot and ankle surgeon who doesn't identify as a sports medicine specialist. He talked about lisfranc sprains, lateral ankle injury, etc but nothing that's beyond anyone with well rounded training.

At a different conference (AAPSM), Saxena said "the difference between a podiatrist and a foot and ankle surgeon is if you're doing more cases per month than orthotics, and the difference between a sports medicine podiatrist and a foot and ankle surgeon is if you're doing more Shockwaves than cases."

In the fellowship thread I joked that I would start a sports fellowship, since basically anything can be a fellowship. By that same token, unless I'm missing something, anyone can be a sports medicine specialist if that's how they want to market themselves. So what am I missing?
 
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Nice announcement from UTHSCSA about becoming the new sports medicine partner for the San Antonio Spurs.

Podiatry will be fully contributing.

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Any student or future student going into podiatry and thinking that they will go into sport medicine and be treating athletes will be very surprised. It is not like professional teams are scrambling and looking for podiatrist to join their medical team. Neither are they looking for a hand specialists to join the medical team. They will rather have an ortho sport medicine specialists who treats the whole body.

Sure Dr DeHeer is the team Podiatrist for Indiana Pacers but anyone ask him if the Indiana Pacers or any other team are hiring and looking for a podiatrist. Podiatrist has a lot of exceptional people who found a niche but that can't be said for the majority. You can't go into this profession thinking that you will be the next Dr DeHeer and be a team podiatrist. Once again you will be highly disappointed.

How can anyone sell/promote podiatry to future students that they will be sport medicine specialists and treating athletes.

After completing residency, only type of athlete most podiatrist will be treating will be athlete's foot.
 
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Any student or future student going into podiatry and thinking that they will go into sport medicine and be treating athletes will be very surprised. It is not like professional teams are scrambling and looking for podiatrist to join their medical team. Neither are they looking for a hand specialists to join the medical team. They will rather have an ortho sport medicine specialists who treats the whole body.

Sure Dr DeHeer is the team Podiatrist for Indiana Pacers but anyone ask him if the Indiana Pacers or any other team are hiring and looking for a podiatrist. Podiatrist has a lot of exceptional people who found a niche but that can't be said for the majority. You can't go into this profession thinking that you will be the next Dr DeHeer and be a team podiatrist. Once again you will be highly disappointed.

How can anyone sell/promote podiatry to future students that they will be sport medicine specialists and treating athletes.

After completing residency, only type of athlete most podiatrist will be treating will be athlete's foot.

I think once you do a residency, fellowship, maybe another fellowship before doing a couple of ACFAS courses before another fellowship and then work in private practice for 100k for 35 years you’ll be able to find a Serbian basketball team to be a podiatrist for
 
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Also, and this is my personal opinion, but I would not want to be the team podiatrist for anything higher than high school, and even then I wouldn't want to deal with their parents. Sorry, VIP patients are a PITA. I don't know anything about Aaron Rogers personally, he might be very pleasant and down-to-earth, but I'm glad he and I are staying in our respective lanes.
 
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Also, and this is my personal opinion, but I would not want to be the team podiatrist for anything higher than high school, and even then I wouldn't want to deal with their parents. Sorry, VIP patients are a PITA. I don't know anything about Aaron Rogers personally, he might be very pleasant and down-to-earth, but I'm glad he and I are staying in our respective lanes.
Are there any high school teams looking to hire a podiatrist?

Point is there are no good jobs out there let alone sport medicine specific jobs. Anyone going into podiatry and saying you want to specialize in sport medicine ..... well I have a bridge to sell you.
 
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Also, and this is my personal opinion, but I would not want to be the team podiatrist for anything higher than high school, and even then I wouldn't want to deal with their parents. Sorry, VIP patients are a PITA. I don't know anything about Aaron Rogers personally, he might be very pleasant and down-to-earth, but I'm glad he and I are staying in our respective lanes.

Athletes can have devastating surgical complications as well... routine 'speedbridge' repair on a former #1 NBA draft pick. Guess he shoulda stuck to the heel lifts from the team's sports med physician.

 
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Are there any high school teams looking to hire a podiatrist?

Point is there are no good jobs out there let alone sport medicine specific jobs. Anyone going into podiatry and saying you want to specialize in sport medicine ..... well I have a bridge to sell you.
That is the whole point: selling.

If people believe this stuff will help them, they'll buy it... in the form of CAQ, fellowship, pod school X will help them "specialize," whatever.

This stuff is not unique to podiatry.

