jollypop38
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Hello SDNers,
This forum gave me so much in helping me with my premed career in preparation for MCAT and Pre-Med journey (I wish I had taken some of the posts more seriously so I wouldn't have been in this situation) and I wanted to give back so that no one else would have to face what I did. This past fall, I had decided to enroll in the Rosalind Franklin BMS (Biomedical Sciences) Program that claimed to have a linkage to RFUMS Chicago Medical School (CMS). After applying for the program, I got an immediate acceptance within a week and I had spent about a month to decide whether or not I should go for this program. I have done so much research about the program before deciding to enroll. While I read many many negative things about the program and CMS in general, I had focused more on the information that was positive which was a grave mistake. The truth is a lot of the positive information about the program and linkage is now outdated due to the changes with the CMS and BMS program this past year and I did not know that. I'm taking time to write this so that future Pre-Meds who were in my shoes don't fall for the same mistakes. This is not a rant but just a real experience I want to share. Even before starting BMS, I always got a very sketchy vibe from everything. I had a "BMS counselor" who called and tried to sell this program and beg me to submit my deposit multiple times. The counselor also gave me some "advice" about applications but a lot of the information was either unhelpful or just false and it was clear they had no idea what they were talking about. I wish I had caught this early on and noticed the red flags. The first thing the program director said to us at orientation was "I know all you have been unsuccessful and/or don't have the capabilities to get into medical school and are here because this program is your only hope of ever becoming a doctor.." and it felt like such a negative way to start off the program and it sounded like he was just showing pity on us. Here are reasons complied by several students in the program during this current school year about why this program is a failure and potentially a scam for your money:
- LINKAGE ISSUES (**MAIN PROBLEM**): When you come into the program, they tell you: your past scores and GPA don't matter and everything is now based on your BMS grades and everyone in the program is guaranteed an interview. They say if you had As and Bs and have a decent interview, you will get into CMS. Maybe in the past the linkage had been strong but there were some pivotal changes with CMS and BMS that may have had a large role in the linkage. Prior to 2018, BMS students took classes along side of CMS medical students and took the same exams with their curve. Now with a change in the CMS curriculum, BMS students no longer take classes with CMS students and you only are in class with other BMS students. This may have changed how CMS sees this program since in the past BMS students were directly compared with the CMS students curve for the grades, which is what vouched for BMS students to be able to get into CMS. But now they don't have that comparison, so the linkage this past year has been so low and nothing like what most people from past years claim on SDN. I personally know people who had all As in the program (which is quite difficult to make) and had killer interviews but still did not get in. They had spoken to the program director (please read below about staff/faculty) and CMS admissions and they were not given any reason for their rejection even after having everything perfectly aligned. They just said "not everyone gets in" and brushed it off. There were also people who had barely made the grades and had sub par interview but got a conditional acceptances so this linkage has no meaning or value anymore at all. Its all purely random. There is also a new dean for CMS who is not fond of this BMS linkage program and this might have played a role in the failed linkage.
- HIGH COST: This program itself has a $50k+ tuition rate with an add of $20k+ for program costs, housings and other misc costs. Definitely not worth dropping this much money just for a random linkage that has more odds of not even working out. Don't be fooled that this school is located in Chicago like its name, thats a scam. This school is located in the middle of nowhere and 40+ miles away from the Chicago city. It's actually closer to Wisconsin than Chicago. The area of school is located in a small, remote town with nothing to do (lyft and uber don't even come here) but housing at the school is so high. A degree from RFU has no weight for future career options so the price tag is not worth it and you're essentially just paying $70k+ just for a guaranteed interview for a linkage that is not even real anymore.
- VERY DISORGANIZED: from classes to exams grading to interviews, this program is very disorganized from the start and it made the whole process so hard for everyone. there were so many times we felt that our time was being wasted due to how disorganized this program was.
- WORST FACULTY AND STAFF: The program director is one of the biggest scam artists and tries to sell this sub par program for all the wrong reasons. He is extremely rude and arrogant and plays favorites. The other staff are just there and do not care about you or your application. They don't know what they are doing and often give out false info that may hurt you (some people had missed deadlines due to this and hurt their other applications).
