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nyanko said:
haha, follow up. torn meniscus, how quaint.

.....I've got an obliterated ACL, a partially torn LCL and a huge chunk of articular cartilage MIA from the medial femoral condyle. Hooray! I've won not one, but TWO separate surgical procedures on my knee most likely. It's my lucky day. No, really. 😵
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You done messed that up good.

Wishes for a speedy recovery.
 
Been watching "Shark Men" and now another documentary about sharks. They keep talking about the shark finning industry and showing horrifying undercover footage. I'm just overly angered and emotional about this right now and I want the people of the world to stop sucking so hard.
 
Annoyed beyond words that interest rates for professional medical/vet student loans are INSANE! Why are we charged almost DOUBLE of what you can get a mortgage for these days? Where is the sensibility in this? You have vets/doctors taking at least 4 years extra out of our lives in order to save lives, all the while losing time and income, and further being punished for this with outrageous interest rates. Not only that, no longer is our interest deferred until we graduate.. yes, it accrues the entire time in which we cannot possibly afford to make a loan/interest payment. The cost of our education is stifling and WILL ultimately compromise patient care.
 
flyhi said:
Annoyed beyond words that interest rates for professional medical/vet student loans are INSANE! Why are we charged almost DOUBLE of what you can get a mortgage for these days? Where is the sensibility in this? You have vets/doctors taking at least 4 years extra out of our lives in order to save lives, all the while losing time and income, and further being punished for this with outrageous interest rates. Not only that, no longer is our interest deferred until we graduate.. yes, it accrues the entire time in which we cannot possibly afford to make a loan/interest payment. The cost of our education is stifling and WILL ultimately compromise patient care.
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My parents yell about this constantly on my behalf. :/
 
flyhi said:
Annoyed beyond words that interest rates for professional medical/vet student loans are INSANE! Why are we charged almost DOUBLE of what you can get a mortgage for these days? Where is the sensibility in this? You have vets/doctors taking at least 4 years extra out of our lives in order to save lives, all the while losing time and income, and further being punished for this with outrageous interest rates. Not only that, no longer is our interest deferred until we graduate.. yes, it accrues the entire time in which we cannot possibly afford to make a loan/interest payment. The cost of our education is stifling and WILL ultimately compromise patient care.
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Was just ranting about this with some current students at the school I'm hoping to get into and complain about this any chance I get to anyone who'll listen who's even remotely involved with higher education.
 
flyhi said:
Annoyed beyond words that interest rates for professional medical/vet student loans are INSANE! Why are we charged almost DOUBLE of what you can get a mortgage for these days? Where is the sensibility in this? You have vets/doctors taking at least 4 years extra out of our lives in order to save lives, all the while losing time and income, and further being punished for this with outrageous interest rates. Not only that, no longer is our interest deferred until we graduate.. yes, it accrues the entire time in which we cannot possibly afford to make a loan/interest payment. The cost of our education is stifling and WILL ultimately compromise patient care.
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You LIVE!! Nice to see you again. 🙂
 
My body hates me and decided I needed to come down with a stomach virus on Monday, not Friday or Saturday or Sunday when I wouldn’t be missing hours of class and losing points for labs. 🙁

Talking about the GI tract extensively last week and viruses in immunology makes me angry that my NK cells have failed me.
 
flyhi said:
Annoyed beyond words that interest rates for professional medical/vet student loans are INSANE! Why are we charged almost DOUBLE of what you can get a mortgage for these days? Where is the sensibility in this? You have vets/doctors taking at least 4 years extra out of our lives in order to save lives, all the while losing time and income, and further being punished for this with outrageous interest rates. Not only that, no longer is our interest deferred until we graduate.. yes, it accrues the entire time in which we cannot possibly afford to make a loan/interest payment. The cost of our education is stifling and WILL ultimately compromise patient care.
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My student loans are more than double, closer to 3X what my mortgage is 🙁


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cowgirla said:
My student loans are more than double, closer to 3X what my mortgage is 🙁


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My total mortgage is about two times lower than my total student loans. My monthly payments are more for the mortgage because IBR on student loans because I've decided I'm dying with that debt.
 
1) Opioid shortage. Hate that the only good option for large breed dogs is morphine (at east where I'm at due to costs, etc).

2) My lease is up in April. I was hoping to renew for 6 months in case I decide to move into Boston. Was expecting like a couple hundred increase for the same lease. But nope. Exact same lease, my complex is asking for $1k more than what I'm paying now. So either I have to sign a year lease and figure out what happens if I break the lease or move...again only to possible move again.
 
orca2011 said:
1) Opioid shortage. Hate that the only good option for large breed dogs is morphine (at east where I'm at due to costs, etc).
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Wow, that blows. I thought opioids were back for pretty much everyone? We're back to having all of our typical opioids (morph, torb, bupe, hydro, fentanyl, methadone)....

