Ross University will now be in Tennessee at the LMU campus starting JAN. Thoughts?

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When I began as an undergrad at OSU it seemed to be ingrained in me already that Caribbean med schools were horrible to go to and only bad students went there. I do not know where this sentiment came from. After trying to get into US med schools for two years in a row with a 512 on the MCAT and a poor GPA, my physician, whom I greatly admire, informed me that he graduated from Ross and that I should consider attending. It was hard to compromise my pride, but I finally did some research, and it seemed that most of my fears were unfounded. Although there are some students who will not make it to residency, I realized my decision should not be based on them. My success depends on no one else but me. No one is going to hold my hand or make sure I don't fail and that is OK. I am not being duped. If I was a coward I wouldn't pursue Medicine. I am glad I am no longer one of the people who have an unfounded distaste for ALL Caribbean med schools. Yes I realize that there are some informed individuals that do not like them and that is OK, but I urge you to treat your future coworkers with respect no matter where they graduated from. They will have heard it all anyway, and they probably have some pretty tough skin.

Again, most of the animosity here is toward the schools, which prey on students they know have a good shot at failing.

And it isn’t just “some students” who won’t make it to residency. It’s the majority.
 
Why does it matter if the first 2 years of your school are basically a Step 1 prep course? Isn't that what makes or breaks a candidate during the residency process?

I just find it hard to believe that a PD would say ,"Oh his school focused heavily on the USMLE Step 1, so we're going to hold that against him."

Step scores are one element that residency programs use to select candidates for interviews. The factors that contribute to your place on the post-interview rank list are somewhat different.

The issue here isn't that Caribbean schools focus heavily on USMLE prep. The issue is that they do it at the expense of everything else. The reason for this is fairly simple: their graduates aren't going to stand out by virtue of their school's reputation, clinical skills training, or research. They only thing they do to help their graduates in the match is maximize their step scores. So they do.

To quote the now-infamous Million $ Mistake, "It shouldn’t be a surprise then when my school boasts a first time pass rate on the USMLE of 95-98%. Anything save for a drunken monkey would be able to passively regurgitate what’s needed to pass the boards."
 
It shouldn’t be a surprise then when my school boasts a first time pass rate on the USMLE of 95-98%. Anything save for a drunken monkey would be able to passively regurgitate what’s needed to pass the boards.

It also helps that they don’t let you take step if they don’t think you’ll pass.
 
So what I’m trying to understand is do the words I’m reading from the same text books and the lectures I receive from prior US medical professors some how mean something different now that I’m on forgin soil?

Allopathic medical schools in the US have to obtain and keep LCME accreditation. Part of this involves proving that they possess enough faculty, infrastructure, and resources to deliver a high quality education. They need curricula that promote the development of clinical reasoning and self-directed learning. They need to provide adequate opportunities for clinical education. They need to provide avenues for students to pursue scholarship. They need to provide enough exposure and support to allow graduates to match into any medical specialty.

So no, it's not exactly the same when you're being taught by professors who fly in to deliver canned lectures in between sips of Presidente.
 
Allopathic medical schools in the US have to obtain and keep LCME accreditation. Part of this involves proving that they possess enough faculty, infrastructure, and resources to deliver a high quality education. They need curricula that promote the development of clinical reasoning and self-directed learning. They need to provide adequate opportunities for clinical education. They need to provide avenues for students to pursue scholarship. They need to provide enough exposure and support to allow graduates to match into any medical specialty.

So no, it's not exactly the same when you're being taught by professors who fly in to deliver canned lectures in between sips of Presidente.

I Won't get sucked back in but I will just quote you in reference to just about everything you just said "Uh, no."
Check your facts about what is taught and how.
Thanks again for the opportunity to discuss these topics.
 
I Won't get sucked back in but I will just quote you in reference to just about everything you just said "Uh, no."
Check your facts about what is taught and how.
Thanks again for the opportunity to discuss these topics.

