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I don't think anyone is begrudging anyone of their wealth. I agree that spending $10k+ on a watch is a stupid use of money, but people are welcome to do as they please. However, interviews are essentially snap judgements, and you alienate your audience if you wear clothes, accessories, whatever that cost significant sums of money. People are saying that it's "impossible" to tell if this stuff is cheap vs. luxurious, however you're kidding yourself if you actually believe that. No, I'm not going to know if the maker is X or Y, however I can quite easily distinguish between $100-200 suits, $500-$1k or $2k suits, and others that are even more expensive. Same with watches. Part of why these things are enjoyable to have is that their quality is often readily noticeable. Again, I will know that you're wearing an expensive suit/watch/whatever even if I don't know the particular maker.
I would question why a college student (in the case of medical school interviews) or a medical student (in the case of residency interviews) is wearing what I identify to be a particularly nice suit/watch/whatever. Without any other information (e.g., knowing that you're a nontrad with a previous career, that you have no debt from undergrad/med school, etc.), I'm going to wonder why you thought that spending significant portions (or multiples) of the average person's salary on a suit, watch, whatever was necessary. I'm going to assume that you're sheltered, probably unable to relate to the average Joe on a fundamental level, and/or think that you think you're "special" and that you will probably be a pain to work with. These are of course unfair and indicate my own bias, and yet there it is.
You should be careful about flaunting (flaunting isn't limited to outright gloating about or otherwise pointing out something) luxury if only because others might judge you negatively because of it. It has nothing to do with your wealth or how you choose to spend your money. It has everything to do with questioning the values, motivations, etc. of someone that deliberately chose to make those choices. Sure, some people might be able to understand where you're coming from, but why risk alienting yourself in the minds of those who find spending that much money on fairly trivial things dubious at best and offensive at worst? Most people would find that kind of spending lavish, laughable, and entirely unnecessary.
Again, I really don't care one way or another, just trying to offer an alternate perspective.
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i'm glad to see that this thread is helping all the people with negative snap judgments face their own insecurities
anyone who views quality, expensive items as negative lacks the familiarity to correctly appraise quality, expensive items
it is interesting to note that people who like expensive items focus on the quality of the item itself, while people who hate expensive items focus on assigning negative connotations to the owner of expensive items
Don't forget your Mont Blanc pen and teeth whitening!
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Hah, exactly. Though Mont Blanc is far too low quality...
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i'm glad to see that this thread is helping all the people with negative snap judgments face their own insecurities
anyone who views quality, expensive items as negative lacks the familiarity to correctly appraise quality, expensive items
it is interesting to note that people who like expensive items focus on the quality of the item itself, while people who hate expensive items focus on assigning negative connotations to the owner of expensive items
I dont know what is is with the artificial people on SDN and their desire for fancy cars, houses, suits, watches, etc. Its quite sad that our generation of medical students cares about these sort of things
if I was the interviewer and noticed you were wearing something that costs thousands of dollars I would be completely turned off by you!
I like nice things..in fact, I love them. But you sir, are a tool. Can you not recognize your own hypocrisy? Just as there are narrow ended minds on one end of the spectrum (the one you're criticizing), you're just as bad on the other end.
But surely you acknowledge there are a ton of dbags out there driving fancy cars and wearing designer clothes who believe it buys them respect and status. It's wouldn't be wrong to judge them either.
Here's one example:
http://jalopnik.com/5931907/watch-a-ferrari-458-driver-run-over-a-new-york-cops-foot-and-get-his-ass-kicked?tag=asshats
http://jalopnik.com/5932561/acquaintance-confirms-the-ferrari-driver-stomped-by-cops-is-an-obnoxious-poser?tag=asshats
Don't forget your Mont Blanc pen and teeth whitening!
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I do coordinate my pens with my ties.
I read that as you coordinating your penis with your ties.
I also do this.
But surely you acknowledge there are a ton of dbags out there driving fancy cars and wearing designer clothes who believe it buys them respect and status. It's wouldn't be wrong to judge them either.