- RFU/CMS REPUTATION: CMS is an unranked medical school and not very well known in the Chicago community as is it known to be the "worst" or "low tier" medical schools. With the new USMLE Step 1 score being pass or fail for all students, this means that where you go to Med school and its ranking/reputation matters a lot. This is really bad news for CMS because of CMS reputation/ranking and now the school will have similar chances as low tier DO and Caribbean MD schools. Also, there is no home hospital for CMS for students to do rotations or research so this is a major disadvantage for residency connections. A BMS masters degree from RFU does not carry any weight in future medical school admissions or for your future career so the high-priced degree is just a waste of money.
- HIGH RISK: this program is not easy at all and it is very easy to not be able to get the grades because of how some exams have such little number of questions. Many students have gotten screwed over due to the way this program is graded. PM us directly regarding the risks of the program and some scandals with cheating and unfair grading going on.
- PROGRAM ONLY CARES ABOUT YOUR MONEY AND MAY BE A SCAM: I had a few friends who had left the program due to health and financial issues but had already paid tuition for future classes that they had not even started. The program director refused to allow for a refund regardless of the struggles of the students and their situation even when the students DID NOT even start the classes but had to pay full tuition for them even with their problem. The whole linkage program is now scam because it just seems random and the overall numbers for the linkage was very low even with meeting all the requirements and going beyond. They only care about your money and try to grab it early on.
With all this, I wish I had known about all this before I had applied and I want to warn those who are currently looking into this program because it is the worst. Please don't hesitate to contact me or anyone else in the BMS class this year before your make any decisions on this program and waste your money.
PS: I just wanted to clarify that I have been conditionally accepted and did not make this post as a negative comment from being rejected. As you could see in my post, there is nothing about the grades being the reason why this program is going in a negative direction but all the other factors that had shaped the program. I just wanted to share my experience along with the experience of other students in the program who had contributed to my post. These were my thoughts from before and after being accepted. I felt that everyone should know about the changes and reality of the school so I had made this post. It was not intended otherwise.
This forum gave me so much in helping me with my premed career in preparation for MCAT and Pre-Med journey (I wish I had taken some of the posts more seriously so I wouldn't have been in this situation) and I wanted to give back so that no one else would have to face what I did. This past fall, I had decided to enroll in the Rosalind Franklin BMS (Biomedical Sciences) Program that claimed to have a linkage to RFUMS Chicago Medical School (CMS). After applying for the program, I got an immediate acceptance within a week and I had spent about a month to decide whether or not I should go for this program. I have done so much research about the program before deciding to enroll. While I read many many negative things about the program and CMS in general, I had focused more on the information that was positive which was a grave mistake. The truth is a lot of the positive information about the program and linkage is now outdated due to the changes with the CMS and BMS program this past year and I did not know that. I'm taking time to write this so that future Pre-Meds who were in my shoes don't fall for the same mistakes. This is not a rant but just a real experience I want to share. Even before starting BMS, I always got a very sketchy vibe from everything. I had a "BMS counselor" who called and tried to sell this program and beg me to submit my deposit multiple times. The counselor also gave me some "advice" about applications but a lot of the information was either unhelpful or just false and it was clear they had no idea what they were talking about. I wish I had caught this early on and noticed the red flags. The first thing the program director said to us at orientation was "I know all you have been unsuccessful and/or don't have the capabilities to get into medical school and are here because this program is your only hope of ever becoming a doctor.." and it felt like such a negative way to start off the program and it sounded like he was just showing pity on us. Here are reasons complied by several students in the program during this current school year about why this program is a failure and potentially a scam for your money:
- LINKAGE ISSUES (**MAIN PROBLEM**): When you come into the program, they tell you: your past scores and GPA don't matter and everything is now based on your BMS grades and everyone in the program is guaranteed an interview. They say if you had As and Bs and have a decent interview, you will get into CMS. Maybe in the past the linkage had been strong but there were some pivotal changes with CMS and BMS that may have had a large role in the linkage. Prior to 2018, BMS students took classes along side of CMS medical students and took the same exams with their curve. Now with a change in the CMS curriculum, BMS students no longer take classes with CMS students and you only are in class with other BMS students. This may have changed how CMS sees this program since in the past BMS students were directly compared with the CMS students curve for the grades, which is what vouched for BMS students to be able to get into CMS. But now they don't have that comparison, so the linkage this past year has been so low and nothing like what most people from past years claim on SDN. I personally know people who had all As in the program (which is quite difficult to make) and had killer interviews but still did not get in. They had spoken to the program director (please read below about staff/faculty) and CMS admissions and they were not given any reason for their rejection even after having everything perfectly aligned. They just said "not everyone gets in" and brushed it off. There were also people who had barely made the grades and had sub par interview but got a conditional acceptances so this linkage has no meaning or value anymore at all. Its all purely random. There is also a new dean for CMS who is not fond of this BMS linkage program and this might have played a role in the failed linkage.
