San Juan Bautista MD school loses accreditation

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Chrome19 said:
How low did he score? If he can manage to get his score to 25+ he has a a legitimate shot. Since he was your speaker I imagine his GPA will be very high.

Tell him to get a few books on informal logic, read advanced texts in English and learn to apply scientific concepts on the fly. Once he has done this, he can start reviewing again with EK (especially for verbal) or TBR (as per SDN's proposal) and he'll score 25+. Guaranteed!
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In addition, any topics not covered properly by review books should be supplemented with textbooks or the internet.
 
Stumpyman said:
I know too many doctors on a personal level that went to medical schools abroad then came to practice in the US. Some are great, but most aren't. My uncle, who is a neurologist in the US, went to some tiny med school in the middle of a third world country. He was suspended twice and almost expelled (he had to bribe some school officials to stay in the school). He later got US residency and passed his USMLE. Now he makes well over 400K.

The thing is, it really doesn't matter where they went to medical school (broad statement, but still it's true to some degree), as long as they have a license to practice in the US.
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I agree on this. It really doesn't matter where you go to medical school. My sister went to medical school in Pakistan. And arguably, most educational institutes of America will provide higher educational standards than any Pakistani med school (even if that Pakistani med school was the best of the country). She scored in the 99th percentile in her STEP 1 exam and did a grueling residency program in New york. She was accepted to almost every residency place where she interviewed. And she is now a doctor with a starting salary of 200K.

So, really the point is, it doesn't matter where you are educated, what really matters is what you do with that education. All medical schools only provide you with the tools to succeed, after that it is completely up to you to prove your worth.

I grew up in Pakistan myself, but was raised learning english as a second language from kindergarten. I consider myself completely proficient in the language, yet I struggled in the verbal section of the MCAT. So considering that, I can't imagine how difficult it would be for someone to take an exam in a "foreign" language which they can hardly speak. So, to the people who are passing judgements upon the 20 average in the mcat, you must consider that there may probably be a language barrier causing that. Try taking a test in a language you barely understand. If you need to translate a question into your native tongue to completely comprehend the meaning, then probably your screwed for a standardized test in English. I'm learning Spanish right now. I can barely understand it after translating individual words and putting them together. Its difficult, if the MCAT was in Spanish, I would get a 10.
 
centrigeugle said:
I'll bet you my right thumb that the Step scores and residency placements correlate quite closely with LizzyM scores.
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you should at least do some research before you go betting body parts.. if memory serves, MCAT has an R value of ~0.6 for step 1; GPA correlated very poorly. given that LizzyM scores are a combination of these two, it certainly would dilute the relatively good correlation of the MCAT, rendering the score essentially useless in predicting the steps...
 
HumbleMD said:
I "give a damn" about the state of healthcare in the United States. This will only worsen healthcare delivery in Puerto Rico (which in in the US, may I remind you). That, combined with the huge shortage of Latino physicians in the US, and the screwed state that the 3rd and 4th year students are in, makes this nothing to gloat about and make about med school admissions and MCAT scores. There are bigger things.

That's why I care. Why do you care about a school you didn't apply to and never would have attended, if medical school admission is your current preoccupation?
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I wasn't saying that you don't give a damn, I was telling you that people don't give a damn. And yes, I do care.

Today I wrote a letter to AAMC asking for their help in placing these students that went to this school in other med schools in the US. I urge all of you to do the same. I'm sorry to say that I'm doubtful it will happen, but other than praying for them that's all I can do at this point. We can debate about the quality of the med school all day long but at the end of the day the students got screwed. Is it AAMC's fault? No. Its not other medical schools fault either, but they are the only ones that can help. As doctors, we are going to be faced with situations in which we will provide care for patients who won't/can't pay and depend on us for help. Providing care in situations like this isn't profitable, but its part of the character that makes a good physician. Even though med schools provide much help the community, they can help these students by accepting them, thus extending the care and help we are taught to provide.

