Reverse WW - Game Thread

[Navilly]

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Acanth are you just giving up at this point?

 

[acanthuroidei]

Acanth are you just giving up at this point?

Yes! Lynch me! I am a lying (not seer) villager who needs to go! If you don't lynch me you lose the game. Killing grebes is possibly a strategic error by wolves, because otherwise I think grebes and I would have gone to endgame as two villagers and that would have been the end. Killing grebes outted grebes as village (mistake) and me as a liar (also mistake, because if I were a wolf I'm thinking it would have been to my benefit to maintain the lie and not out my "seered" wolf as a villager).

I am trying so hard here guys. It was pretty much game over after people thought I was wolfy and then I made the mistake of jumping on the SAR lynch, I'm just busting ass here trying to get myself lynched so y'all can figure out the actual wolf to bring to endgame.

 

[Navilly]

Yes! Lynch me! I am a lying (not seer) villager who needs to go! If you don't lynch me you lose the game. Killing grebes is possibly a strategic error by wolves, because otherwise I think grebes and I would have gone to endgame as two villagers and that would have been the end. Killing grebes outted grebes as village (mistake) and me as a liar (also mistake, because if I were a wolf I'm thinking it would have been to my benefit to maintain the lie and not out my "seered" wolf as a villager).

I am trying so hard here guys. It was pretty much game over after people thought I was wolfy and then I made the mistake of jumping on the SAR lynch, I'm just busting ass here trying to get myself lynched so y'all can figure out the actual wolf to bring to endgame.

Explain slowly why you think lying would get you anywhere.

 

[acanthuroidei]

Explain slowly why you think lying would get you anywhere.

FTF already did.

 

[acanthuroidei]

Explain slowly why you think lying would get you anywhere.

Seriously think about what you would have done in my shoes, my shoes being a villager who had replaced MJ's position as an "outted wolf."

 

[Navilly]

FTF already did.

That’s nice.

0% chance I would ever vote for you with responses like that. Then again, I can’t vote anyway, so who cares.

But FTF explaining for you why you would totally F up, is either a wolf move or a daft move, not sure which tbh.

 

[Navilly]

Seriously think about what you would have done in my shoes, my shoes being a villager who had replaced MJ's position as an "outted wolf."

Once again, explain slowly and fully.

 

[acanthuroidei]

A serenade to no one in particular was heard overnight. At first it appeared to be in another tongue, but after recording and and playing it backwards, these were the lyrics

"You don't know how much I need you
While you're near me I don't feel blue
And when we kiss I know you need me too
I can't believe I've found a love that's so pure and true

But it all was bull****!
It was a goddamn joke!
And when I think of you, Linda
I hope you ****ing choke!

I hope you're glad with what you've done to me
I lay in bed all day long feeling melancholy
You left me here all alone, tears running constantly

Oh somebody kill me please!
Somebody kill me please!
I'm on my knees, pretty pretty please!
Kill me!
I want to die!
Put a bullet in my hea-a-a-a-ad!"

"That was so beautiful..." whispered the killer, listening in. "I must take pity"

Dead is @grebes4lyfe John Sevier Austin, a vanillager

It is now Day 6.
​

Roster
0. @Dr. ForgotToFlush
4. @dolphin106258
6. @acanthuroidei
7. @Navilly
8. @cubsrule4e
11. @Barkley13
14. @allieh8607
19. @FrostySparrow

Living In Another Realm
17. Sporty - Reverse Uno Card
15. Coop - Xu Zhenjun
13. Pippy - Retro Walking
2. genny - Marty McFly
10. MsP - Benjamin Button
3. mpm - Backmasking
1. SAR - No U
9. miz - U-Turn
18. MJ - Reverse Psychology
16. dubz - Rewind Button, reverse factional kill
12. grebes - John Sevier Austin

Okay, I'm struggling here. Why would they night kill grebes of all villagers? This goes against their strategy of night killing strong village reads, and I would say other remaining players were higher village reads than grebes. I wonder if they're trying to keep villagers who can't vote?

