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RANT HERE thread
Started by flyhi
I thought I only had 11 shifts left, but I actually have 12 😭
I’m so sorry you’re going through this. Vet school is very hard and it’s hard feeling to be failed on something.
Does your school offer a vet school specific counselor you can talk to? They tend to understand what you’re going through more than most mental health professionals.
Regardless, school is never worth your health or your life. If you need a break you should absolutely take one.
Take care of yourself friend.
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Does your school offer a vet school specific counselor you can talk to? They tend to understand what you’re going through more than most mental health professionals.
Regardless, school is never worth your health or your life. If you need a break you should absolutely take one.
Take care of yourself friend.
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Echoing what Katie said. Vet school is not worth your life. Please get the support and help you need, there is so much more to life than vet school.
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There are plenty of GP vets that don’t do surgery as well as multiple non surgical specialties!
Surgery is a huge learning curve though, and it’s nerve wracking. It just takes a whole lot of practice.
I’m sorry you’re feeling this way, friend. I think I can safely speak for everyone here that we’d rather have you quote unquote “overshare” here and seek the help you need than hear that you successfully harm yourself or more.
I was able to spay a cat with DVM supervision last year but I had a surgery OSCE today and I failed because of my intramuscular injection and need to remediate as well. You will not be a bad doctor because you’re struggling with this. You may not even be bad at surgery.
There’s billions of people on this planet, but there’s only one of you. You can take some time off if you need to, but the world can’t replace you, and it’s better with you in it. Take care of yourself ❤️
Hi. I don't know you personally, but I've dealt with severe mental illness and can totally understand wanting to shout into the void of the internet.
If you need to shout into the void some more, you can message me. I'm not a vet student yet, but understand deeply how complex dealing with mental illness and school and personal life and EVERYTHing at the same time can be. I'm wishing the very best for you and hoping your coping skills and external supports come through for you in this time. I'm also really really hoping you have good external supports (proper diagnosis and medication saved my life).
Best of luck to you through this trying weeks and hoping that the days following are not as trying.
I'm so sorry 😔
Baby has started sleeping through the night. I guess I should’ve still gotten up to pump but I’m just so exhausted with finishing school! I got some antibiotics it’s just very ouchie
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At least you must be wrapping up soon, yeah? I know the OSU 4th years are on their last rotation rn.
Yes my last rotation starts Monday and I’m done after that!
My journal club sent a passive aggressive email to the group today saying 'If you're too busy to show up for sessions, you need to drop out.' I've missed probably a handful of sessions (including the past two because baby) in the last 3 years I've been in this group, and we meet every other week. My articles are always turned in on time, I just didn't join these last two sessions because it's hard to be a good participant if the baby isn't sleeping, or at least calm.
Meanwhile we have someone who hasn't logged in to a session in maybe over a year and routinely is late af with her articles and others who miss more meetings than they make...
trying not to take it personally but it's feeling personal. Doesn't help that it's really hitting that I'll be board eligible in 2028 and I don't see how I'm studying for that exam with a two year old, so maybe there's no point to my participation anyways.
Meanwhile we have someone who hasn't logged in to a session in maybe over a year and routinely is late af with her articles and others who miss more meetings than they make...
trying not to take it personally but it's feeling personal. Doesn't help that it's really hitting that I'll be board eligible in 2028 and I don't see how I'm studying for that exam with a two year old, so maybe there's no point to my participation anyways.
This is one of those situations where, if they aren't saying it to you directly, then you aren't the problem. Passive aggressive group statements don't do anyone any good because no one knows what's truly wrong. So keep doing you. If someone has a problem with you, they can speak with you directly. Otherwise, they're just a coward.
You can do it. You absolutely can do it! It's hard to find time to study, but even if it's just an hour here, an hour there, it adds up over time. Toddler Bats is going to preschool this fall, so I'm going to start studying for ABVP during that time, as an example.
Toddler schedules are way doable if you can have go to bed at a reasonable hour to spend some time after bed time too. My toddler doesn't believe in naps 🙄 But yours might! And, not for nothing, this is a good reason to ulitize your support system. You'll make mom friends and seeing if someone can have him over for a few hours a day a week makes a huge difference.