Good luck guys
 
RogueUnicorn said:
you should at least do some research before you go betting body parts.. if memory serves, MCAT has an R value of ~0.6 for step 1; GPA correlated very poorly. given that LizzyM scores are a combination of these two, it certainly would dilute the relatively good correlation of the MCAT, rendering the score essentially useless in predicting the steps...
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I can't find anything for Step 1 but for Step 2, MCAT is highly correlated and undergrad gpa less so but still statistically significant. Ditto for science gpa.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16296216
 
LizzyM said:
I can't find anything for Step 1 but for Step 2, MCAT is highly correlated and undergrad gpa less so but still statistically significant. Ditto for science gpa.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16296216
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Though R values of .5 and .25 are good correlations statistically, practically speaking, they account for .25 and .06 of the variance of an individual's score. Even adding these two values, which I don't think is statistically sound, gives you at best ~30% of a person's score.
 
These students must feel like a dagger has just been shoved through their heart. It must be so hard to go to a Caribbean school, to give it your all and know that in the end there is a chance you'll be unable to practice medicine back in the US. I couldn't imagine how that sense of unknowing weighs on them day in and day out as they spend their days studying constantly and take out massive loans to pay for school. I really hope these people find a way to work things out.

To go to the Caribbean you must really want to become a physician. Honestly it shows more dedication to that pursuit that anything any of us could ever do during our undergraduate years.
 
Rednawz said:
These students must feel like a dagger has just been shoved through their heart. It must be so hard to go to a Caribbean school, to give it your all and know that in the end there is a chance you'll be unable to practice medicine back in the US. I couldn't imagine how that sense of unknowing weighs on them day in and day out as they spend their days studying constantly and take out massive loans to pay for school. I really hope these people find a way to work things out.

To go to the Caribbean you must really want to become a physician. Honestly it shows more dedication to that pursuit that anything any of us could ever do during our undergraduate years.
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Did you miss the "SJB is a US school, not Caribbean" bit.
 
mauberley said:
Did you miss the "SJB is a US school, not Caribbean" bit.
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Haha woops, I guess I haven't had to do much research on the difference between Caribbean and Puerto Rico @_@

Still though, it is a tragic event
 
LizzyM said:
MCAT scores do correlate with Step 1 scores and undergrad gpa does correlate with Step 1 scores (I've heard it said that they are the best predictor) and so to the extent that LizzyM score is a composite of MCAT and gpa then yes, LizzyM score is a predictor of Step 1 score. Keep in mind that this is a correlation that works on a population basis but the variation is great enough that you aren't going to be able to use it to make a reliable prediction of Step 1 score for an individual.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16186610

suggests that the LizzyM score would do better to consider MCAT alone as a predictor of Step, as uGPA does little to contribute to predict Step scores beyond what the MCAT shows. But the LizzyM score, as I understood it, was never meant to project Step scores, it was meant to project likelihood of interview invites 😉

the data do however beg the question as to why adcoms continue to place such heavy reliance on GPA - it was just listed somewhere on AAMC (and reposted here) as the single most important factor in choosing to interview.... when the data don't support that approach. there are other studies; the consensus appears to lie around R values of .4-.5 for MCAT and .2 for uGPA on Step I.

admissions numbers absolutely correlate with Step scores - the problem lies with trying to extrapolate that out to any given individual. schools with "average" admissions numbers should see 10%+ of their classes pump out 250+ on Step I... the trouble comes in identifying who these people are before the scores actually come out :shrug:
 
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CodeBlu said:
Oh my god...

No Caribbean school has accreditation (SGU, Ross, AUC etc.)

Puerto Rico is considered the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA... hence any medical education facility needs to be accredited by the LCME in the US or Canada.
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If it's located in the Caribbean, then I'm calling it Caribbean, whether or not it is US territory.
 
sector9 said:
No, it's like the people in the middle of checking out (the fourth year students) suddenly have to find a new lane to check out.

The website CB linked us to in his post mentions that the fourth year students applying to residency programs can no longer do so because they are no longer attending a LCME accredited program.

