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...Sorry , if my English is not completelly correct . My native language is another ...
I saw a humans , that have illness in schizophrenia . This my expirience make have suspicion , that all or almost all kitten , that was in agressive conditions of City , is ill with schizophrenia .
All cats , that I saw , and that had a street childhood , - they are have an abnormous fears , and they wrack a discipline in the ways , that very alike in that , such way have are humans , that ill in difficult form of schizophrenia ...
What You think about my thinking ?
...Sorry , I have no education .
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Not likely to be schizophrenia -- Probably just cattitude.
 
DokterMom said:
Not likely to be schizophrenia -- Probably just cattitude.
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Of course , cats have a lot of differences from us .
But - how I saw - it is enough for cat to spend in street a 4-8 hours for that she-he will be make actions , that killed a discipline - for the rest of her-his life . And it is enough for cat in childhood to not spand any moment at street for that she-he always use toilet and to not affraid of fast acting sounds and objects ...
 
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I don't know what the term schizophrenia refers to in your culture or language, but in the US it generally refers to problems with reality. Hearing voices that aren't real or thinking that the government is plotting against you in some bizarre way would be a couple of examples of that. A cat that has been abused and is afraid is demonstrating learned behavior. We all learn to be afraid when something bad happens to us.
 
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Herod said:
Of course , cats have a lot of differences from us .
But - how I saw - it is enough for cat to spend in street a 4-8 hours for that she-he will be make actions , that killed a discipline - for the rest of her-his life . And it is enough for cat in childhood to not spand any moment at street for that she-he always use toilet and to not affraid of fast acting sounds and objects ...
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Read what smalltownpsych said. Also, this will be helpful for you. http://www.simplypsychology.org/pavlov.html
 
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Goro said:
I have to ask, colleague, how did you wander into this section of SDN???
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Just discovered the 'New Posts' button. And had been discussing 'Cattitude' with Hubby earlier this morning after the feral stray we've been feeding hissed at him. (She apparently has not forgiven us yet for having her spayed two years ago.)
 
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Catnip works wonders, as does tuna!

DokterMom said:
Just discovered the 'New Posts' button. And had been discussing 'Cattitude' with Hubby earlier this morning after the feral stray we've been feeding hissed at him. (She apparently has not forgiven us yet for having her spayed two years ago.)
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Herod said:
...Sorry , if my English is not completelly correct . My native language is another ...
I saw a humans , that have illness in schizophrenia . This my expirience make have suspicion , that all or almost all kitten , that was in agressive conditions of City , is ill with schizophrenia .
All cats , that I saw , and that had a street childhood , - they are have an abnormous fears , and they wrack a discipline in the ways , that very alike in that , such way have are humans , that ill in difficult form of schizophrenia ...
What You think about my thinking ?
...Sorry , I have no education .
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I think you should post this question in the Veterinary Forum. Most of us in psychology only deal with human mental illness. The Vet Forum is here: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/forums/veterinary.164/
 
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Actually it's still very much applicable to human mental illness in terms of the translational research. Lots of animal schizophrenia models, although they tend to deal more with negative symptoms, as the positive symptoms translations are difficult to conceptualize. Additionally, cats show high levels of toxoplasmo gondii infections, of which there are some relationships with schizophrenia in humans and in odd behaviors in other vertebrates.
 
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WisNeuro said:
Actually it's still very much applicable to human mental illness in terms of the translational research. Lots of animal schizophrenia models, although they tend to deal more with negative symptoms, as the positive symptoms translations are difficult to conceptualize. Additionally, cats show high levels of toxoplasmo gondii infections, of which there are some relationships with schizophrenia in humans and in odd behaviors in other vertebrates.
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Wait a sec, is this an area of research that you were already familiar with or did you just look it up today? :cool: I thought I had wide ranging interests and knowledge in the field, but this just puts me to shame as I had never even heard about this area of research until now. :oops:
 
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smalltownpsych said:
Wait a sec, is this an area of research that you were already familiar with or did you just look it up today? :cool: I thought I had wide ranging interests and knowledge in the field, but this just puts me to shame as I had never even heard about this area of research until now. :oops:
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When I get bored I read journal articles. Mostly in neuro related fields, but also in psychopharm and the translational research. I used to do a good deal of imaging and psychophysiology with PTSD, so I followed a good deal of translational animal models for various disorders.
 
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WisNeuro said:
When I get bored I read journal articles. Mostly in neuro related fields, but also in psychopharm and the translational research. I used to do a good deal of imaging and psychophysiology with PTSD, so I followed a good deal of translational animal models for various disorders.
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:=|:-):
I used to read a lot more articles in wide ranging areas, but these days it has become a challenge as I crank out the RVUs.
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One reason that I like to frequent this board is that I do get some of my information fix and it fits easily into my 5 minute chunks of available time.
 
