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serenade said:
Goro, my bf and I says worse things to each other jokingly. And it's absolutely hilarious. The man made a sarcastic joke on the internet. He did not advocate joining the wolksfront or KKK or lynching people.

This is unprofessional behavior on behalf of ACOM. And like Mehd school, I wouldn't apply there, albeit I have applied anyways.
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The difference is that your bf and you know each other and know the kind of person each other is deep down inside...I hope.

The school knows nothing about the applicant beyond what the applicant says and what a person says is usually taken to be kind of an indication as to what they are deep down inside.
 
serenade said:
Goro, my bf and I says worse things to each other jokingly. And it's absolutely hilarious. The man made a sarcastic joke on the internet. He did not advocate joining the wolksfront or KKK or lynching people.

This is unprofessional behavior on behalf of ACOM. And like Mehd school, I wouldn't apply there, albeit I have applied anyways.
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Imo its a better safe than sorry type situation. ACOM has nothing to lose by rescinding an acceptance. However they have everything to lose if they matriculate and graduate someone who ends up shaming the school's name. Not saying that this person would. Just speaking in generalities.

As a new school I imagine ACOM is more sensitive to these things than more established schools who already have a solid rep and thousands of respected alumni.

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kgpremed11 said:
so the guys dead now?
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I bet he feels like he wants to die.. I know I would if I got my only acceptance rescinded after I already withdrew all my other apps.

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MedPR said:
I bet he feels like he wants to die.. I know I would if I got my only acceptance rescinded after I already withdrew all my other apps.

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Seriously it's not that bad , he can always reapply next year. Whats one year in the grand scheme of things?
 
Venom5 said:
From what I have heard he was REALLY excited about going to ACOM and liked the school a lot.
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I see. But most people like/love whatever school they can get into. He's out of the running for ACOM, but as long as this doesnt get to big and other schools take notice, he should be fine at any of the other schools.
 
kgpremed11 said:
Seriously it's not that bad , he can always reapply next year. Whats one year in the grand scheme of things?
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I don't know... they always want to know what you've been doing in the past year... Especially schools that he had previously applied to and withdrew his application. People will probably ask "why did you withdraw your application? what have you done since then?"
 
Presen said:
I don't know... they always want to know what you've been doing in the past year... Especially schools that he had previously applied to and withdrew his application. People will probably ask "why did you withdraw your application? what have you done since then?"
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There is no reason for them to know the offer was rescinded.

Failed cycles happen. Its perfectly fine to treat it like he didnt get in this year.

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kgpremed11 said:
Seriously it's not that bad , he can always reapply next year. Whats one year in the grand scheme of things?
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Yeah nbd he just already had a guaranteed acceptance and has to wait another year to start medical school.

U serious bro?

Also, if you want to talk about the grand scheme of things that one lost year is probably worth anywhere from 100K-250K in a year of lost earnings.
 
calvnandhobbs68 said:
Yeah nbd he just already had a guaranteed acceptance and has to wait another year to start medical school.

U serious bro?

Also, if you want to talk about the grand scheme of things that one lost year is probably worth anywhere from 100K-250K in a year of lost earnings.
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Or, he can hold off retirement for a year or two?
 
kgpremed11 said:
Or, he can hold off retirement for a year or two?
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And that supports your point of it not being that bad how....

If I had to work an extra year because of some stupid stuff I did online I'd call that pretty bad.

All kinds of other bad stuff can happen because you have an unexpected gap year too. For instance, student loans will get called in after six months (not to mention you'll have used up your 6 month grace period).
 
calvnandhobbs68 said:
And that supports your point of it not being that bad how....

If I had to work an extra year because of some stupid stuff I did online I'd call that pretty bad.
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Ok, we'll just leave it at that. I know people like to get into these long drawn out debates but I really should be studying for the MCAT.
 
SpecterGT260 said:
There is no reason for them to know the offer was rescinded.

Failed cycles happen. Its perfectly fine to treat it like he didnt get in this year.

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He will have to answer "yes" to the question of whether he's ever been accepted to another medical school right? or was that question ever enrolled? (don't remember anymore)
 
calvnandhobbs68 said:
He will have to answer "yes" to the question of whether he's ever been accepted to another medical school right? or was that question ever enrolled? (don't remember anymore)
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It says matriculated. There is likely no record of any of this other than SDN and acom

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Exactly what racist thing was said?