Uh, I’m pretty sure that as a faculty physician at a US med school, Med Ed knows more about Medical education than you.
 
Again, most of the animosity here is toward the schools, which prey on students they know have a good shot at failing.

And it isn’t just “some students” who won’t make it to residency. It’s the majority.
Again, most of the animosity here is toward the schools, which prey on students they know have a good shot at failing.

And it isn’t just “some students” who won’t make it to residency. It’s the majority.
my question to you is why does it make sense to be mad at a school for offering an opportunity to someone. It's not the schools fault the student didn't take a hard look at them selves. This is the same mentality as being mad at soft drink companies for peoples obesity. All the soft drink company did was provide a product that lots of people want. You can have a bad outcome of you don't evaluate yourself everynow and again to determine if you are drinking too much but it's not the advertisers or the companies fault for trying to sell a product.
 
my question to you is why does it make sense to be mad at a school for offering an opportunity to someone. It's not the schools fault the student didn't take a hard look at them selves. This is the same mentality as being mad at soft drink companies for peoples obesity. All the soft drink company did was provide a product that lots of people want. You can have a bad outcome of you don't evaluate yourself everynow and again to determine if you are drinking too much but it's not the advertisers or the companies fault for trying to sell a product.

They aren’t offering an opportunity. If students go there and succeed, it is despite the school, not because of it. They purposely admit far more students than they can support in years three and four, banking on many of them to fail out. They are preying on students they know will not make it to clinical years in order to get their money. No med school in the US does that. For the Carib schools, it’s about the money 100%.
 
Uh, I’m pretty sure that as a faculty physician at a US med school, Med Ed knows more about Medical education than you.

I am confident that he does. But to tell me that the education that I am currently undertaking is different than it is something that is simply wrong. I am fully aware of my day to day activities. I doubt they he is aware of my day to day educational experience because what he is claiming is on the whole untrue about what is happening here.
 
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They aren’t offering an opportunity. If students go there and succeed, it is despite the school, not because of it. They purposely admit far more students than they can support in years three and four, banking on many of them to fail out. They are preying on students they know will not make it to clinical years in order to get their money. No med school in the US does that. For the Carib schools, it’s about the money 100%.

You cant call someone prey because they didn't take full stock of their capibilities. If that were true every business that benifits from someone is a predator. And I'm sorry I don't follow your beliefs but if I fail here it's not because the school took my money it's because I didn't succeed. I'm sorry but I whole heartedly disagree that just because someone fails its the schools advertising campegine that is some how to blame.
 
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No matter where students are physically doing their education, they will earn degrees under this and will be considered IMGs no matter what. It will not change their status for medical residency.


Unfortunately, many students and families won't really grasp any of this. Many will just think that since they're being educated in the US then they'll be a US-trained MD. Most premeds and their families barely understand the med school app process. An even smaller number understand the residency matching process, and furthermore, how IMGs are at a serious disadvantage.

And, I'm betting that Ross is counting on such confusion.
 
I am confident that he does. But to tell me that the education that I am currently undertaking is different than it is something that is simply wrong. I am fully aware of my day to day activities. I doubt they he is aware of my day to day educational experience because what he is claiming is on the whole untrue about what is happening here.

If US med schools had the attrition rates that Carib schools have, they'd be shut down by thier accreditors and then sued by students. They engage in education malpractice...that's why we have such distaste for them. Cue the cognitive dissonance.

BTW, quoting the wise gyngyn:

The pool of US applicants from the Caribbean is viewed differently by Program Directors. The DDx for a Caribbean grad is pretty off-putting: bad judgment, bad advice, egotism, gullibility, overbearing parents, inability to delay gratification, IA's, legal problems, weak research skills, high risk behavior. This is not to say that all of them still have the quality that drew them into this situation. There is just no way to know which ones they are. Some PD's are in a position where they need to, or can afford to take risks too! So, some do get interviews.

