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•••quote:•••Originally posted by The DOC:
•To everyone who said they'd never accept such favors....you're full of $hit!!!•••••I have been offered such favors many times, during college & specifically during the medical school application process and I have NEVER taken the person up on their offer. My acceptance to a good school was that much sweeter because of this fact.

•••quote:•••Originally posted by BushBaby:
•Whatever....please...what's to regret I forgot about the darn incident until I saw this thread. I am already over the situation....I got over it the day I received my diploma in the mail thank you very much.•••••Then stop posting about it and trying to defend yourself.

Do I really care one way or another about this? No, it's done. If you believe what you did is right, then why should you care what I think?

If I truly believe that I have done or said the right thing, I do not go on defending myself to strangers for 3 pages about it. I present my case at most 2 or 3 times and move on because I am secure enough in my decisions to know I did the right thing and do not need self-validation from others. If, however, you have doubts about your actions, that is when you begin defending them endlessly...

And btw, this has gone on far enough. I agree with UCLA2000 in that we should all just let it go now & back off BushBaby. It's carried on for way too long and progress has yet to be made.
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Not to drag this on any further, but I find human nature fascinating. Its unbelievable to me that something like this provokes such strong reactions in people such that close to 100 posts have been devoted to a little favor BabyBush had done for her. Nobody was hurt, nobody was killed, in fact one would have to make a very big stretch to say this had any negative effect on people other than BushBaby. Don't we have more important things to worry about? Especially as doctors, we are going to be responsible for things of far more salience that DO impact directly on the health and well being of others. I don't know, it seems to me people love to point out and dwell on the perceived weaknesses of others, and if that's not enough try to convince someone they are wrong about something that has virtually no impact on others.

Ethics is not a cut and dry subject. We all have our own personal values, why can't we just leave it at that (as long as we are not hurting others)? :rolleyes:
 
It doesn't matter if no one was hurt. Suppose I steal a pack of gum from a store, that doesn't really hurt anyone. The store owner probably only pasy 5 cents for each pack and she/he probably throws out old gum that doesn't sell after 5 months anyway. However, it's still wrong. Why's it wrong? Because it violates a kind of trust and civility that we all should strive for. If enough people started stealing gum, eventually a lot of people would be hurt. The store manager would become very distrustful of his customers, which would make him bitter and disgruntled. He might have to lock away the gum or start charging more for it. This would hurt other customers who actually pay for the gum.

In the same way, what bushbaby did was wrong. Maybe no one was hurt, but she and her professor tarnished the integrity of the entire school... further more, if enough other people started doing this, a lot worse could happen.
 
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The issue here is not so much what Bushbaby did, it's the ethics of the Prof.
Surely, she would not have brought it up with the Prof ...asking for a specific favor would be absolutely wrong, and she would be risking her entire career by that favor. But that is not what happened. In her case, she was presented with a (taboo) favor, and she took up on it. We all get presented with unethical scenarios in our lives, we decided then and there whether we want to perpetuate it. If i was in her position, I don't know what I would have done. Having taken care of my bills etc, I know that the offer would have been VERY tempting to me.

I blame the prof more than anybody else. To those of you that are upset with the ethics in this scenario, know that what goes around, comes around. There's a lot to be said about Karma. Let a higher power restore the balance, and not use our limited wisdom to judge others.

Happy day to everybody!
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•••quote:•••Originally posted by Tweetie_bird:
•The issue here is not so much what Bushbaby did, it's the ethics of the Prof.
Surely, she would not have brought it up with the Prof ...asking for a specific favor would be absolutely wrong, and she would be risking her entire career by that favor. But that is not what happened. In her case, she was presented with a (taboo) favor, and she took up on it. We all get presented with unethical scenarios in our lives, we decided then and there whether we want to perpetuate it. If i was in her position, I don't know what I would have done. Having taken care of my bills etc, I know that the offer would have been VERY tempting to me.

I blame the prof more than anybody else. To those of you that are upset with the ethics in this scenario, know that what goes around, comes around. There's a lot to be said about Karma. Let a higher power restore the balance, and not use our limited wisdom to judge others.

Happy day to everybody!
<img border="0" alt="[Lovey]" title="" src="graemlins/lovey.gif" /> Tweetie <img border="0" alt="[Lovey]" title="" src="graemlins/lovey.gif" /> •••••Yeah I like the way this sounds Tweetie... :wink:

I was offered candy and I took it, later on when/if I end up with a mouth full of cavities... well that's my problem isn't it?

