Not a wolf, so doesn't matter. You said that wolves are killing villagers when the wolves are being village read. We don't have the data to make this claim
I also just want to note that Dina’s readsikelyndidnt factor into her kill at all.
And again that's not what I said at all but alright.
Well, you sure aren't making any attempts to clarify what you are saying then no matter how many times I ask.
Dina and JJJ kills can both partly be explained by PR hunting; their legacies are less relevant but not irrelevant. Now, given they break the pattern, I'm thinking it's easier for a wolf to brush off sus from a dead PR as a setup/WIFOM while getting non-supporters out. And wolves rarely make kills for a single reason...
I don’t think santy and vamp were killed for the same reasons but maybe that’s just me.
Why would JJJ be PR hunting though? Did he say anything that makes you think he’s a PR? I sure didn’t.
I think santy was killed because he was literally begging people to vote genny and that’s the most obvi town anyone can be and they wanted to get him while they have a strong arm but ya know maybe I’m nuts
Answered already by quoting myself, but to put it another way: I think PR kills give a chance to break the pattern of framing townies, while not having to be as accountable to their suspicion.
POE. I claimed VT, KJQ slipped it, you and madrigal have VT energy. Makes it a 50/50 between JJJ and AM for wolf!PSV.
You honing in so hard on PSV and eliminating me and mad from the kill pool for “VT energy” is making me feel real eye twitchy rn.
That’s what I was implying, yeah, I agree.
Where’s SAR in your world?
I didn’t “slip” it, I’m not an idiot; but scum might have the POV that they “solved” me, sure.
That's certainly part of it, but wolves would have considered other angles, too. And I think my theory is plausible - lock in Santy being wrong on the other two wolves, hoping we bring up his legacy (or they can do it themselves).
Maybe it’s because I’m VT this game but I’ve just been over here vibing. Was he obviously doc to you? Why?
IDK, but I think that means the practice is helping tbh
What I am saying boils down to this:
I more meant that I spewed myself VT with how I treated Zenge. I realized my mistake as soon as he flipped.
I think it's reasonable to take it as a slip regardless of your intent, and I don't think it makes you an idiot regardless.
This is assuming the wolf's priority for last night was PR hunting at all, which is not where my brain went considering we're approaching an even night. Hm.
If they had another angle for killing santy, it doesn’t seem apparent. They made sure nothing could stop that kill. I don’t think it was about his day 1 reads, it was that he was locktown. Not one person would ever vote him after that and they knew that, so I am not going to entertain that the reason we should be focusing on is his readslist.
I forgot SAR? Lump her in with the VT energy I guess, but at worst it's a 33% chance otherwise IMO.
I agree with this take.
How many times have you been yeeted as a wolf in SDN games if we're going to talk generally instead of literally anything I cased you for?
So you’re sure 100% it’s PSV?
Sure, you can take it as speculative and unconvincing, but I still maintain wolves rarely make kills for just one reason.
Uh, all but one of them?
So why do you think it’s impossible that Jay protected you N2 and you/vamp were both shot at? I’d really like to know why. There’s no reason not to explain with all the PRs dead.
Oh, so it's scummy to widen the POE and scummy to narrow it? Might as well just kill me now, the standard for towniness is unreachable then lolYou honing in so hard on PSV and eliminating me and mad from the kill pool for “VT energy” is making me feel real eye twitchy rn.
Really? I don't remember that because I played in all but one of them.
Beg for death? Lol
Because, again, I had already spewed myself VT. There's no reason to waste a shot like that unless, exactly, they think I'm the odd protector.
Like I can see exactly why vamp was killed. The strategy of that kill worked exactly how they wanted.
If you're attempting a gotcha based on WW memory, you win automatically. I don't maintain a list of all my games and it took me half an hour to count what me and SAR played together.
So I think there’s 2 traps with scum and you kind of hit the nail on the head. They know everyone is village but them and can narrow it too far. Leaving off SAR and honing in on “oh it’s just PSV!” leaves room for PSV to flip village and go “whoopsie I gotta re-evaluate all my reads” and pull someone else out of the town pile the next day. It’s a decent strat tbh.
Then why would you be the protection target every night? These things aren’t adding up. You can’t simultaneously be so important to save and yet also not worth scum killing. Make up your mind lol
Seriously, I probably start by eating my vegetables and scrutinizing you (samac) and AM lol
Either answer the question or admit that you can neither defend against my actual case nor this hypothetical one that you attempted to trick me with.
Would you intentionally kill someone you knew was protected? Be for real here.
Fair, but (self-meta warning) you overestimate my scum game lol
What if the doctor was me, vamp or madrigal? Are you saying you think the three of us would think you’re priority #1 based off you being loudly wrong day 2? You weren’t the only one. You’re making a LOT of assumptions. No one knew who the doctors were or they would’ve been targeted by scum before one was outted.
Well, you weren't so I don't see why it matters. Regardless, I do actually believe vamp and mad would have protected me. They saw I was mech cleared. PRs weren't finding each other unfortunately but they did find me by N1.
I also think madrigal is a miss. Like I said before, I think it's a tactical mistake for wolves with an SDN newbie to kill another SDN newbie (more newbies provides more cover), and although her ISO is short and has a lot of NAI content, what little is there leans town. (Thin gruel, won't fill you up, but it's something.)
The underlined part especially feels like a good catch (if true), and I don't remember anyone else making this point. And overall the sus feels fair and understandable from town!madrigal's perspective.
Your actual case makes no sense to me. I told you previously it feels like you would tunnel me and never consider me cleared regardless of what I did and thus I would continue looking for wolves. That's why I'm sporadically touching on whatever case you claim.
That's the second time you didn't answer me this cycle.