Time to shop around?
 
Emily Faith said:
My body hates me and decided I needed to come down with a stomach virus on Monday, not Friday or Saturday or Sunday when I wouldn’t be missing hours of class and losing points for labs. 🙁

Talking about the GI tract extensively last week and viruses in immunology makes me angry that my NK cells have failed me.
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Let me know if you need anything! I took pretty good notes today, so if you need those or food or something just lemme know! Being sick is the worst!
 
Small rant bc I'm still at work.

This was my second application round for vet school. I applied to 6 schools. I was rejected from two, given an interview "hold" for Tufts, heard nothing from UPenn or Wisconsin, and was waitlisted in my IS (Cornell) which I feel has a low likelihood of movement due to the in-state price and prestige of the school.

Most days I'm optimistic about this. Today I'm just feeling down and very hard on myself. I haven't posted my stats anywhere because I'm embarrassed. I didn't decide to pursue vet school until sophomore year of college and I'm a low-income student, so the hours of vet/animal experience I could have accumulated was cut in half because I also had to work. My GPA is also not stellar because I switched majors sophomore year to biology when I hadn't taken a single bio course since 8th grade. I've just really been at a disadvantage during this whole process.

Idk man. I don't know if I can bear a 3rd application cycle.
 
How sad it must be to have your own family (my friend's SIL) tell you that you are brainwashed/clueless/unintelligent in terms of veterinary care/pet food/etc. Total strangers are going to say that ish to you on FB all the time, but for your own family to say those things to you?

My in laws have never been the most supportive of anything for my fiance and I, and think their son's BS in athletic training is more advanced medical education than a DVM, but I doubt they'd ever call me a brainwashed pawn who is paid to hock certain products. If they ever did, that would be a conversation I'd enjoy having though 😉
 
johnnaboo said:
Small rant bc I'm still at work.

This was my second application round for vet school. I applied to 6 schools. I was rejected from two, given an interview "hold" for Tufts, heard nothing from UPenn or Wisconsin, and was waitlisted in my IS (Cornell) which I feel has a low likelihood of movement due to the in-state price and prestige of the school.

Most days I'm optimistic about this. Today I'm just feeling down and very hard on myself. I haven't posted my stats anywhere because I'm embarrassed. I didn't decide to pursue vet school until sophomore year of college and I'm a low-income student, so the hours of vet/animal experience I could have accumulated was cut in half because I also had to work. My GPA is also not stellar because I switched majors sophomore year to biology when I hadn't taken a single bio course since 8th grade. I've just really been at a disadvantage during this whole process.

Idk man. I don't know if I can bear a 3rd application cycle.
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Aw, don't be embarrassed! Everybody has something in their application that I'm sure they wish was better. If you don't want to post on the forum, you could always pm a few people who you think will be helpful without being jerks. I'm sure there are a few of those at least around here. 😉

Get some file reviews with every school that will offer one to see if there are specific things you could do and have some people read over all your essays to strengthen them. Keep doing what you need to do to make your application stronger until eventually you absolutely overwhelm the admissions committees with your awesomeness. You've got it! 🙂
 
LetItSnow said:
Wow, that blows. I thought opioids were back for pretty much everyone? We're back to having all of our typical opioids (morph, torb, bupe, hydro, fentanyl, methadone)....

Time to shop around?
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seriously?

I've been using my tiny bottle of hydro (which I generally love) so sparingly recently, I need to make the officer manager look harder I suppose...
 
cdoconn said:
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Let me know if you need anything! I took pretty good notes today, so if you need those or food or something just lemme know! Being sick is the worst!
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Thank you! I’ve been living off of small amounts of gatorade and crackers that my friend brought me. I have thankfully improved since this morning, when I looked much like the picture above. 😉
 
@johnnaboo My PM box is always open if you want some advice, someone to read over essays, or just to talk. I second the suggestion to get file reviews, it's really the best way to figure out what each school is looking for and how you can improve your application. Hang in there <3
 
Quick rant here (normally just a lurker on this former)...

My 13.5 year old bc/lab mix is approaching the end of her journey. But...she's just so damn happy half the time. She has had hip dysplasia since 6 months old (Previcox is her hero - and Merial has received a small fortune from me over the many years 😉). We never thought she'd live this long, but she is a true fighter. To make matters harder, my SO is in the human healthcare industry - so that and Vet Med must be the same, right?? 🙄 Our other animals have been more cut and dry at this stage...I think that's making this that much harder and I'm getting push back from SO. Ugh, why is it so hard sometimes to get people to agree that euthanasia a little early is WAY better than a day too late?
 