I have dug a nice big grave and I think I am ready to bury all this nonsense here. <img border="0" alt="[Pity]" title="" src="graemlins/pity.gif" /> It seems like some people here are losing sleep over this.
 
I agree w/page 4, post # 9 :wink:
 
Hey still keep my origiinal opinion... but bottom line people whatever floats her chicken. If she's happy then c'est la meatloaf. If she has issues about it I don't think that discussing it here is gonna make her feel better. N E way it seeems to me that Baby could give two chicken breath patties about what people think. :p Hey Baby, just don't CHEAT your way through med school :wink: Just turn yourself into the best doc you can be. And as for the previous comment, no one really knows anyone on this site so there! :p hehehehehehehe <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Ryo-Ohki:
•futrfysician, Do you live in the US? Do you enjoy our system that allows us to have the world's best standard of living? ••••YES I DO. Born here long time ago.

•••quote:•••[QB]How do you think we arrived at this point? Just sitting back and allowing injustices to happen? No, we are great because we strive AGAINST injustices. At least some of us do. Is this your attitude towards everything? How about the Enron issue? Those middle class employees that got screwed? Too bad for them, right? Life isn't fair. Executives will always have golden parachutes.•••••How, in the name of pete, can you equate a simple situation like that to the Enron scandal is beyond me. But you reactionaries equate a bird farting with the end of the world. Relax and take some more Zanax. The employees have recourse to th legal system to amend any injustice they feel was due them and they shall have it by a jury of their peers. THOSE peope will determine IF they should get back anything they are suing for.

•••quote:••••How about the 60's civil rights movement? It isn't fair that blacks have to drink out of different water foundations? Too bad. Blacks will never be equal with whites.•••••Do you always equate someone getting a chair in a medical school with some real injustice? You demean and degrade the actual injustices that do occur because your knee jerk tendencies don't allow you to think it through properly. I stand by what I initially said.

•••quote:•••[QB]I suggest YOU grow up and stop taking things for granted. Apathetic people like you should be thankful that there are people who care enough about this country to try to make it better.[QB]••••HAVE A NCE DAY
 
Well, I've been reading this thing for the last few days, so I might as well pile on.

BushBaby is not unethical, she is, however, a little clueless. She did not receive credit for some mysterious made-up class, unfortunately she only realized this half-way through the thread. She said herself, that the class and grade never showed up on her transcript.

I would bet $5 that what she got was a waiver. People at my school get them pretty frequently. The scenario goes like this:
1. Student forgets to take a required class, but takes other classes in the same area, maybe more advanced than the one officially required.
2. Student learns that s/he won't graduate without said class.
3. Student complains to advisor.
4. Advisor writes and signs a waiver that is sent to the registrar. The waiver tells the registrar that the student took sufficient courses to graduate even without the officially required class.
5. Student graduates.

I have to admit though, that it is disturbing that BB sees nothing wrong with getting credit for a class she never took, even though that's not what happened.

Note to BB: If an interviewer ever asks you to discuss an ethical dilemma and what you did, DON'T BRING THIS UP.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by BushBaby:
• •••quote:•••Originally posted by UCLA2000:
•Call me crazy ,but personally I find it refreshing that many future doctors have such strong morals.

But enough's enough. I think we should all lay off of Bushbaby.

I'm sure that she is going to be a great doctor, and all of us should watch her doctoring career with great anticipation.

After all, she's got more practice 'doctoring' than the majority of us. :wink:

...She's already doctored her transcripts, just wait until she actually earns...my bad did I say earns? I meant...gets.....her MD so that she can go on to doctoring bigger and better things like...FDA drug tests!•••••For the record:

I didn't "doctor" up my transcript. All courses listed on my transcript are courses I actually "sat" for. I might have been daydreaming while the prof mumbled on and on but I was PHYSICALLY PRESENT.•••••Relax! I'm just teasing you!
 
What bothers me most about people's reactions to this issue is not so much their stance but how they've arrived at it. One of my biggest pet peeves is when people determine their ethical position by applying an ethical principle as if its some sort of mathematical formula across multiple different dilemmas. I got news for y'all; ethics ain't mathematics. Rather, situations need to be analyzed ad hoc with their unique variables and factors before deciding whether someone did something horrible.
When I weigh in all the factors, I fail to understand how people could react so strongly to BushBaby's situation. Its when people support their stance by merely saying "honesty is always the best policy" etc. that I have a hard time respecting their viewpoints.

