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My overall GPA is 3.0 (nonscience major) and my prerequisite gpa is 2.4. I applied and did not get in this year. Should I retake some prerequisite classes to improve my GPA. My OAT was not good either. Guess I have to retake that as well. Thanks for any advice.
 
bigheadgirl said:
My overall GPA is 3.0 (nonscience major) and my prerequisite gpa is 2.4. I applied and did not get in this year. Should I retake some prerequisite classes to improve my GPA. My OAT was not good either. Guess I have to retake that as well. Thanks for any advice.

I hate to say this, but if your prerequisite GPA is that low and you did not do well on the OAT, it might be time to start considering other career choices.

If you took 8 courses as prereqs, that would mean that you would have to take an additional 8 and get a GPA of at least 3.6 in those classes just to bring your prereq average up to a 3.0 which isn't that great to begin with but coupled with a poor OAT score, will doom you at most schools.

Sorry for the bluntness.

Jenny
 
JennyW said:
I hate to say this, but if your prerequisite GPA is that low and you did not do well on the OAT, it might be time to start considering other career choices.

If you took 8 courses as prereqs, that would mean that you would have to take an additional 8 and get a GPA of at least 3.6 in those classes just to bring your prereq average up to a 3.0 which isn't that great to begin with but coupled with a poor OAT score, will doom you at most schools.

Sorry for the bluntness.

Jenny

To Jenny,
As a professional who's already done with school, don't you have better things to do and your work to attend to rather than post on here? You are not in any way tacful and you just suck in general. You simply put people down without any constructive constribution. Whether you admit it or not, you enjoy putting people down because it makes you feel better about yourself - this is very sad. You are always so full of yourself. Get a f*cking life, you should have better things to do then spending your time on an anonymous forum with a bunch of anxious college students.

To the OP, if you are dedicated.. then get your degree, take some time off to work or something.. if you still want to and is not in a hurry, then do a 1 year post bac program after time off, retake the OAT and reapply. Most adcom are more forgiving to people who demonstrate maturity and will place stronger emphasis on recent materials/score. Be sure to show significant improvements. Hope that helps.
 
your gpa is quite low for most schools. therefore, i think (to be safe) you REALLY need a high OAT score to show that your undergrad marks were due mostly to youth, excessive partying, etc. of course, there will always be stories of people getting in with really low gpa and OAT scores, but statistically, you have a lower chance and improving your OAT is something that is quite do-able.

you can improve your gpa, but that will definitely take time and effort. given your low undergrad gpa, you need to do well in the post-bacc or retaking of pre-reqs.

i agree with both posters above...it is definitely possible, but it will take you more time (and perhaps more effort) given your poor undergrad gpa. are you willing to have this as a goal for 2 or 5 years (or how ever long it takes to improve either your OAT or gpa)? if yes, go for it and you will eventually succeed.

not to put too much pressure on you, but you really need to improve from here on out. if you get almost the same results as before (low gpa and poor OAT), it will still be possible but it will take yet more time.

i know i don't know you, but i'm sure you can do it. if i were in your situation, for me the main issue would be time...are you willing to take the time needed to improve your stats? the second issue is whether you think you can improve. if your stats were due to poor study skills or lack of motivation, then you can most definitely improve greatly. my advice would be to understand WHY your gpa and OAT are so low. then you can try to fix these things on your second go around.
 
gerido said:
To Jenny,
As a professional who's already done with school, don't you have better things to do and your work to attend to rather than post on here? You are not in any way tacful and you just suck in general. You simply put people down without any constructive constribution. Whether you admit it or not, you enjoy putting people down because it makes you feel better about yourself - this is very sad. You are always so full of yourself. Get a f*cking life, you should have better things to do then spending your time on an anonymous forum with a bunch of anxious college students.
With all due respect, it is the professionals that are done with school that have the most to offer a bunch of anxious college students. Trust us when we say someone with a low GPA and poor OAT should consider another field. My class started with 65 and only graduated 61 (after adding four students from the class ahead of us). Believe me, it wasn't the students with higher GPA's and OAT's that dropped out.