All I've heard is he said someone looked like Khan from king of the hill. How is that racist? Saying someone looked like a snarky Asian cartoon character that looks down on his "hillybilly" neighbors is not racist. Just a really stupid insult.

The state that elected Jeff Sessions (gross) to the Senate has a medical school that is that politically correct? Give me a break.
 
MFMaspirant said:
That doesn't take into account many other variables at play. This experience will change him and change the choices he would have made. He may develop greater maturity, humility and discretion as a result of this incident. Personal growth and improved decision-making have value which could lead to higher income potential,but could also lead to better outcomes in all aspects of his life. The additional year also means an additional year for application preparation.He may end up at a better school, one with better alum connections or better rotations thus leading to a better residency and more rewarding career. At a minimum, if the maturation and development time he has gained result in an increase in starting salary of just 15k, then over the course of 30 yrs that's an extra 450k, 200k more than the 250k in a lost year of income.
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I don't think physicians get paid more because they're more mature. It is from seeing more patients.
 
AnthonyBourdain said:
Exactly what racist thing was said?

All I've heard is he said someone looked like Khan from king of the hill. How is that racist? Saying someone looked like a snarky Asian cartoon character that looks down on his "hillybilly" neighbors is not racist. It doesn't exactly make white people look that hot either. That whole show is racist by your standards.

The state that elected Jeff Sessions (gross) to the Senate has a medical school that is that politically correct? Give me a break.
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Ok.... don't be silly. This is where grownups play and citing technicalities is childish. Drawing attention to anything dealing with someone's race, especially a character of a racial stereotype is not ok. Its even worse when you do it as part of a conflict with someone.

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SpecterGT260 said:
Ok.... don't be silly. This is where grownups play and citing technicalities is childish. Drawing attention to anything dealing with someone's race, especially a character of a racial stereotype is not ok. Its even worse when you do it as part of a conflict with someone.

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I don't find his comment offensive and I am asian. If I said someone white looked like peggy from that show, no one would consider it racist. Just mean.

I find his comment mean. Not racist. Plenty of mean comments are made on the internet. Why single him out?

Alabama has someone I consider a racist as a senator, one of the highest honors in the state. Yet they deem Cole too politically incorrect to practice medicine?

Unless the school is trying to turn Alabama's reputation as one of the most non-accepting states in the country around and is just going overboard, I don't know why they would do this.
 
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AnthonyBourdain said:
I don't find his comment offensive and I am asian. If I said someone white looked like peggy from that show, no one would consider it racist. Just mean.

I find his comment mean. Not racist. Plenty of mean comments are made on the internet. Why single him out?
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It wasn't a single event from what I have heard. Also, you are again being ridiculous to claim that because you aren't offended that it isn't offensive. In fact, that comment is just arrogant 🙄

Why single him out? Dunno. It doesn't look like they did. Just that they acted on something they were aware of. Your moral indignation demonstrates some immaturity here. As was noted before, schools owe you NOTHING. arguing the "fairness" of it in any fashion is nonsense.

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SpecterGT260 said:
It wasn't a single event from what I have heard. Also, you are again being ridiculous to claim that because you aren't offended that it isn't offensive. In fact, that comment is just arrogant 🙄

Why single him out? Dunno. It doesn't look like they did. Just that they acted on something they were aware of. Your moral indignation demonstrates some immaturity here. As was noted before, schools owe you NOTHING. arguing the "fairness" of it in any fashion is nonsense.

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I don't like people throwing the word "racist" around without proof. It is a terrible thing to be and he very well may not deserve it.

Fairness is what our society tries to achieve.While life isn't fair, it is something a good person/organization tries their best to aim for.
 
This thread is filled with a lot of "this person said that this happened" and "my brothers sisters mom heard from her dads brothers aunt that this happened"

In addition to the same thing being repeated over and over again. Do we have like 5000 broken records playing at the same time here.

