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Wow, I've only seen maybe one or two dogs that Apoquel hasn't helped exponentially and I'm pretty sure you and I are in the same county...
I recently worked with a dermatologist and we had several dogs come through that apoquel didn't touch. Allergy vaccines were life changing for all of the dogs I saw that apoquel didn't help.
 
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Are they seeing many adverse effects from Apoquel?
I want to say we saw one in the 3 weeks I was in derm, but it was questionable on whether or not it was really the apoquel. I can check with the derm dr this week though and see about how many he's seen.
 
Wow, I've only seen maybe one or two dogs that Apoquel hasn't helped exponentially and I'm pretty sure you and I are in the same county...

It hasn't been that many. Probably between 5-10 in the past year. A few of those where from when our supply was limited, and we were only giving smaller amounts to patients who weren't responding to anything else, so it often ended up going to the worst of the worst cases. It helped a little, but didn't quite kick the itchiness, and two that I can remember were still significantly itchy and miserable. We script out so much Apoquel every single day that I'm sure these cases are actually a very small percentage.
 
I want to say we saw one in the 3 weeks I was in derm, but it was questionable on whether or not it was really the apoquel. I can check with the derm dr this week though and see about how many he's seen.

I'd be curious to hear what they have to say.

AFAIK, we haven't had any clients report any adverse effects, and I haven't heard any of our doctors express concerns. Nothing weird with the IL31 injections yet, either.
 
It's not a high horse for one person in this industry to stand up and call out someone else for being pointlessly judgmental of her colleagues, which is what you are doing. I'm simply defending the people you are attacking.

Clearly it isn't "totally fine" or you wouldn't be so defensive.
Even if I was being pointlessly judgmental of colleagues, I consider that a huge step above a veterinarian cracking thinly veiled pedophilia/child abduction jokes on a forum visited by schools, parents, and high schoolers. White panel van? Yeah, okay. Discussion over.
 
Pinky, some people have been on this forum a very long time. Jokes develop amongst posters and are done in good fun. And while the rant thread is here indeed for someone to air whatever grievances are being had, LIS and dy were attempting to alleviate yours by introducing a different way to look at it. I can't tell you how often I get peeved at some of the things prevets say out of ignorance, but remember that I too was ignorant once and a lot of them don't have the experience to investigate and find more truth into what they are getting themselves into.

That is why this forum is remarkable. We share thoughts and knowledge here to help people understand the whole process and future better for this profession. So while we are mostly here for the spread of information, I think you should step back and also understand that there are also a lot of us who know each other well and enjoy a good joke. You have crossed the line with that comment. I understand your frustration at being told that your rant is misplaced, but there is no call to go that defensive.
 
Even if I was being pointlessly judgmental of colleagues, I consider that a huge step above a veterinarian cracking thinly veiled pedophilia/child abduction jokes on a forum visited by schools, parents, and high schoolers. White panel van? Yeah, okay. Discussion over.
Holy ****, chill out. It's called a running joke.
 
Even if I was being pointlessly judgmental of colleagues, I consider that a huge step above a veterinarian cracking thinly veiled pedophilia/child abduction jokes on a forum visited by schools, parents, and high schoolers. White panel van? Yeah, okay. Discussion over.

LOL! So now you're attacking me and every single other person who has ever cracked one of those jokes? And in addition, not to mention everyone who has participated in the running WildZoo teen pregnancy joke (since that inherently involves jokingly-implied pedophilia)?

Priceless.

The fact that your only response is to lash out really just says that you know you're wrong and have no other recourse. I'm ok with that. Lash away!

P.S. I guess you were lying when you said it was "totally ok" for me to disagree? I mean, if it was totally ok I'm not sure why you'd spew such vitriol.
 
Holy ****, chill out. It's called a running joke.
I understand that some people may find that humorous, but others don't. Frankly, I don't see how one could find alluding to such things funny at all, but maybe I'm just a stick in the mud who isn't fortunate enough to not know people affected by both crimes.
 