I don't know Jenny, but I have read a lot of her posts, and I believe you can learn something from her. She may have been a little blunt in this post (which she apologized for) but she is right on the money. By the way, if you can't handle this type of criticism now, you will not fair very well during your 4th year rotations.

Just an opinion from another professional done with school.

Ben Chudner, OD, FAAO
UCBSO Class of '97
 
gerido said:
To Jenny,
As a professional who's already done with school, don't you have better things to do and your work to attend to rather than post on here? You are not in any way tacful and you just suck in general. You simply put people down without any constructive constribution. Whether you admit it or not, you enjoy putting people down because it makes you feel better about yourself - this is very sad. You are always so full of yourself. Get a f*cking life, you should have better things to do then spending your time on an anonymous forum with a bunch of anxious college students.

To the OP, if you are dedicated.. then get your degree, take some time off to work or something.. if you still want to and is not in a hurry, then do a 1 year post bac program after time off, retake the OAT and reapply. Most adcom are more forgiving to people who demonstrate maturity and will place stronger emphasis on recent materials/score. Be sure to show significant improvements. Hope that helps.

My friend,

Rest assured that I have many better things to do than to post on here. THe only reason I continue to do so is that I receive multiple private messages per day asking my opinion and my advice.

I'm now entering my 15th year of practice. I sat on the admissions committee of an east coast school for years. If you want to sugarcoat things for this person and play cheerleader, then that is your perogative but it's going to take a minor miracle for this person to gain admission to virtually every school out there even with significant improvement in his/her scores. As someone who has been on the inside, I think that my suggestion of perhaps considering a different career is a lot more constructive than simply saying rah rah rah you can do it. I used to take ballet lessons. As much as I would have liked to, I was never going to make it to be Prima Ballerina at the NYC Ballet or even get admitted to the school so simply saying "you can do it if you just study a little harder" is not that helpful. For some people, it's just not meant to be. That doesn't mean the OP is a bad person, or stupid or any of that.

When you said that I was "not in any way tactful" but then suggested that I "get a f*cking life," were you trying to show me just how to be tactful?

I have continued to post on here because I remember all the rumor and conjecture and stress that surrounded admissions when I was applying and I have tried to provide more of the straight story than what is usually posted on here since I have been on the inside.

If anyone of you would prefer that I leave believe me I would be happy to. Just let me know.

Jenny
 
There will be a new school opening in NC apply there, you will have a better chance at admission. Also think about Puerto Rico. If you really want to be an O.D. DO NOT GIVE UP!
 
UNC-Pembroke idea was shot down. So sorry 😀
 
Are grades really that important? I graduated in 2000 with a BS in Applied Computer Science, then worked for 3 years and decided to go back to school. In the past 2 years since I've been back in school, I've had all A's and B's except for 1 C. The schools that rejected me said nothing about my grades, only that my OAT scores weren't high enough. My AA was 270. I got the impression optometry schools mainly look at OAT scores more than anything. Is that true?
 
RLK said:
Are grades really that important? I graduated in 2000 with a BS in Applied Computer Science, then worked for 3 years and decided to go back to school. In the past 2 years since I've been back in school, I've had all A's and B's except for 1 C. The schools that rejected me said nothing about my grades, only that my OAT scores weren't high enough. My AA was 270. I got the impression optometry schools mainly look at OAT scores more than anything. Is that true?

i personally think jenny should stay, if only to give different opinions that are rarely voiced. we are all rather optimistic here, aren't we? statistically speaking, not everyone gets in.

to the OP, I still think you can do it if you get good grades from now on AND good OAT scores (a big "if", I know). however, it will take you MANY years.