 

[Navilly]

Can everyone realize also that cubs needs to be lynched and I need to be lynched or they bring us to endgame, and that’s game over. This NPC crap is just wonderful

 

[acanthuroidei]

Once again, explain slowly and fully.

I'm not going to do a literature review for you Mr. Lazypants. Scroll on back to the N4 results and you can read the primary literature from there.

 

[Navilly]

Okay, I'm struggling here. Why would they night kill grebes of all villagers? This goes against their strategy of night killing strong village reads, and I would say other remaining players were higher village reads than grebes. I wonder if they're trying to keep villagers who can vote?

Grebes was able to vote?

 

[acanthuroidei]

0% chance I would ever vote for you with responses like that. Then again, I can’t vote anyway, so who cares.

Yes, exactly, 0% you can ever vote for me because you can't vote. So maybe you can contribute some content and critical thinking here instead?

 

[allieh8607]

I hate the wolves for not killing me, I'm sorry but I'm pretty much done here. Have to work and then pack when I get home and my flight is early tomorrow AM. I guess I'll try and pop on when I can but once I'm on that plane I'm not WW'ing.

 

[acanthuroidei]

Okay, I'm struggling here. Why would they night kill grebes of all villagers? This goes against their strategy of night killing strong village reads, and I would say other remaining players were higher village reads than grebes. I wonder if they're trying to keep villagers who can't vote?

Based on this, maybe the remaining wolf (wolves) is (are) a person (people) who can vote?

 

[Navilly]

Yes, exactly, 0% you can ever vote for me because you can't vote. So maybe you can contribute some content and critical thinking here instead?

Unfortunately I can only engage with those that don’t have piss poor strategies of getting to endgame 😉

 

[acanthuroidei]

Grebes was able to vote?

I meant to say "can't," I edited it.

 

[allieh8607]

I should have stuck with my gut feelings about WZ from earlier. Thought it was sketchier than hell that she told us not to wolf hunt and wanted to squash those doing so. But as the game progressed I started feeling better about her. But then she wouldn't vote me and repeatedly said she thought I was village so that should have been a bigger red flag for me, sorry.

 

[acanthuroidei]

Unfortunately I can only engage with those that don’t have piss poor strategies of getting to endgame 😉

It's okay, I'd be upset if I got myself disenfranchised too.

 

[Navilly]

It's okay, I'd be upset if I got myself disenfranchised too.

Eh, better to be disenfranchised in one game, then disenfranchised as a strategist in all subsequent games

 

[acanthuroidei]

A serenade to no one in particular was heard overnight. At first it appeared to be in another tongue, but after recording and and playing it backwards, these were the lyrics

"You don't know how much I need you
While you're near me I don't feel blue
And when we kiss I know you need me too
I can't believe I've found a love that's so pure and true

But it all was bull****!
It was a goddamn joke!
And when I think of you, Linda
I hope you ****ing choke!

I hope you're glad with what you've done to me
I lay in bed all day long feeling melancholy
You left me here all alone, tears running constantly

Oh somebody kill me please!
Somebody kill me please!
I'm on my knees, pretty pretty please!
Kill me!
I want to die!
Put a bullet in my hea-a-a-a-ad!"

"That was so beautiful..." whispered the killer, listening in. "I must take pity"

Dead is @grebes4lyfe John Sevier Austin, a vanillager

It is now Day 6.
​

Roster
0. @Dr. ForgotToFlush
4. @dolphin106258
6. @acanthuroidei
7. @Navilly
8. @cubsrule4e
11. @Barkley13
14. @allieh8607
19. @FrostySparrow

Living In Another Realm
17. Sporty - Reverse Uno Card
15. Coop - Xu Zhenjun
13. Pippy - Retro Walking
2. genny - Marty McFly
10. MsP - Benjamin Button
3. mpm - Backmasking
1. SAR - No U
9. miz - U-Turn
18. MJ - Reverse Psychology
16. dubz - Rewind Button, reverse factional kill
12. grebes - John Sevier Austin

In all seriousness, if I was a wolf trying to ride the game out on a seer claim, why would I have made this move that outted me as a liar? This must be important to understand.

