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What kind of residencies are offered to pharmD? Where can I get more info?

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what is residency? is that same as internship? =\
 
A residency is an optional set of clinical experiences that can be completed after the PharmD. People often choose residency as a way to get extensive training in a specialty they are interested in. An internship is work experience complted during pharmacy school, but generally does not refer to clinical rotations performed during the final year of study. The final year rotations are usually called a clerkship or an externship.

We need to start a FAQ for this section. I'm sure alot of people have the same basic questions. If anyone wants to contribute questions or answers, please talk to Heather or I. We'd be glad for any help anyone wants to give. :)
 
bananaface said:
A residency is an optional set of clinical experiences that can be completed after the PharmD. People often choose residency as a way to get extensive training in a specialty they are interested in. An internship is work experience complted during pharmacy school, but generally does not refer to clinical rotations performed during the final year of study. The final year rotations are usually called a clerkship or an externship.

We need to start a FAQ for this section. I'm sure alot of people have the same basic questions. If anyone wants to contribute questions or answers, please talk to Heather or I. We'd be glad for any help anyone wants to give. :)

So to become a Nuclear Pharmacist, u residency will be helpful for you? and how u become a nuclear pharmacist, what degree do u need? help me :(
 
WorcesterPHOBoy said:
So to become a Nuclear Pharmacist, u residency will be helpful for you? and how u become a nuclear pharmacist, what degree do u need? help me :(

to be a nuclear pharmacist not only you need basic pharm.d. degree also you need to pass nuclear specialty test given by board of pharmacy specialties. in order to sit for that exam you must have some nuclear pharmacy experience under supervision for couple years. (but i am not quite certain) but you do require BCNP (board certified nuclear pharmacist) title to practice independently.
 
What kind of grades are they looking for when applying for residency? I'm currently maintaining very average grades (~3.0-3.2). Would those grades make it a lot harder for me to gain a residency?
 
Oxycotin said:
What kind of grades are they looking for when applying for residency? I'm currently maintaining very average grades (~3.0-3.2). Would those grades make it a lot harder for me to gain a residency?

I had just attended and helped answer questions at a University of Utah COP Rho Chi sponsored postgraduate training info night. One of the speakers directs a specialty residency program at U of U, and so happens to be involved in ASHP's residency accreditation operations. He said that even this year, there will be an excess of PGY1 (pharmacy practice residency) positions vs. applicants. Many programs can and do remain unfilled after match, and even after the post match scramble. So to answer your question, yes...grades do count somewhat, especially if you want to do a more "prestigious" residency, but just because the residency program is affiliated w/ a prestigious hospital or academic institution does not make it best. Some of the best programs remain unfilled. The only way to find these out is to check them out at the residency showcase this December in ASHP in Vegas, and interview at these programs.

Bottom line...everyone who wants a residency will get one. The first question you'll have to ask is why do you want to do a residency. The next question you'll have to ask is where you want to go, and to a small but certain extent, your grades help determine this.
 
LVPharm said:
The only way to find these out is to check them out at the residency showcase this December in ASHP in Vegas, and interview at these programs.

Is it possible to attend this showcase without being currently enrolled in pharmacy school? I heard pharm students can attend for free (?), but what about pre-pharm students? Just curious about the logistics, thanks!
 
MrIntricate said:
Is it possible to attend this showcase without being currently enrolled in pharmacy school? I heard pharm students can attend for free (?), but what about pre-pharm students? Just curious about the logistics, thanks!

you will not get any benefit from attending this meeting as pre-pharm. First the registration cost will be rediculous. I have to pay $175 for the meeting at a member student rate. I dont even want to know what others have to pay. Plus hotel and airfare, yikes. Also Mid-year meetings are there to interview and seek out possible residencies that are far from your home location. I dont think it is impossible but I doubt you will have too much success getting what you wanted.
 
kwakster928 said:
you will not get any benefit from attending this meeting as pre-pharm. First the registration cost will be rediculous. I have to pay $175 for the meeting at a member student rate. I dont even want to know what others have to pay. Plus hotel and airfare, yikes. Also Mid-year meetings are there to interview and seek out possible residencies that are far from your home location. I dont think it is impossible but I doubt you will have too much success getting what you wanted.

Bummer, thanks for the info though. I actually plan on going to Vegas during December -- I'm about a 3 hour drive away, so I thought about going to this convention too. But if it's not feasible or helpful, then I guess I can scratch this off my list and spend time at the blackjack table instead... :smuggrin:
 
kwakster928 said:
Also Mid-year meetings are there to interview and seek out possible residencies that are far from your home location.

Actually, there is an event at midyear called "personnel placement service" that is for interviews for various jobs and specialty residencies/fellowships.

