@Animal Midwife@SARdoghandler if you can word vomit any last minute thoughts in case moon self hammers or mad comes on and doesn’t read and just rolls with it I’d appreciate it.
Moon still feels more like a scrambling wolf trying to buy enough cycles to win. PSV feels more like a defeated villager still trying to solve imo. This is operating in a world where our POE of two is w/v which I am currently comfortable in, even knowing you are trying to put the tinfoil hat on Samac 😂
Moon still feels more like a scrambling wolf trying to buy enough cycles to win. PSV feels more like a defeated villager still trying to solve imo. This is operating in a world where our POE of two is w/v which I am currently comfortable in, even knowing you are trying to put the tinfoil hat on Samac 😂
That the POE is wrong! You've been lamenting it for a few hours now 😂😂😂 I like a good tinfoil as much as the next but I'm really hoping that this is a w/v final two in the eel pool
Everyone that isn’t in those 2 categories was online. Mad could’ve claimed to have not read up. Samac/AM could’ve feigned frustration with me and a desire to end the day because I was ruining it. I’m not scum.
That the POE is wrong! You've been lamenting it for a few hours now 😂😂😂 I like a good tinfoil as much as the next but I'm really hoping that this is a w/v final two in the eel pool
I’m trying to work out if it is still going why.
I have a hard time rolling over and saying we got em without mech knowledge. I even let PSV skate by like 1-2 extra cycles last year lol
And yes, I have a townread in my PoE. My read doesn’t absolve someone from being in a PoE and being in a PoE doesn’t mean I’m scumreading them. For the record.
And yes, I have a townread in my PoE. My read doesn’t absolve someone from being in a PoE and being in a PoE doesn’t mean I’m scumreading them. For the record.
I'm fine with it tbh. I think AM and Samac are most clear with vote analysis, and if you want to village read madrigal more than me I can follow your logic. If you're opening up your POE to 3, then based on your read progession I'm not surprised to be on it
Outside of her voting genny and mayo how do you feel about her? Do you think we’re getting duped? Why is she still alive? Should be looking there more seriously?
I'm kinda with KJQ here where I'm confused as to why they're calling themselves mechanically cleared. I'm happy that they voted the two wolves but so did most everybody lol so I don't think that town clears them specifically. They haven't had particularly strong takes outside of today so I understand why they are still alive; why would a wolf kill someone that isn't causing them to be accused? Other than knowing they come from MU that's about all my thoughts on them
They haven't had particularly strong takes outside of today so I understand why they are still alive; why would a wolf kill someone that isn't causing them to be accused? Other than knowing they come from MU that's about all my thoughts on them
I'm kinda with KJQ here where I'm confused as to why they're calling themselves mechanically cleared. I'm happy that they voted the two wolves but so did most everybody lol so I don't think that town clears them specifically. They haven't had particularly strong takes outside of today so I understand why they are still alive; why would a wolf kill someone that isn't causing them to be accused? Other than knowing they come from MU that's about all my thoughts on them
Also give me a little credit here, I do my best to read everything before commenting and voting. I don't know why there's an issue with how much I post, do y'all not have lives and ****?? The mods told me the minimum is ten per day, I've hit that every time. I also in general try to put all my thoughts in one post instead of spacing them out, and there's a benefit to not immediately calling out something that's been posted. I also have less than 2 months to pick up my entire life and move to vet school, so this past week has been hectic asl
Also give me a little credit here, I do my best to read everything before commenting and voting. I don't know why there's an issue with how much I post, do y'all not have lives and ****?? The mods told me the minimum is ten per day, I've hit that every time. I also in general try to put all my thoughts in one post instead of spacing them out, and there's a benefit to not immediately calling out something that's been posted. I also have less than 2 months to pick up my entire life and move to vet school, so this past week has been hectic asl
Sorry, no hate. I don’t know if you’re a read everything and post kind of person or a just post kind of person.