Bad grades and scores are the least of the deficits from a PD's standpoint. A strong academic showing in a Caribbean medical school does not erase this stigma. It fact it increases the perception that the reason for the choice was on the above-mentioned list!

Just about everyone from a Caribbean school has one or more of these problems and PDs know it. That's why their grads are the last choice even with a high Step 1 score.

There was a time when folks whose only flaw was being a late bloomer went Carib, but those days are gone. There are a number of US med schools that will reward reinvention.

It's likely you'll be in the bottom half or two thirds of the class that gets dismissed before Step 1. The business plan of a Carib school depends on the majority of the class not needing to be supported in clinical rotations. They literally can't place all 250+ of the starting class at clinical sites (educational malpractice, really. If this happened at a US school, they be shut down by LCME or COCA, and sued.

The Carib (and other offshore) schools have very tenuous, very expensive, very controversial relationships with a very small number of US clinical sites. You may think you can just ask to do your clinical rotations at a site near home. Nope. You may think you don't have to worry about this stuff. Wrong.

And let's say you get through med school in the Carib and get what you need out of the various clinical rotation scenarios. Then you are in the match gamble. I don't need to say a word about this - you can find everything you need to know at nrmp.org.

You really need to talk to people who made it through Carib threshing machine (like Skip Intro or mikkus, who are open about the risks entailed above and do not try to justify risky choices)) into residency, and hear the story from them. How many people were in their class at the start, how many are in it now? How long did it take to get a residency, and how did they handle the gap year(s) and their student loans? How many residencies did they apply to, how many interviews did they get, and were any of the programs on their match list anything like what they wanted?
 
Ok, so the oppinions are out in the open now. I think this provides an amazing opportunity for future med students and current carribean med student to learn.

I, as a nurse and former military member, know to never pass up an opportunity to gain some knowledge. This issue presents a great for improvemen. Due to my circumstances I didn't have the chance to apply to us schools (1 start date a year). Since I am now at Ross I would like to hear how you all think I can improve my education. Currently I take our lectures and clinical reasoning resources and find case studies. Past that every chance I get I go home and work a few shifts to observe current physicians and their clinical reasoning while discussing it and compare it to my own. I would like to know if there is anything further I could do to make me a better future doctor
 
You really need to talk to people who made it through Carib threshing machine (like Skip Intro or mikkus, who are open about the risks entailed above and do not try to justify risky choices)) into residency, and hear the story from them. How many people were in their class at the start, how many are in it now? How long did it take to get a residency, and how did they handle the gap year(s) and their student loans? How many residencies did they apply to, how many interviews did they get, and were any of the programs on their match list anything like what they wanted?

I did all this research befor heading to this school, this should be common place. I have discussed this decision with 5 Ross graduate physcians at my current hospital as well as a few current residents from Ross I was put in contact with through the military.

Due diligence is the name of the game.
 
I did all this research befor heading to this school, this should be common place. I have discussed this decision with 5 Ross graduate physcians at my current hospital as well as a few current residents from Ross I was put in contact with through the military.

Due diligence is the name of the game.
You made your bed, now lie in it. I sincerely hope that we don't see you posting in a year or two "Dismissed from Ross...can I get into AUA?" OR in four years "Failed to match...what do I do now?"
 
Classic Evolution:

1. Makes account and first post is about DO / Caribbean / SDN flavor-of-the-month rage
2. Outrageously defends XYZ in light of all the evidence in front of them
3. Banned

Sometimes, I hope that these people are truly trolls and not just stupid.
 
Classic Evolution:

1. Makes account and first post is about DO / Caribbean / SDN flavor-of-the-month rage
2. Outrageously defends XYZ in light of all the evidence in front of them
3. Banned

Sometimes, I hope that these people are truly trolls and not just stupid.
Thanks glad I made your day. I already realised it was a bad idea to ask the question I did in the beginning. Had no intention of coming on here but stumbled across it and just wanted to ask a question.
 
