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[vampyrica]

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Who's going to tell them that will pay for one horse's care for 1-2 years max? And then what?

the places willing to take them appear to be horse sanctuaries so they must know the cost. but that also means donations to continuously care for them.

 

[couldhavebeenme]

It's honestly just really disheartening because I know my cohort worked really hard to take exceptional care of the terminal surgery animals to make sure the same opportunities would be preserved for future classes... just for a current student to take it down as an inside job.

Is terminal surgery required to be a competent vet - no. Did it help me be a more competent day-one practitioner as a new grad in a field where I don't generally have another DVM present to come to my aid - absolutely. Plus those animals were used for an anesthesia lab, terminal surgery including practicing emergency tracheostomy placement, and then the cadavers were used again in the clinical simulation lab and for necropsy practice at the diagnostic lab. They were not wasted and did not suffer. Thankful I got the opportunity.

 

[ESD_2029]

It's honestly just really disheartening because I know my cohort worked really hard to take exceptional care of the terminal surgery animals to make sure the same opportunities would be preserved for future classes... just for a current student to take it down as an inside job.

Is terminal surgery required to be a competent vet - no. Did it help me be a more competent day-one practitioner as a new grad in a field where I don't generally have another DVM present to come to my aid - absolutely. Plus those animals were used for an anesthesia lab, terminal surgery including practicing emergency tracheostomy placement, and then the cadavers were used again in the clinical simulation lab and for necropsy practice at the diagnostic lab. They were not wasted and did not suffer. Thankful I got the opportunity.

I will absolute decline being involved in any terminal surgery if that is ever brought up, that is due to my own ethical beliefs and morals. That is not my decision to make for my school, the curriculum, or my peers. It's a softer landing than many horses get, that's for sure.

 

[indysadventures]

It's honestly just really disheartening because I know my cohort worked really hard to take exceptional care of the terminal surgery animals to make sure the same opportunities would be preserved for future classes... just for a current student to take it down as an inside job.

Is terminal surgery required to be a competent vet - no. Did it help me be a more competent day-one practitioner as a new grad in a field where I don't generally have another DVM present to come to my aid - absolutely. Plus those animals were used for an anesthesia lab, terminal surgery including practicing emergency tracheostomy placement, and then the cadavers were used again in the clinical simulation lab and for necropsy practice at the diagnostic lab. They were not wasted and did not suffer. Thankful I got the opportunity.

I’m really sorry. This whole thing makes my blood boil. Hugs from afar.

 

[pp9]

there’s fundraisers now to get the horses to sanctuary. i guess they didn’t think that far ahead…because wdym now you’re asking the public for $5000+ for the horses when they’re not even guaranteed to go to you?

there’s no guarantee these horses aren’t going to slaughter. the guarantee is just that the school cannot have them. there is no concrete proof that they will be released by the USDA.

WSU should just start bringing in truckloads of horses on their way to slaughter and suddenly there will be a home for every horse that needs one I guess!

This is the classic animal rights stuff. 'Cool, we stole/freed/whatever'd these animals!!!!' but then it's 'Okay great, who's going to take these 100 dogs off of our hands because we don't have any place for them!' And then you find out that PETA often euthanizes the animals they 'save' anyways for this exact reason....

Interesting how this parallels so many other sociopolitical hot button topics. Pepole who vehemently oppose something with no real reason beyond their decided ideals will fight tooth and nail to get their way with out any thought towards the next step.

It's a softer landing than many horses get, that's for sure.

Honestly it might have been a 'softer landing' than many of these same horses will get now.

 

[soupshark]

Pepole who vehemently oppose something with no real reason beyond their decided ideals will fight tooth and nail to get their way with out any thought towards the next step.


Honestly it might have been a 'softer landing' than many of these same horses will get now.

We talked about this a fair amount in my last rotation and how these animal rights groups can be very dangerous either intentionally or unintentionally. Unintentionally happens when they do something like this but animals and/or people get hurt as a result because there was zero forethought. Like cutting the brakes on a truck transporting animals or sneaking into farms at night without washing your shoes and spreading disease everywhere. Extremism in any context is detrimental! And it simultaneously scares me and makes me angry.

