Professional title / Degree for Board certified Anesthesiologist ?

[susruta]

Most of the anesthesiologists and specialists in many countries have a title for Board certified/ equivalent training. Eg: FRCPC in Canada, FRCA in the UK, etc.
However, I have not seen that in the US.
Is there anything that is officially used? If not why so, especially given the effort that goes into the training.

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[deleted162650]

DABA

 

[susruta]

DABA

Thanks. How about for subspecialty training like Cardiac or pain or peds, etc ?

 

[urge]

Thanks. How about for subspecialty training like Cardiac or pain or peds, etc ?

There is no such thing in the US.

There is a FASE for echo, and a FAAP for pediatrics, but all it means is that you are willing to pay several hundred dollars every couple of years to put those letters behind your name.

DABA would be the closest to the FRCA but it is not an American thing.

 

[deleted162650]

Thanks. How about for subspecialty training like Cardiac or pain or peds, etc ?

Ya, I was just kidding dude. But I think I might add DABA to my coat just to compete with the nurses.

SaltyDog, BS MD DABA LMFAO

 

[deleted171991]

Actually it's "D.ABA" not "DABA". Isn't that stupid? Plus who cares? Almost every idiot gets board certified after 3-5 years of trying. American board certification exams are a joke and mean nothing, as long as the board does not make the percentile results public. How cool would it be to be able to look up whether your physician is in the top or bottom 10%? Either that, or drop the passing rate to 30-50%, even after multiple tries. The ABMS and its satellites are just a moneymaking worthless industry.

FRC* is a brand people know and recognize. Most American physician titles don't mean crap for patients. Even I don't know most of them.

 

[urge]

FRC* is a brand people know and recognize. Most American physician titles don't mean crap for patients. Even I don't know most of them.

I have met my fare share of incompetent physicians with FRC* after their name. It's the same everywhere.

You are just anti American.

 

[deleted171991]

You are just anti American.

I am just wrong.

When 95-99% of residency/fellowship graduates are board-certified, the whole board certification doesn't mean crap. In any country.

 

[AdmiralChz]

FRC* is a brand people know and recognize. Most American physician titles don't mean crap for patients. Even I don't know most of them.

I have no clue what FRC-anything means, to most of my colleagues they are throwaway letters to be honest. Letters after your name are cool and all, but not sure they mean much. I've never hard of D.ABA which I agree is almost laughable, but I wouldn't say the certification process is a joke FFP - it reeks of bias against American training.

FASE,FASA,FAHA means more to the academically-inclined for CV purposes which is totally fine - they imply you are actively involved in the representative society. I actually didn't know what they meant so I looked it up earlier. Doesn't really speak much to patient care.

As a patient with a little more knowledge than than average bear I'd just want a competent, board-certified (or eligible) physician. Most don't know (or don't care) about that, and just want a competent and caring physician who interacts well in the sandbox.

 

[urge]

I have no clue what FRC-anything means, to most of my colleagues they are throwaway letters to be honest. Letters after your name are cool and all, but not sure they mean much.

It means they passed the board in the UK or a UK colony. FRCA- Fellow of the Royal College of Anaesthetists, FRCS - Surgeons.
Australia, New Zealand, Canada, etc, all have a variation of the same thing.

 

[urge]

I am just wrong.

When 95-99% of residency/fellowship graduates are board-certified, the whole board certification doesn't mean crap. In any country.

Board certification used to be prestigious when it was voluntary. Once they started requiring it for credentialing it meant everyone had to have it and it lost the cachet. Blame the hospital credentialing industry.

 

[deleted171991]

I have no clue what FRC-anything means, to most of my colleagues they are throwaway letters to be honest. Letters after your name are cool and all, but not sure they mean much. I've never hard of D.ABA which I agree is almost laughable, but I wouldn't say the certification process is a joke FFP - it reeks of bias against American training.

How can I be biased against my own training? Plus I was not speaking about the training, but about board certification, which I still consider a joke compared to what it should be (in most specialties and subspecialties - anesthesiology is actually among the more serious ones). Especially if we want to stand out from midlevels.

By the way, this kind of thinking is a very anti-intellectual slippery slope: if you criticize anything American you are anti-American. That's how extremists think. I can accept it from a blue-collar *****, but not from a physician. Maybe it's because 95+% of those who go to medical school in this country graduate.

 

[urge]

Maybe it's because 95+% of those who go to medical school in this country graduate.

There you go again.

Remind me again why it is you migrated to this country and not all those other wonderful ones you are always talking up.

 

[deleted126335]

Board certification used to be prestigious when it was voluntary. Once they started requiring it for credentialing it meant everyone had to have it and it lost the cachet. Blame the hospital credentialing industry.

Yup. It was never meant to be a minimum standard. It was meant to be a mark of distinction. When it did become a minimum standard, ABA was forced to cheapen it.