The last time an MD school closed (Oral Roberts in 1990), the school announced the closure in 1989 and students finished the year off. However, in that situation, the school closed due to financial difficulties NOT their accreditation being revoked. In this situation, the accreditation is revoked effective immediately, so current students are stuck
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f'ing walmarts...
 
pancakesyrup said:
If it's located in the Caribbean, then I'm calling it Caribbean, whether or not it is US territory.
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and you will look ridiculous doing so. and be misunderstood. and cause confusion.

but hey, whatever floats yer boat
 
gravitywave said:
and you will look ridiculous doing so. and be misunderstood. and cause confusion.

but hey, whatever floats yer boat
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I am not going to ever put them in the same category as SGU, Ross, AUC, etc, but Puerto Rico is in the Caribbean.
 
pancakesyrup said:
I am not going to ever put them in the same category as SGU, Ross, AUC, etc, but Puerto Rico is in the Caribbean.
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I'm going to call it an Atlantic Ocean medical school because San Juan is on the Atlantic side of the Island.
 
I go to Suprasudamerica Medical School.
 
I could only read about half this thread because the snooty trolling got to me, but here's what I have to say about this.

From what I've seen, SJB seemed to have been populated with not a bunch of lazy rich kids from the states, but instead by older, often family-oriented individuals who just wanted to be doctors. They may have not had the grades or MCAT scores of many others because they simply lacked the opportunities many of the rest of us were born into. Your scores so dependent on how much free time (not working) that your parents are able to pay for you to enjoy so that you can study, apply for fellowships and scholarships, prepare for the MCAT, and buff your resume with fancy volunteer jobs and low-paying internships. It's a little harder if you have to work some crappy job all day every day to put food on the table.

Truly, the way we break people down to just a couple numbers is a flawed system. I admit that it may be the easiest way to manage the thousands of applicants, but it does a poor job of assessing compassion, dedication, and empathy; three qualities that are as, or perhaps even more, important to being a Doctor than academic capability.

SJB losing its accreditation is a tragedy, and my heart goes out to those whose dreams were put on hold or even lost. I only hope that other med schools find the charity to reach out to these students, and help them finish school.

Here's a great website I found where you can read a little bit more about those affected:
http://www.cienciapr.org/messageboard_view.php?id=1640
 
JHU 2010 said:
I could only read about half this thread because the snooty trolling got to me, but here's what I have to say about this.

From what I've seen, SJB seemed to have been populated with not a bunch of lazy rich kids from the states, but instead by older, often family-oriented individuals who just wanted to be doctors. They may have not had the grades or MCAT scores of many others because they simply lacked the opportunities many of the rest of us were born into. Your scores so dependent on how much free time (not working) that your parents are able to pay for you to enjoy so that you can study, apply for fellowships and scholarships, prepare for the MCAT, and buff your resume with fancy volunteer jobs and low-paying internships. It's a little harder if you have to work some crappy job all day every day to put food on the table.

Truly, the way we break people down to just a couple numbers is a flawed system. I admit that it may be the easiest way to manage the thousands of applicants, but it does a poor job of assessing compassion, dedication, and empathy; three qualities that are as, or perhaps even more, important to being a Doctor than academic capability.

SJB losing its accreditation is a tragedy, and my heart goes out to those whose dreams were put on hold or even lost. I only hope that other med schools find the charity to reach out to these students, and help them finish school.

Here's a great website I found where you can read a little bit more about those affected:
http://www.cienciapr.org/messageboard_view.php?id=1640
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Interesting. They seem to place the blame on LCME rather than the school administration.

I asked at my school and they have received many inquiries but are not taking 4th year transfers for obvious reasons.
 
JHU 2010 said:
Your scores so dependent on how much free time (not working) that your parents are able to pay for you to enjoy so that you can study, apply for fellowships and scholarships, prepare for the MCAT, and buff your resume with fancy volunteer jobs and low-paying internships. It's a little harder if you have to work some crappy job all day every day to put food on the table.
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I call B.S. When I studied for the MCAT this summer I was working 60+ hours a week to provide for my wife and 2 kids. I woke up at 4:30 AM, studied till 7, worked a 12 hr day, and studied till about 10 or 11 everyday for about 6 weeks.

Life hasn't exactly been kind to me or my family, but we have made the best of it. No parent paid for me. Hell, I didn't even ask for financial assistance to pay for that test. My results were a little above decent. I have received interviews from every school I applied at.

Most of the time people can get where they want to go if they are driven, but it starts with realizing that a victim mentality will get you nowhere fast.
 
Regarding the link, I'm sure some of those stories are have a twist of biasness and I think that due to their bond with faculty and staff it's tough to go out and slam the school that put them in this spot.