Emily Faith said:
Thank you! I’ve been living off of small amounts of gatorade and crackers that my friend brought me. I have thankfully improved since this morning, when I looked much like the picture above. 😉
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Good to hear!!! :laugh:

Tell your preganglionic excitatory fibers to stop the withdrawal of the input to your enteric intrinsic motor neurons in an orad direction!!!!
:barf:

That post made me vomit.
 
Wow. I didn't realize the opioid shortage was still impacting people. I just figured when our supplies all started showing up it was showing up for everyone.

Bummer. 🙁
 
britzen said:
Get some file reviews with every school that will offer one to see if there are specific things you could do and have some people read over all your essays to strengthen them. Keep doing what you need to do to make your application stronger until eventually you absolutely overwhelm the admissions committees with your awesomeness. You've got it! 🙂
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Thanks for the words of encouragement!

I did do a file review with Cornell last year. They gave me good feedback, which was essentially "Your stuff isn't bad, but all the other applicants had a lot more stuff." So I tried to beef up my experience by doing a research job under a DVM/PhD and tried re-taking the GRE (GRE scores did not improve unfortunately--I suck at studying for standardized tests). I've just been overthinking everything today. Tomorrow will be better!
 
LetItSnow said:
Wow. I didn't realize the opioid shortage was still impacting people. I just figured when our supplies all started showing up it was showing up for everyone.

Bummer. 🙁
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How are you getting yours? I don't order drugs yet obviously but it's been described to us as a serious, serious problem in the vet community in general and a PITA for the teaching hospital/wildlife clinic. Our zoo med intern told us that our zoo med service is the only service able to use hydro right now because the doses they need are so small for little creatures, so they can use the almost-empty bottles in our pharmacy 😛

I've only heard things about hydro but I imagine we're having just as much trouble for the other drugs as anyone else.
 
pinkpuppy9 said:
How are you getting yours? I don't order drugs yet obviously but it's been described to us as a serious, serious problem in the vet community in general and a PITA for the teaching hospital/wildlife clinic. Our zoo med intern told us that our zoo med service is the only service able to use hydro right now because the doses they need are so small for little creatures, so they can use the almost-empty bottles in our pharmacy 😛

I've only heard things about hydro but I imagine we're having just as much trouble for the other drugs as anyone else.
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Beats me. I don't do our ordering. I just know that supplies were super tight for a while back in December (no fentanyl, running out of hydro, limited methadone) but as of earlier this month we've been flush with drugs!
 
cdoconn said:
Good to hear!!! :laugh:

Tell your preganglionic excitatory fibers to stop the withdrawal of the input to your enteric intrinsic motor neurons in an orad direction!!!!
:barf:

That post made me vomit.
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Yeah, this post isn’t good for the nausea. :laugh:
 
You know, maybe that’s why I’m sick. The thought of taking his quizzes and exams all over again is enough to make anyone queasy.
 
Emily Faith said:
You know, maybe that’s why I’m sick. The thought of taking his quizzes and exams all over again is enough to make anyone queasy.
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I’m already queasy thinking about them!


(my phone really wanted to correct queasy to quesadilla... I think I have a Mexican food problem)
 
cdoconn said:
I’m already queasy thinking about them!


(my phone really wanted to correct queasy to quesadilla... I think I have a Mexican food problem)
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Why does Mexican food sound so good right now? I think I have a problem too...that’s the last thing I should be eating right now. :shrug:
 
DVMDream said:
My total mortgage is about two times lower than my total student loans. My monthly payments are more for the mortgage because IBR on student loans because I've decided I'm dying with that debt.
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I was referring to interest rates, but yeah, total amounts suck too. My house was about the same as loans cost wise.


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johnnaboo said:
Small rant bc I'm still at work.

This was my second application round for vet school. I applied to 6 schools. I was rejected from two, given an interview "hold" for Tufts, heard nothing from UPenn or Wisconsin, and was waitlisted in my IS (Cornell) which I feel has a low likelihood of movement due to the in-state price and prestige of the school.

Most days I'm optimistic about this. Today I'm just feeling down and very hard on myself. I haven't posted my stats anywhere because I'm embarrassed. I didn't decide to pursue vet school until sophomore year of college and I'm a low-income student, so the hours of vet/animal experience I could have accumulated was cut in half because I also had to work. My GPA is also not stellar because I switched majors sophomore year to biology when I hadn't taken a single bio course since 8th grade. I've just really been at a disadvantage during this whole process.