to jenny - if the OP were to get 3.8 - 4.0 on a SECOND complete degree (whether it be another bachelor's or a PhD) and explain his first gpa in his essay/application and scored WAY above average on the OAT, wouldn't his first gpa have significantly less weight so that s/he has at least a chance of admission?

to the OP - given the situation i posed above, you can see that you will only be increasing your chances of admission (nothing guarenteed since you'd still have the low gpa on your file and some adcoms might take that into consideration still...) AND it would take you bloody long before you could get there. you might need to work and get some "life experience" so you can chalk up your weak gpa to a past mistake.

after more thought, i think what jenny is trying to say (well, what i'm interpreting) is a good thing to think about. given your current situation, you are facing an enormous uphill battle to get in, one that will probably take many years AND lots of effort. also, it is still unknown whether you will actually succeed (a large part having to be getting good grades). some people are just not academically-inclined, and so find it extremely difficult to get good grades without busting their butts day in and day out. if you are like this, are you willing to do this for years in order to try to gain admission?

also, WHY is your gpa so low? is it because you slacked off and never went to classes, or never did anything except write the final exam? given your current situation, some people will be able to dig themselves out while others definitely will not be able to (even with a considerable amount of time and effort). you should ask yourself OBJECTIVELY which category you fit into because if you do decide to go for it, it will take inordinate time and effort that may not be worth the final goal in the end.
 
RLK said:
Are grades really that important? I graduated in 2000 with a BS in Applied Computer Science, then worked for 3 years and decided to go back to school. In the past 2 years since I've been back in school, I've had all A's and B's except for 1 C. The schools that rejected me said nothing about my grades, only that my OAT scores weren't high enough. My AA was 270. I got the impression optometry schools mainly look at OAT scores more than anything. Is that true?

from my understanding, an AA of 270 is below average and is considered at some schools to be quite poor. are you going to write the OAT again?

i would think adcoms look at both your gpa and OAT. you probably cannot get in with poor grades but a 400 OAT. vice versa, at most schools poor OAT scores cannot be rescued by average-to-good grades.

your grades are good, but not stellar (i.e. all A's or 4.0), so your OAT is probably important to your application. also, it is standardized so it allows schools to directly compare applicants.
 
JennyW said:
My friend,

Rest assured that I have many better things to do than to post on here. THe only reason I continue to do so is that I receive multiple private messages per day asking my opinion and my advice.

I'm now entering my 15th year of practice. I sat on the admissions committee of an east coast school for years. If you want to sugarcoat things for this person and play cheerleader, then that is your perogative but it's going to take a minor miracle for this person to gain admission to virtually every school out there even with significant improvement in his/her scores. As someone who has been on the inside, I think that my suggestion of perhaps considering a different career is a lot more constructive than simply saying rah rah rah you can do it. I used to take ballet lessons. As much as I would have liked to, I was never going to make it to be Prima Ballerina at the NYC Ballet or even get admitted to the school so simply saying "you can do it if you just study a little harder" is not that helpful. For some people, it's just not meant to be. That doesn't mean the OP is a bad person, or stupid or any of that.

When you said that I was "not in any way tactful" but then suggested that I "get a f*cking life," were you trying to show me just how to be tactful?

I have continued to post on here because I remember all the rumor and conjecture and stress that surrounded admissions when I was applying and I have tried to provide more of the straight story than what is usually posted on here since I have been on the inside.

If anyone of you would prefer that I leave believe me I would be happy to. Just let me know.

Jenny


Impressive, 15 Years … A person that is almost as old as I am. 😉 Two of my younger associates introduced me to SDN. Since they found it helpful when practicing OD’s posted they encouraged me to post some of my thoughts. It would be a loss if Jenny’s impressions were not shared.

When I was teaching, the admissions people would tell me that grades were important, however the OAT was even more so. Since the OAT is an indication of how well a student learned the prerequisite material, a good OAT helps offsets an average GPA. However a low GPA and OAT will almost always give you a rejection notice.