 

[pp9]

Unintentionally happens when they do something like this but animals and/or people get hurt as a result because there was zero forethought.

ooooo this reminds me of the mink farm fiasco...man it feels like that was 10+ years ago? I feel like I was in undergrad at the time (or I'm just really confused lol). When I tried to google for it apparently it's happened many times.

In short, someone released a ton of mink from a mink farm to 'save' them. Problem was that it was in the dead of winter and these animals had never hunted/lived independently. People were finding them dead either from the elements/starvation or having been run over by cars for a while before it fell off of the news.

 

[soupshark]

ooooo this reminds me of the mink farm fiasco...man it feels like that was 10+ years ago? I feel like I was in undergrad at the time (or I'm just really confused lol). When I tried to google for it apparently it's happened many times.

In short, someone released a ton of mink from a mink farm to 'save' them. Problem was that it was in the dead of winter and these animals had never hunted/lived independently. People were finding them dead either from the elements/starvation or having been run over by cars for a while before it fell off of the news.

The lack of critical thinking skills and forethought just really makes me wanna bang my head against the wall 😩 I'm all for people finding things to be passionate about, but if you're so passionate shouldn't you be inclined to learn more about these animals you are trying to save? And the realities of production and economics? I don't know...

Edit: maybe this is an ignorant assumption and more the mindset of a scientific thinker. But as a scientific thinker, it seems like the obvious next step to me.
Edit 2: I guess that's the difference between animal welfare and rights. Both have an emotional influence, but one is based on emotion and the other is based more on science.

 

[pp9]

The lack of critical thinking skills and forethought just really makes me wanna bang my head against the wall 😩 I'm all for people finding things to be passionate about, but if you're so passionate shouldn't you be inclined to learn more about these animals you are trying to save? And the realities of production and economics? I don't know...

Edit: maybe this is an ignorant assumption and more the mindset of a scientific thinker. But as a scientific thinker, it seems like the obvious next step to me.
Edit 2: I guess that's the difference between animal welfare and rights. Both have an emotional influence, but one is based on emotion and the other is based more on science.

Honestly a lot of the animal rights people (maybe I'm using 'a lot' with too much liberty) are fine with the animal dying under any circumstance, so long as they don't die in the one circumstance they don't agree with (ie slaughter, euthanasia, whatever). I've met some people while in my line of work that are totally down for animals to be 'set free' from zoos and absolutely acknowledge it would mean a death sentence. You usually hear 'At least they tasted freedom before dying' or 'better than dying in a cement cage' or something like that. So it's more they just don't like the idea of something rather than truly caring about that individual animal.

I also think the average animal rights person severely underestimates how stressful it is for an animal that has been under human care for the entirety of it's life, +/- been in the same environment (farm/zoo/whatever) for the entirety of its life, to suddenly be 'freed' and then find itself in a place that it does not know. People like to think that if they walked into a zoo and cut all the fencing, all of the animals would frolick around with joy but in reality they would either stay put right where they are, or get out and then panic and literally run themselves to death. That's maybe a less true for certain species but in general they are more comfortable in their familiar environments than people believe.

 

[medo1]

one of my clinical rotations provided veterinary care to horses at a well known sanctuary and all the horses had atrocious teeth, like cheeks were puffed out from feed getting packed etc. So idk if the assumption is they only do their worst horses and are more reactionary or if they do preventative care like dentals to what I would do for my current horse. I wonder if they provide cushings meds for all the older horses they get because it was on the questionnaire. I mean it is donation based so they have to prioritize. I dont know it would be hard not knowing if my horse is receiving the level of care I would like. The waitlist is 5-6 years too.

Okay other random rants:
Someone threw rocks at my car and damaged it

My dad keeps dropping raisins where my dog can eat them. How concerned should i be? I tell him one can be deadly like we learned, but he blows it off saying its so rare like a peanut allergy it doesnt matter ughh

 

[JaynaAli]

If anyone wants a four day poison ivy progression, here is a gross human photo. Left was Sunday, right is today. I now have this rash over the entire inner aspect of both arms, front and back of my neck, and the entire front half of my torso.

