Ross University will now be in Tennessee at the LMU campus starting JAN. Thoughts?

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valid username said:
Ross isn't perfect by any means, but they have some very committed and talented professors. Most of them love teaching. All of them offer ample office hours with an open door policy and are happy to help students who ask for help.
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Out of curiosity I went to Ross's careers page and noticed that Dr. Robert Sasso is one of their faces. I suppose he looks good since he's a Duke MD graduate. The problem is that Dr. Sasso relocated to Central Michigan back in January.

I poked around the faculty page and note that some of the people listed have literally no online presence other than this RUSM page. Is it nefarious? Perhaps not, but it's still a bit strange. I also note that they do that annoying thing where they lump the faculty and administrative staff together.

The faculty at Caribbean schools tend to fall into one of three bins (I know because when we advertise medical education jobs we get applications from them): (1) non-US trained physicians who couldn't or didn't get a residency spot in the US or Canada, (2) US physicians who are at the ends of their careers and want to spend some pre-retirement time teaching in the tropics, and (3) unfunded PhD's who need to put food on the table.

This doesn't make them unintelligent, unaccomplished, or poor educators. But it also doesn't breed a lot of confidence in the integrity of the enterprise.
 
Med Ed said:
Yeah, something's been a bit off about this whole thing.
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You can say what you want about my education and about my school and this will for sure be my last post but you better check your self before you question my service
 
Med Ed said:
The faculty at Caribbean schools tend to fall into one of three bins (I know because when we advertise medical education jobs we get applications from them): (1) non-US trained physicians who couldn't or didn't get a residency spot in the US or Canada, (2) US physicians who are at the ends of their careers and want to spend some pre-retirement time teaching in the tropics, and (3) unfunded PhD's who need to put food on the table.
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So last year Dr. Sasso belonged in which of these three bins?

How about Dr. Tyrone Donnon, Dr. Timothy Loy, Dr. Paul Abney, Dr. Nancy Selfridge, Dr. Steven Fox, Dr. Laura Welke?

Bins, seriously? Is that just to reiterate what trash you think we all are? Noted.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
Yeah... you’re full of it. I reported your post to the mods. It’s disgraceful that you’re attempting to fake military service to legitimize your Ross apologetics.
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LT-to-RN-to-MD-2017 said:
You can say what you want about my education and about my school and this will for sure be my last post but you better check your self before you question my service
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It appears someone got caught with their hand in the cookie jar :laugh:
 
LT-to-RN-to-MD-2017 said:
You can say what you want about my education and about my school and this will for sure be my last post but you better check your self before you question my service
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I'm questioning it. Don't PM me again, or I'll report you again.

Nothing you've said about your service makes sense. You can't provide details, and you are using MOS codes that don't exist. You can't provide an instruction for this mystery program you're in, and you're claiming the Army is allowing you to go to Ross and travel home to drill while keeping you as an active duty officer with some non-existent MOS, despite the fact that the military will not send someone to an offshore diploma mill (or any other non-LCME accredited school). You're also apparently just attached to some random "medical unit" as an "undeployable student," which again makes no sense. There are MOS codes for students and officer candidates, but they are not in the non-existent 99 series, and you don't just get assigned to some random unit to be a medical student.

Unless you want to verify your military status using a .mil email account like I did, I do not believe that you are what you say you are. Account verification is very easy. It took about a day to get my email to my .mil account. But somehow, I don't think you'll bother.
 
Exli said:
Absolute Savage/100
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Not trying to be savage. I just take it very personally when someone fakes military service for personal gain. If the poster in question verifies their account and proves that they are military, I will gladly stand corrected. It just seems very unlikely, since their story makes zero sense, and they decided to peace out.
 
valid username said:
So last year Dr. Sasso belonged in which of these three bins?

How about Dr. Tyrone Donnon, Dr. Timothy Loy, Dr. Paul Abney, Dr. Nancy Selfridge, Dr. Steven Fox, Dr. Laura Welke?
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You know what the word "tends" means, right?

But since you asked:
Donnon - PhD that ran out of funding and hated the weather
Loy - US doc at tail end of career
Abney - hard to tell, looks like he's over 70, got is PhD 15 years ago, only a six year gap before joining Ross
Selfridge - US doc at tail end of career
Fox - unfunded PhD
Welke - unfunded PhD
Sasson - landed on the edge of the bin and eventually fell out

valid username said:
Bins, seriously? Is that just to reiterate what trash you think we all are?
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Of course not. Lots of great things come in bins. Toys, bulk granola, Swedish fish..
 
There have been rumblings at ross that they were going to try and merge with a US school for years. The politics in Dominica haven't been totally favorable to a continued relationship with the school in a while.

also, expect a serious court case to pop up if they try to stay in TN for more than a semester. The school ALREADY would not qualify for federal funding if they had to apply today, NO way the US dept of ed is going to let them continue their racket on us soil.
 