I think you must realize that even if you are able to raise your GPA, OAT and do get into OD school; you have to be able to complete the program and be able to pass the NBEOs. While it is possible to do this and be successful, the odds of you failing are greater. I believe there is a 1-2% OD Student loss rate per class, and of the OD’s that finish; there is a 5-7% that never pass the NBEOs. (Stats from the early to mid 1990’s probably not accurate now) I know a few OD’s that could not get a license to practice. I feel bad for these people but also think that maybe, it would have been better if they never got accepted and pursued a different career.
 
when repeating classes, do we get to use the new grades to calculate our GPA or is it a combination of old and repeated grades? To jennyw, I think you're very mean and rude.
 
I don't know about all schools, but for Illinois College of Optometry (ICO), you could use the highest grade, but you had to write an "R" in one of the columns indicating that you repeated the course.
 
Well, first of all I would just like to thank JennyW for taking her time to reply to these forums and provide a good deal of information for prospective Optometry students. ODs seriously do not have the time for this kind of garbage, and I (along with many others I presume) appreciate the input that JennyW is able to give.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand, bigheadgirl, did you call the schools that you applied to and asked them why you were not accepted? Often they will be able to tell you which areas need improvement in order to make you a stronger applicant in the future. Also ask them if they will accept repeated courses for pre-requisities before you actually go ahead and redo them.
 
bigheadgirl said:
My overall GPA is 3.0 (nonscience major) and my prerequisite gpa is 2.4. I applied and did not get in this year. Should I retake some prerequisite classes to improve my GPA. My OAT was not good either. Guess I have to retake that as well. Thanks for any advice.
How many times did u take the OAT? if it is over four times and still didnt improve, u will need to reconsider about being an optometrist. I believe the only reason why u did bad on OAT is the lack of knowledge of pre requisites. I suggest u retake the classes and try to learn it, then Perhaps u may do well. If I were u I wouldnt risk my time or money for something that isnt known for sure. However, it all depends on ur willingness to be an optometrist. Some people want to be an optometrist more than anyone else and that is what they wanna do for the rest of their life. IF u were one of them, I suggest u dont give up. Jenny wasnt mean actually since she is telling u the truth. I know no one could take the truth, oh well.
 
bigheadgirl said:
when repeating classes, do we get to use the new grades to calculate our GPA or is it a combination of old and repeated grades? To jennyw, I think you're very mean and rude.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I realize you posted to hear only positive responses, but Jenny is just trying to show you what a tough road there is ahead, if you choose to continue on this path. For a traditional student like you, gpa probably counts a lot. For someone who has been working a few years and is returning to school (e.g., RLK), the OAT will have more weight. Your low GPA, combined with your admittedly "not great" OAT score, will prove to be a major hindrance in your application. Some schools will allow you to mask old grades, others will combine them. A good way to find out is to call the schools in which you're interested. Call the schools that turned you down and ask what you need to do to make yourself competitive for next year. Then, DO THOSE THINGS.

You can sit here and call Jenny (or me) "mean" all you want, it still won't get you into optometry school.
 
bigheadgirl said:
when repeating classes, do we get to use the new grades to calculate our GPA or is it a combination of old and repeated grades? To jennyw, I think you're very mean and rude.

I'm sorry you feel that way, hon. I'm just trying to be honest with you.

Here is somethingt that I posted on an old thread that I dug up. Perhaps this will help you.

I was on the admissions commitee of an east coast school for 3 years, and I'll try to give you some insights into what I saw:

Obviously, GPA matters. The number of applications to optometry schools is not in the thousands, so each application DID get a look. But if the GPA was painfully low, then the likelihood of the application getting more than a passing glance was low UNLESS:

1: The student was from a well known school
2: The student was in a difficult academic program that concentrated heavily on the sciences. Low GPA applications with excessive elective courses or with majors that did not have a reputation for being difficult were usually flushed quickly. (read: "communications" majors with GPAs of 2.6 needn't bother.)