0/10 do not recommend.

Edit: No medical advice needed, I am under a doctor’s care. Just complaining because this sucks.

 

[apoptosis09]

one of my clinical rotations provided veterinary care to horses at a well known sanctuary and all the horses had atrocious teeth, like cheeks were puffed out from feed getting packed etc. So idk if the assumption is they only do their worst horses and are more reactionary or if they do preventative care like dentals to what I would do for my current horse. I wonder if they provide cushings meds for all the older horses they get because it was on the questionnaire. I mean it is donation based so they have to prioritize. I dont know it would be hard not knowing if my horse is receiving the level of care I would like. The waitlist is 5-6 years too.

100%.
As someone who was involved in horse rescue for many years, many "rescues" and sanctuaries for horses are either straight up scams, or cannot/will not provide adequate care.

If they have to fund raise to "rescue" a horse, they do not have the funds to care for that horse, almost surely. These horses, even if they manage to go to a real sanctuary, will likely never receive the level of care they had while being carefully monitored for research and teaching.

People have this idea of endless sanctuary space and rescues with open arms for every horse that just doesn't exist in reality. Many, if not most, end up in a worse situation than before.

 

[soupshark]

Honestly a lot of the animal rights people (maybe I'm using 'a lot' with too much liberty) are fine with the animal dying under any circumstance, so long as they don't die in the one circumstance they don't agree with (ie slaughter, euthanasia, whatever). I've met some people while in my line of work that are totally down for animals to be 'set free' from zoos and absolutely acknowledge it would mean a death sentence. You usually hear 'At least they tasted freedom before dying' or 'better than dying in a cement cage' or something like that. So it's more they just don't like the idea of something rather than truly caring about that individual animal.

I also think the average animal rights person severely underestimates how stressful it is for an animal that has been under human care for the entirety of it's life, +/- been in the same environment (farm/zoo/whatever) for the entirety of its life, to suddenly be 'freed' and then find itself in a place that it does not know. People like to think that if they walked into a zoo and cut all the fencing, all of the animals would frolick around with joy but in reality they would either stay put right where they are, or get out and then panic and literally run themselves to death. That's maybe a less true for certain species but in general they are more comfortable in their familiar environments than people believe.

Okay this makes sense. I think I'm looking at it under a welfare lens, when they are looking at it as the animal has it's own rights and humans should not have authority over them. I wonder... how many of these people have pets? Lol

 

[soupshark]

If anyone wants a four day poison ivy progression, here is a gross human photo. Left was Sunday, right is today. I now have this rash over the entire inner aspect of both arms, front and back of my neck, and the entire front half of my torso.

0/10 do not recommend.

Edit: No medical advice needed, I am under a doctor’s care. Just complaining because this sucks.

Ouch! That looks painful. Did your doctor give you a timeline for when you should expect it to improve?

 

[JaynaAli]

Ouch! That looks painful. Did your doctor give you a timeline for when you should expect it to improve?

My GP said I’m actually in the window where it may still worsen. But I haven’t seen much worsening today, so hopefully this is as bad as it gets. Can take 4-7 days to hit the worst, may take 2-3 weeks to resolve.

I already happened to have a dermatologist appointment scheduled for Monday…I’ve been waiting 6 weeks for this appointment so they’re probably gonna be real excited when my boring old skin check turns into this instead.

 

[pp9]

I wonder... how many of these people have pets? Lol

Anecdotally, it's the niche 'far right' of animal activists that go as far as not even having pets at home because they view that as captivity too. But there are definitely people that feel that way!

 

[pp9]

My dad keeps dropping raisins where my dog can eat them. How concerned should i be? I tell him one can be deadly like we learned, but he blows it off saying its so rare like a peanut allergy it doesnt matter ughh

Trying to word this in a way that is SDN-legal but there's no easy answer to this. I've seen just a few raisins/grapes cause a problem, I've seen dumdum dogs come in for one thing only to hear 'oh btw he ate a pound of grapes last week, should we do something about that?' and they were totally fine lol. Raisins in theory are more dangerous than grapes though.