Don't give up when you're in this part of mom life. This is a rough stage full of sleep deprivation, discomfort, and hormone shifting that's wild to look back on.
Keep doing journal club and whoever is being dramatic can get over themselves. Study when you can and adjust as he gets older and more independent.
I’m fairly certain squatters have moved into the apartment across from me. Moved in at midnight several nights ago, leaving random times of the day and night, zero personal belongings.
As long as we all mind each others business hopefully it’ll be fine but the track record with this complex is not great
As long as we all mind each others business hopefully it’ll be fine but the track record with this complex is not great
stinkyfreddy
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I can second this. The hospital I work at the head vet doesn't like surgeries so she brings in another vet to primarily do the surgeries and help her out with other clinical cases. So you can do whatever you want!!
Idk if to put this in rant or rave but I was let go from my ****ty job today! My position got eliminated due to funding issues, yay! SO glad I worked to crank out some studies last week lmfao
Sad thing is I only feel relief. While I would have liked another 5.5 more weeks of pay before I was planning on quitting anyways, I’m excited for the downtime. Rip to the lone lady standing haha
Boss is an absolute coward though the way he did it. But whatever, I’ll be fine and know I’m about to start a journey for an actual meaningful career for me.
Sad thing is I only feel relief. While I would have liked another 5.5 more weeks of pay before I was planning on quitting anyways, I’m excited for the downtime. Rip to the lone lady standing haha
Boss is an absolute coward though the way he did it. But whatever, I’ll be fine and know I’m about to start a journey for an actual meaningful career for me.
If you were laid off, are you eligible for unemployment for a period of time? Might be worth looking into even if you were already making other plans.
Sure am! It’ll all be ok
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People with kid(s) have definitely taken the exam and passed, I guess we'll see how it goes when I get closer to actually studying for the exam. Hubs would support, workplace...we'll see. They supported my coworker who took it, but also to this day make the occasional comment about the leave of absence she took to study (I think it's been like 3-4 years since she took it? lol).
It also would net me nothing but clout. Maybe increased respect within the zoo and in the zoo med community, but not like it's gonna get me a bigger paycheck or increase job opportunities significantly...
Do you want me doing the dismissals or not? Like can I even get a chance to sit down to write it?
Why does applying for a mortgage require every.single.document. ever created. Maybe I'm a bad records keeper, but why would I still have paystubs from 3 years ago when I never printed them off the online portal that I no longer have access to in the first place? And why did they take 6 weeks to ask me for these documents when i KNOW this employer's HR department is incredibly slow and there's no way I'll be able to get the paystub before closing??? Feeling frustrated.
Update it’s FUNGAL. EW.
Been there, no fun, 0/10 do not recommend. Hopefully treatment kicks in soon - don't forget to treat bubs as well.
We both got some meds! Hopefully it clears up soon because feeding has been miserable ☹️
When we got the cats in 2023 I was paying $34.08/mo for my boy's insurance and $28.26/mo for my girl's. Trupanion is supposed to keep them at the going cost for when they were enrolled (so we got them as kittens, our premium can go up with inflation for what the current cost for insuring kittens is).
Today I got the notice that my boy is going to be $60.55/mo alone; almost as much as we were paying for both of them three years ago and about the 4th time they've raised our premium on us.
How am I supposed to advocate for my clients to have insurance when this happens? They both now have pre-existing conditions and the only way to lower their premium is to change their deductible, something you can only do one time.
I'm not cancelling their insurance because if Olive needs an MRI the coverage alone will cover the premium for a long time to come, but still. Damn.
Today I got the notice that my boy is going to be $60.55/mo alone; almost as much as we were paying for both of them three years ago and about the 4th time they've raised our premium on us.
How am I supposed to advocate for my clients to have insurance when this happens? They both now have pre-existing conditions and the only way to lower their premium is to change their deductible, something you can only do one time.
I'm not cancelling their insurance because if Olive needs an MRI the coverage alone will cover the premium for a long time to come, but still. Damn.
I tell clients they need to make an excel sheet with the costs now, cells that calculate between 2-10% increases YoY, and decide if they would treat something like a GDV or FBO or neoplasia. THEN, if they do it, put the money in a HYSA that they touch for nothing else. They need to save enough money for an emergency (5-10k, pending their comfort level) in that HYSA in addition to their premium.