I think we should all move on...

anybody have other stories of connections getting people ahead in life???
 
I do!
Last week we went to this club, and apparently it's the hottest thing in the city. I am not the clubbing type, but I decided to go check it out and see just what all the hype is about.

Anyway, you should have seen the line to get in! And a friend of mine knew the bouncer, and all we had to do was drop our car off (valet parking feels NICE!) and walk in the doors. I could see the reason for all the hype..I had never seen so many good looking people all in one room!!! Anyway, that impressed me. :rolleyes:
 
Dang it! I just read through this entire thread and I only saw two interesting posts about sex, lies, grades, and publications. Talk about anti-climactic. :wink: <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />
 
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•••quote:•••Originally posted by Dr. Will:
•Dang it! I just read through this entire thread and I only saw two interesting posts about sex, lies, grades, and publications. Talk about anti-climactic. :wink: <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> •••••<img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />
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Not that this thread is really about this anymore, but I've fully taken advantage of every connection I had in getting into Pritzker. I've got good but not great numbers (3.6, 30), with some decent extra cirriculars and pretty good research (2 papers published). I think though, one of the biggest reasons I will be heading to Chicago in the fall is because both my dad and my grandpa were Pritzker graduates. I originally thought that my legacy status alone would get me into the school, but I got waitlisted at first, and only after writing multiple letters and flying out to talk to the dean was I finally accepted last month. Even my research was done through my connections, because I worked with a doctor, who used to be on the admissions committee, only because he was in the same med school class as my dad. I'm not sure I would have gotten in without all my connections, but unless I had put in hard work to go with them, there is NO WAY I would be going to the U of C.
 
praying4MD: <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> I do not believe you.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by DrMom:
• •••quote:•••Originally posted by Fenrezz:
•Would this be a bad time to admit that I actually purchased my undergrad degree by giving the dean of the school a check and never actually signed up for a single class? Then, during my interview, claimed to have studied 10 hours a day every day in order to get that same degree? :p

Bushbaby ain't got nuttin on me! :D •••••ROFLMAO

Fenrezz, you better hope I don't remember to mention that to Leigh Goodson! <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />

Thanks for lightening things up for a bit...it was getting hot in here.•••••Well, DrMom, I happen to have another check here. How much will it take for you to "forget" to mention it? :wink: I can only write you one, since I have to save the other checks to bribe my med school professors for passing grades.

Also, is there anyone willing to sell me stolen copies of exams? :rolleyes:

As far as this thread, I think it's appalling that anyone would try to circumvent the system and not perform the work that they are responsible for! You should be ASHAMED! :D
 
Well crap...four days without the internet and look what happened! I'm closing this thread...this talk is ridiculous. We all know that cheating is wrong but it happens all the time.
 
holy crap....four days without the internat and look what's happened....
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by BUmiken12:
•holy crap....four days without the internet and look what's happened....•••••
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Spiderman [RNA Ladder 2003]:
•praying4MD: <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> I do not believe you.•••••:confused: :confused: :confused:
 
Hey-- What's up with the loser avatar? :wink: Tommy's pics are reserved for his women, and his women ONLY. FIND YOUR OWN MAN BECAUSE THIS ONE'S TAKEN!! :D :D
 
praying4MD: say if a PI whom you did research for offered you an acceptance at John Hopkins. Would you refuse that? Do not tell me that you will.......
 
And about the avitar..... if you are his woman <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> , I will change it. I do not want anyone feel bad.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Spiderman [RNA Ladder 2003]: •praying4MD: say if a PI whom you did research for offered you an acceptance at John Hopkins. Would you refuse that? Do not tell me that you will.......•••••This is not as hypothetical as you would like to believe.

A good friend of mine offered to "pull some strings" or talk to some adcoms so that I could have a better chance at getting into my top choice school. He did not even guarantee me admission-- just a slight edge or even a better chance at admission. I was crazy about this school. Knowing how persuasive he is and that he is in good standing and respected at this school, I'm sure this "connection" would have given me the edge.

Without hesitation I respectfully declined his offer. Is it because I am a completely ethical person or because I am perfect? As much as I would like to boost my ego and think so, probably not. It is more about the selfish aspect of it. What good is the accomplishment if I didn't achieve it ON MY OWN? Nothing. It is worthless to me and it would not give me pleasure.