- HIGH COST: This program itself has a $50k+ tuition rate with an add of $20k+ for program costs, housings and other misc costs. Definitely not worth dropping this much money just for a random linkage that has more odds of not even working out. Don't be fooled that this school is located in Chicago like its name, thats a scam. This school is located in the middle of nowhere and 40+ miles away from the Chicago city. It's actually closer to Wisconsin than Chicago. The area of school is located in a small, remote town with nothing to do (lyft and uber don't even come here) but housing at the school is so high. A degree from RFU has no weight for future career options so the price tag is not worth it and you're essentially just paying $70k+ just for a guaranteed interview for a linkage that is not even real anymore.
- VERY DISORGANIZED: from classes to exams grading to interviews, this program is very disorganized from the start and it made the whole process so hard for everyone. there were so many times we felt that our time was being wasted due to how disorganized this program was.
- WORST FACULTY AND STAFF: The program director is one of the biggest scam artists and tries to sell this sub par program for all the wrong reasons. He is extremely rude and arrogant and plays favorites. The other staff are just there and do not care about you or your application. They don't know what they are doing and often give out false info that may hurt you (some people had missed deadlines due to this and hurt their other applications).
- RFU/CMS REPUTATION: CMS is an unranked medical school and not very well known in the Chicago community as is it known to be the "worst" or "low tier" medical schools. With the new USMLE Step 1 score being pass or fail for all students, this means that where you go to Med school and its ranking/reputation matters a lot. This is really bad news for CMS because of CMS reputation/ranking and now the school will have similar chances as low tier DO and Caribbean MD schools. Also, there is no home hospital for CMS for students to do rotations or research so this is a major disadvantage for residency connections. A BMS masters degree from RFU does not carry any weight in future medical school admissions or for your future career so the high-priced degree is just a waste of money.
- HIGH RISK: this program is not easy at all and it is very easy to not be able to get the grades because of how some exams have such little number of questions. Many students have gotten screwed over due to the way this program is graded. PM us directly regarding the risks of the program and some scandals with cheating and unfair grading going on.
- PROGRAM ONLY CARES ABOUT YOUR MONEY AND MAY BE A SCAM: I had a few friends who had left the program due to health and financial issues but had already paid tuition for future classes that they had not even started. The program director refused to allow for a refund regardless of the struggles of the students and their situation even when the students DID NOT even start the classes but had to pay full tuition for them even with their problem. The whole linkage program is now scam because it just seems random and the overall numbers for the linkage was very low even with meeting all the requirements and going beyond. They only care about your money and try to grab it early on.
With all this, I wish I had known about all this before I had applied and I want to warn those who are currently looking into this program because it is the worst. Please don't hesitate to contact me or anyone else in the BMS class this year before your make any decisions on this program and waste your money.
PS: I just wanted to clarify that I have been conditionally accepted and did not make this post as a negative comment from being rejected. As you could see in my post, there is nothing about the grades being the reason why this program is going in a negative direction but all the other factors that had shaped the program. I just wanted to share my experience along with the experience of other students in the program who had contributed to my post. These were my thoughts from before and after being accepted. I felt that everyone should know about the changes and reality of the school so I had made this post. It was not intended otherwise.
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