 

[Navilly]

In all seriousness, if I was a wolf trying to ride the game out on a seer claim, why would I have made this move that outted me as a liar? This must be important to understand.

For the exact weird claim you are going with now, since it was clear everyone took your side over grebes, so it was a genuine F up that you needed to do damage control on.

But let’s talk about the fact that allies must be a wolf! All people who need to leave on vacation are clearly wolves

 

[acanthuroidei]

Eh, better to be disenfranchised in one game, then disenfranchised as a strategist in all subsequent games

It's amazing how successful following the posted rules has been as a strategy this game. The villagers' whose "strategy" was to lose their votes made themselves liabilities for village and may well lose us the game.

 

[acanthuroidei]

But let’s talk about the fact that allies must be a wolf! All people who need to leave on vacation are clearly wolves

What's with all these people needing to leverage IRL activities to support their WW play? Do people ever runs games here where mentioning IRL activities is banned? Because they should.

 

[Navilly]

What's with all these people needing to leverage IRL activities to support their WW play? Do people ever runs games here where mentioning IRL activities is banned? Because they should.

Idk, I think we should talk about how every person can be a wolf currently! Hear, you start, I know you are itching to go!

 

[Barkley13]

Yes! Lynch me! I am a lying (not seer) villager who needs to go! If you don't lynch me you lose the game. Killing grebes is possibly a strategic error by wolves, because otherwise I think grebes and I would have gone to endgame as two villagers and that would have been the end. Killing grebes outted grebes as village (mistake) and me as a liar (also mistake, because if I were a wolf I'm thinking it would have been to my benefit to maintain the lie and not out my "seered" wolf as a villager).

I am trying so hard here guys. It was pretty much game over after people thought I was wolfy and then I made the mistake of jumping on the SAR lynch, I'm just busting ass here trying to get myself lynched so y'all can figure out the actual wolf to bring to endgame.

Funny because I think if we do lynch you it would end the game but with a wolf win

FTF already did.

Can you explain in your own words please?

Seriously think about what you would have done in my shoes, my shoes being a villager who had replaced MJ's position as an "outted wolf."

Probably wouldn’t have pretended to be a seer and claimed to have found a wolf when that person was really a villager. What was the goal with claiming grebes was a wolf anyway?

 

[Barkley13]

Lynch cubs

Seems like the best plan rn

 

[Navilly]

Lynch cubs

Seems like the best plan rn

Nope, must be a wolf, did a logical move, any logical move makes someone a wolf!

 

[Barkley13]

Nope, must be a wolf, did a logical move, any logical move makes someone a wolf!

Oh no you caught me!!

 

[Animal Midwife]

Official Day 6 Stuck Cup Lynch Tally
cubs (1) - Barks

1/6
lynch close in ~33.5 hours

 

[Navilly]

Oh no you caught me!!

Admitting it is the first step

 

[Dr. ForgotToFlush]

and we're back

Really? I was thinking if I seered a wolf, and then village lynched me, village knows the wolf and it's over. Well now I'm worried I haven't really understood this role. Can you explain why it doesn't apply?

bc if there's one wolf left then you can't lynch anybody to prove something without throwing the whole damn game

 

[Dr. ForgotToFlush]

Okay, I'm struggling here. Why would they night kill grebes of all villagers? This goes against their strategy of night killing strong village reads, and I would say other remaining players were higher village reads than grebes. I wonder if they're trying to keep villagers who can't vote?

already mentioned that having two players who cant vote in a lylo esque situation means an auto win for wolves

 

[deleted867257]

Trying to finish rereading the thread, I can't remember whose alive vs whose dead at this point. Still will be avoiding cubs and acan lynches. Why are you so pro cub lynch @Navilly . I must've missed/forgotten why that seems like an obvious lynch choice to you. @Barkley13 what makes lynching cubs the best plan?
4 wolves down, with 1-2 left I'm thinking more cautiously for 2 wolves with this many players left, one could push a vote for another easily here.
Lynch FTF still my most confident village read rn. I could go for an FTF or dolphin lynch rn probably.