Yikes the stupidity of some of you "future doctors"...I have friends that attend Ross and they do their rotations in the US. The hospital in Knoxville is actually one of the campuses the students can attend after their 2nd year. Also you don't have to attend a US med school to be a practicing doctor in the United States. My primary care doctor and her husband (who's a doctor) went to school in India.
 
bibingka_ said:
Yikes the stupidity of some of you "future doctors"...I have friends that attend Ross and they do their rotations in the US. The hospital in Knoxville is actually one of the campuses the students can attend after their 2nd year. Also you don't have to attend a US med school to be a practicing doctor in the United States. My primary care doctor and her husband (who's a doctor) went to school in India.
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That's nice.
 
bibingka_ said:
Yikes the stupidity of some of you "future doctors"...I have friends that attend Ross and they do their rotations in the US. The hospital in Knoxville is actually one of the campuses the students can attend after their 2nd year. Also you don't have to attend a US med school to be a practicing doctor in the United States. My primary care doctor and her husband (who's a doctor) went to school in India.
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bibingka_ said:
Well I'm glad you found it amusing
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Your post just completely ignores all the difficulties pointed out with attending a foreign school with the intention of practicing in the US in favor of a few anecdotes. That's why it's "amusing."
 
gonnif said:
Can I also add to this fact to this thread as the press release reads

More than 1,400 students, faculty and staff from Ross University School of Medicine (RUSM) plan to relocate temporarily to Knoxville, Tenn. to continue their program of study after Hurricane Maria damaged the medical school’s home country of Dominica in September.

I am not sure this will get off the ground despite their attempts to do so. But it does well to calm the stock holders
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It's just been announced that they aren't coming back to Dominica.

Ross University, Dominica's largest private sector investment leaves the island after 40 years - Antigua News Room
 
Toutie said:
I wonder where they are going to go? I didn't see a new location mentioned in that article. I don't think they can come stateside without a LOT of changes.
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I am just speculating but I don't see why they have to leave TN, unless LMU wants them to. It's a strange situation.
 
Caribpro said:
also, expect a serious court case to pop up if they try to stay in TN for more than a semester. The school ALREADY would not qualify for federal funding if they had to apply today, NO way the US dept of ed is going to let them continue their racket on us soil.
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No court case as of yet.
 
They are there 'temporarily' (its been about a year now) and apparently students are being taught by U.S. professors? IF they are able to make drastic changes I don't think the U.S. dept. of education can say no.

Knoxville
 
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gonnif said:
The school is still chartered in Dominica and even they continue physically hold classes at LMU, they are still an international medical school, no matter who instructs them.
Even if a US school were to buy them, they would still need a charter from the state as well as LCME accreditation to award MD as a US school. But with SGU making moves into the US will purchase of Rocky Vista, Ross seems to be preparing the same. Adtalem did just selloff DeVry University and now are focusing on their medical and healthcare unit which is their largest business unit bringing in overall $91 million in revenue in Q3 2018. The Ross, AUC, and Vet school had an overall 10% student increase from last year which may be just a result from the hurricane impact. They also just appointed 2 Directors in Healthcare and Technology Expertise and named a new president of medical and healthcare business. I hate to say it, but it would much easier for them than a new US school as they have the clinical rotations setup in the US. But can they make their business model work in the US? With Cal Northstate and the other for profit MD in CA as well as Rocky Vista, I would think they believe they can.
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I think LMU will buy them, so there's your buyer. With the revenue a new med school could bring to the state, I don't see why TN would say no. It really does look like they are going to become a US school, and it will happen sooner rather than later.

The SDN community went from (rightly) saying Ross is a bad school due to their for profit model, to laughing off the cruise ship idea, to saying no way they could stay in the US for more than a semester, to reacting to the news that they will not be coming back to Dominica.
 
Windom Earle said:
I think LMU will buy them, so there's your buyer. With the revenue a new med school could bring to the state, I don't see why TN would say no. It really does look like they are going to become a US school, and it will happen sooner rather than later.
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You appeared to miss the part where they would need LCME accreditation...

And if they get that then they literally lose all the things that we rag on them for..
 
Windom Earle said:
I think LMU will buy them, so there's your buyer. With the revenue a new med school could bring to the state, I don't see why TN would say no. It really does look like they are going to become a US school, and it will happen sooner rather than later.

The SDN community went from (rightly) saying Ross is a bad school due to their for profit model, to laughing off the cruise ship idea, to saying no way they could stay in the US for more than a semester, to reacting to the news that they will not be coming back to Dominica.
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As @gonnif said, they would still need a charter from the state as well as LCME accreditation. That will not be something that will just drop in their lap. They will have to make some major changes to get accredited. Their whole business plan of bringing in MANY more students than can make it to residency will have to change. They can not use the same business plan as a US school that they use as an international school.
 
gonnif said:
Ross wont be sold. They are positioning themselves to be a medical education and healthcare company, shedding all their all other units of the parent Adtalem just keeping Ross, AUC, the Vet school, the nursing and similar. For that reason they wouldnt be buying LMU. Besides that they wouldnt be up for sale, LMU would have tremendous difficulty in buying them and getting it approved. First LMU is a non-profit chartered as such and Adtalem is definitely a for-profit. Getting the state to allow some sort of conversion of LMU to for-profit status would be an uphill battle and Adtalem doesnt want the non-health education parts of LMU. No Ross is going to look for a home in a state or institution that wants them and maybe give tax breaks for doing so. While they can get a charter from a state, to offer the MD they need LCME. That is not a cheap process
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I take back what I said lol. They are going to Barbados.

Adtalem Global Education Announces Barbados as New Location for Ross University School of Medicine

Not sure why they abandoned Dominica if they were just coming back to the Caribbean
 
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Windom Earle said:
Not sure why they abandoned Dominica if they were just coming back to the Caribbean
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Probably because it's cheaper for them to move into an existing building on an island with an infrastructure that is in good shape than to pay to rebuild their facilities on Dominica where the island infrastructure is still in ruins.
 
If you google Ross in Barbados....lol
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