But my heart really goes out to the students. It seems like SJU Bautista seems to have more non-traditional students with growing families and that's got to be painful when an entire family's livelihood is on the line much less a single student. I think especially for the PR natives it's even tougher because I know how family oriented life is in Latin America and that's got to be rough with so much uncertainty now in their lives.
 
Celerity said:
I call B.S. When I studied for the MCAT this summer I was working 60+ hours a week to provide for my wife and 2 kids. I woke up at 4:30 AM, studied till 7, worked a 12 hr day, and studied till about 10 or 11 everyday for about 6 weeks.

Life hasn't exactly been kind to me or my family, but we have made the best of it. No parent paid for me. Hell, I didn't even ask for financial assistance to pay for that test. My results were a little above decent. I have received interviews from every school I applied at.

Most of the time people can get where they want to go if they are driven, but it starts with realizing that a victim mentality will get you nowhere fast.
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Please stop already fruity loops not every college kid is working 12 hours a day. Most of them especially in my school are living with their parents.
 
Celerity said:
I call B.S. When I studied for the MCAT this summer I was working 60+ hours a week to provide for my wife and 2 kids. I woke up at 4:30 AM, studied till 7, worked a 12 hr day, and studied till about 10 or 11 everyday for about 6 weeks.

Life hasn't exactly been kind to me or my family, but we have made the best of it. No parent paid for me. Hell, I didn't even ask for financial assistance to pay for that test. My results were a little above decent. I have received interviews from every school I applied at.

Most of the time people can get where they want to go if they are driven, but it starts with realizing that a victim mentality will get you nowhere fast.
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Did you have to walk 10 miles uphill both ways in the snow to work?:meanie:
 
I don't understand why people are blaming the LCME. They were just doing their jobs. Policemen have to arrest people who break the law. The health department inspectors shut down restaurants that don't use hygienic food preparation. Doctors take exams to prove they can see patients. Lawyers pass a bar....

I get that the LCME could have waited until the end of the year, but we have to abide by standards. If they make an exception this time, then they have to always make the exception, and standards just get even more diluted down. This is not the LCME's fault. Perhaps the school should have given some warning?
 
tiedyeddog said:
I don't understand why people are blaming the LCME. They were just doing their jobs. Policemen have to arrest people who break the law. The health department inspectors shut down restaurants that don't use hygienic food preparation. Doctors take exams to prove they can see patients. Lawyers pass a bar....

I get that the LCME could have waited until the end of the year, but we have to abide by standards. If they make an exception this time, then they have to always make the exception, and standards just get even more diluted down. This is not the LCME's fault. Perhaps the school should have given some warning?
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Exactly. Losing LCME accreditation is not a quick process. I would bet the LCME has contacted SJB multiple times about the infractions over the course of at least a year. The school administration chose to keep the students in the dark, which is unacceptable. The students' beef should be with the administration. Also, that link posted above is emotionally manipulative and is not going to curry favor with the LCME.

In contrast, look how GW handled the situation when faced with probation...They kept the students fully aware of what issues they faced and what steps they were taking to correct the problems. In the end, they got out of probation, albeit with a 4 year accreditation rather than the full 8.
 
tiedyeddog said:
I don't understand why people are blaming the LCME. They were just doing their jobs. Policemen have to arrest people who break the law. The health department inspectors shut down restaurants that don't use hygienic food preparation. Doctors take exams to prove they can see patients. Lawyers pass a bar....

I get that the LCME could have waited until the end of the year, but we have to abide by standards. If they make an exception this time, then they have to always make the exception, and standards just get even more diluted down. This is not the LCME's fault. Perhaps the school should have given some warning?
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I don't think they're trying to blame the LCME. Many earlier posters were trying to blame the students for attending a medical school that promised an MD, and had lower MCAT scores. THe post is awfully heart-in-throat, but hopefully puts a face to the stories of what happens when a school loses accredidation.

Blaming the LCME is certainly not the right place either. Agreed, they are doing their job to make sure an MD means something in the US.

I wouldn't "blame" but I'd put most responsibility with the school administration itself. It is their duty to provide adequate clinical resources to do rotations at, and they failed. Though I don't know what I would do if the local hospital went belly up.
 