In your example-- What is the motivation behind wanting to get into a school like Hopkins? If it is so that the person acquires "bragging rights," then perhaps that person needs validation enough from others that he does not care how he gets it. On the other hand, if I got into an excellent school because of any other reason than my merit, then the "victory" is not sweet. It is meaningless because I did not accomplish it-- someone else put me on a pedestal where I do not belong. In fact, it is more of an insult to me than anything-- that they think I am not good enough to achieve this goal without "connections."

Perhaps it is that selfish part of me that needs to believe, "I did it MYSELF," for what good is getting into Hopkins if it wasn't on your own merit? What's the point? Deep down inside, I would never know if I got in because of who I am or because of my connections. Or Worse: I would know that the ONLY reason I am there is because of connections and that I am truthfully not good enough to be there. Now that is a bigger blow than anything. Some people would never see that aspect of it because it requires being honest WITH YOURSELF.

By the way, in the end I did not get accepted to the school I had chosen as my first choice (where I declined the use of connections.) However, I am content with my decision and would not change a thing. {If this shocks you, perhaps you will be even more interested to know that my 2nd choice-- where I will be attending-- is a "Top 20" school, while my first choice is NOT a top 20-- rank was not a consideration for me.}

Anyway, I was accepted at other medical schools and I am looking forward to attending medical school this fall. That feeling of elation was even better knowing that I accomplished my goal because of ME, *without* using connections. Knowing that I got into a good medical school because of MY accomplishments and nothing else is the only way that goal can bring that happiness to me. In fact, if I did get in because of my connections, I would be quite depressed knowing that others accomplished this goal without that help and I was not able to do the same.

In any case, other people's opinions simply do not matter enough for me to compromise my beliefs or my standards of ethics. Unfathomable as that idea may be to some, I hope you choose to respect it and not berate it, as so many posters have done so far.
 
Well, it seems that you did not use the connections because you did not really want to go that school or did not care if you get accepted there. It all also depends on what kind of person is offering you that "edge." If it is a person who is going to stay with you for a long term of your career, I see the reasons why you would've declined that (I would not turn JH down though) but if it is a person whom you know that you are not going to meet ever gain (say a professor whom you did research for a year), i do not see anything wrong with it. I guess i did not really have that dilemma in front of me yet because nobody offered me anything yet..... and I am just starting my application
 
whoa, i started reading and i got to about midway through page 2. i hope i'm not missing out on too much, so i'll just skip to the end and say bushbaby, i got your back...not necessarily because of what you did, but because these other guys are judging you like republicans. kick back, we all get breaks in life, and we've all screwed up before. you weren't in her situation, and you haven't lived her life, so i don't think you can tell her what she should have done.

this all might have been said already, and it might have all cooled down, but i couldn't read through another 6 pages...

whew.
 
simpleG: you did not finish reading the thread? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />
 
Praying4MD, interesting post. I think more people agree with you than you may realize. But one thing you kept bringing up, I question a little bit.

Med school admissions as we all know is somewhat of a crapshoot. So much so, that often these adcoms are swamped with so many identical looking applications, its easy to get lost in the shuffle.

You mention multiple times that had you taken your personal connection up on the offer, you would have felt guilty for possibly not feeling that you deserved to be at that medical school because you didn't earn it all on your own. I think most people would feel that way to a certain extent. But at the same time, the process can be very random and your application may appear attractive to one adcom and not attractive to another comparable or even less comparable school and the reason may NOT be simply because the two schools are looking for different things in applicants. It could be that your application was at the bottom of a pile of similar appearing applications, or that the person screening the application was having a bad day, or that your secondary arrived at one adcom a month earlier than the other adcom (when they already fulfilled their quota for a certain ethnicity that happens to be yours), and so on and so forth.

I personally did not take many of my rejections or acceptances personally as I was sure that many random factors other than my own application would play a role in the decisions.

Now, does this impact at all on how I would feel if a connection helped open the door for me, and get my application noticed? I think so.

The issue isn't so cut and dry. To add even more complexity to it, I know people who w/o using any connections earned themselves a spot on the waitlist and then realized they knew someone, and used their connection to get off the waitlist. Would I say that person did not deserve to get accepted to that medical school? No. If that person was able to get onto the waitlist on his own, I would say he or she deserves admission on his own merit (but originally there were not enough open spots to accomodate him/her for any number of random reasons).