Idk man. I don't know if I can bear a 3rd application cycle.
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I applied to vet school 4 times (though the first time was a HUGE mistake on my part, I just didn't know). Anyway, feel free to pm me if you'd like an opinion, and I'm happy to share my own stats if you'd like.
 
LetItSnow said:
Wow, that blows. I thought opioids were back for pretty much everyone? We're back to having all of our typical opioids (morph, torb, bupe, hydro, fentanyl, methadone)....

Time to shop around?
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We have Torb, burprenorphine and morphine pretty easily still. As far as I know we have not been able to get methadone or hydro and only have a limited amount of fentanyl. Not sure who they are ordering from to know if that's the main issue. Super jealous that you have it all back.
 
johnnaboo said:
Small rant bc I'm still at work.

This was my second application round for vet school. I applied to 6 schools. I was rejected from two, given an interview "hold" for Tufts, heard nothing from UPenn or Wisconsin, and was waitlisted in my IS (Cornell) which I feel has a low likelihood of movement due to the in-state price and prestige of the school.

Most days I'm optimistic about this. Today I'm just feeling down and very hard on myself. I haven't posted my stats anywhere because I'm embarrassed. I didn't decide to pursue vet school until sophomore year of college and I'm a low-income student, so the hours of vet/animal experience I could have accumulated was cut in half because I also had to work. My GPA is also not stellar because I switched majors sophomore year to biology when I hadn't taken a single bio course since 8th grade. I've just really been at a disadvantage during this whole process.

Idk man. I don't know if I can bear a 3rd application cycle.
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Hugs! I know these feels. I applied twice to vet school (rejection, then waitlist) and I decided not to go for a third attempt. So then I applied to grad school was rejected by them, too! 🙄

Don't feel embarrassed. Seriously. I also worked through school and often had pretty average grades (my science gpa was 2.9 at one point. ouch). I'm damn proud of working my way through school and avoiding loans, and now that I have some distance from the C's I got, I'm damn proud of them, too.
 
We still have a significant pure mu shortage, and we haven't had injectable prokinetics (reglan, erythro, ranitidine, etc) for weeks :dead: please explain to me how I'm supposed to critical care without opioids and prokinetics!!
 
jmo1012 said:
We still have a significant pure mu shortage, and we haven't had injectable prokinetics (reglan, erythro, ranitidine, etc) for weeks :dead: please explain to me how I'm supposed to critical care without opioids and prokinetics!!
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Whhaaaaaat?

How is it that we have all those things, and you don't? I just don't get it. (We never ran out of any of our prokinetics to begin with.)
 
So I passed a guy walking his deformed frenchie/pug mix thing while I was walking my dog. He told me that his dog wanted to play, I warned him that my dog can be really rambunctious and that we're still working on manners, but he kept coming closer with his dog. They sniffed, my dog put a paw on his back (probably trying to get him to wrestle?), and the guy yanked his leash back so hard that his dog literally went airborne. There was no yelp from his dog when my dog touched him, and the dog was still sniffing mine for the two seconds that my dog had her foot on him.

Hoping he doesn't come back at me with the neck injuries that dog probably just experienced. Surprised the dog didn't proptose tbh. I get that he may have misinterpreted my dog's actions, but if a dog 4x the size of yours wanted to attack, I think we would still be out there trying to separate them.

I'm mostly just upset because he was being a total dick as he walked away with the "It's okay buddy, we won't go near that mean dog again." :yeahright: However, lesson learned, my dog is too rambunctious to play with other dogs I guess. I wish I could take her to a dog park so she could blow off steam, but she's on strict controlled/short walks due to her heart.
 
Ugh, I'm down to like 3ml of hydro with no more in sight. No luck with morphine, methadone or fentanyl either, I looked into switching but no luck. We still have plenty of torb and buprenex, and I've been doing a lot of ketamine CRIs and bupivicaine blocks in every possible case periop to try to offset it. We did have issues getting ondansetron at one point too which was random - couldn't get the multidose vial so ended up with a butt ton of 1ml bottles.
 
cowgirla said:
Ugh, I'm down to like 3ml of hydro with no more in sight. No luck with morphine, methadone or fentanyl either, I looked into switching but no luck. We still have plenty of torb and buprenex, and I've been doing a lot of ketamine CRIs and bupivicaine blocks in every possible case periop to try to offset it. We did have issues getting ondansetron at one point too which was random - couldn't get the multidose vial so ended up with a butt ton of 1ml bottles.
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We're switching from injectable fentanyl to patches for our ortho wildlife patients, apparently patches are easier to get when we need them? Also going to Simbadol from traditional buprenorphine cuz it works out to be cheaper/lower volumes in our case, so one bottle goes farther.