HumbleMD said:
I don't think they're trying to blame the LCME. Many earlier posters were trying to blame the students for attending a medical school that promised an MD, and had lower MCAT scores. THe post is awfully heart-in-throat, but hopefully puts a face to the stories of what happens when a school loses accredidation.

Blaming the LCME is certainly not the right place either. Agreed, they are doing their job to make sure an MD means something in the US.

I wouldn't "blame" but I'd put most responsibility with the school administration itself. It is their duty to provide adequate clinical resources to do rotations at, and they failed. Though I don't know what I would do if the local hospital went belly up.
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I'd say it's not even about a bankrupt hospital. It's about the lack of transparency that caused the situation the students are in now. If they knew things weren't looking so hot, they could have pursued other options earlier.
 
Some premeds here are just pathetic. They are just too deep into their own situation to allow themselves to sympathize with others well above him. I just had a an adcoms member form a state school tell me that there is NO correlation between MCAT scores and GPA as a predictor of how medical students are going to do in their steps and so on.

The school lost accreditation bc they had problems with the hospital they conducted clinicals. NOTHING to do with GPA or MCAT scores of students in SJB. If someone can't comprehend this simple FACT then they just want to bash THEIR own colleagues.

So what if someone has a 3.3 GPA. If they busted their butt to get that then so be it. About the MCAT situation I was born and raised in Puerto Rico and have a lot of friends that are in MED school or aspiring to. For some odd reason they have problems with the MCAT, which makes sense since the classes are taught in SPANISH. This is why I decided to do my College in the U.S., nothing to do with better education bc the UPR is a prestigious institution.
 
CodeBlu said:
https://www.aamc.org/students/sjb

Information for San Juan Bautista School of Medicine Students and Applicants

"Effective October 3, 2011, the Liaison Committee on Medical Education (LCME) has withdrawn accreditation from the educational program leading to the M.D. degree at the San Juan Bautista School of Medicine. This decision was based primarily on the LCME's assessment of inadequate clinical resources. This decision is final. The notification letter sent to the program informed it of its right to provide official comment to the U.S. Department of Education and to the LCME. If the program chooses to exercise this option, copies of the comments will be made available to the public by request. A copy of the letter notifying the program of this decision is available here."
(LCME Web site, Oct. 3, 2011, www.lcme.org)

This page is intended to provide general information for students and applicants, as well as to identify resources for more specific information.







This is sooooooooooooooo messed up.
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That's rough :/
 
alej1020 said:
Some premeds here are just pathetic. They are just too deep into their own situation to allow themselves to sympathize with others well above him. I just had a an adcoms member form a state school tell me that there is NO correlation between MCAT scores and GPA as a predictor of how medical students are going to do in their steps and so on.

The school lost accreditation bc they had problems with the hospital they conducted clinicals. NOTHING to do with GPA or MCAT scores of students in SJB. If someone can't comprehend this simple FACT then they just want to bash THEIR own colleagues.

So what if someone has a 3.3 GPA. If they busted their butt to get that then so be it. About the MCAT situation I was born and raised in Puerto Rico and have a lot of friends that are in MED school or aspiring to. For some odd reason they have problems with the MCAT, which makes sense since the classes are taught in SPANISH. This is why I decided to do my College in the U.S., nothing to do with better education bc the UPR is a prestigious institution.
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... yeah and so is Norfolk State University. People need to quit pretending UPR was some bastion of great knowledge.


All adcomms hold their opinions. I've heard that verbal reason actually does, and if i'm not mistaken there is literature that backs that claim.
 
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1st year: Very competitive group 95 % of them doing very well in NBME exams administered so far. Large group of non traditional students with achievements and life experiences 95% of the typical USA pre med will never have.

2nd year: Not as competitive as first, has an excellent sub-group of about 10 student stars.

Third year: Close to 80% passed USMLE step 1 first attempt better than at least two other PR LCME schools, at least 15 star students w high USMLE scores =over 228


Fourth Year: Unfortunately only about 10-15 can be considered competitive for mainland USA schools.

Source kept confidential but LCME knows very well


Subpoenas are on their way folks!!!!!
 