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Can we please not turn this into a "Why Carribean Schools are a Bad Option" thread? Pretty please?

We already have 1000 of those on SDN.
 
I am confident that he does. But to tell me that the education that I am currently undertaking is different than it is something that is simply wrong. I am fully aware of my day to day activities. I doubt they he is aware of my day to day educational experience because what he is claiming is on the whole untrue about what is happening here.

Is your experience at Ross similar to what he described? Because I somehow doubt it. I know several SGU grads, and they all have told me that the first two years are basically a really long board prep course. That is not equivalent to US medical education.

You cant call someone prey because they didn't take full stock of their capibilities. If that were true every business that benifits from someone is a predator. And I'm sorry I don't follow your beliefs but if I fail here it's not because the school took my money it's because I didn't succeed. I'm sorry but I whole heartedly disagree that just because someone fails its the schools advertising campegine that is some how to blame.

You're missing the point. The schools are predators because they admit people who they are sure will not succeed. That is the whole point. They admit a small percentage of people they think have a shot at making it, since they do have clinical rotation spots, but they admit a huge number of students they are fairly certain won't make it to year three. All you have to do is look at how they operate, the median GPA/MCAT they accept, and their attrition rates. It's appalling.

US medical schools admit people they are confident can handle the curriculum and will graduate to become doctors. The completion rate in US med schools is like 96%. Carib schools are no where near that, because they know a large portion of their students won't make it--but that's still hundreds of thousands of dollars in their pockets.

Those students are prey because they fall into the trap of taking an "opportunity that no one else gave them." Everyone wants to think they are special, and these schools take advantage of that.

Ok, so the oppinions are out in the open now. I think this provides an amazing opportunity for future med students and current carribean med student to learn.

I, as a nurse and former military member, know to never pass up an opportunity to gain some knowledge. This issue presents a great for improvemen. Due to my circumstances I didn't have the chance to apply to us schools (1 start date a year). Since I am now at Ross I would like to hear how you all think I can improve my education. Currently I take our lectures and clinical reasoning resources and find case studies. Past that every chance I get I go home and work a few shifts to observe current physicians and their clinical reasoning while discussing it and compare it to my own. I would like to know if there is anything further I could do to make me a better future doctor

How did you not have the chance to apply to US schools? I don't think you elaborated on that. And as a current active duty military member in a linkage program through USUHS, if you really want to go to a US MD school and have the patience and base level intelligence, you can do it. I dropped out of college to join the military 6 years ago with a sub 3.0 GPA, a bunch of Ws, and an F on my transcript. I graduated from college while active duty with a 3.6, a bunch of killer experiences, and a lot of really good LORs. It took me 5 years to get there, but I did it. And my story is hardly the most transformative. I'm in school with a guy who went from a 0.6 GPA to a 3.4 and is in the same cohort as me. Took him a little longer to get there, but he's here. And he's not limited by graduating from a diploma mill from the Carib.
 
I have discussed this decision with 5 Ross graduate physcians at my current hospital as well as a few current residents from Ross I was put in contact with through the military.

How were you put into contact with these residents from Ross through the military? Just curious.
 
How did you not have the chance to apply to US schools? I don't think you elaborated on that. And as a current active duty military member in a linkage program through USUHS, if you really want to go to a US MD school and have the patience and base level intelligence, you can do it. I dropped out of college to join the military 6 years ago with a sub 3.0 GPA, a bunch of Ws, and an F on my transcript. I graduated from college while active duty with a 3.6, a bunch of killer experiences, and a lot of really good LORs. It took me 5 years to get there, but I did it. And my story is hardly the most transformative. I'm in school with a guy who went from a 0.6 GPA to a 3.4 and is in the same cohort as me. Took him a little longer to get there, but he's here. And he's not limited by graduating from a diploma mill from the Carib.