Here's one example:
http://jalopnik.com/5931907/watch-a-ferrari-458-driver-run-over-a-new-york-cops-foot-and-get-his-ass-kicked?tag=asshats
http://jalopnik.com/5932561/acquaintance-confirms-the-ferrari-driver-stomped-by-cops-is-an-obnoxious-poser?tag=asshats
MTM is the term you're looking for. Bespoke means a tailor will measure you and then cut a brand new suit regardless of any other silhouettes. MTM suits all follow the same silhouette, just sized to your body measurements. I don't know if Nordstrom's has a MTM section, but if you live near a Neiman Marcus they carry the top lines: Zegna, Isaia, HF, etc.Oh indeed. There are plenty of elitist pricks. lol, I think it's sad people can just simply categorize people on a single dimension. Call me naive, but I would have hoped that future physicians (or current attendings) would recognize the complexity of each individual and their decisions, as opposed to making rash generalizations.
However, I'm not surprised. How can anyone viewing this thread? It's essentially a form of transference. It's easier to quickly judge someone. It's unfortunate this is a fairly bad quality to have if you want to be a good physician. At least, that's how I feel.
Anyway... So I think I might try out a Z Zegna like this in a made to measure or bespoke (with a more fashionable cut...). Although, I'll have to check out those Ermenegildo Zegna suits in the actual boutique before making a decision. Interestingly, the off the rack suits in these pics show you exactly how an expensive suit looks mighty plain if it is poorly cut.
http://shop.nordstrom.com/s/z-zegna...egoryid=6002351&fashionColor=&resultback=6832
Thoughts?
MTM is the term you're looking for. Bespoke means a tailor will measure you and then cut a brand new suit regardless of any other silhouettes. MTM suits all follow the same silhouette, just sized to your body measurements. I don't know if Nordstrom's has a MTM section, but if you live near a Neiman Marcus they carry the top lines: Zegna, Isaia, HF, etc.
this thread is ridiculous.
So where's your arbitrary line? Something's too expensive if it isn't the bare minimum to get the job done? I hope you'll dress in burlap sacks, drive a 1990 Geo Metro, and donate all your earnings over $40,000 when you're attendings, otherwise you'll be awfully hypocritical.
It turns out, a lot of the things that are more expensive are nicer. I'm not in the market (nor do I have the means) for $2,000 suits or $5,000 watches, but I'll make a confession: I splurged on my backpack for medical school. I could've went with the $10 one from Walmart, but I got the Wenger or Victorinox one for something like $75. And you know what? It's nice. Sturdy, comfortable, and practical. I'm happy I spent the extra money, even if I didn't need to. It was 750% of the price for little added functionality, and I don't regret a cent of it.
So what's the difference here? They have the means to do this kind of thing on a grander scale. Why rag on a guy who drives a Porsche instead of an Aveo, or who has an Omega watch instead of Timex? They're not hurting anyone, and they're happy about what they got for their money.
Does this thread remind anyone else of the scenes in American Psycho where they're obsessing over business cards?
I have this in black ballistic nylon for interviews. Its a lot more functional than the graphite damier luggage I use more casually.
http://www.luggagepros.com/briggs-and-riley-baseline-22-carry-on-upright-garment-bag.shtml
I used to use this but like the versatility of the Briggs more.
http://www.luggagepros.com/tumi-alpha-wheeled-carry-on-garment-bag-1.shtml
Got this Briggs & Riley in the mail the other day and it is an incredible bag, so thank you for the suggestion. Amazing the difference in quality between the target bag I had been using the last couple years!
It's funny to me how everyone is all worked up about a $5k watch. I wonder how many posters on this thread realize they were just flashed a watch worth about $150k.
now come on... you honestly think something like that is appropriate on the wards? I don't care that he buys/invests/whatever in these things, but even wearing this out on the wards where it could easily be ruined or in a worse case scenario compromise patient care (gotta take it off before a code...). I could see wearing it at a party or on a date, but in a patient care setting...
in any case these watches are becoming more and more extravagant. At this point I honestly don't believe he owns them. I call trolling. And if not that then previously perpetually single with no kids.
Google image search of that picture pulls up a post by the same username on a place called styleforum.
now come on... you honestly think something like that is appropriate on the wards? I don't care that he buys/invests/whatever in these things, but even wearing this out on the wards where it could easily be ruined or in a worse case scenario compromise patient care (gotta take it off before a code...). I could see wearing it at a party or on a date, but in a patient care setting...
in any case these watches are becoming more and more extravagant. At this point I honestly don't believe he owns them. I call trolling. And if not that then previously perpetually single with no kids.
Google image search of that picture pulls up a post by the same username on a place called styleforum. There are hundreds and hundreds of pages dedicated to this kind of stuff, OP. Maybe you'd get less flack over there. Although ten minutes of browsing those threads has given me penis envy and gross feelings of inadequacy.