I am absolutely baffled at how some of the pre-med ppl have responded; with a lack of empathy or the slightest bit of compassion...which mind you when you do get into your CLINICAL rotations you will find that it is just as important as your medical knowledge and the numbers that are so important to you. That being said..the school lost its accreditation due to lack of clinical sites (their hospital went backrupt). To remind you all we are in an economic recession...and yes "WE" because Puerto Rico is a commonwealth of the United States. The loss of accreditation was not because their students weren't passing the USMLE (they got accredited to begin with right?). I do agree though this isn't LCME's fault..they are merely doing their job. The school failed to inform their students and that's just unacceptable, not to mention unprofessional!

Just as unprofessional as it is to come on this thread and bash the students and their credentials, when you know nothing about it. When you do get to medical school you will learn (hopefully) that we are all on the same team. You will work with them in the hospital (yes they do become surgeons, neurologists, and even dermatologists OH MY) so start now by changing your prejudiced ways. We learn the same crap, study the same s***, and pass THE SAMEEEEEEEE BOARDS!!! So show a little compassion for those fourth years whose past 4 horrible horrible years of hard work, late nights, sacrafices, etc. (things which you cant even begin to fathom) were SQUASHED. I pray for them and hope other schools reach out to them and allow them to at least start MD3.
 
alej1020 said:
Some premeds here are just pathetic. They are just too deep into their own situation to allow themselves to sympathize with others well above him. I just had a an adcoms member form a state school tell me that there is NO correlation between MCAT scores and GPA as a predictor of how medical students are going to do in their steps and so on.
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Actually, there is a pretty decent correlation between MCAT and Step 1, and a lower but still significant correlation between science GPA and Step 1. Whoever you were talking to is wrong. If you interview at UCin or any other medical school that does the MMI they will give you a big spiel about it.
 
Subpoena guy said:
1st year: Very competitive group 95 % of them doing very well in NBME exams administered so far. Large group of non traditional students with achievements and life experiences 95% of the typical USA pre med will never have.
2nd year: Not as competitive as first, has an excellent sub-group of about 10 student stars.

Third year: Close to 80% passed USMLE step 1 first attempt better than at least two other PR LCME schools, at least 15 star students w high USMLE scores =over 228


Fourth Year: Unfortunately only about 10-15 can be considered competitive for mainland USA schools.

Source kept confidential but LCME knows very well


Subpoenas are on their way folks!!!!!
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NOTICE TO ALL PROGRAM DIRECTORS
AND DESIGNATED INSTITUTIONAL OFFICIALS
SAN JUAN BAUTISTA MEDICAL SCHOOL
The ACGME has been informed by the Liaison Committee for Medical Education (LCME) that they have revoked accreditation for the San Juan Bautista Medical School in Puerto Rico effective October 3, 2011.
As a result of this action all students currently enrolled in the San Juan Bautista Medical are ineligible to enter an ACGME accredited training program. Specifically, currently enrolled 4th year medical students completing training in June 2012, who are in the process of applying and interviewing for residency positions, are considered ineligible as they will not have completed their training in an LCME accredited medical school.
This document is for informational purposes only for your consideration as you begin to interview and recruit for your residency positions.
Please note that all recent graduates from San Juan Bautista prior to October 3, 2011 are considered to have completed their training in an LCME accredited medical school and are therefore eligible for ACGME residency positions.
The AAMC has also sent a communiqué regarding this to the GME community regarding the impact on ERAS, a copy of which follows this announcement.
The AAMC has established a web site to provide information to SJB students: https://www.aamc.org/students/sjb/"
Additional Information Regarding San Juan Bautista Students from ERAS Dear Program Directors, You may have heard that effective October 3, 2011, the LCME withdrew accreditation from the educational program leading to the MD degree at the San Juan Bautista School of Medicine. Please
consult the LCME web site, www.lcme.org for the public announcement regarding their decision. ACGME's institutional requirements state that in order to be eligible for a position at an accredited program, the applicant must either be:  A graduate of a LCME-accredited medical school;  A graduate of an AOA-accredited medical school; or  A graduate of a foreign medical school with a current ECFMG certificate With respect to ERAS, this means that current 4th year San Juan Bautista students who plan to graduate in 2012 are ineligible for an ACGME-accredited residency program position. Please note, however, that prior year applicants who graduated from San Juan Bautista between August 1, 2007 and October 3,
2011 did graduate from an accredited medical school and are therefore eligible to pursue a position at an ACGME-accredited program. Currently, there are forty-two (42) 4th year students and thirty-five (35)
prior year applicants in the ERAS system. ERAS will contact residency programs that are directly impacted by the LCME decision. For the specific guidelines that outline applicant eligibility for pursuing a position in an ACGME-accredited residency program, please consult pages 3-4 of the ACGME Institutional Requirements on the ACMGE web site,
http://www.acgme.org/acWebsite/irc/irc_IRCpr07012007.pdf
If you need assistance locating San Juan Bautista applicants in your PDWS or other ERAS-specific assistance, please contact the ERAS HelpLine at [email protected] or call 202 828-0413.
 