Glad you’re hitting the minimum! It can just be kind of hard for me to get a beat on someone if I’m not directly interacting with them which tends to come from people who post and say a little more. It’s hard for me to follow lower posters to be honest, it’s a me thing. Not a you thing
Is it just today’s actions that moved AM down? I know you said your read on her was from other people you could trust before - who was that? Is she independent now given AM moved down your reads list?
Is it just today’s actions that moved AM down? KJQ- I know you said your read on her was from other people you could trust before - who was that? Is she independent now given AM moved down your reads list?
Is it just today’s actions that moved AM down? I know you said your read on her was from other people you could trust before - who was that? Is she independent now given AM moved down your reads list?
I think I'm going by everyone else's general vibes about the votes as well. If there's one thing I've learned about mafia, it's that the people who come into the day guns blazing have PR (which is very interesting knowing the rest of them are dead), so that's been a lot of what's influencing my decision (you the past three days, AM today.) But I don't think I'm willing to give up the bit on moon and PSV just yet so that's why they're higher. KJQ, I think the towny read was mostly from JJJ, but he's dead now lol. I'm trying to not be the easily influenced noob, so the fact that they're trying to endear me to them so much honestly makes me a little scared.
I think I'm going by everyone else's general vibes about the votes as well. If there's one thing I've learned about mafia, it's that the people who come into the day guns blazing have PR (which is very interesting knowing the rest of them are dead), so that's been a lot of what's influencing my decision (you the past three days, AM today.) But I don't think I'm willing to give up the bit on moon and PSV just yet so that's why they're higher. KJQ, I think the towny read was mostly from JJJ, but he's dead now lol. I'm trying to not be the easily influenced noob, so the fact that they're trying to endear me to them so much honestly makes me a little scared.
Thank you! Funny enough I’m usually a little more sheepish when I’m a PR because I don’t want to draw the NK. It’s interesting how different folks can be.
Thank you for your explanation.
Just to make sure I understand - So you have some reasons on PSV vs moon you’re not wanting to share yet?
And it sounds like JJJ was a town read you were just scared of him being good scum? I just ask because PSV and JJJ were listed in the same tier yesterday. Trying to understand how your reads are evolving.
I think I'm going by everyone else's general vibes about the votes as well. If there's one thing I've learned about mafia, it's that the people who come into the day guns blazing have PR (which is very interesting knowing the rest of them are dead), so that's been a lot of what's influencing my decision (you the past three days, AM today.) But I don't think I'm willing to give up the bit on moon and PSV just yet so that's why they're higher. KJQ, I think the towny read was mostly from JJJ, but he's dead now lol. I'm trying to not be the easily influenced noob, so the fact that they're trying to endear me to them so much honestly makes me a little scared.
I think you’re town and I’m much more drawn to defending you because I like playing the game with you. We’re both new to the site plus you don’t come off as being high on your own supply so to speak. So it’s much more refreshing to see your additions to the game than some of the other predictable, stale reads.
Well anyway, you can absolutely sus me. You can even lead a wagon against me if you want. For me, dying is almost a win/win situation anyway loll
Thank you! Funny enough I’m usually a little more sheepish when I’m a PR because I don’t want to draw the NK. It’s interesting how different folks can be.
Thank you for your explanation.
Just to make sure I understand - So you have some reasons on PSV vs moon you’re not wanting to share yet?
And it sounds like JJJ was a town read you were just scared of him being good scum? I just ask because PSV and JJJ were listed in the same tier yesterday. Trying to understand how your reads are evolving.
I think that AM made some good points on PSV at the start of 'today.' I've always wolf leaned on them a little bit, but mostly because of their awwards and quotes on their signature, since those are really the only "meta" I have to go off of. I'm basically doing my list on who I would vote to kill next, should the previous one flip town. For moon, I just know that the general consensus on them was 'them next if Clem flips VT', which they did so that's basically what I'm going off.
At this point I know I don't belong in the big leagues so I'm letting most other iso's and opinions sway me even though I know that's probably not great kthxbye
I think that AM made some good points on PSV at the start of 'today.' I've always wolf leaned on them a little bit, but mostly because of their awwards and quotes on their signature, since those are really the only "meta" I have to go off of. I'm basically doing my list on who I would vote to kill next, should the previous one flip town. For moon, I just know that the general consensus on them was 'them next if Clem flips VT', which they did so that's basically what I'm going off.