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[deleted171991]

Board certification used to be prestigious when it was voluntary. Once they started requiring it for credentialing it meant everyone had to have it and it lost the cachet. Blame the hospital credentialing industry.

I blame the boards. The boards are greedy and want to make their millions to spend at lavish conferences that double as vacations and pay their directors ridiculous amounts. That's the cause, not credentialing. It's the other way round: if every ***** and his grandmother are board certified, not being one is a marker of serious issues.

All the boards had to do was to say: we are a marker of excellence, not competence. Competence is the graduation diploma. But they went from Nordstrom to becoming Walmart, because they realized they can make more money.

Even in the current system, they could have also created an excellence tier, for the best doctors, even just by publishing the percentiles. But again, that's not something a profit-obsessed organization does.

I really don't care about having my own incompetence plastered around the Web, but I would love not to be led or treated by people who know even less than I do.

 

[deleted171991]

There you go again.

Remind me again why it is you migrated to this country and not all those other wonderful ones you are always talking up.

I apologize for overestimating you. You can't recognize sarcasm/jokes, not even when marked by a smiley.

No country or system is perfect. Recognizing one's faults and learning from others is what smart people do, and it's actually more patriotic than admiring the emperor's clothes. Btw, I can't recommend a better certification system; all I am saying is that this one sucks for me as a patient. Also, as a doctor who's put many hours into it, I would love for it to be a true marker of quality, not just another Step 3.

 

[urge]

I apologize for overestimating you. Next time, I'll just imagine I am talking to a high school dropout. You can't even recognize sarcasm.

Ad hominem attack.

You lost.

Ad hominem attacks are ultimately self-defeating. They are equivalent to admitting that you have lost the argument.

 

[deleted171991]

Ad hominem attack.

You lost.

Maybe you should re-read your own posts.

I "lost" the moment I ignored my ignore list. Why the heck do I even bother posting here?

 

[urge]

Maybe you should re-read your own posts.

I "lost" the moment I ignored my ignore list. Why the heck do I even bother posting here?

I'm not the one who made an argumentative mistake.

 

[deleted171991]

I'm not the one who made an argumentative mistake.

I couldn't care less about my "argumentative mistakes". I come here to exchange ideas with smart people, have fun and/or learn something. For me this is a cooperative game, not a zero-sum one. My frustration is not from "losing" an argument, it's from wasting my time with people who care mostly about "winning", name-calling, trolling etc. Lately, it has been the rule, not the exception. Anyway... I don't want to derail the thread even more.

 

[AdmiralChz]

In case anyone is curious as I was, here's some information about becoming a Fellow of some particular relevant societies to Anesthesiology. They appear to be fairly rigorous and have some stringent criteria. Mostly for academic types like I said before, but I've seen some of these out in the community as well. Obtaining subspecialty training is only one facet of earning the designation.

FASE - http://asecho.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/FASE_2013_Brochure-CheckList_web.pdf

FAHA - Fellow of AHA (FAHA)

FCCM - SCCM | Apply for FCCM

FACS doesn't appear as stringent (only requiring a few references and board certification) which is probably why you see so much more of it around, information here - Become a Fellow (US and Canada)

FACS is $600 in annual dues, unsure on the others. That's pretty expensive for minimal benefit, in my opinion, unless you can convince your workplace to cover it.

 

[deleted126335]

In case anyone is curious as I was, here's some information about becoming a Fellow of some particular relevant societies to Anesthesiology. They appear to be fairly rigorous and have some stringent criteria. Mostly for academic types like I said before, but I've seen some of these out in the community as well. Obtaining subspecialty training is only one facet of earning the designation.

FASE - http://asecho.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/FASE_2013_Brochure-CheckList_web.pdf

FAHA - Fellow of AHA (FAHA)

FCCM - SCCM | Apply for FCCM

FACS doesn't appear as stringent (only requiring a few references and board certification) which is probably why you see so much more of it around, information here - Become a Fellow (US and Canada)

FACS is $600 in annual dues, unsure on the others. That's pretty expensive for minimal benefit, in my opinion, unless you can convince your workplace to cover it.

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[vector2]

Ya, I was just kidding dude. But I think I might add DABA to my coat just to compete with the nurses.

SaltyDog, BS MD DABA LMFAO

Indianapolis Nurse Anesthetist Inducted as a Fellow into Renowned Nursing Academy

Indianapolis Nurse Anesthetist Inducted as a Fellow into Renowned Nursing Academy
For Immediate Release
October 18, 2013 For more information,
contact Armentia Snyder

Park Ridge, Ill. – The American Association of Nurse Anesthetists (AANA) congratulates Indiana resident Jacqueline Rowles, Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist (CRNA), MBA, MA, ANP-BC, FAAPM, DPNAP on her induction as a Fellow into the American Academy of Nursing (AAN). Rowles will be inducted during the AAN’s annual meeting, taking place October 19, 2013 in Washington D.C.