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WisNeuro said:
When I get bored I read journal articles. Mostly in neuro related fields, but also in psychopharm and the translational research. I used to do a good deal of imaging and psychophysiology with PTSD, so I followed a good deal of translational animal models for various disorders.
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Ha, I was aware of this area but that's because I love cats.
 
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Herod said:
...Sorry , if my English is not completelly correct . My native language is another ...
I saw a humans , that have illness in schizophrenia . This my expirience make have suspicion , that all or almost all kitten , that was in agressive conditions of City , is ill with schizophrenia .
All cats , that I saw , and that had a street childhood , - they are have an abnormous fears , and they wrack a discipline in the ways , that very alike in that , such way have are humans , that ill in difficult form of schizophrenia ...
What You think about my thinking ?
...Sorry , I have no education .
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Greetings fellow non student :) Rescuing and rehabilitating cats that would otherwise have difficulty finding a permanent home is kind of a passion of mine, and that has included occasionally working with several varieties of feral cats. I'm assuming you're from a country where rabies is present? Depending on how extreme the cat's behaviour is that would probably be my first concern (I certainly wouldn't attempt to approach any of these cats without proper protection). Other than that, cats who have been born wild and had little to not positive interactions with humans can seem to behave very differently to your average house cat or even a local stray, so what you're observing is probably the normal behaviour of a feral cat.
 
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Ceke2002 said:
Greetings fellow non student :) Rescuing and rehabilitating cats that would otherwise have difficulty finding a permanent home is kind of a passion of mine, and that has included occasionally working with several varieties of feral cats. I'm assuming you're from a country where rabies is present? Depending on how extreme the cat's behaviour is that would probably be my first concern (I certainly wouldn't attempt to approach any of these cats without proper protection). Other than that, cats who have been born wild and had little to not positive interactions with humans can seem to behave very differently to your average house cat or even a local stray, so what you're observing is probably the normal behaviour of a feral cat.
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So what's your recommendation on feral cats? We have a few in the neighborhood and lots of squirrels and birds. What we've generally done is feed-trap-neuter the cats when the opportunity presents itself, but I know there are mixed views on this...
 
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So what's your recommendation on feral cats? We have a few in the neighborhood and lots of squirrels and birds. What we've generally done is feed-trap-neuter the cats when the opportunity presents itself, but I know there are mixed views on this...
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I am on the trap-neuter-release side of the debate, but if you're talking about a colony of feral cats then I wouldn't be inclined to just leave food out for them unless I could a) identify their main gathering point and b) I knew I was going to be living in the area long enough and/or there were other people involved in feeding them as well so as not to get them used to receiving food from humans and then ending up with a disaster on your hands when the humans feeding them suddenly up and leave and the cats are then making a nuisance of themselves looking for other people to feed them. I've never actually lived in an area long enough, or been sure enough about long term residence in an area that I would feed a colony of feral cats, that I leave to others. Occasionally though you do get the odd individual feral, semi feral or reverted feral that wanders into your yard and then you have to make a decision on whether or not you're going to try and resocialise or tame it. Again if you can't commit to the cat long term (even fully resocialised feral cats are almost impossible to rehome from experience, because they bond too closely with their initial care taker) I wouldn't recommend you actively encourage the cat to stick around. It can take anywhere from a few months to a couple of years to properly socialise, or re-socialise a feral cat and with some of them full socialisation will never take place, so you have to be prepared to be in it for the long haul and to not necessarily reap the rewards you're looking for at the end.

Having said all that I also live in Australia where we have feral bush cats, a lot of whom are suspected to be descendants of ship's cats that got loose as far back as a couple hundred years ago. So you're not talking about a bunch of city street cats, you're talking about a completely wild animal that has bred and lived with almost no human contact for upwards of 2 centuries. As a cat lover it pains me to say, but in this case if population numbers are out of control then you have to start looking at humane culling programs. As it is some of the local indigenous populations in certain areas, who still at least partly live off the land, hunt these cats as part of their diet and see them as being no different to hunting kangaroo or goanna. I've seen bush feral pelts collected by a trapper once as well, they were unbelievably big, these cats can grow to way larger than average sizes so ain't nobody gonna be coming along with a box of cat biscuits and taming one of these things any time soon. I don't necessarily agree with baiting or poisoning programs in this instant, because I don't like the idea that they might cause suffering to the animal, but a clean shot straight to the head from an experienced hunter I think is generally the right way to go.
 
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Depending upon where you live, there might be an animal rescue, or a cat rescue group to help out. I have friends who have done this.


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So what's your recommendation on feral cats? We have a few in the neighborhood and lots of squirrels and birds. What we've generally done is feed-trap-neuter the cats when the opportunity presents itself, but I know there are mixed views on this...
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smalltownpsych said:
I don't know what the term schizophrenia refers to in your culture or language, but in the US it generally refers to problems with reality...
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Yes , I know the same facts about it . And , I think , that causes of some actions of cats may be caused by some hallutinations , - which direct cat do the same incorrect actions (as spoilage some different things with urine) , that may do human with schizophrenia ... It is very interesting , that not only cat-boy is spoil thing with his urine - the cat-girls makes the same actions .
 