ABPM did a wound CAQ to start the program and meant to compete with CWS, etc... the sports med CAQ one was barely applied for, and the surgery CAQ one was a personal power/conflict thing that face-planted. The CAQ program LCR started will probably die when LCR is out of ABPM (he should be, but extended his prez term with BOD all quitting).

Don't mistake these being offered for them being helpful... they're a product, pure and simple.
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... It is not like professional teams are scrambling and looking for podiatrist to join their medical team. Neither are they looking for a hand specialists to join the medical team. They will rather have an ortho sport medicine specialists who treats the whole body...
It is usually quite the opposite:

Docs are looking to do the work. Even the ortho groups and PT groups usually pay the pro teams (or major college teams) direct or indirect for the relationship. Some volunteer the time or take an extremely low wage for saying they're the "team doctors," "official team law office," "official team car dealership," etc. They know they'll get it back on marketing/branding.
 
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Are there any high school teams looking to hire a podiatrist?
Not hire, but someone could call up the athletic director of the nearby high school, do a couple of talks in the form of community outreach, be a resource on a voluntary basis. It's a nice thing to do. I thought about doing it but then I was concerned some youngster might want to follow in my footsteps :/
 
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1. Partnering = paying money for good publicity/marketing.
2. Classic NBA move to look like they are charitable by giving back to the community, again for minimal effort to maintain good PR.

This is nothing more than a marketing tactic. Again, theres 15 players on an nba team roster. Add the G-league and rotation guys throughout the year. You'll be treating maybe 5-10 injuries in a full year for the team. No one is running to the podiatrist for basic wear and tear. And certainly. not surgery to podiatry. Sure you are "fully contibuting" but wth does that translate to, 50k a year in consulting? 100k? Its fantastic for marketing the doctor and future jobs to all those fans. "I helped treat Victor Wembanyama". I Love it. But lets be real its embarrising that they never mention podiatry and your just stroking your own ego. Congrats youll be able to generate more RVU now.
 
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Really a lot of h8rs in this group.

Have a good weekend. Try to relax.
I’m pretty sure - correct me if I’m wrong - if Wemby had a LE injury, the team ortho or Bob Anderson MD will be doing the surgery.
 
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I’m pretty sure - correct me if I’m wrong - if Wemby had a LE injury, the team ortho or Bob Anderson MD will be doing the surgery.

A lot of people here don’t really understand how “team docs” work on the professional level. The Cowboys ortho is probably an exception to the rule, NFL players from all over fly into Dallas for Cooper to fix their knee. And so he might be one of the few orthos on a sideline on Sunday who will actually surgically treat local players. But if it’s a foot or a hand they still probably go elsewhere.

Feli alluded to it, but most “team ortho” groups simply are the highest bidder, it’s marketing. Professional athletes will seek out the “best” for surgical intervention regardless of who the “team doc” is.

So being the “team podiatrist” simply means you’re available to give some input and help with conservative treatments in season and out of season when needed. Not sure why that gets dumped on here. It’s not like it’s unique to Podiatry. Same goes for most “team orthos” that you see on a sideline or behind a bench at a professional sporting event.
 
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I’m pretty sure - correct me if I’m wrong - if Wemby had a LE injury, the team ortho or Bob Anderson MD will be doing the surgery.

The difference is I’m building a world-class program.

I’m unlikely to be moved by some anonymous SDN keyboard warrior who claims that can do everything.

These complaining posters will never be at the level that is needed.

But they are free to complain.

Someone can certainly can apply. But without a fellowship, they better have unquestionable experience to justify their position.
 
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The difference is I’m building a world-class program.
Based on your posted article it seems that the world-class program is being built by "Guy Nicolette, MD, CAQSM, associate clinical professor." I am sure he is just there for the input but there is no chance that a DPM is operating on a professional athlete at your facilities.

I’m unlikely to be moved by some anonymous SDN keyboard warrior who claims that can do everything.
On the contrary, we are saying DPM world cant and will not do everything. You were the one that posted the sports-med DPM job at UTSA would be a non-surgical position.
 
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This is getting so old at this point. All you complainers are grasping at straws now. It's embarrassing
 
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This is getting so old at this point. All you complainers are grasping at straws now. It's embarrassing
Lol. It is getting old... a thread promoting his current employer's marketing effort partnership (which doesn't even mention podiatry).

And thread to promote the fellowship he's affiliated with.

And threads about the new pod school he's connected to, that will likely cause residency shortage.

And many threads to try to promote the ABPM board he worked for and their various agendas / products.

Let's not forget the 'surgical showcase' thread of highly questionable work that often costs taxpayers a fortune and ends up BKA a month later.

