madrigal01
MS State c/o 2029
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##########Vote Clem############
Clem still being alive as town is a bigger problem since nobody will ever clear himIs it? If the odds of both being mafia are roughly equal, then why does one distress you more?
Clem easier to wolf readIs it? If the odds of both being mafia are roughly equal, then why does one distress you more?
I seeClem still being alive as town is a bigger problem since nobody will ever clear him
what did you learn?But I read StardeWW 2 for scum!JJJ meta...
💯Yeet PSV
That he was wordier, hedgier, and did more busy work than he did here. Also that StardeWW had a wild setup and really good flavorwhat did you learn?
What can you tell me about the flavor?That he was wordier, hedgier, and did more busy work than he did here. Also that StardeWW had a wild setup and really good flavor
JJJ was Mayor Harvey lolWhat can you tell me about the flavor?
Was just checking in.JJJ was Mayor Harvey lol
They killed that poor Dwarf (PSV?) last, rip
My body is readySo I'm going to post everyone's post count in a bit because you all are choking if you thought I wasn't going to be anal.
oh, I thought you were fishing for compliments for me and I appreciated it tbhWas just checking in.
It’s easy for a wolf to be like “damn I did all this work for the person who got nightkilled, darn”
I know it’s moot and you can just lie to me but I’m going to ask anyway. Before the night kill his did you feel about Jay?JJJ was Mayor Harvey lol
They killed that poor Dwarf (PSV?) last, rip
Yeah, I think PSV's middle of the roadness has shielded her from stronger scum reads, but the lack of really towny stuff in her ISO started to bother me overnight. On a more speculative level, the night kills and her meta of taking the Champs rep to the end feel like good indicators, too
Was feeling pretty good tbh. Obviously a meta sample of 1 wolf game vs this unknown wolf game is small (esp since I didn't read many posts really), but I compared like posts to like (a few interaction posts and a trustfall), and he felt much townier this game.I know it’s moot and you can just lie to me but I’m going to ask anyway. Before the night kill his did you feel about Jay?
Like, compare this StardeWW trustfall to his latest here:A quick try at a trustfall of my own while I have a moment:
Barky - received a vouch from AM, who is said by many to have a strong read on them. Would be a somewhat awkward fit with Stagg. Has generally seemed authentic to me at the vibes level.
Lawpy - led a multi-cycles crusade of sorts against Stagg. Received vocal support from AM, who has been credited with a "god read". Has struck me as overtly town at face value consistently since replacing in for Coopah.
miranda - was vouched for pretty ardently by genny, who has just died. Seems to be trying her best in a difficult game to make a positive difference, in the thread and out.
SAR - placed the tie-breaking vote for Stagg in the previous day phase. Received strong vouching from Dubz.
PSV - placed the tie-making vote between mighty and Vis with about two minutes to spare in Day 1. Has generally struck me as authentic.
It's not just that the one here is bigger, it's that it's more detailed, more opinionated, more substantial (though I think some of his placements here weren't the most sensical - me being below SAR and madrigal being where she was felt off to me, if you actually analyze the strength of his reads)I'll extend the Trustfall I mentioned earlier to do both sides. I am going to list quick reasons to trust and to distrust every player. Anything that comes to mind is going on the page. I'll throw in some "null" things {n} that could be alignment indicative, but I'm not sure which way to go with them. I will then place them in order from most town to least town.
KayJayQueue
++ highly unpairing interactions with mayo, single best town indicator in the game for me
+ highly engaged solver in an awkward, unfamiliar environment that never lost steam as the mafia got spanked early -- only gained WIM
n unknown commodity that could have a stellar wolf game; I have no idea
n suspected by Santy, trusted by vampyrica
- missed the Day 1 vote
Animal Midwife
++ mayo treated her much like he treated me -- as an "obvious town" commodity not worth even approaching with "suspicion"
+ placed a vote for genny that tied her with moonster at 4-4 with two minutes remaining in Day 1 (extended: not known for bold busses)
+ conveyed a boss attitude of soaring confidence that I would expect from amid after a Day 1 mafia elimination and a Day 3 claim war
+ trusted by both Santy and vampyrica
n genny never mentioned nor responded to AM at all
n correct 3 out of 6 flipped players in the GTH exercise (called genny town, vampyrica mafia, and Zenge mafia)
- was extremely closed to the possibility that Zenge was town and has repeated that conduct to a milder degree with PSV
- held a pro-mayo stance for most of the game before Zenge's tracker flip
madrigal01
+ placed a meaningful vote for genny (placed her in a 3-2-2-2 tally lead over Zenge, samac, and KJQ)
+ trusted by both Santy and vampyrica
n unknown commodity that could be more comfortable than the usual first-time-playing-randed-wolf types
- minimally engaged in the communal solving effort until prompted
samac
+ placed a tie-breaking vote for genny that assured she would die (gave genny a 5-3-2 lead over moonster and Zenge; also not known for bussing)
+ decent interactions with mayo
n null interactions with genny
n - correct on 2 out of 6 flipped in the GTH exercise (called mayo town, genny town, vampyrica mafia, and Zenge mafia)
- lightly trusted by Santy, stronger suspicion for vampyrica
- held a pro-mayo stance for most of the game before Zenge's tracker flip