Most pharmacy practice residencies and some specialty residencies are represented at the "residency showcase", and the purpose of this event is to gather information on the various programs, and to ask pertinant questions and get your face out there before the various program directors. Frequently, this is where pharmacy students make their first impressions with these directors, and so it pays to be prepared before arriving at the showcase with good questions for the residents and directors.

It's highly recommended that students interested in pursuing residency attend this event during their last year, and I can say that I wouldn't be at the program I'm at if it weren't for midyear.

One bit of advice for all the students headed for the showcase next month in Vegas: don't bring your exhibit bag full of pens and crap into the showcase area. Bring it back to the hotel room before heading to the residency program booths. I've seen it last year, and not more than a few of the residency program directors and preceptors think this behavior is tacky. The only things you should have with you is a pen, a notebook portfolio, and nice, crisply printed curriculum vitaes. Oh, and dress professionally.
 
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ajmataz said:
What kind of residencies are offered to pharmD? Where can I get more info?

There is a publication, a soft cover book, that lists all possible residencies and fellowships found in the US. It lists, how long the residency is, the pay and lists a brief synopsis of what you will be doing in the residency. You should see if you can get your hands on it. If you ask some of your teachers, about that book, they will know what you are talking about. That book basically gives you contact info of residency directors, phone number to call, address and it gives what fields are available. Generally, you have to do a general residency before you do anything else. There are exceptions to this, but they are far and few in between. Once you do a general residency, you can specialize in just about anything. Like ID, IM, cardiology, critical care, surgery, oncology, BMT, transplant. There is a wide variety.
Good luck.
 
Oxycotin said:
What kind of grades are they looking for when applying for residency? I'm currently maintaining very average grades (~3.0-3.2). Would those grades make it a lot harder for me to gain a residency?

No unless you are trying to get into Mayo clinic or something.
 
WorcesterPHOBoy said:
what is residency? is that same as internship? =\

No, it's not the same. Internship is not optional, you have to do it. Some schools have it worked into the program, others, let you do it on your own. But bottom line you have to do certain number of hours before you are allowed to practice on your own. Residency is totally optional and you are by no means required to do it.
 
It seems like everyone in here is very knowleadgeable about the residency process and is providing a lot of good information. I'm currently thinking of doing a residency in a couple of years but am not absolutely set on it yet. I currently work in a retail setting but would like to consider working in an institutional setting in a clinical role. Is doing a residency an unwritten requirement for working as a clinical pharmacist? I hear people say that a residency equals 3-5 years of experience. How easy would it be to get a clinical position if you don't do a residency? Would I be at a disadvantage to someone who did a residency? I'm talking a few years down the road after working a few years and not right off the bat after graduation. I guess what i'm asking is are there training for those who don't do residencies or would it be prudent to do a residency? Thanks
 
Oxycotin said:
It seems like everyone in here is very knowleadgeable about the residency process and is providing a lot of good information. I'm currently thinking of doing a residency in a couple of years but am not absolutely set on it yet. I currently work in a retail setting but would like to consider working in an institutional setting in a clinical role. Is doing a residency an unwritten requirement for working as a clinical pharmacist? I hear people say that a residency equals 3-5 years of experience. How easy would it be to get a clinical position if you don't do a residency? Would I be at a disadvantage to someone who did a residency? I'm talking a few years down the road after working a few years and not right off the bat after graduation. I guess what i'm asking is are there training for those who don't do residencies or would it be prudent to do a residency? Thanks
its not an unwritten rule...
they have it in writing...
residency prefered
 
bbmuffin said:
its not an unwritten rule...
they have it in writing...
residency prefered


I understand and I do realize it's preferred but is it required? If I were to work for a few years would I be able to apply for those positions and be competitive with someone who did a residency or would a residency offer something that working wouldn't?
 
Oxycotin said:
I understand and I do realize it's preferred but is it required? If I were to work for a few years would I be able to apply for those positions and be competitive with someone who did a residency or would a residency offer something that working wouldn't?
Depends on where you work - if you are planning to do 3 years retail, then no, you won't have an advantage in getting a clinical psoition at an institution. But if you are a staff RPh at an institution, you could get promoted. Depends on the facility and who is hiring the position
 
Oxycotin said:
I understand and I do realize it's preferred but is it required? If I were to work for a few years would I be able to apply for those positions and be competitive with someone who did a residency or would a residency offer something that working wouldn't?

In a competitive place no. Actually in a competitive place you wouldn't even be considered unless you had a general + specialty residency. If they are extremely desperate, they might take you without residency, but that is very rare. Like I said even with a general residency you will have trouble finding a clinical specialist position. Thing is that there is so few of those positions. And when they do open up, usually you have 3-4 people with residencies interviewing for them, and they tend not to take applicants that are not qualified.
 