Rowles brings nearly two decades of nurse anesthesia experience, and is considered an expert in pain management. Rowles is the first nurse anesthetist in Indiana to work exclusively in the field of comprehensive pain management, and she led the way in the protection and expansion of CRNA pain services both at the state and national levels. She also developed and taught the first interventional pain management cadaver course for CRNAs. Rowles currently practices at Meridian Pain Group in Indianapolis, Ind.

“Fellowship in the American Academy of Nursing affords me the opportunity to partner with other nurse leaders from around the country to address current health care disparities that affect our communities each and every day,” said Rowles. “It is an enormous honor to be recognized by the Academy for my work. I would like to share this honor with my fellow nurse anesthetists who I know have the same dedication and determination to provide our patients with the highest possible quality care.”

 

[deleted126335]

Indianapolis Nurse Anesthetist Inducted as a Fellow into Renowned Nursing Academy

Indianapolis Nurse Anesthetist Inducted as a Fellow into Renowned Nursing Academy
For Immediate Release
October 18, 2013 For more information,
contact Armentia Snyder

Park Ridge, Ill. – The American Association of Nurse Anesthetists (AANA) congratulates Indiana resident Jacqueline Rowles, Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist (CRNA), MBA, MA, ANP-BC, FAAPM, DPNAP on her induction as a Fellow into the American Academy of Nursing (AAN). Rowles will be inducted during the AAN’s annual meeting, taking place October 19, 2013 in Washington D.C.

Rowles brings nearly two decades of nurse anesthesia experience, and is considered an expert in pain management. Rowles is the first nurse anesthetist in Indiana to work exclusively in the field of comprehensive pain management, and she led the way in the protection and expansion of CRNA pain services both at the state and national levels. She also developed and taught the first interventional pain management cadaver course for CRNAs. Rowles currently practices at Meridian Pain Group in Indianapolis, Ind.

“Fellowship in the American Academy of Nursing affords me the opportunity to partner with other nurse leaders from around the country to address current health care disparities that affect our communities each and every day,” said Rowles. “It is an enormous honor to be recognized by the Academy for my work. I would like to share this honor with my fellow nurse anesthetists who I know have the same dedication and determination to provide our patients with the highest possible quality care.”

Wile E. Coyote, super genius.


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[epidural man]

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Most of the anesthesiologists and specialists in many countries have a title for Board certified/ equivalent training. Eg: FRCPC in Canada, FRCA in the UK, etc.
However, I have not seen that in the US.
Is there anything that is officially used? If not why so, especially given the effort that goes into the training.

Because anyone that puts a string of letters behind their name is guaranteed to be in the top 0000.1% of total and complete jackass. Why? For several reasons - but I will name just a one.

NO ONE knows what the hell those letters mean anyway, so the ONLY REASON to put them is to make yourself look really important. And to me that is a huge red flag about YOU and your skills, because if you think you need to make sure everyone else around you knows that you have lots of letters making you look really important, you have serious issues - and it means your skills lack greatly.

It is mostly a CRNA thing when I see those letters. It really saddens me when I see physicians put those letters. I sincerely feel bad for them.

I will make this comment occasionally on emails to departmental responses when someone puts these ridiculous initials.

I will then usually sign the letter
Epidural Man, MD, MS, BS, AA, High school diploma, eagle scout, 1rst place trophy seventh grade talent show singing Freebootin', pythias (second grade play). Hopefully that helps the jackasses understand just slightly more how ridiculous they look.

 

[stonemd]

from ABA:

Displaying Your Diplomate Status
What is D.ABA? D.ABA stands for Diplomate of the American Board of Anesthesiology (ABA). Board certification symbolizes that a physician has met the highest standards for his or her practice in a medical specialty. It is a professional distinction that should be a source of pride for those who hold it. Board-certified anesthesiologists who wish to promote this distinction may display their D.ABA designation on their business cards, practice website, letterhead, LinkedIn account and other professional properties.
How can I use it? Anesthesiologists who earn board certification and are successfully maintaining their certification may display their D.ABA designation much the way they do their Medical Doctor credential. Here is an example: John Doe, M.D., D.ABA
Alternatively, physicians may wish to spell it out for use as a standalone element on business cards or letterhead, etc. Here are two examples of how this would read:
Diplomate of the ABA or Diplomate of the American Board of Anesthesiology
Finally, diplomates may also use the ABA certification seal to display their diplomate status.
Using any combination of these displays is acceptable.
Revoked or Expired Certificates In the unlikely event that your certificate expires or is revoked, you must remove the D.ABA, Diplomate of the ABA and/or the certification seal from your business card, letterhead, website and anywhere else you have displayed it.

 

[Psai]

MD is good enough for my patients and it's good enough for me.