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I dropped the scope last night 🫠 Broke a superficial piece that didn't matter. But damn. Just 8 shifts to go. And I go and break my favorite toy
Idk why it doesn’t have a wrist strap like a Wii remote
I bumped it off a cart 😭 I don't even have a good excuse.
I mean. Both look inside the cat in their own ways 🤣
I have ongoing health issues that make life an adventure sometimes, but I could really do without a new one cropping up + acute worsening of my chronic **** two weeks into clinical year.
I need an ultrasound because my uterus has decided to chronically bleed for no reason, which has made my anemia much worse. I have almost no iron in my body. I am so fatigued all the time. The oral iron supplements make my GI stuff worse, but I desperately need iron. I'm not even confident I can absorb any iron orally because one of the meds I'm on for GI management is known to interfere with iron absorption, so that's probably why this started and then the blood loss is exacerbating things. But stopping that medication is out of the question because I have absolutely wretched reflux to the extent that I have bouts of reflux through the med, but at least it's lessened.
An iron infusion would be better, but when can I make that happen? My next few rotations are all at the hospital, which means I'm occupied Monday through Friday when my doctor is open. Same for the ultrasound I need... How do I arrange that? Some clinicians are nicer than others about taking personal days, but we also can't miss more than one day per rotation or we fail the rotation, and I'm scared I'll have a bad bowel day where I can't stop having diarrhea... But then I can't take a personal day if I've already used it for my ultrasound. But bureaucratic hospital rotation BS is also not worth me being constantly exhausted. But also I will cry if I have to repeat a rotation over Christmas because I was trying to attend to my health.
It's just a mess rn. Why are so many things wrong with me? Why am I a lemon? Why am I a rotting lemon?
I need an ultrasound because my uterus has decided to chronically bleed for no reason, which has made my anemia much worse. I have almost no iron in my body. I am so fatigued all the time. The oral iron supplements make my GI stuff worse, but I desperately need iron. I'm not even confident I can absorb any iron orally because one of the meds I'm on for GI management is known to interfere with iron absorption, so that's probably why this started and then the blood loss is exacerbating things. But stopping that medication is out of the question because I have absolutely wretched reflux to the extent that I have bouts of reflux through the med, but at least it's lessened.
An iron infusion would be better, but when can I make that happen? My next few rotations are all at the hospital, which means I'm occupied Monday through Friday when my doctor is open. Same for the ultrasound I need... How do I arrange that? Some clinicians are nicer than others about taking personal days, but we also can't miss more than one day per rotation or we fail the rotation, and I'm scared I'll have a bad bowel day where I can't stop having diarrhea... But then I can't take a personal day if I've already used it for my ultrasound. But bureaucratic hospital rotation BS is also not worth me being constantly exhausted. But also I will cry if I have to repeat a rotation over Christmas because I was trying to attend to my health.
It's just a mess rn. Why are so many things wrong with me? Why am I a lemon? Why am I a rotting lemon?
I’m so so sorry PSV.
I’m sure you’ve already tried but iron biglycinate was the only form of iron that wouldn’t make me vomit while I was pregnant.
Clinics is… a time when it comes to physical/mental health. But it is so important. We have the same deal with not being able to miss more than one day here. Some clinicians if you talk to them will let you make up just the day (s) you missed. One of my classmates had to have emergency surgery during clinics and it was really hard for her in general nevermind making up rotations. Is is possible they could let you make days / blocks up during your breaks or summer? If I had missed any blocks with my pregnancy they were going to let me make it up the summer after i graduate and still let me walk at graduation (some other people with health issues are doing this).
I would highly recommend meeting with your dean and advisor so you can come up with a plan. I was really nervous about doing this but I’m so glad I did. They will understand. You can’t control your health problems and you need to be healthy enough to learn.
If you ever want to talk even just to rant you’re always welcome to PM me. Feel better.
breezywonton
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Need some advice!