1. No one knows what happened
2. Half the people think the school messed up
3. The other half think the school was justified


Iv just summed up this whole thread. How long is this conversation going to continue? Can we end it now? We all know the offer got rescinded and we all learned a lesson from it. Bump the thread if u want but saying the same thing 1000 times is like running in circles for days on end. You end up right Back where u started and nothing has changed

I vote its time to kill this thread
 
AnthonyBourdain said:
I don't find his comment offensive and I am asian. If I said someone white looked like peggy from that show, no one would consider it racist. Just mean.

I find his comment mean. Not racist. Plenty of mean comments are made on the internet. Why single him out?

Alabama has someone I consider a racist as a senator, one of the highest honors in the state. Yet they deem Cole too politically incorrect to practice medicine?

Unless the school is trying to turn Alabama's reputation as one of the most non-accepting states in the country around and is just going overboard, I don't know why they would do this.
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I think you might be talking before you know the whole story... Or even the story. Specter and I disagree often but he is right on here. Both, the comment being discussed was racist and it was not a singular event, but a pattern.

The school of medicine in Alabama has nothing to do with any senator.

This has nothing to do with Alabama's image, and everything to do with professionalism and character. Since All COMs have emphasis on caring for undeserved populations, it it short sighted not to grasp how sensitivity to race would be highly valued by that, and any, medical school.

This ends up being a no brainier.
 
HalfListic said:
I think you might be talking before you know the whole story... Or even the story. Specter and I disagree often but he is right on here. Both, the comment being discussed was racist and it was not a singular event, but a pattern.

The school of medicine in Alabama has nothing to do with any senator.

This has nothing to do with Alabama's image, and everything to do with professionalism and character. Since All COMs have emphasis on caring for undeserved populations, it it short sighted not to grasp how sensitivity to race would be highly valued by that, and any, medical school.

This ends up being a no brainier.
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Oh we agree plenty halvsey 🙂

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HalfListic said:
I think you might be talking before you know the whole story... Or even the story. Specter and I disagree often but he is right on here. Both, the comment being discussed was racist and it was not a singular event, but a pattern.
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Maybe you're right because I don't follow the pre-osteo board very closely but from my observations from a few months ago when I was on here, he seemed like a very nice and likable person who did not come off as racist at all. While he may have made some mistakes, that part of him should also not be forgotten.
 
AnthonyBourdain said:
Maybe you're right because I don't follow the pre-osteo board very closely but from my observations from a few months ago when I was on here, he seemed like a very nice and likable person who did not come off as racist at all.
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I think that this might be the tough part of this whole matter. He had a great reputation of pumping up the underdogs and being encouraging.

But there were several conversations and threads where his comments were more than a little off base. I can think of three. To add to this, he had several scuffles on Facebook that would have lost him a job. To add to this, he used his real name and associated himself with the school

This was not one mistake but several...over and again.



I only share because I don't want people to paranoid. One "harmless" comment that could be misunderstood would NOT get your acceptance rescinded. And, naturally, this is not what happened. The decision, while tough and sad for the person, was not extreme and not a big surprise.
 
HalfListic said:
I think that this might be the tough part of this whole matter. He had a great reputation of pumping up the underdogs and being encouraging.

But there were several conversations and threads where his comments were more than a little off base. I can think of three. To add to this, he had several scuffles on Facebook that would have lost him a job. To add to this, he used his real name and associated himself with the school

This was not one mistake but several...over and again.

I only share because I don't want people to paranoid. One "harmless" comment that could be misunderstood would NOT get your acceptance rescinded. And, naturally, this is not what happened. The decision, while tough and sad for the person, was not extreme and not a big surprise.
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I can attest to the reality that he has pissed off a lot of people and said some things that are way off base in the past. I don't think he's ill-intending, but his intentions don't take away from the fact that he has offended many people.

I'm possibly being too paranoid, but is it far off to speculate that he's burned from Osteopathic institutions? Think about it. If you're the dean of a college, rescind and application due to threat and racism, know the places he applied too because of his public MDApps, wouldn't sending a letter to other schools about this person not be the appropriate course of action? I sure would. I wouldn't want someone like that in my profession or creating trouble for other colleagues.
 