At this point I know I don't belong in the big leagues so I'm letting most other iso's and opinions sway me even though I know that's probably not great kthxbye
Since moon mentioned looking at the game from a v!me world, it's only right for me to grant her the courtesy of doing the same and thinking about "what if moon is village".
mad: I still can't see madrigal as anything but a new villager and moon's flip would not change that.
AM: saying "okay, but only because you asked" and unvoting me to pursue genny/a packmate instead of voting moon or Zenge or so is not a move I can see AM pulling given her detestation of deepwolfing.
samac: theoretically if genny were beseeching to be killed perhaps, but this is extraordinarily unlikely to me given genny wasn't definitively going down and the timing of samac's vote.
KJQ: really seems unpaired with mayo
SAR: would be very strange to go in on mayo D1, but not impossible.
("the noob" here refers to KJQ)
Weighing whether Mayo would be more likely to list the last wolf in his list of probable Dina partners or to leave them out.
("the noob" here refers to KJQ)
Weighing whether Mayo would be more likely to list the last wolf in his list of probable Dina partners or to leave them out.
("the noob" here refers to KJQ)
Weighing whether Mayo would be more likely to list the last wolf in his list of probable Dina partners or to leave them out.
Town:
JJJ - obvious. Has been driving the discussion toward a solid village bloc. Getting as much information out as possible. Doesn’t fit well with Dina.
AM - Gennyvote clears her. I was reading her village before, but would be either way
Samac - was sus of her D1 but came around based on Genny vote and gameplay since
Madrigal - no big aha moment, but is playing like a friendly new townie making a good effort.
Fringes, likely town:
SAR - felt great D1, but has fizzled over the past day or two. Could be busy IRL, but the inconsistency is there. Fits with Dina in theory
Moon - Based on content, I can’t help but call moon village. The point about the D1 moon wagon makes sense,
KJQ - has moved up my reads as she has become more engaged with the game today. Still compatible with Dina, but less likely that the three below.
Wolf:
Dina - this is the only read I can say with 100% certainty
PSV - probably pairs the best with Dina leading up until today.
Today, Some of the questioning of me seemed a bit disingenuous. Both suggesting I should and shouldn’t have acted differently with last night without really suggesting what that would have been. Timeline doesn’t add up super well.
Clem - Has contributed nothing of value that I’ve seen. That may be NAI for Clem. He’s the player that is most compatible with a Hail Mary CC in my book.
Well, he did list five players (aka 1/3rd of the game) as scum so he was potentially allowing enough room to back up on genny if needed.
I strongly suspect he'd list the other teammate as town in that case but that is unhelpful considering he called everyone currently alive town except samac.
Hey, so, if someone wants to bring something to town’s attention, why not just let it be a conversation for a minute before shutting it down and trying to dictate how people play the game. That’d be really cool.
Hey, so, if someone wants to bring something to town’s attention, why not just let it be a conversation for a minute before shutting it down and trying to dictate how people play the game. That’d be really cool.
By comparison to SAR, PSV comes in hot and much more focused on the game. Given PSV's style, I can see how she's a harder read in general, though. She asks a lot of questions, doesn't always take clear stances, isn't usually that verbose. I can also see how it makes her a good wolf.
Overall, her stance of paranoia and mistrust does feel like a town archetype I'm familiar with, and makes more sense for an uninformed player. I've seen good wolves mimic it, but they tend to be more chaotic players overall. (For example, Twice Shrunk, if any of you are familiar. If not, don't worry about it.) So, PSV is lean town as well.
I was almost tempted to put SAR above PSV in my reads during this, tbh. But, there's no questionable posts in PSV's ISO that I saw, just not anything super-towny, either.