I got a call that I was on a deployment cycle, I was told that if I was not accepted by December that I would be locked into the deployment. By the time I would have gotten back my classes from 2007 would have been greater then 10 years old this I would have had to retake my whole first under grad degree and this is baring any further deployment. So I talked with a lot of doctors most of them supprisingly us grads and they all brought up Ross. It wasn't even ony radar untill then.
 
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How were you put into contact with these residents from Ross through the military? Just curious.

Talk with the specialty branch recruiter for Active Duty or National Guard. They will contact the officer and ask them if they are ok with discussing their path and get back to you with there contact info. It will take some digging. I had to call about 4 different specialty branch recruiters before they had contacts off the top of their head. The one I talked to was in his second year on IM at Mayo. He told me what it was like there and what I had to do to be successfully. A lot of the burden, he said, fell on my shoulders. I was ok with that
 
I did all this research befor heading to this school, this should be common place. I have discussed this decision with 5 Ross graduate physcians at my current hospital as well as a few current residents from Ross I was put in contact with through the military.

Due diligence is the name of the game.

Depending on their specialties and/or when they attended, their experiences may no longer apply.

If the goal is family practice, then finding a community program somewhere may not be that difficult.
 
Depending on their specialties and/or when they attended, their experiences may no longer apply.

If the goal is family practice, then finding a community program somewhere may not be that difficult.
Just to clarify 3 internal medicine, 1 surgeon, 1 EM. So yea 4 of 5 were primary care. But I have asparations of EM or IM not surgery. Another critical factor in my decision.
 
I got a call that I was on a deployment cycle, I was told that if I was not accepted by December that I would be locked into the deployment. By the time I would have gotten back my classes from 2007 would have been greater then 10 years old this I would have had to retake my whole first under grad degree and this is baring any further deployment. So I talked with a lot of doctors most of them supprisingly us grads and they all brought up Ross. It wasn't even ony radar untill then.

I’m confused. Did your service give you an early out for education or something? What does the deployment cycle have to do with going to Ross? I finished my degree in 2016, and I started it in 2004. No one cared.

Edit: at least one person in my cohort was up for a deployment soon when they got accepted. It didn’t seem to hinder them.
 
Talk with the specialty branch recruiter for Active Duty or National Guard. They will contact the officer and ask them if they are ok with discussing their path and get back to you with there contact info. It will take some digging. I had to call about 4 different specialty branch recruiters before they had contacts off the top of their head. The one I talked to was in his second year on IM at Mayo. He told me what it was like there and what I had to do to be successfully. A lot of the burden, he said, fell on my shoulders. I was ok with that

What path? Something seems fishy. Maybe I’m misunderstanding you, but you cannot be an active duty physician from Ross. You have to graduate from an LCME accredited school in the US or Puerto Rico. Do you mean people who left the military to go to Ross and then practice as civilians?
 
I’m confused. Did your service give you an early out for education or something? What does the deployment cycle have to do with going to Ross? I finished my degree in 2016, and I started it in 2004. No one cared.
If your science courses in undergrad are > than 10 years old most medical schools won't take your application. I finished my first undergrad in 2011. And no early out as an officer you nolonger have a contract. I am NG now and travel home for drill.
 
If your science courses in undergrad are > than 10 years old most medical schools won't take your application. I finished my first undergrad in 2011. And no early out as an officer you nolonger have a contract. I am NG now and travel home for drill.

So you transitioned to NG at your EAOS (I forget what other branches call it, but your end of active obligated service) and then attended Ross? If you had a deployment coming up, how did your acceptance to Ross change that? I’m just curious because I am in school with someone in the Army who had acceptances to US MD schools and wasn’t allowed to go because it wasn’t USUHS, and he had time left. I’ve never heard of someone getting to miss a deployment because they got into a foreign school.
 