Let’s do, ******lynch wildzoo******

Feels like an interesting movie at this time.

What made this an interesting move? I didn't find anyone questioning it, so I thought I'd ask now that dubz flipped village.

Incidentally I kind of want to try to analyze this post, but
1) I'm too tired right now and
2) It is almost akin to an outted wolf post, since she knew she was about to be lynched

It's still tempting though, so if I get bored tomorrow I may attempt it lol
For now just color coding the "reads" she provided

MsP - flipped village
cubs
miz - flipped village
barks
nav
grebes - flipped village
roid
MJ - flipped ww

Not mentioned: Dubz, dolphin, allie, FTF, frosty, SAR, mpm, genny

Not sure how useful this could be since it was an outted wolf post. But just thought it'd be interesting to share how those reads ended up flipping (edited to include that info).

 

[Navilly]

Trying to finish rereading the thread, I can't remember whose alive vs whose dead at this point. Still will be avoiding cubs and acan lynches. Why are you so pro cub lynch @Navilly . I must've missed/forgotten why that seems like an obvious lynch choice to you. @Barkley13 what makes lynching cubs the best plan?
4 wolves down, with 1-2 left I'm thinking more cautiously for 2 wolves with this many players left, one could push a vote for another easily here.
Lynch FTF still my most confident village read rn. I could go for an FTF or dolphin lynch rn probably.



What made this an interesting move? I didn't find anyone questioning it, so I thought I'd ask now that dubz flipped village.



Not sure how useful this could be since it was an outted wolf post. But just thought it'd be interesting to share how those reads ended up flipping (edited to include that info).

Cubs cannot vote. I cannot vote. If we are both brought to endgame, it’s game over.

 

[Barkley13]

. @Barkley13 what makes lynching cubs the best plan?

I think he’s a villager and it makes sense to get rid of villagers who can’t vote

 

[deleted867257]

1 in: MJ
Take to endgame

1 minimum in:
frosty
dolphin
cubs
allieh
Keep alive as long as possible

SO 1 likely in:
SARdoghandler
acanthuroidei
Navilly
mizchiefmanaged
Barkley13
grebes4lyfe
WildZoo

im trying to math it rn but i think you can literally lynch all 4 in the second group and win
depends on how many wolves are actually in that group
but let's say 1

13 alive and after 4 lynches that takes you to
5 alive with two wolves alive
so this is the exact opposite of how i thought it would go and is completely non-ideal since there's probs a chance of more than 1?
maybe
so just ignore that completely

so the job for tonight is to
read all posts between those 4 in the second group as well as all of pippy's & mj's posts
and then see who can be aligned with each other
not find wolves, but rule out possible w/w worlds
because if you have a b c and e
and a cant be wolves with b c and e because of whatever spewy interactions you dig up
then either a is a wolf
or it's some combination of b c and e
meaning a maximum of 3 wolves

now returning to thing i said to ignore
if you have a maximum of 3 wolves and you flip 1
then youve either flipped someone you ruled out in worlds with everyone else
OR you flipped someone in the group of 3 and you cleared the one you ruled out instead
which means that looking into these associations among the pippy wagon
provides what's basically a safety net

now ahem
Ordinarily I'd do this myself and read all those posts since it's only 6 isos
but i dont like this site's iso feature :x
SO DOES ANYONE WANNA VOLUNTEER TO DO IT FOR ME so i dont have to

so with that
you do this world building thing, and then you decide who is more village than who
where the actual mafia reads come into play
seeing that they most likely will since i cant rig a group nor can i guarantee only 1 wolf (people were voting pippy for ****all)

so yes
group 2 needs to be sorted per associations and then tone
maybe you find 2 villagers in that group, maybe you find 1
BUT YOU DONT PRESS YOUR LUCK
you put all the focus into the third group since if there's 2 wolves in the pippy voters, the last group has to be all town, or mj is town
you decide which is more likely

How do you feel about this math now? The 1 likely in- having at least 2 wws. Are you still confident that the 1 minimum has at least 1 ww?