I guess we all rationalize these things in our own way.
 
i think it was page 3 that really bogged me down. the bible verses, the glaringly judgemental statements, the relentless "i can't believe you could be so immoral" bashing.

morality is an amorphous thing. worry about your own morality, and stop imposing on others. haven't we learned enough from history to see how judgemental attitudes have freakin f***ed the world up enough?

anyways, since then, i did some reverse backtrack reading, so i get the gist of the thread. it was pretty much the same as the first 3 pages.
 
good for you prayingforMD. i applaud your rectitude. you followed what you believed to be right, and bushbaby followed hers.

there is no universal morality, and i think that the easiest way to see this is to travel around the world and experience.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Spiderman [RNA Ladder 2003]:
•Well, it seems that you did not use the connections because you did not really want to go that school or did not care if you get accepted there. •••••Obviously, you did not read the post completely. It was my FIRST CHOICE SCHOOL.

As for the rest of your post-- why is it so difficult to believe that there are people in the world who DO in fact turn down lucrative opportunities such as these? I DID IT. Why is that so hard to believe?

•••quote:•••Originally posted by scootad.:
•the process can be very random and your application may appear attractive to one adcom and not attractive to another comparable or even less comparable school and the reason may NOT be simply because the two schools are looking for different things in applicants...•••••True. The only comforting fact in it all is that we are all suffering through these obstacles together and are therefore, theoretically at least, equally disadvantaged by this. Why should I be any more priveleged than any other applicant?

•••quote:•••Originally posted by scootad.:
•The issue isn't so cut and dry... I guess we all rationalize these things in our own way.•••••I definitely agree with this. :)

•••quote:•••Originally posted by simpleG:
•i think it was page 3 that really bogged me down. the bible verses, the glaringly judgemental statements, the relentless "i can't believe you could be so immoral" bashing.

morality is an amorphous thing. worry about your own morality, and stop imposing on others. haven't we learned enough from history to see how judgemental attitudes have freakin f***ed the world up enough?

anyways, since then, i did some reverse backtrack reading, so i get the gist of the thread. it was pretty much the same as the first 3 pages.•••••I see you are new member and unless you have been following my posts for about a year now, you probably don't know this, so that's no problem. The reason the bible quotes were used was to refute the misusage of another bible quote, NOT to pass judgment. While my username probably gives off the impression that I am staunchly conservative, ANYONE who has read my posts knows that I have been called a "bleeding liberal" time and time again on this board and am politically on the left of the spectrum, so I definitely agree with your sentiments expressed above. The only reason the bible quotes were brought out was to counter the other quote (one of my pet peeves is Selective quoting, NOT to tell BushBaby that she is an immoral person because I honestly do not believe that.

•••quote:•••Originally posted by simpleG:
•there is no universal morality, and i think that the easiest way to see this is to travel around the world and experience.•••••Thank you for your advice. You will be pleased to note that I moved to a different country almost every year of my life growing up as a child (from England to Nigeria to Saudi to Indonesia and Venezuela, ETC.) and have lived on every continent with the exception of Australia and Antarctica. Because I do consider myself a well-traveled individual, I wholeheartedly agree with your assertion as well.
 
cool. realize that i wasn't directing any of my thoughts at you prayinMD...just the general foggy populace.
 
Oops. Sorry for the misunderstanding then. :)
 
prayingMD, go back to whatever country you consider yourself from, because its not USA! Your holy than thou attitude is making me puke!!!
 
birdman, that was TOTALLY unnecessary, uncalled for and just absolutely ridiculous...I suggest you delete or edit your post, because I dont think it follows the TOS on SDN. Your comments in the allopathic forum were bad, but this is just idiotic...you can take your attitude and shove it up your @ss. :mad: :mad:
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by owen_osh:
•Well, I've been reading this thing for the last few days, so I might as well pile on.

BushBaby is not unethical, she is, however, a little clueless. She did not receive credit for some mysterious made-up class, unfortunately she only realized this half-way through the thread. She said herself, that the class and grade never showed up on her transcript.