OAT scores probably mattered more than GPA since it's the one thing that all applicants have in common. If you don't score above 300, you should probably consider retaking it, even if your GPA is high.

Recommendation letters from people other than ODs mattered little. Most of them were generic, with the students name just being inserted into a form letter. I recal that often times male pronouns were scattered through recommendation letters for female candidates and vice versa. What was always helpful was a letter from an OD who graduated from that school.

Work experience in the field mattered a lot, even if you were the receptionist at a lenscrafters. Research didn't matter unless you were applying to the PhD program.

The personal statement mattered a lot, but only if it reflected on why one wanted to be an optometrist, and gave a description as to the steps one took to reach that decision. No one cared about your brother who was killed in a car accident, or the fact that you played piano every week for the people at the old folks home.

Sometimes there is also plain luck involved. I recall that one girl had an application with a modest GPA and only slightly above average OAT scores. However, in her application she mentioned that she had been in girl scouts all through high school and had attained her gold award, which is the girl scout equivalent of an eagle scout. (I only made my silver award. lol) Well, one of the other woman on the committee was ALSO a gold award recipient 15 years prior, and fought hard for this applicant, so she was admitted. (And actually was one of the top performing members of her class the following year.)

One year, it was down to the final spot. It was narrowed down to two applicants that were virtually identical. No one could decide. Flipping a coin was ACTUALLY CONSIDERED! All of a sudden, the DEAN of admissions leaned forward and said "Wait a minute! Where is this one from?" Turns out the applicant was from a small town in southwestern Wisconsin, and the Dean grew up in the town 10 miles over. Guess which applicant was admitted?

One thing that I noticed right away was that there was NO quota whatsoever wrt race, location, or gender. As the process went along, at no time did anyone say "we have too many women, or not enough minorities" or anything like that. So white men, take comfort.

So, the best advice I can give you all is to do the best you can, and try to have ONE thing that makes your application stand out.

Jenny
 
bigheadgirl said:
when repeating classes, do we get to use the new grades to calculate our GPA or is it a combination of old and repeated grades? To jennyw, I think you're very mean and rude.
bigheadgirl, you asked for advice. Jenny gave you a straight answer. She could have been the cheerleader like a lot of other people on the thread have done, but that doesn't do you any good. If you want to hear that if you work really hard and get your grades and OAT's up you'll make it into OD school, ask your friends and family. If you want a realistic reply, take to heart what Jenny said. This is not about you or what type of person you are. It is simply about numbers, and yours are not strong.
 
JennyW said:
One year, it was down to the final spot. It was narrowed down to two applicants that were virtually identical. No one could decide. Flipping a coin was ACTUALLY CONSIDERED! All of a sudden, the DEAN of admissions leaned forward and said "Wait a minute! Where is this one from?" Turns out the applicant was from a small town in southwestern Wisconsin, and the Dean grew up in the town 10 miles over. Guess which applicant was admitted?

Ouch, I feel sorry for the other candidate who did not get in just because of that, luck of the draw I guess?
 
If it was that close, why couldn't they just admit both of them? Why was the number set in stone?
 
bigheadgirl said:
My overall GPA is 3.0 (nonscience major) and my prerequisite gpa is 2.4. I applied and did not get in this year. Should I retake some prerequisite classes to improve my GPA. My OAT was not good either. Guess I have to retake that as well. Thanks for any advice.

I know that if you really want to be an optometrist and your heart is in it, then you can bring up your grades and OAT score. Don't be discouraged because you did not get accepted this year. I encourage you to reapply and retake the OAT and a few of your prereq classes. You should not take personally when someone tells you that you are not cut out for this and that you should think about pursuing a diff career. Nobody has the right to tell you that, the only person that can say that to you is yourself. Imagine if my optometrist told me to pursue something else, than I would probably have quit. I was in the same situation as you, and with the support of friends and family, I got accepted. But you have to want it and you have to be dedicated to it. DO NOT GIVE UP! Good luck!
 