...It's definitely old. But the responses to repeated pretentious threads and self-promotion attempts should be unsurprising.
...what do you think would happen if I started threads on the sports in my city (with articles making no mention of foot/ankle or podiatry or me)?? I'd fully expect to get laughed at for being fanciful. Same above.
 
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Lol. It is getting old... a thread promoting his current employer's marketing effort partnership (which doesn't even mention podiatry).

And thread to promote the fellowship he's affiliated with.

And threads about the new pod school he's connected to, that will likely cause residency shortage.

And many threads to try to promote the ABPM board he worked for and their various agendas / products.

Let's not forget the 'surgical showcase' of highly questionable work that often costs taxpayers a fortune and ends up BKA a month later.

...It's definitely old. But the responses to repeated fanciful self-promotion attempts should be unsurprising.
...what do you think would happen if I started threads on the sports in my city (with articles making no mention of foot/ankle or podiatry or me)?? I'd fully expect to get laughed at for being pretentious and fanciful. Same above.
Partnership - is a good thing

Fellowship - literally who cares. If you don't like the fellowship don't engage with it

New pod school - not even mentioned in this thread. Keep punching air

ABPM - is better than ABFAS. No need to get into the ABFAS is a garbage organization discussion here

You and others derailing every thread with complaints - yes, is getting old
 
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Maybe an ignorant question, but are team podiatrists a new thing? I think it’s pretty cool.
No, KSUCPM was pretty famous for allowing students to shadow the Cleveland Cavs team podiatrist. Not sure if they do that anymore. I went to his office to shadow probably about 8-9 years ago. Great dude
 
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Maybe an ignorant question, but are team podiatrists a new thing? I think it’s pretty cool.
Barry has a faculty member who's been the Miami Heat podiatrist (and other local teams) for decades. He lectures and works with pod students, residents, fellows.

They just have low key articles or info about it on their website... they don't have other faculty members actively promote it on on SDN, though.
 
A lot of people here don’t really understand how “team docs” work on the professional level. The Cowboys ortho is probably an exception to the rule, NFL players from all over fly into Dallas for Cooper to fix their knee. And so he might be one of the few orthos on a sideline on Sunday who will actually surgically treat local players. But if it’s a foot or a hand they still probably go elsewhere.

Feli alluded to it, but most “team ortho” groups simply are the highest bidder, it’s marketing. Professional athletes will seek out the “best” for surgical intervention regardless of who the “team doc” is.

So being the “team podiatrist” simply means you’re available to give some input and help with conservative treatments in season and out of season when needed. Not sure why that gets dumped on here. It’s not like it’s unique to Podiatry. Same goes for most “team orthos” that you see on a sideline or behind a bench at a professional sporting event.

I gotta say as PM&R this is true for FM, PM&R, and DPT “sports medicine.” Thankless low value work. Lots of clinicians are so full of themselves lmao.
 
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So being the “team podiatrist” simply means you’re available to give some input and help with conservative treatments in season and out of season when needed. Not sure why that gets dumped on here.
I think the thing that's being dumped on is the fact that this position is advertised as only available to those with incredible amounts of experience in treating athletes or someone who did a podiatry sports medicine fellowship (which would be someone who doesn't have a lot of experience as all these fellowships are fairly new).

And the fact that this position would be most likely sub 200k as the salary is not advertised and non-surgical. So those applying would be ones willing to work for low pay and never do surgery, which would once again not be the most experienced candidates.
 
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And the fact that this position would be most likely sub 200k as the salary is not advertised and non-surgical. So those applying would be ones willing to work for low pay and never do surgery, which would once again not be the most experienced candidates.

...But he's building a world-class program!
 
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And the fact that this position would be most likely sub 200k as the salary is not advertised and non-surgical. So those applying would be ones willing to work for low pay and never do surgery, which would once again not be the most experienced candidates.

Not sure what the pay is but it’s been stated in a different thread that this is a surgical position. Just because you aren’t operating on Wemby doesn’t mean you aren’t doing surgery. A lot of folks here have awful reading comprehension skills
 
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"Dr. Bondi is a podiatrist at Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN. She received her DPM degree from Scholl College of Podiatric Medicine and completed her residency at Yale New Haven Medical Center. In addition, she holds a MS in Biomedical Sciences from Rosalind Franklin University and is finishing her MS in Forensic Sciences from National University, where she is also a member of the Alpha Phi Sigma Criminal Justice Honor Society. She is board certified by the ABPM with a CAQ in Podiatric Sports Medicine. She is a member of the IAI, APMA, and ACFAS, as well as a diplomate of the ACPM and fellow of the AAPSM. In addition, she serves as an Adjunct Assistant Professor of Podiatric Medicine and Surgery at Western University of Health and Sciences."
 
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