What path? Something seems fishy. Maybe I’m misunderstanding you, but you cannot be an active duty physician from Ross. You have to graduate from an LCME accredited school in the US or Puerto Rico. Do you mean people who left the military to go to Ross and then practice as civilians?
This is inaccurate. The only thing that Ross precludes you from in the military is having the military pay you and pay for your schooling while in med school. If you want further information I can set you up with the appropriate resources. I'm sure you won't want or need them since you are doing US. But just know that Ross student and many forgein grads are practising in the military
 
So you transitioned to NG at your EAOS (I forget what other branches call it, but your end of active obligated service) and then attended Ross? If you had a deployment coming up, how did your acceptance to Ross change that? I’m just curious because I am in school with someone in the Army who had acceptances to US MD schools and wasn’t allowed to go because it wasn’t USUHS, and he had time left. I’ve never heard of someone getting to miss a deployment because they got into a foreign school.

I am committed to the military as a "medical student" my mos changed to 99A (I believe is what it is) and they transfered me to a medical unit. If I was still enlisted this would not have happened but since I am an officer I have no such contract all of my obligations to the military were met long ago I've been in for 12 years and an officer for 6. My options were to leave the military, go on the deployment, or go to a medical unit as a medical student. Since I knew of the deployment before it was made final I was able to let them know I needed to transition they said I have untill xx date i made the transition and they filled the slot with someone who was dieing to go. Relatively simple
 
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This is inaccurate. The only thing that Ross precludes you from in the military is having the military pay you and pay for your schooling while in med school. If you want further information I can set you up with the appropriate resources. I'm sure you won't want or need them since you are doing US. But just know that Ross student and many forgein grads are practising in the military

What? The HPSP eligibility requirements state that you must attend an LCME accredited school in the US or Puerto Rico.

Here is an Army specific instruction: http://www.usarec.army.mil/im/formpub/rec_pubs/r601_105.pdf

Here is the Navy page: http://www.med.navy.mil/accessions/Pages/default.aspx

And here is the mil med recruiting page that outlines the scholarship requirements and requirements to join as a doctor: Eligibility Requirements
 
And here is the mil med recruiting page that outlines the scholarship requirements and requirements to join as a doctor
I'm not HSPS if you want to do HSPS you have to be in a us med school. You can be a doctor in the military after you graduate. HSPS is just their way of paying you and paying for your school. Once I'm done with school I will practice in the military which has nothing to do with HSPS.
 
What? The HPSP eligibility requirements state that you must attend an LCME accredited school in the US or Puerto Rico....
And here is the mil med recruiting page that outlines the scholarship requirements and requirements to join as a doctor
Furthermore you don't need HSPS anyway because regardless of your institution they will do SLRP on any federal student loans.
 
And here is the mil med recruiting page that outlines the scholarship requirements and requirements to join as a doctor:
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Requirements
ACTIVE:

  • Doctor of medicine or doctor of osteopathy degree from an accredited U.S. school of medicine or osteopathy; foreign graduates may apply with permanent certificate from the Educational Council of Foreign Medical Graduates
  • Current license to practice medicine in the United States, District of Columbia or Puerto Rico
  • Eligibility for board certification
  • Completion of an approved graduate medical education internship in family medicine
  • Between 21 and 42 years of age (may request a waiver, Locate a recruiter for more information)
  • U.S. citizenship
RESERVE:

  • In addition to the above qualifications, permanent U.S. residency is required for Reserve duty officers."
Goarmy website
 
Said the person who made the thread.

Exactly. The thread was about Ross going to Tennessee in January, not to do with why the Caribbean is a bad option. Only a matter of time before this thread gets shut down.
 
Furthermore you don't need HSPS anyway because regardless of your institution they will do SLRP on any federal student loans.

I guess I’m just confused by your story. You said you were active duty then transitioned to NG, but you’re in med school. I don’t know what you mean by “transferred to a medical unit as a med student.” I’m not an expert on the Army, but that’s not how it works in the Navy.

You either get out and go HPSP or you go to USUHS. What commitment could you have if you didn’t do a scholarship program or attend USUHS and your commitment is up?