LOL! So now you're attacking me and every single other person who has ever cracked one of those jokes? And in addition, not to mention everyone who has participated in the running WildZoo teen pregnancy joke (since that inherently involves jokingly-implied pedophilia)?

Priceless.

The fact that your only response is to lash out really just says that you know you're wrong and have no other recourse. I'm ok with that. Lash away!

P.S. I guess you were lying when you said it was "totally ok" for me to disagree? I mean, if it was totally ok I'm not sure why you'd spew such vitriol.
Hey! You leave my babies out of this!
They're overcooked and very sensitive 🙁
 
I understand that some people may find that humorous, but others don't. Frankly, I don't see how one could find alluding to such things funny at all, but maybe I'm just a stick in the mud who isn't fortunate enough to not know people affected by both crimes.
Pinks. Take a deep breath. I think it's ok to be annoyed by those things. And when you're annoyed even good intentioned comments can piss you off to the nth degree. I know. I do it too. (Let's just say my temper is not my favorite personal feature.) But you KNOW these are good people with good intentions. I WAS a child victim of those crimes, and I still don't cringe when they crack those jokes because they are GOOD PEOPLE and I know it.

Yes, you can totally roll your eyes when people say things you think are silly. But it's not something to get angry about and that I thin was their points. Just breathe.
 
I understand that some people may find that humorous, but others don't. Frankly, I don't see how one could find alluding to such things funny at all, but maybe I'm just a stick in the mud who isn't fortunate enough to not know people affected by both crimes.
Also, just realized I used the incorrect 'humorous.' Darn anatomy still haunting me...
 
I understand that some people may find that humorous, but others don't. Frankly, I don't see how one could find alluding to such things funny at all, but maybe I'm just a stick in the mud who isn't fortunate enough to not know people affected by both crimes.
this contradicts itself.

Look, you seem very upset. Might be time to take a step back and decide if this is worth fighting over or not.
 
I understand that some people may find that humorous, but others don't. Frankly, I don't see how one could find alluding to such things funny at all, but maybe I'm just a stick in the mud who isn't fortunate enough to not know people affected by both crimes.
Not being offended by any bit of dark humour will make life a lot more enjoyable. That's all.
 
Not being offended by any bit of dark humour will make life a lot more enjoyable. That's all.
This may be true to an extent, but I draw the line at what was being made light of. If you find it funny to poke fun at it, go ahead. I'm just doing what LIS did-calling a colleague out on something I don't think is cool.
 
This may be true to an extent, but I draw the line at what was being made light of. If you find it funny to poke fun at it, go ahead. I'm just doing what LIS did-calling a colleague out on something I don't think is cool.

That's great, but your true motivation is obvious....

And your target was off. I didn't actually start the white panel van thing, and though I do find it amusing and participate in that running joke sometimes, It actually is really more other people than me.

And there is a difference. I am not calling you out on something I think is "not cool." I am calling you out on an unwarranted attack on colleagues. What you are doing is petty defensiveness.

There are a million things I think colleagues do that "aren't cool".... I never call them out on it. Not my place. For instance, I wouldn't judge someone for their sense of humor (even if it was different than mine) or their stated reason for going to vet school.

It is interesting that you can't see the difference.

In the interests of not subjecting people to more of this, I propose you get your last word in and we stop. I will not reply anymore, so you can feel free to deliver a final lashing if you would like.
 
That's great, but your true motivation is obvious....

And your target was off. I didn't actually start the white panel van thing, and though I do find it amusing and participate in that running joke sometimes, It actually is really more other people than me.

And there is a difference. I am not calling you out on something I think is "not cool." I am calling you out on an unwarranted attack on colleagues. What you are doing is petty defensiveness.

There are a million things I think colleagues do that "aren't cool".... I never call them out on it. Not my place. For instance, I wouldn't judge someone for their sense of humor (even if it was different than mine) or their stated reason for going to vet school.