Herod said:
Yes , I know the same facts about it . And , I think , that causes of some actions of cats may be caused by some hallutinations , - which direct cat do the same incorrect actions (as spoilage some different things with urine) , that may do human with schizophrenia ... It is very interesting , that not only cat-boy is spoil thing with his urine - the cat-girls makes the same actions .
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Actually that's just cats marking their territory- it's how they let other cats know that they own an area.

My gf has a weird cat though- it'll just stare at nothing and meow as if something is terribly wrong for quite a while, then stop, or follow things that aren't there with its head and eyes, behavior that does seem consistent with visual and auditory hallucinations. She also is extremely fearful, even of my girlfriend, despite having a basically wonderful and trauma-free life, which could be symptoms consistent with paranoia.
 
Ceke2002 said:
...I'm assuming you're from a country where rabies is present? Depending on how extreme the cat's behaviour is that would probably be my first concern (I certainly wouldn't attempt to approach any of these cats without proper protection). Other than that, cats who have been born wild and had little to not positive interactions with humans can seem to behave very differently to your average house cat or even a local stray, so what you're observing is probably the normal behaviour of a feral cat.
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Actually , I say mostly about behavior of cats , in what cat always searches a ways to spoil with urine as much things , as much they will be can ... It is important , that such actions is suitable not only for cat-boys , but also for cat-girls .
 
There's no relation between schizophrenics behavior and cats behavior. Neuro anatomically, there is an incredible difference. I can has cheeseburgers. Individuals in the schizophrenia spectrum do not demonstrate similar urination behaviors as cats. Cats can't get schizophrenia because their brains are incredibly different and their behavior is highly driven by their spinal cords. They do make decent models for sleep. Feral cats are weird. You have bad cats. Feral children don't act like cats. There's some association between toxoplasmosis and schizophrenia. Except Hemingway really was being tracked by the govt and had a polydactyl cat named Celestine before he shot himself with an Abercrombie shotgun. If you think there are werecats, it's smugglers in a mask trying to scare off you meddling kids and that talking dog. If a big cat can roar, it can't pur. Thunder cats wouldn't be able to survive beyond one generation because of they would have to be different species. The Detroit Tigers once had to pitch against a "little person" whose strike zone was barely larger than the ball.
 
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There's no relation between schizophrenics behavior and cats behavior. Neuro anatomically, there is an incredible difference. I can has cheeseburgers. Individuals in the schizophrenia spectrum do not demonstrate similar urination behaviors as cats. Cats can't get schizophrenia because their brains are incredibly different and their behavior is highly driven by their spinal cords. They do make decent models for sleep. Feral cats are weird. You have bad cats. Feral children don't act like cats. There's some association between toxoplasmosis and schizophrenia. Except Hemingway really was being tracked by the govt and had a polydactyl cat named Celestine before he shot himself with an Abercrombie shotgun. If you think there are werecats, it's smugglers in a mask trying to scare off you meddling kids and that talking dog. If a big cat can roar, it can't pur. Thunder cats wouldn't be able to survive beyond one generation because of they would have to be different species. The Detroit Tigers once had to pitch against a "little person" whose strike zone was barely larger than the ball.
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Finally a post that makes sense.
 
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My cat would like everyone to know that his urinary habits are impeccable and that he is not psychotic (though a bit narcissistic).
 
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My cat would like everyone to know that his urinary habits are impeccable and that he is not psychotic (though a bit narcissistic).
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Your cat is narcissistic too? What a coincidence! I have three cats and it is just so always all about them. They have no consideration for my feelings whatsoever. Just because they are cute and cuddly and can purr, they think that entitles them to pretty much everything they want. One wants out, then the other wants to be petted, then the other wants a treat, then he wants back in, then she wants to sleep on my head, then the other won't move off my spot on the couch, then they want to be combed, then they are bringing birds in the house, then they throw up hairballs. It is like a never ending three-ring circus. Thank goodness my wife handles the litter or I might need to join a support group or something.
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Your cat is narcissistic too? What a coincidence! I have three cats and it is just so always all about them. They have no consideration for my feelings whatsoever. Just because they are cute and cuddly and can purr, they think that entitles them to pretty much everything they want. One wants out, then the other wants to be petted, then the other wants a treat, then he wants back in, then she wants to sleep on my head, then the other won't move off my spot on the couch, then they want to be combed, then they are bringing birds in the house, then they throw up hairballs. It is like a never ending three-ring circus. Thank goodness my wife handles the litter or I might need to join a support group or something.
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You do know that owning three cats is enough to meet DSM-5 criteria for "crazy cat hoarder," right?
 
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Keeping 1 person in a room dressed in a cat outfit is enough to qualify as "kidnapping".

What a crazy summer.
 
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