So, I had a volunteer thing (idk what to call it; they said they maybe could pay me $500 for the month) lined up May 18-June 15 this summer at a low cost nonprofit vet clinic. I have expressed my interest since December of last year, I even went in to meet everyone, tour, etc. Well fast forward to now, they have not been the best with communication. I have emailed them several times the past few months asking for a concrete schedule because I need to let my boss at my other job know what hours I can work. My last email was 2 weeks ago and they responded that they would let me know the next day. (they didn't.) I also wanted to confirm what I actually would be doing as a vet student because my school does this clinical exposure thing where we work in different parts of the teaching hospital, but we can do an external one if we get it approved. I was going to use this experience as that so I gave them the paperwork that needed filled out. The due date for that was April 17, and I haven't gotten it back. My school extended the deadline for me but like...??! With my start date being next week, idk if I should just cut ties with them or should I give it one last shot? I could make more money at my other job+ just volunteer at the shelter I usually go to if I wanted vet experience. But I also feel bad because I know they're probably just busy.
So, I had a volunteer thing (idk what to call it; they said they maybe could pay me $500 for the month) lined up May 18-June 15 this summer at a low cost nonprofit vet clinic. I have expressed my interest since December of last year, I even went in to meet everyone, tour, etc. Well fast forward to now, they have not been the best with communication. I have emailed them several times the past few months asking for a concrete schedule because I need to let my boss at my other job know what hours I can work. My last email was 2 weeks ago and they responded that they would let me know the next day. (they didn't.) I also wanted to confirm what I actually would be doing as a vet student because my school does this clinical exposure thing where we work in different parts of the teaching hospital, but we can do an external one if we get it approved. I was going to use this experience as that so I gave them the paperwork that needed filled out. The due date for that was April 17, and I haven't gotten it back. My school extended the deadline for me but like...??! With my start date being next week, idk if I should just cut ties with them or should I give it one last shot? I could make more money at my other job+ just volunteer at the shelter I usually go to if I wanted vet experience. But I also feel bad because I know they're probably just busy.
But I also feel bad because I know they're probably just busy.
I love that you're an understanding person. At the same time, people shouldn't host students if they aren't prepared to host students.
You can always give it another chance. But I wouldn't get your hopes up.
This has been a truly terrible year. Yesterday marks Relative #4 that has died in the past year. I did some grieving in advance for her because she had dementia, but still. My brother is a more complex loss (an addiction he has become resigned will kill him), but I consider him #5. I can’t ****ing take it anymore.
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I'm so sorry @RTC19
I need to rant to people who will understand the words I'm using so I can stop stewing on this and just let it go.
Friday I saw a teenage DSH for complaint of drooling. O thought he had an abscess, took 1 look at the cat's mouth and he clearly has an oral SCC that went from not-there in Feb to now large and consuming his entire rostral mandible/mandibular symphysis expanding the dorsal and ventral aspects into the oral cavity and ventral chin. I told O about my concern for SCC and that these types of masses in cats are SCC until proven otherwise, he seemed skeptical and wanted me to FNA so I did. FNA showed clusters of epithelial cells with multiple nuclei, some mitotic figures, anisocytosis, anisokaryosis, etc -ddx adenocarcinoma or more likely SCC given signalment/location. Cat also has gone from 12lb to 10lb since Feb despite reportedly still eating well and has a new 4/6 murmur. I told O it's SCC and outside of referral for likely mandibulectomy/oncology eval (we're pretty rural, 2+ hrs from referral center) our options are limited. He seemed to understand so we started the cat on low dose meloxicam to hopefully slow it down - also requested price quote for meloxicam.
Ffwd to Monday (my day off), O calls clinic to ask to speak to the practice owner who has seen the cat/client once before (the Feb appt). PO texts me yesterday evening to ask about sending the slide (which I did not save because we only did it to show it wasn't an abscess and I was confident in the cytology findings esp given 9 times out of 10 these masses are SCC all day and the cytology corroborates that) to pathology. She had me send her the couple pics of the slide I took for his record and sent those to a telecytology service today, which confirmed my diagnosis. Without ever seeing the cat's mass she tells the owner she can do surgery on it to "debulk" the mass. I did not offer this as an option because absolutely no way to get 2-3 cm margins on this thing without mandibulectomy so IMO a debulking surgery isn't going to improve his quality or quantity of life, plus it grew this big in 2.5 months so it will rapidly grow back. It's just going to be putting him through an expensive/painful procedure for minimal to no gain. Also there's the significant weight loss and new 4/6 murmur to think about re anesthesia, and my boss does *not* use any safer anesthesia protocols if there are comorbidities, so bro's gonna get walloped with dexmed.