RLK said:
If it was that close, why couldn't they just admit both of them? Why was the number set in stone?

The idea to admit them both was suggested but the Dean nixed it. The policy was to only offer admission to a specific number of people. And it was down to one more admission. The other person was waitlisted.

Jenny
 
Ben Chudner said:
bigheadgirl, you asked for advice. Jenny gave you a straight answer. She could have been the cheerleader like a lot of other people on the thread have done, but that doesn't do you any good. If you want to hear that if you work really hard and get your grades and OAT's up you'll make it into OD school, ask your friends and family. If you want a realistic reply, take to heart what Jenny said. This is not about you or what type of person you are. It is simply about numbers, and yours are not strong.

You can be honest and be nice about it. JennyW is arrogant, egotistical, and condesending. For someone who has been a professional for 15 years and deals with patients on a regular basis, she sure knows how to communicate and sympathize. It doesn't take a Ph.D in psychiatry to figure out that her coming here is to validate her selfworth and stroke her own ego among a bunch of naive pre-opt students. Admittedly, the OP's stat is fairly low for admission, but the option of pursuing optometry school remains open if the OP does post-bac, master, or improved OAT scores. For someone who self-proclaimed to know everything there is to know about opt. admission, making such definite respond can shoot people down for something that is definately possible.
 
gerido said:
You can be honest and be nice about it. JennyW is arrogant, egotistical, and condesending. For someone who has been a professional for 15 years and deals with patients on a regular basis, she sure knows how to communicate and sympathize. It doesn't take a Ph.D in psychiatry to figure out that her coming here is to validate her selfworth and stroke her own ego among a bunch of naive pre-opt students. Admittedly, the OP's stat is fairly low for admission, but the option of pursuing optometry school remains open if the OP does post-bac, master, or improved OAT scores. For someone who self-proclaimed to know everything there is to know about opt. admission, making such definite respond can shoot people down for something that is definately possible.


I totally agree with you. Well said!!!
 
Two things about posting threads the internet and how they are perceived:

1) It's only the internet
2) It written communication.

It is hard to get a an encouraging "suck up and deal with" message across with a written thread versus an condescending message. JennyW has some good points, good ideas and is willing to share her experiences on this board. If it comes across rude and abrupt, so be it. At least she is giving some good, straight forward advice.

If you don't have the grades and OAT scores, what makes a person think that they are qualified to be admitted into Optometry school, much less pass the curriculum and the boards?

Study. Get practical eyecare work experience. Be involved.

BKK

PS. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy this board as a practicing military OD. I hope that each of you are able to fulfill your professional goals in whichever field you pursue.
 
I have always found JennyW's advice to be fantastic - it definitely helped me a lot when I applied for schools. Just like in American Idol, Simon is extremely straightforward, but America seems to always vote according to what he has to say. Paula Abdul can go off and say "you will always be a star" to every single contestant, but how does that help anybody besides boosting ego?

If optometry is definitely your career choice, make sure to contact all the schools that you want to apply to and ask if you will be a strong candidate. I did that with SCCO, SUNY, ICO, and PCO, and they all gave me excellent answers and advice. Now some of them might be extremely straightforward, but this way, you know exactly what you ought to do to become a great candidate.

I suggest you start looking for some kind of work in the eyecare field immediately (if you haven't found it already). Most schools will want an OD's letter of rec, and its always better if you have worked with them.

I hope that helps, just make sure you do what the schools tell you, and reapply again.

On a side note, one of the questions asked by SCCO was, "what would you do if you were not accepted by any optometry school?" So be prepared to answer that if you are applying there 🙂
 
gerido said:
You can be honest and be nice about it. JennyW is arrogant, egotistical, and condesending. For someone who has been a professional for 15 years and deals with patients on a regular basis, she sure knows how to communicate and sympathize. It doesn't take a Ph.D in psychiatry to figure out that her coming here is to validate her selfworth and stroke her own ego among a bunch of naive pre-opt students. Admittedly, the OP's stat is fairly low for admission, but the option of pursuing optometry school remains open if the OP does post-bac, master, or improved OAT scores. For someone who self-proclaimed to know everything there is to know about opt. admission, making such definite respond can shoot people down for something that is definately possible.