It is like that in much of Seattle. But you can still get your foot in the door at a high turnover facility without a residency. I can name a handful of places in the metro area that would take someone fresh out of school. They'd be stepping stone jobs, though.

The ease of getting a clinical job in my local area is increasing dramatically. Some of the hospitals which did not previously offer clinical services are just staring to. And the staff pharmacists are not always happy about being asked to change their job description. The conversion to clinical services has gone from the inner metro outwards. I'm on the outer edge.
 
OK. thanks for the info!
 
BCNP is board certified nutrition pharmacist...like BCPS(pharmacotherapy specialist), BCOP(oncology pharmacist); Nuclear pharmacy requires extra training, which can usually be provided by a company that owns nuclear pharmacies, ie. cardinal health, amersham nycomed


kwakster928 said:
to be a nuclear pharmacist not only you need basic pharm.d. degree also you need to pass nuclear specialty test given by board of pharmacy specialties. in order to sit for that exam you must have some nuclear pharmacy experience under supervision for couple years. (but i am not quite certain) but you do require BCNP (board certified nuclear pharmacist) title to practice independently.
 
RXknight2006 said:
BCNP is board certified nutrition pharmacist...like BCPS(pharmacotherapy specialist), BCOP(oncology pharmacist); Nuclear pharmacy requires extra training, which can usually be provided by a company that owns nuclear pharmacies, ie. cardinal health, amersham nycomed

BCNP is NOT nutrition. It is, in fact, nuclear. A board certified nutrition specialist pharmacist is abbreviated as BCNSP.
 
Few questions. One, are there any areas of pharmacy that a residency is required for (sorry if it was answered here, but I didn't see it)? Also, I'm not quite clear on what the benefits of a residency would be for areas of pharmacy for which a residency is not required? Would it just increase your chances of landing a job in that area? It just seems that working in that area right away (assuming you can land the job) and gaining experience would be much more beneficial.

And what exactly does a nuclear pharmacist do? It sounds interesting.
 
doubleup144 said:


There are lots of options for pharmacy residency programs. Pharmacy Residencies originally began in hospitals,but now occur in medical office clinics, managed care, commmunity care, long term care, etc. The previous responses show several good web location for you to see the variety of residency programs available to PharmD graduates. Best of luck! There are over 770 accredited pharmacy residency programs, offering over 1,500 positions. Recruiting season usually occurs from December - beginning of March for programs that start in July 2006.
 
ASHP1 said:
There are lots of options for pharmacy residency programs. Pharmacy Residencies originally began in hospitals,but now occur in medical office clinics, managed care, commmunity care, long term care, etc. The previous responses show several good web location for you to see the variety of residency programs available to PharmD graduates. Best of luck! There are over 770 accredited pharmacy residency programs, offering over 1,500 positions. Recruiting season usually occurs from December - beginning of March for programs that start in July 2006.

Seems like the board certification issue keeps coming up in context of residencies and/or nuclear pharmacy. Best place to go for comprehensive board certification issues is the board of pharmaceutics specialties (i.e. the BPS at www.bpsweb.org). As far as rationale to do residency training vs. not doing so would depend on career aspirations. The avg. nuclear pharmacist may not have residency training largely b/c as someone eluded to previously many companies/entities that employ nuclear pharmacist will typically pay to train you at a full time pharmacist level to obtain necessary training to be board certified. Reason being, there really aren't that many people going into nuclear pharmacy and its is certainly unique to rest of pharmacy so retention and appopriate training of individual is ideal.

As far as residency training is concerned; you can alway be the exception to the rule and gain the clinical position or high ranking position in a healthcare setting (probably in a medical center type setting (or maybe even government job w/ FDA)) w/o residency training. However, the residency training tends to increase one's likelihood for making that jump and having those career options available. Basically residency training is viewed by the employer now a days like to Pharm.D. was when you had a choice b/w Pharm.D. vs RPh. Perception is that Pharm.D typically has more career options (on the avg so exceptions will always be found). If you desire to go straight to community retail setting then residency may not be as applicable, but you may want to use other means to separate yourself from the crowd as every body has the Pharm.D. so other marketing tools may be advantageous (i.e. Pharm.D./MBA, just good people skills/hard working/business sense, connections, etc). APhA and National Community Pharmacist Association (NCPA) would be alternatives to look into if community practice/retail is your focus. Note that there are community pharmacy residencies out there but I'd take a close look at them to minimize the likelihood of being used for cheap labor (which is a concern w/ all residency programs, but more likely in the community setting as the "teaching" component may not be stressed as much or even that available depending on locale and support from pharmacy school if funding is employed).
 
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