Anyway the rant is that now to the owner I just look like an a-hole who was withholding treatment options when in reality he's been given false hope that this is going to help his cat. Plus I feel like my boss casted doubt on my diagnosis to the owner when there was no reason to and he was already skeptical. I do like my job/workplace but this isn't the first time such a situation has happened where I make evidence-based recommendations and then the client asks to consult my boss who is pretty old school and does whatever they want (all the way to the bank) and then looks like the hero in the client's eyes. End rant.
Pretty FNA pic for tax.
Friday I saw a teenage DSH for complaint of drooling. O thought he had an abscess, took 1 look at the cat's mouth and he clearly has an oral SCC that went from not-there in Feb to now large and consuming his entire rostral mandible/mandibular symphysis expanding the dorsal and ventral aspects into the oral cavity and ventral chin. I told O about my concern for SCC and that these types of masses in cats are SCC until proven otherwise, he seemed skeptical and wanted me to FNA so I did. FNA showed clusters of epithelial cells with multiple nuclei, some mitotic figures, anisocytosis, anisokaryosis, etc -ddx adenocarcinoma or more likely SCC given signalment/location. Cat also has gone from 12lb to 10lb since Feb despite reportedly still eating well and has a new 4/6 murmur. I told O it's SCC and outside of referral for likely mandibulectomy/oncology eval (we're pretty rural, 2+ hrs from referral center) our options are limited. He seemed to understand so we started the cat on low dose meloxicam to hopefully slow it down - also requested price quote for meloxicam.
Ffwd to Monday (my day off), O calls clinic to ask to speak to the practice owner who has seen the cat/client once before (the Feb appt). PO texts me yesterday evening to ask about sending the slide (which I did not save because we only did it to show it wasn't an abscess and I was confident in the cytology findings esp given 9 times out of 10 these masses are SCC all day and the cytology corroborates that) to pathology. She had me send her the couple pics of the slide I took for his record and sent those to a telecytology service today, which confirmed my diagnosis. Without ever seeing the cat's mass she tells the owner she can do surgery on it to "debulk" the mass. I did not offer this as an option because absolutely no way to get 2-3 cm margins on this thing without mandibulectomy so IMO a debulking surgery isn't going to improve his quality or quantity of life, plus it grew this big in 2.5 months so it will rapidly grow back. It's just going to be putting him through an expensive/painful procedure for minimal to no gain. Also there's the significant weight loss and new 4/6 murmur to think about re anesthesia, and my boss does *not* use any safer anesthesia protocols if there are comorbidities, so bro's gonna get walloped with dexmed.
Anyway the rant is that now to the owner I just look like an a-hole who was withholding treatment options when in reality he's been given false hope that this is going to help his cat. Plus I feel like my boss casted doubt on my diagnosis to the owner when there was no reason to and he was already skeptical. I do like my job/workplace but this isn't the first time such a situation has happened where I make evidence-based recommendations and then the client asks to consult my boss who is pretty old school and does whatever they want (all the way to the bank) and then looks like the hero in the client's eyes. End rant.
Pretty FNA pic for tax.
On a rotation where teamwork is graded, but you have gotten three passive aggressive texts from group members scolding you for being a team player.
It’s day two of this rotation and now I’m dreading it
It’s day two of this rotation and now I’m dreading it
I know you’re not really asking for advice but I always open my big mouth.
Worth a conversation with the PO? Or possibly using this as an opportunity to wipe your hands of what might be a difficult client (I might be reading between the lines too much here?)….
At the end of the day, you should only be doing what you are comfortable with. The only time that line blurs for me is if the animal is going to die if you do not intervene immediately, especially with you being rural. This does not sound like that at all.
Also sidebar, but this is where vet med is stuck. Wanting to elevate care, but people can’t afford it, and weve still got vets willing to be cowboys. There is absolutely a time and place for cowboying, don’t get me wrong, but when certain people do it allllll the time and for $5… hopefully an NG/EG tube was discussed as being likely needed….