Gerido, I don't believe I've ever read a more ignorant reply on this SDN. Perhaps you best flip over to the ophthalmology forum and read the post after post put up there by JennyW defending optometry against multiple ophthalmology attacks. Read posts where the MDs rant on and on about how uneducated and ill-equiped optometrists are today. Read about how all optometry students are too dumb to get into medical schools. Then JennyW takes her valuable time (as with Dr Chudner or myself or any practicing OD) to come give advice to this forum and you say the above? If JennyW has said anything that never occured to them...they are in trouble. Reality is harsh, the truth hurts, and advice is nothing more than words from experience. Don't like the honest real truth JennyW tells you about; then use those words to motivate you and thank her for letting you know what you're up against. If BHG or Op knew what they were up against they wouldn't be here asking.
To Big-Headed-Girl,-- Dr JennyW and Dr Chudner have given you solid insider advice. Now Dr McGregor is going to give you the "Reality of 2005". I have been in practice over 20 years, I was adjunct faculty to two optometry schools training their students for over 13 years. This year my brother-in-law with a 3.4 BioChemistry degree from Univ. of Texas, and a 320 on his OAT applied to 3 optometry schools. He also had work experience with my office and one other OD. Two of the optometry schools have put him on a waiting list and he's waiting to hear from the third. BH-Girl, this is your competition in 2005. Yes, anything is possible with years of effort, but reality is much more harsh. Like it or not. Optometry has moved into a new realm in recent years, and just like our med school counter-parts, COMPETITION is the "killer-of-dreams"; not the presence or absence of cheerleaders. Whats more, during those years and years it will take you to recoup your scores, admission standards will continue to go up, as they have done for the last 25 years. So, at the risk of being called "mean and rude", the reality is that you have to beat my brother's 3.4 GPA, 320 OAT scores NOW just to get on the wait list. The advice you've been given is not personal, none of us could pick you out from a group of two people.....its reality, and a reality we didn't create to discourage you. Remember....you asked.

Always remember, Dr JennyW, Dr Chudner, Dr McGregor, and all the others here in practice have absolutely NOTHING to gain by posting and trying to help here. If you were more informed you'd know we spend much more time on other forums-fighting outside groups and radical ophthalmology trying to take your futures from you. Arrogant is to slap the hand that reaches to help.
 
Big-Headed Girl: Hope you haven't given up. It's so true...the competition is harsh...and you never know what can happen during the admissions process (whether some ppl get in by luck or chance). I just want to share with you my stats, since other people have posted some intimidating and honest numbers. Though others with higher stats may have been put on the waitlists and such this year...I have been accepted to NOVA (one of my top choices) for the upcoming fall. I am 25 yrs old and spent six years as an undergrad in the University of Texas at Austin. My B.A. is in psychology and I had an overall GPA of 2.6, OAT 320. I think what helped me the most was my overall work experience. I have been employed as an optometric technician for over five years now. I also sent in very personal recommendations from four optometrists with my application, and four more from my academic instructors. I hope you see that my numbers are not extremely competitive according to the standards listed previously by others, but by the grace of God and with serious determination...I will be entering optometry school this fall. Ya know, even though others might say chances are slim...don't let that discourage you from a dream. For me, optometry is not just a career, but rather a calling. I tried to convey that during my interview and my personal statement. If I had been rejected this year, I would have continued to apply as many times as it took to get in...and of course do anything I could to improve my chances. The suggestions for improvement listed by others are all great ideas..OAT scores do help offset GPAs a little-I think it helped me. If optometry is a passion for you as well, then continue to challenge yourself and rise above the statistics. Best Wishes....
 
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