Drizzt3117, the watch I was referring to as being about $150k was the A Lange and Sohne Datograph perpetual. That is your watch, correct?
Anyone have a recommendation for a good watch <$500? I have no clue where to even start looking.
Would like something stylish but not metro, and definitely needs to be comfortable (and to a lesser extent readable) b
My first "real" watch was a Hamilton Jazzmaster Viewmatic, and now a decade later, I still wear it as much as my nicer watches. The chronograph version is also very nice. I personally like them a lot more than the Khaki, but the Khaki is probably the most popular offering from Hamilton.
Be sure to get some extra bands - half the fun of a watch, to me, is switching the band out. Get out of the clinic, switch a sober brown strap for a blue stingray, then go out.
http://www.amazon.com/Hamilton-H327...5&keywords=hamilton+jazzmaster+viewmatic+40mm
I bought a Jazzmaster Viewmatic about 3 months ago and absolutely love it.
Expensive things are nice to have and personally I don't care what a person does with his/her money. No argument with that. But his point is that wearing that type of clothing to a interview where the docs deciding who gets accepted could not afford those outfits is probably not the best idea. I agree with that. I don't think they'll sit there and be so morally superior as he suggests but I don't think it would be the appropriate setting for such a suit. Who are you bragging to? Why try to show that off? I think they'd look at the candidate as being slightly out of touch. Personally I don't think those kinds of suits are even appropriate for a patient care setting as most every patient you interact with could not afford such an outfit. That's not to say don't dress professional but being over the top is definitely bad. Patients will notice and it will decrease the level of interaction you could have with them. Now drizzt is going into radiology so he won't have this problem in the long run. But if a primary care doc (or even some specialist) walked in with a 5k watch, 2k suit, etc I would feel pretty intimidated and patients will notice such outfits. This is the kind of stuff interviewers think about.
This argument is not the same as whether to buy an expensive backpack as that isn't something seen as a status symbol like a super expensive watch or suit. I do agree that generalizations come in to play when I see stuff like that (didn't work for it, dad's money, spoiled, etc) regardless of how the person actually got that kind of wealth. I also find those people very hard to relate to. I'm upper middle class, in a lot of debt finishing med school, likely have to defer loans till after fellowship, etc. Most docs in academics are like that.
It is what it is. It may turn some people off. Others may not care. I just say why take the risk?
and just to add on the status symbol thing... I understand where drizzt get's his tastes since he was in finance before med school. What suit you wear, what watch you have on, etc is an important status symbol to how you relate to colleagues, do business with clients, etc (how can the boss be wearing a $200 suit while his assistant sports a $1k jacket?).
However, in medicine, and especially academics, the status symbol is totally different from what I can tell. It seems more along the lines of how smart you are, not how rich you are. So rich students/residents/whatever can continue to wear his/her $5k watches for all I care. I'm just wondering how many fellow residents do the same and what they think about their peers who sport such items on a regular basis, and especially at the hospital. Would also be curious to know how a medicine attending getting an academic salary feels about the new intern with a rolex. Just throwing the thought out there.
now come on... you honestly think something like that is appropriate on the wards? I don't care that he buys/invests/whatever in these things, but even wearing this out on the wards where it could easily be ruined or in a worse case scenario compromise patient care (gotta take it off before a code...). I could see wearing it at a party or on a date, but in a patient care setting...
in any case these watches are becoming more and more extravagant. At this point I honestly don't believe he owns them. I call trolling. And if not that then previously perpetually single with no kids.
well then I guess previously perpetually single with no kids.
No 26 year old deserves a $10,000 watch.
I dig my Seiko 007 and my JosABanks suit that I picked up for $100 (2 suits for $176 + tailoring costs). I wonder if anyone even comments on a $10,000 watch during an interview. I doubt anyone knows/looks at what you're wearing, and if they knew it was a $10,000 watch they would think you're a pretentious kid and rank you even lower than before. No 26 year old deserves a $10,000 watch.
I think this link on interview suits is solid advice. It doesn't have to break the bank but it should look sharp, conservative, well thought out and well put together. People can AND WILL judge you on your appearance, you do it everyday to everyone you see walking down the street. It's instantaneous, often subconscious and powerful. You can earn a lot of respect by dressing well and well doesn't have to break the bank.
Not even Mark Zuckerberg? Too many people making too many grand generalizations about wealth in this thread.