It is interesting that you can't see the difference.

In the interests of not subjecting people to more of this, I propose you get your last word in and we stoop. I will jot rly anymore.
I was pretty offended at you bailing on me. That is offensive to a colleague. Not cool.
 
This may be true to an extent, but I draw the line at what was being made light of. If you find it funny to poke fun at it, go ahead. I'm just doing what LIS did-calling a colleague out on something I don't think is cool.
Making light of extremely serious, important topics is kind of the whole spiel of dark humour. I mean, it's fine if that's not your thing. But you're going to be harshly judging a whole lot of quite good people. :shrug:

Also kind of weird that you responded to me and not the colleagues who took their time to actually write good responses to you.
 
I was pretty offended at you bailing on me. That is offensive to a colleague. Not cool.

See? There you go getting annoyed by stupid ****. 🙂

If it helps - I felt guilty. AND I apologized. So. I'm not sure what else to do to make it up to you.

Besides, YOU bailed on ME at ... uh ... whatever convention that was. So there. Even.
 
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See? There you go getting annoyed by stupid ****. 🙂

If it helps - I felt guilty. AND I apologized. So. I'm not sure what else to do to make it up to me.

Besides, YOU bailed on ME at ... uh ... whatever convention that was. So there. Even.
NAVC?
 
Making light of extremely serious, important topics is kind of the whole spiel of dark humour. I mean, it's fine if that's not your thing. But you're going to be harshly judging a whole lot of quite good people. :shrug:

Also kind of weird that you responded to me and not the colleagues who took their time to actually write good responses to you.
For some reason, my phone has never handled SDN well and doesn't always show every post. Also, not every post needs a direct response. (Edit: Especially when a post is certainly not deserving of a response in the first place.)

Sorry, but you're never going to be able to convince me that jokes about some seriously horrendous things are ever actually funny. We can leave it at that and agree to disagree. I'm sure there are certain topics you would consider 'off limits.' I also find it troubling that so many people are defending jokes about situations that destroy/end lives, but you do you. Seriously. Let's just call it a night.
 
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I recently worked with a dermatologist and we had several dogs come through that apoquel didn't touch. Allergy vaccines were life changing for all of the dogs I saw that apoquel didn't help.

Yeah, but dermatologist means at least secondary if not tertiary clinic. You overselect for odd cases

I want to say we saw one in the 3 weeks I was in derm, but it was questionable on whether or not it was really the apoquel. I can check with the derm dr this week though and see about how many he's seen.

I haven't seen one yet. That being said, I test blood 1 month out in order to stay on it. The majority of reactions are seen on CBC per the white paper
 
You know what makes me sad? Cyclosporin didn't work for **** for my dog. Her symptoms were never controlled and it made her very very sick. So she's on medrol right now and we're going to try mycophenylate which scares me.
 
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Apoquel is nearly miraculous, and we've had good results with IL31. But that's all just another conspiracy from the robot vets who like the old fashioned crack dealer gives you just enough relief to keep coming back for more.

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No. I had extensive discussions with her dermatologist about apoquel actually. She's not itchy. At all. She has vasculitis and has lost huge chunks of pinna and the skin necrosed and she lost the last 2 vertebra in her tail
And what sucks is there wasn't a precipitating event that triggered it like vaccines or meds
 
No. I had extensive discussions with her dermatologist about apoquel actually. She's not itchy. At all. She has vasculitis and has lost huge chunks of pinna and the skin necrosed and she lost the last 2 vertebra in her tail
🙁 poor thing
 
I honestly wanted to try it before mycophenylate because I have to get it compounded into a suspension and that worries me.

I don't want nor need hemorrhagic diarrhea and neither does she
 
It's been really frustrating. She's fairly well controlled right now but I'm not going to get my deposit back because she's so PU/PD.

She had to be on a 6 month course of abx too because open skin lesions+suppressed immune system=playground for pathogens
 
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