Cubs cannot vote. I cannot vote. If we are both brought to endgame, it’s game over.

Just got that from FTF's most recent posts above. Thanks for the clarification!
If we go off of who can't vote.. I'm still not sold on cubs. I'd rather lynch nav over cubs rn.
How does everyone else feel about a cubs vote?

 

[allieh8607]

Between Nav and Cubs I feel better about Nav.

lynch Nav

 

[JustPaws]

Official Day 6 Stuck Cup Lynch Tally
cubs (1) - Barks
FTF (1) - Frosty
Nav (1) - allieh

3/6
lynch close in ~31 hours

 

[Dr. ForgotToFlush]

How do you feel about this math now? The 1 likely in- having at least 2 wws. Are you still confident that the 1 minimum has at least 1 ww?

well i did that assuming there were 3 wolves left
now it's likely that there's 4
so the whole thing needs to be reworked

 

[Dr. ForgotToFlush]

Wow! I'm so glad that we can trust whatever you say and immediately believe you are a vanillager!

.-.

 

[Dr. ForgotToFlush]

I really don't care, you're going to end up on my list of people with intolerably bad logic on my ignore list at this rate, which is really making playing WW interesting

.-.

 

[Dr. ForgotToFlush]

two wolves just shading the **** out of nav
i think that's a bad look for him

 

[dolphin106258]

Official Day 6 Stuck Cup Lynch Tally
cubs (1) - Barks
FTF (1) - Frosty
Nav (1) - allieh

3/6
lynch close in ~31 hours

I’m at the point where we’re gonna sit here until the 31st hour before I vote again. I ain’t playing so a wolf can hammer themselves again.

 

[dolphin106258]

Between Nav and Cubs I feel better about Nav.

lynch Nav

Why tho? Nav was much angrier about not being able to vote than cubs? If one of the two was a wolf how is it cubs? Who’s basically peaced out of the game at this point.

 

[Barkley13]

I’m at the point where we’re gonna sit here until the 31st hour before I vote again. I ain’t playing so a wolf can hammer themselves again.

Do you know who you're planning on voting for though?

 

[dolphin106258]

Trying to finish rereading the thread, I can't remember whose alive vs whose dead at this point. Still will be avoiding cubs and acan lynches. Why are you so pro cub lynch @Navilly . I must've missed/forgotten why that seems like an obvious lynch choice to you. @Barkley13 what makes lynching cubs the best plan?
4 wolves down, with 1-2 left I'm thinking more cautiously for 2 wolves with this many players left, one could push a vote for another easily here.
Lynch FTF still my most confident village read rn. I could go for an FTF or dolphin lynch rn probably.



What made this an interesting move? I didn't find anyone questioning it, so I thought I'd ask now that dubz flipped village.



Not sure how useful this could be since it was an outted wolf post. But just thought it'd be interesting to share how those reads ended up flipping (edited to include that info).

Also yes pls. I am over being alive.

 

[dolphin106258]

Do you know who you're planning on voting for though?

No. I agree it should be a non voter, that’s where I was last cycle before everything changed with all the votes. So I still feel that way, just trying to decide who, and with a smaller window to majority not trying to just carelessly vote and leave.

 

[dolphin106258]

Do you know who you're planning on voting for though?

Also like gut feels I’d pick cubs

 

[Dr. ForgotToFlush]

i guess the thought here for village!nav world is
dubz and pippy weren't level 2 enough to see in advance that you shade wolves, not villagers as wolves
because you want to false clear people
i have no ****ing clue how plausible that is though

 

[Dr. ForgotToFlush]

i guess the thought here for village!nav world is
dubz and pippy weren't level 2 enough to see in advance that you shade wolves, not villagers as wolves
because you want to false clear people
i have no ****ing clue how plausible that is though

dubz and mj**