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Clem J
+ on the right side of history when discussing the mechanical process at hand between Dina and mayo
+ has a group of town reads (AM, madrigal, samac) that is reasonably consistent with where I've been on reads
+ mayo was pretty antagonistic about Clem in a way that is consistent with pursuing an easy elimination
- Day 1 vote for KJQ was weak and never moved
- never mentioned genny on Day 1
- never mentioned mayo before the tracker/doctor drama except for one joke (click)
- suspected by both Santy and vampyrica
potentialsheltervet
+ voiced resistance to the moonstermash wagon on Day 1 that almost replaced the genny elimination
+ one of few players to show consistent vigilant skepticism of me as town tend to do
+ trusted by both Santy and vampyrica
n correct on 5 out of 6 flipped players in the GTH exercise (called mayo town)
n null interactions with genny
-- left pointless vote on me on Day 1 instead of picking a side between Zenge, moonster, and genny (placed vote 36 minutes to EOD)
SARdoghandler
+ started the game with good energy when she had more time
n - trusted by Santy, distrusted by vampyrica
n null or faintly positive interactions with genny
n correct on 4 out of 6 flipped players in the GTH exercise (participated late; called vampyrica and Zenge mafia)
- seems to be losing steam as the game gets worse for mafia
-- left a pointless vote on Clem on Day 1 instead of picking a side between Zenge, moonster, and genny (placed vote 3 minutes to EOD)
moonstermash
+ trusted by Santy and null-read by vampyrica
+ one decently unpairing moment with genny -- click here
n was pro-mayo and anti-Dina in their claim war, against the grain
n was wagoned by at least 3 town players at EOD 1 and almost overtook genny
n correct on 5 out of 6 flipped players in the GTH exercise (called vampyrica mafia)
- seems to be losing steam as the game gets worse for mafia
It's not. We killed the vig and then the strongman.Well at least I don’t have to be paranoid about JJJ anymore. But that’s really unfortunate. I wonder if it’s at all possible he saved someone N2 and genny wasn’t vig. His ISO is daunting though to look for crumbs on who he might’ve protected. And with no way to know for sure, it’s probably a fool’s errand.
I will say I don’t know if I’d use the meta. The difference is I was in her pocket for quite a while in last years game and AM is definitely not in her pocket.Yeah, I think PSV's middle of the roadness has shielded her from stronger scum reads, but the lack of really towny stuff in her ISO started to bother me overnight. On a more speculative level, the night kills and her meta of taking the Champs rep to the end feel like good indicators, too
(I've discounted madrigal because 1) I ISO'd her - will share later - and 2) I think a team with an SDN newbie killing another SDN newbie overnight is a tactical error tbh)
How do we know that? Did I miss something? I know mayo was strongman but how do we know the last scum isn’t vig that shot n2? Am I just overthinking? I don’t think it really matters to our solving but I guess I don’t know how it’s a definite from your pov. I’m trying to go over everything and I’m blanking on what I’m forgetting.It's not. We killed the vig and then the strongman.
How do we know that? Did I miss something? I know mayo was strongman but how do we know the last scum isn’t vig that shot n2? Am I just overthinking? I don’t think it really matters to our solving but I guess I don’t know how it’s a definite from your pov. I’m trying to go over everything and I’m blanking on what I’m forgetting.
wer u twn?Anyway, I have a confession
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I won a game in F4 on my homesite during EOD4 here 🎉
Sorry for multitabling, though. Technically that game started signups/play before y'all even really started talking about this game, and I wasn't expecting it to start so soon, but I was already committed. I also can't remember the last time I multitabled and I really don't like it tbh
Town Investigator, evenwer u twn?
I have no meta to prove or disprove this but I think the way she interacted with me day 2 and continuing after that was just not the way I feel a wolf would handle a new player that’s an unknown entity. She made no attempt to make me feel “comfortable” (that might be the wrong word but I’m on hour 14 at work so my brain isn’t functioning at full capacity) at any point this game and I think scum would be a bit more…I dunno, timorous? Though it doesn’t seem like her personality to be overly self conscious as either alignment but I do think the nuances lead me to say she’s town.I’ve had a lot of people ask me my thoughts on AM, but I want to know yours independently.
Outside of her voting genny and mayo how do you feel about her? Do you think we’re getting duped? Why is she still alive? Should be looking there more seriously?
Thoughts?
@madrigal01 @KayJayQueue @moonstermash @SARdoghandler @potentialsheltervet
Would explain why mayo didn't bus genny, I guess?It's not. We killed the vig and then the strongman.
Okay
And, more importantly, why genny bussed mayo.Would explain why mayo didn't bus genny, I guess?
Just AM and I think.Can someone remind me who all voted genny that’s still alive?
I know samac did, I think she’s tattooed that on her forehead at this point lol
I didn’t vote genny.
samac, me, and mad.Can someone remind me who all voted genny that’s still alive?
I know samac did, I think she’s tattooed that on her forehead at this point lol
I didn’t vote genny.
Oh madCan someone remind me who all voted genny that’s still alive?
I know samac did, I think she’s tattooed that on her forehead at this point lol
I didn’t vote genny.