TriagePreMed said:
I can attest to the reality that he has pissed off a lot of people and said some things that are way off base in the past. I don't think he's ill-intending, but his intentions don't take away from the fact that he has offended many people.

I'm possibly being too paranoid, but is it far off to speculate that he's burned from Osteopathic institutions? Think about it. If you're the dean of a college, rescind and application due to threat and racism, know the places he applied too because of his public MDApps, wouldn't sending a letter to other schools about this person not be the appropriate course of action? I sure would. I wouldn't want someone like that in my profession or creating trouble for other colleagues.
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I don't know if schools use mdapps much and he may have scrubbed it. Regardless I don't think a school would put effort into keeping him out of anywhere except their own facility

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SpecterGT260 said:
I don't know if schools use mdapps much and he may have scrubbed it. Regardless I don't think a school would put effort into keeping him out of anywhere except their own facility

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In our modern world, all it takes is seconds to send a letter to a central service that schools can see.
 
I understand that. I would just put my vote in on the "overly paranoid" end of the spectrum.
 
SpecterGT260 said:
I understand that. I would just put my vote in on the "overly paranoid" end of the spectrum.
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TriagePreMed said:
For his sake, lets hope so. I think everyone deserves a second opportunity.
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Id also say that, just like its possible to get into school after many different offenses, he can overcome this and still get into a school even next cycle.

In reality, its more immaturity than malice at hand here. But, it was significant, and if one is able to mature and learn from negative experiences, there shouldn't be any reason why they would be excluded permanently.

Also, there are far too many applicants to keep up with to ban him from every school, forever, Id say. Even if they would want to, which I don't think they do.
 
For Voldemort's (are we still calling him that?) sake, I hope that ACOM left it at the rescission. Unless he genuinely pissed off the wrong person, I think the only issue is that his plans are put on hold for a year. Personally, I think what burns the most is that he withdrew from 4 other interviews because of his love for ACOM.
 
michow87 said:
For Voldemort's (are we still calling him that?) sake, I hope that ACOM left it at the rescission. Unless he genuinely pissed off the wrong person, I think the only issue is that his plans are put on hold for a year. Personally, I think what burns the most is that he withdrew from 4 other interviews because of his love for ACOM.
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I believe he was rejected from those. He only withdrew one

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michow87 said:
For Voldemort's (are we still calling him that?) sake, I hope that ACOM left it at the rescission. Unless he genuinely pissed off the wrong person, I think the only issue is that his plans are put on hold for a year. Personally, I think what burns the most is that he withdrew from 4 other interviews because of his love for ACOM.
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Maybe he should have went to those interviews too....

1. Get multiple interviews
2. Attend multiple interviews
3. Get multiple acceptances
4. ???????
5. Win (even if one school yanks ya)
 
You guys are all focusing on what is said on SDN. There are other things that were said on the ACOM FB group and real world. There is A LOT more to this story that we don't know.
 
Sasha3 said:
You guys are all focusing on what is said on SDN. There are other things that were said on the ACOM FB group and real world. There is A LOT more to this story that we don't know.
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Awwwww...😕
 
Sasha3 said:
You guys are all focusing on what is said on SDN. There are other things that were said on the ACOM FB group and real world. There is A LOT more to this story that we don't know.
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I agree with this. I'm pretty confident that I'll never know the whole story since I'm sure "Voldemort" doesn't want that info publicized.
 
AnthonyBourdain said:
I don't like people throwing the word "racist" around without proof. It is a terrible thing to be and he very well may not deserve it.
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I'm sorry but he does deserve it. If you have not been following the pre-osteo threads as well as the UD facebook group you are not seeing even close to the full story. The Khan thing was just the tip of the racist ice berg.
 
touchpause13 said:
I'm sorry but he does deserve it. If you have not been following the pre-osteo threads as well as the UD facebook group you are not seeing even close to the full story. The Khan thing was just the tip of the racist ice berg.
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Then enlighten us.
 
Bacchus said:
There is no reason to bring the contents of Facebook to this site. SDN is not the laundromat to attempt to clean up the dirtiness of other social media sites.
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😕😕Have no idea what that means. But what if next year, ACOM and other schools would ask in their secondary "What is your SDN user name?":meanie: I wonder how many would be stupid enough to answer.
 
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