Fortunately I don't think the client is too difficult; his wife just died and this was her cat so I think he really wants to do something to help him. My issue is spending $1000+ of his money for no benefit to the cat when he COULD spend that for a referral appt if anything. My boss avoids referring things at all costs and I know he was led to think that this *might* help the cat so he was willing to do it. I tried to talk to PO about it but her response was that "he understood and he wants to try." I am confident he wasn't given proper informed consent (how could he when she hasn't evaluated the patient/the mass in question) esp since he was told she "might not be able to get it all" which the owner hears as "but it's possible." Def won't be getting any kind of feeding tube. I'll be happy if he makes it through anesthesia.
You're so right about the cowboys... and I find that the cowboys rarely face any kind of consequence even when poop hits the fan.
I do feel better after ranting tho so... thanks 😛
Downside of living (or soon-to-be living) on 80 acres of prairie…
Today I was out picking up trash around my future house. I stop because I feel something on my leg, like behind my knee. I’ve gotten one of my honeybees up my pantleg before, and I thought that’s what it was. I grab whatever is tickling my leg through my jeans with one hand, and reach up my pant leg with the other hand to remove said object…and I feel fur. A mouse RAN UP MY PANT LEG. Up the inside. I tossed him, he ran, I told him to stay out of my house. Blech.
Today I was out picking up trash around my future house. I stop because I feel something on my leg, like behind my knee. I’ve gotten one of my honeybees up my pantleg before, and I thought that’s what it was. I grab whatever is tickling my leg through my jeans with one hand, and reach up my pant leg with the other hand to remove said object…and I feel fur. A mouse RAN UP MY PANT LEG. Up the inside. I tossed him, he ran, I told him to stay out of my house. Blech.
Travelling when my inlaws are travel adjacent is emotionally exhausting. They've called with something like every single day since like saturday. None of it has really been relevant to us.
My MIL wants updates while we travel. Um no. First of all yall are going to be in the air while we are on the ground and vice versa. Not including travelling with the toddler. Also if our plane is delayed or goes up in smoke its not like you can do anything anyway.
Can't wait for my BIL graduation to be over🙃
My MIL wants updates while we travel. Um no. First of all yall are going to be in the air while we are on the ground and vice versa. Not including travelling with the toddler. Also if our plane is delayed or goes up in smoke its not like you can do anything anyway.
Can't wait for my BIL graduation to be over🙃
If anyone was counting or wondering yes they called again today. Thank goodness we fly tomorrow.🙃
So they called when they were getting in their seats to go to Boston. Called us when they landed/we were boarding and then texted us to call when we landed when we didnt answer the second time.
Now for the part of love advice about.
*self harm warning ahead*
So we land and inlaws say to pls call no graduation tomorrow. Thats wierd. The school is definitely still having it after a brief google search. So call and talk to them. BIL is having suicidal ideation again. He is safe currently. He attempted 2 years ago unsuccessfully. Of course being in this field im well aware of suicide. Of course im glad he is safe right now because it would/will destroy my husband and of course his parents. Im fully aware this is going to sound selfish. But im salty. I took off 2 days of work and flew with a baby not including the cost of hotel, car, flights and eats. Of course i plan to be supportive. But I'd really like to throat punch him right now.
Do you ever share those thoughts with the suicidal person? Or just eat my feelings (which is fine) and just support?
Thanks for any and all thoughts. The first time was "easy" per say in dealing with it but now im slightly rageful.
Now for the part of love advice about.
*self harm warning ahead*
So we land and inlaws say to pls call no graduation tomorrow. Thats wierd. The school is definitely still having it after a brief google search. So call and talk to them. BIL is having suicidal ideation again. He is safe currently. He attempted 2 years ago unsuccessfully. Of course being in this field im well aware of suicide. Of course im glad he is safe right now because it would/will destroy my husband and of course his parents. Im fully aware this is going to sound selfish. But im salty. I took off 2 days of work and flew with a baby not including the cost of hotel, car, flights and eats. Of course i plan to be supportive. But I'd really like to throat punch him right now.
Do you ever share those thoughts with the suicidal person? Or just eat my feelings (which is fine) and just support?
Thanks for any and all thoughts. The first time was "easy" per say in dealing with it but now im slightly rageful.
I would suggest keeping your feelings from BIL for sure, especially while he's in the thick of it, and just be there to support BIL and husband right now. It's a tough situation and I'm sorry that you're having to go through this on top of the already stressful travels.
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