And maybe the greenest flag for PSV, compared to SAR, is that looking at her pattern of play, it seems like PSV has a wider range of game-related interactions, though that might partly be meta or playstyle. Like, I couldn't neatly group PSV's posts the way I did SAR's, because it felt like she hit on a little bit of everything. Whereas SAR's towniness feels more evident in individual posts, but she also has more variance of towniness between posts, if that makes sense? So it may come down to what you value/think is more towny as a playstyle, IDK.
More specific thoughts below:
Understandable progression on my early play, I suppose. But hard to read into, especially given my bias here tbh
This is the first post that feels towny to me. I think wolves would be more likely to take samac at her word, given they know she's town. So to question/deny it feels uninformed. (Also understandable, that was one of my first thoughts lol)
I will say, there's a pattern of PSV questioning mildly and then not really judging the answers. On the one hand, it's fair, and I don't expect everyone to be making reads on every post; but on the other hand, it's harder to read into.
Implied paranoia of JJJ (that will become explicit later) tracks with meta and makes more sense as town IMO. Not unfakeable, but the consistency and development throughout the day feels towny
First part feels like she's paying attention to the game/JJJ. But thinking about it, what's the actual issue here? It's not a contradiction to have meta on one player and not another. (But weirdly that kinda feels more towny than pointing at an outright contradiction, which wolves can easily do. And again, it tracks with her JJJ paranoia.)
A little self-centered, towny lol
Terrible progression and "case" for voting samac, which ironically feels more towny than not (wolves tend to at least try so they look better)
Towning mayo and scumming genny noted.
Granularity of read on Zenge/meta about BoWWling and how it connects to this game feels decent, especially what I underlined
While this is basically entirely a theory/meta post, and thus usually I'd say NAI, the thought to point this out feels towny? IDK, maybe that's too charitable.
Feels consistent with the type of player PSV seems like, and not being worried about "having enough scum reads" feels towny.
A little bite here, feels towny. I also like the specificity of "Zenge's perspective/thoughts here are relevant and make sense, maybe samac's, but nobody else's."
This feels like deepening sus of JJJ while towning samac, which naturally leads to her next post:
Smidge of towny entitlement re: activity read? And JJJ vote is consistent, without feeling overly telegraphed or agenda-driven.
Too many people argued against a genny D1 yeet for all of them to be wolves, sigh. This sus of genny feels stronger than SAR's, though?
This is consistent with Jay sus, even if I think the argument is incorrect (as Jay pointed out, all but one of these people were in his POE). Also, shades of self-centered and entitled play that feels towny.
Possibly her only direct interaction with either mayo (D1) or genny? I can't say it's unpairing tbh.
I deleted a few other posts where she questioned SAR about this, she was really a dog with a bone lol; leans towny
Mayo also poo-poo'd the KJQ wagon. But the argument that KJQ doesn't give much info is maybe a shade townier by comparison.
It's a meta conversation, which is generally NAI, but there's a subtle sense of sus I feel from this (and the accumulation of the other posts) that leans towny. At the very least, I think a wolf would be more likely to push this as explicitly sus.
LOL
Obviously this read burned me with mayo, but PSV looks like she doesn't care to save genny. However, she at least took a position on the two of us, rather than ignoring it entirely.
And, I've quoted it a couple times, but there was an exchange where Zenge asked moon to consider a third wolf in a genny/mayo/? world and moon refused to engage in the hypothetical.
And, I've quoted it a couple times, but there was an exchange where Zenge asked moon to consider a third wolf in a genny/mayo/? world and moon refused to engage in the hypothetical.
Also I never wanted to put AM back into the POE with my questions I wanted to see how people would shift her around and if I gave them enough of a rope would they hang themselves?
I mean, this would explain some stuff. I'd like everyone to acknowledge this claim, though, in case the real tracker is someone else. (I'd ping but they're broken grr...)
I've seen people argue you should kill the cop to confirm the clears, if scum won't do it for you. Even if we believe your claim, it's not that outlandish to double-check tbh
These could read as a progression where scum!moon was wanting either the tracker to counterclaim plus get zenge out or push out a towny doing a gambit, then realizing zenge is actually tracker (giving mayo result) and doing everything to get him out no matter what.
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