Luckily we use torb and buprenorphine most commonly in wildlife, but recent studies show that torb has no analgesic effect in raptors (which was a generally accepted thought for a long time), so we're about to start draining our buprenorphine bottles. Hopefully bup doesn't become an issue.
 
cowgirla said:
Ugh, I'm down to like 3ml of hydro with no more in sight. No luck with morphine, methadone or fentanyl either, I looked into switching but no luck. We still have plenty of torb and buprenex, and I've been doing a lot of ketamine CRIs and bupivicaine blocks in every possible case periop to try to offset it. We did have issues getting ondansetron at one point too which was random - couldn't get the multidose vial so ended up with a butt ton of 1ml bottles.
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Dunno if it's worth mention (probs not) but I've been using a lot more injectable NSAID when we went through our opioid shortage. Been super happy with the results, so I've kept doing it.

I think I kinda got in a habit of not using them just due to the usual concerns and so I kinda wasn't using them even when it was appropriate. Now I give a lot more carprofen injections to help reduce my opioid use/need a little bit.

You might look into dolasetron (anzemet). Older drug, but I used to have good luck with it at the one hospital we have that still carries it.

Sucks about hydro. 🙁
 
pinkpuppy9 said:
We're switching from injectable fentanyl to patches for our ortho wildlife patients, apparently patches are easier to get when we need them? Also going to Simbadol from traditional buprenorphine cuz it works out to be cheaper/lower volumes in our case, so one bottle goes farther.

Luckily we use torb and buprenorphine most commonly in wildlife, but recent studies show that torb has no analgesic effect in raptors (which was a generally accepted thought for a long time), so we're about to start draining our buprenorphine bottles. Hopefully bup doesn't become an issue.
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Are those fent-patched patients in the hospital?

I used to use fentanyl patches once in a while.... but I'm just petrified some toddler will rip it off and eat it and there goes my license or something. Even our surgeons hardly ever use it any more, and I don't remember the last time I put a fent patch on something. If they're in hospital they're on a CRI. If they're going home, they don't need fentanyl.
 
LetItSnow said:
Are those fent-patched patients in the hospital?

I used to use fentanyl patches once in a while.... but I'm just petrified some toddler will rip it off and eat it and there goes my license or something. Even our surgeons hardly ever use it any more, and I don't remember the last time I put a fent patch on something. If they're in hospital they're on a CRI. If they're going home, they don't need fentanyl.
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For wildlife, they definitely are. I don't know how/if patches are used on owned patients, just haven't had enough time in the hospital to get a real sense of the protocols. I worked for a vet who did fentanyl patches fairly often and I think she would send them home with a patch depending on the client but I was always worried about owners sticking the patch on themselves (Michigan-Ohio border...so concerns like that were legit). Definitely a concern for kids too.

I think the issue is that for wildlife, if the last drop of fentanyl was either going to a dog or owl, the dog would probably get it. Patches make more sense in wildlife because they reduce handling and I'm sure part of it is an effort to reduce our post-op use of injectable fentanyl. I'm not sure where our pharmacy stands on fentanyl specifically, I have only heard complaints about hydro and general 'we might be SOL with the opioid crisis' comments.
 
pinkpuppy9 said:
For wildlife, they definitely are. I don't know how/if patches are used on owned patients, just haven't had enough time in the hospital to get a real sense of the protocols. I worked for a vet who did fentanyl patches fairly often and I think she would send them home with a patch depending on the client but I was always worried about owners sticking the patch on themselves (Michigan-Ohio border...so concerns like that were legit). Definitely a concern for kids too.

I think the issue is that for wildlife, if the last drop of fentanyl was either going to a dog or owl, the dog would probably get it. Patches make more sense in wildlife because they reduce handling and I'm sure part of it is an effort to reduce our post-op use of injectable fentanyl. I'm not sure where our pharmacy stands on fentanyl specifically, I have only heard complaints about hydro and general 'we might be SOL with the opioid crisis' comments.
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Yeah, exactly. I don't even worry so much about an adult sticking the patch on themselves - the dosing probably wouldn't cause significant risk. But some little kid swallowing one? That could be tragic. I just don't want that on my license. I feel like they used to be used more but now.... I'm not even sure we actually have any in hospital anymore. Just none of us want the risk associated with sending fentanyl home in any form.

For hospitalized patients it definitely could make more sense to me.
 
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