There are still a lot of unanswered questions regarding why it's such a hit or miss tox

Edit: Another anecdote, but the emptier-headed the dog, the less likely they are to have problems with any toxicity lol. Save for rat bat, no one can outrun that

 

[battie]

I'm at the point I don't trust shelters/rescues either. Equal opportunity hater. Definitely could be bias coming from the pet store industry. But CO has closed multiple rescues because of BS shenanigans such as a rabies outbreak and straight up abuse. So. Just. No one is innocent until they have a well thought out plan for the before, during, and after of their animals

 

[purrlywhites]

My veterinarian told my coworker he was disappointed yesterday and I’m pretty sure it’s ab me since he wrote my LOR and you’d only be disappointed in someone you have trust in… It could be two different things that it’s about but last night he did say that I have to put my emotions aside to restrain a cat better, and I want to be a vet so I should know, and that annoyed me. Is it so bad that I felt bad restraining a severely congested cat with laryngitis by SCRUFFING IT. The thing was clearly in discomfort and we had to draw blood on it but it was being wiggly so it took multiple pokes. Drs tend to draw blood at our clinic bc it’s a teaching hospital and we are understaffed. Jugular was too hard to draw bc the cat started to get impatient after its first purple top clotted, and then we had to try the back leg and I didn’t want to stretch the cat so I was just holding its head and it was too wiggly, so last resort was scruffing. I feel like the disappointment came from me being unable to scruff a cat but he already knows how I feel about that and I try not to. It’s harder when someone is disappointed rather than angry at me, so I can’t stop thinking about it lol

 

[katiemcat]

I just caught up (newborn trenches) but IMO all this does is encourage schools to be less transparent about their practices. I’m just saying certain schools claim not to do terminal surgery etc but do them in a roundabout way, even hiding it from their students…

 

[ESD_2029]

My veterinarian told my coworker he was disappointed yesterday and I’m pretty sure it’s ab me since he wrote my LOR and you’d only be disappointed in someone you have trust in… It could be two different things that it’s about but last night he did say that I have to put my emotions aside to restrain a cat better, and I want to be a vet so I should know, and that annoyed me. Is it so bad that I felt bad restraining a severely congested cat with laryngitis by SCRUFFING IT. The thing was clearly in discomfort and we had to draw blood on it but it was being wiggly so it took multiple pokes. Drs tend to draw blood at our clinic bc it’s a teaching hospital and we are understaffed. Jugular was too hard to draw bc the cat started to get impatient after its first purple top clotted, and then we had to try the back leg and I didn’t want to stretch the cat so I was just holding its head and it was too wiggly, so last resort was scruffing. I feel like the disappointment came from me being unable to scruff a cat but he already knows how I feel about that and I try not to. It’s harder when someone is disappointed rather than angry at me, so I can’t stop thinking about it lol

To be blunt, he sucks. Fear free is important, safe patient handling is important, and having adequate support staff is important. On top of those things, this crap about guilting you in a passive aggressive way is atrocious.

 

[purrlywhites]

To be blunt, he sucks. Fear free is important, safe patient handling is important, and having adequate support staff is important. On top of those things, this crap about guilting you in a passive aggressive way is atrocious.

Glad you can see that 😂 Usually I like him, but when he shows his toxic side then I remember why I don’t… He’s picky with who he likes and I’m one of his favorites, so he definitely has high expectations of me. He didn’t even say goodnight to me or my coworker that night and for whatever reason it was, it was def uncalled for

 

[overcastkidjuno]

Supposed to meet my bf this weekend for the first time in 5 weeks and what do you know, car suddenly has big "CHECK CHARGE SYSTEM" warning that according to the internet makes it undriveable. Im heartbroken. This car was so reliable until this December and suddenly every time I need to drive anywhere I'm looking forward to it has a new breakdown... 🙁