The Army must be way different than the Navy, or I am just completely misunderstanding what you’re talking about.

Edit: and yes, I realize Ross grads who do a US residency can join. I meant that Ross isn’t eligible for HPSP, and that you can’t do military GME from there. I realize I worded that poorly.
 
Actually none of that matters anyway. The point is that Ross and its kind prey on gullible and desperate students, banking on most of them failing out or quitting, leaving them with tons of debt and the school with lots of money. That’s why we dislike them.
 
Well this is certainly a surprise. I never thought they'd allow a foreign school into the US.

Thoughts on this?

Ross University School of Medicine to Relocate Temporarily to Knoxville, Tenn. for Continuation of Medical School Classes
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"
Requirements
ACTIVE:

  • Doctor of medicine or doctor of osteopathy degree from an accredited U.S. school of medicine or osteopathy; foreign graduates may apply with permanent certificate from the Educational Council of Foreign Medical Graduates
  • Current license to practice medicine in the United States, District of Columbia or Puerto Rico
  • Eligibility for board certification
  • Completion of an approved graduate medical education internship in family medicine
  • Between 21 and 42 years of age (may request a waiver, Locate a recruiter for more information)
  • U.S. citizenship
RESERVE:

  • In addition to the above qualifications, permanent U.S. residency is required for Reserve duty officers."
Goarmy website

So are you accumulating large loans? If so, will you or the Army pay those back?
 
I guess I’m just confused by your story. You said you were active duty then transitioned to NG, but you’re in med school. I don’t know what you mean by “transferred to a medical unit as a med student.” I’m not an expert on the Army, but that’s not how it works in the Navy.

You either get out and go HPSP or you go to USUHS. What commitment could you have if you didn’t do a scholarship program or attend USUHS and your commitment is up?

The Army must be way different than the Navy, or I am just completely misunderstanding what you’re talking about.

Edit: and yes, I realize Ross grads who do a US residency can join. I meant that Ross isn’t eligible for HPSP, and that you can’t do military GME from there. I realize I worded that poorly.
I'm not too sure how else to explain it. Sorry if you message me maybe I can clarify a specific question but simply put your only 2 options are not usuhs and hsps. I am an activity drilling member of NG. What I'm doing is similar to what an SMP cadet does in ROTC.
 
So are you accumulating large loans? If so, will you or the Army pay those back?
The army will pay back a certain amount. The amount they will pay back is the same regardless of where you graduate.
So I will probably be paying off about 25-50k on my own
 
I'm not too sure how else to explain it. Sorry if you message me maybe I can clarify a specific question but simply put your only 2 options are not usuhs and hsps. I am an activity drilling member of NG. What I'm doing is similar to what an SMP cadet does in ROTC.

There are a few options, but in the Navy, none of them work how you’re describing. I’m just curious what program you’re actually in so that I can learn about it, since I don’t know the Army that well. It must have a name and an instruction.
 
There are a few options, but in the Navy, none of them work how you’re describing. I’m just curious what program you’re actually in so that I can learn about it, since I don’t know the Army that well. It must have a name and an instruction.
Sent you a message
 
Enlighten us.
I did when I messaged you. I also said in the message that I didn't want to continue to bicker in this forum. I didn't want that in the beginning when I asked my initial question and I don't want to now. If you wish to copy and paste my message to you feel free to.
 
Anyone think DCOM will snag their better professors? Since it's a DCOM campus I imagine a few would want to stay and LMU is going to have to hire more faculty soon anyway.

Anything is possible, but why do you assume some of them want to stay in TN? Ross recruits professors from US medical schools frequently. I went to Ross (yes, a low calibre poser who, incidentally, had similar stats as most of you but not enough money to play amcas) and I know plenty of our professors came from American, Canadian, and British medical schools.

Ross isn't perfect by any means, but they have some very committed and talented professors. Most of them love teaching. All of them offer ample office hours with an open door policy and are happy to help students who ask for help.
 
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