I would bet $5 that what she got was a waiver. People at my school get them pretty frequently. The scenario goes like this:
1. Student forgets to take a required class, but takes other classes in the same area, maybe more advanced than the one officially required.
2. Student learns that s/he won't graduate without said class.
3. Student complains to advisor.
4. Advisor writes and signs a waiver that is sent to the registrar. The waiver tells the registrar that the student took sufficient courses to graduate even without the officially required class.
5. Student graduates.

I have to admit though, that it is disturbing that BB sees nothing wrong with getting credit for a class she never took, even though that's not what happened.

Note to BB: If an interviewer ever asks you to discuss an ethical dilemma and what you did, DON'T BRING THIS UP.•••••I must say, the conversation could have just ended after this post.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by birdman:
•prayingMD, go back to whatever country you consider yourself from, because its not USA! Your holy than thou attitude is making me puke!!!•••••As much as I love teasing my dear Bushbaby and others (almost like the I'm not touching you game, hehehehehe) I think you will be deserving of the barrage of comments that wil be coming your way. So let me be the first, tttthhhhhhhpppbbbbtttt!!!!! That was uncalled for. That type of pseudopatriotic bull cookie chunks belongs on Jerry Springer not in SDN. GET A LIFE MAN!!!!
 
You see BushBaby, a simple experiment like my post will get the monkeys that criticize you, off your back and jump on mine. Its too easy, I throw the bannana and you people swing towards it!!
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by birdman:
•DOPE!•••••I love the way people will try to skirt around something that they said when they know they were wrong. I also love it when people, instead of outright defending themselves they turn to juvenile name calling. Oh well c'est la chicken franks. :p
 
goddamn, will someone delete this thread and bring it to a merciful end?!?! How the hell is this approaching 200 posts? Yes, blah blah, Bushbaby some people hate you, some other people said some stupid stuff, its like people are searching desperately for new things to be pissed at each other about. If you want a thread to vent on, go to "flat out stud" in the lounge, there's some fresh meat over there.

when there's trouble you call DW
 
ahh, DW (newbie)...this is nothing! :rolleyes: <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> :D
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by vixen:
•ahh, DW (newbie)...this is nothing! :rolleyes: <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> :D •••••Yea...you should see some Vixen vs. Leorl fighting matches or Scooby vs. Praying4MD...
And then there was qauillegs vs. ???
And then that one dude who threatened Choker...
Wow..the memories are just gushing in :clap: :clap:

Now those are classics :)
 
What I think is immoral and unethical is Silvercolla's fascination with CHICKEN!! <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />

Let's move on, people! We're acting like a buncha kids here. :clap:
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Tweetie_bird:
•What I think is immoral and unethical is Silvercolla's fascination with CHICKEN!! <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />

Let's move on, people! We're acting like a buncha kids here. :clap: •••••ROFL!!! <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />
It's the complexity!!!!!!!!!!!
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by birdman:
•prayingMD, go back to whatever country you consider yourself from, because its not USA! Your holy than thou attitude is making me puke!!!•••••Where the hell did that come from? :rolleyes:

Thanks for your suggestion but I was born in the USA and am a proud American.

Please take your opinions elsewhere where they will be appreciated. If you have something educated to say or discuss then by all means I prepared to discuss, but this juvenile behavior reflects poorly on your intellect, assuming you do indeed have some.

Scooby-- our "fights" are nothing compared to the ignorant insults thrown around here. This is disgusting. I hope the OP deletes this thread and puts it out of its misery.

What the hell is happening to SDN these days anyway?
 
Ahhhh....the sweet smell of animosity :) Gotta love it! --Trek
 
YESSSSSSS! POST NUMBER 200!!! That one up there ^^^^ --Trek
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by praying4MD:
• •••quote:•••Originally posted by birdman:
•prayingMD, go back to whatever country you consider yourself from, because its not USA! Your holy than thou attitude is making me puke!!!•••••Where the hell did that come from? :rolleyes:

Thanks for your suggestion but I was born in the USA and am a proud American.

Please take your opinions elsewhere where they will be appreciated. If you have something educated to say or discuss then by all means I prepared to discuss, but this juvenile behavior reflects poorly on your intellect, assuming you do indeed have some.

Scooby-- our "fights" are nothing compared to the ignorant insults thrown around here. This is disgusting. I hope the OP deletes this thread and puts it out of its misery.

What the hell is happening to SDN these days anyway?•••••IT"S THE CHICKEN MAN!!!! IT"S THE CHICKEN!!! Oh Well C'est la meatloaf! <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />
 
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