Did anyone else just check to see when LCME would be over to do the accreditation survey at their school?:scared: I do not want to be in the position of these students.

I hope the program directors have compassion for the 4th year students.
 
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT, October, 3, 2011
LCME Withdraws Accreditation from the San Juan Bautista School of Medicine.[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Effective October 3, 2011, the LCME has withdrawn accreditation from the educational program leading to the MD degree at the San Juan Bautista School of Medicine. This decision was based primarily on the LCME's assessment of inadequate clinical resources. This decision is final. The notification letter sent to the program informed it of its right to provide official comment to the U.S. Department of Education and to the LCME. If the program chooses to exercise this option, copies of the comments will be made available to the public by request. A copy of the letter notifying the program of this decision is available here. .
 
Subpoena guy said:
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT, October, 3, 2011
LCME Withdraws Accreditation from the San Juan Bautista School of Medicine.[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Effective October 3, 2011, the LCME has withdrawn accreditation from the educational program leading to the MD degree at the San Juan Bautista School of Medicine. This decision was based primarily on the LCME's assessment of inadequate clinical resources. This decision is final. The notification letter sent to the program informed it of its right to provide official comment to the U.S. Department of Education and to the LCME. If the program chooses to exercise this option, copies of the comments will be made available to the public by request. A copy of the letter notifying the program of this decision is available here. .
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I'm guessing you haven't read any part of this thread. We know!
 
Miss Alyssa said:
Did anyone else just check to see when LCME would be over to do the accreditation survey at their school?:scared: I do not want to be in the position of these students.

I hope the program directors have compassion for the 4th year students.
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This is why it's important to pay attention to where clinical rotations are done. For example, the Detroit Medical Center was going bankrupt a few years back. They also had a contentious relationship with Wayne State. It certainly was a reason to worry about Wayne State when I was applying to medical school. The DMC at least isn't going belly-up since Vangard bought them, but I'm not sure how things are now. Baylor had some similar rumblings 2-3 years ago.

The lesson is, ask the medical students where they do their rotations. Are there other medical schools around who are competing for spots? If worried enough, do a quick google search of the hospitals to see if there are worrisome articles out there.
 
HumbleMD said:
This is why it's important to pay attention to where clinical rotations are done. For example, the Detroit Medical Center was going bankrupt a few years back. They also had a contentious relationship with Wayne State. It certainly was a reason to worry about Wayne State when I was applying to medical school. The DMC at least isn't going belly-up since Vangard bought them, but I'm not sure how things are now. Baylor had some similar rumblings 2-3 years ago.

The lesson is, ask the medical students where they do their rotations. Are there other medical schools around who are competing for spots? If worried enough, do a quick google search of the hospitals to see if there are worrisome articles out there.
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This x1000000000000e^100000

Some of these schools don't actually have their own teaching hospitals or they don't have enough space to accommodate all of their students, but rely on local area hospitals to take the med students on.

This is similar to some of the New York schools that are getting very agitated with the Caribbean schools coming in and "stealing" the clerkship spots. When in reality, the med schools in NY were running a monopoly. Caribbean schools come in and offer to PAY the hospitals to let their students rotate there....

A wise man once told me... "Remove the word no from your vocabulary... don't ever use it around me. There is ALWAYS a way. EVERYBODY has their price."

The guy who said this to me was...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Schulich

read up on him. he's pretty much the bo$$.
 
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