Secondaries that are Already Out ('07)

[jsnuka]

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What is USH... uh whatever it was? I second the vote for using full names

USUHS= Uniformed Services University for the Health Sciences aka F. Edward Hebert School of Medicine oka miltary medical school

http://www.usuhs.mil

 

[jackieMD2007]

Schools sending EMAIL invitations to secondaries:

Case Western [2 essays]
Columbia [1 long essay 2475 characters, 4 short lists]
Georgetown
George Washington
Medical College of Wisconsin (MCW) [No Essays]
Ohio State University (OSU) [2 Essays, 600 words or less]
Robert Wood Johnson (UMDNJ-RWJ)
Saint Louis University
Uniformed Services University (USUHS)
University of Arkansas (UAMS)
University of Chicago [3 essays]
University of Florida
University of Miami (As of 6/30, SDN'ers started getting invites)
University of Michigan
University of Kentucky

Secondaries available for viewing on Med School's website:

AECOM
Baylor
Creighton
EVMS
Johns Hopkins
SUNY Downstate
SUNY Stony Brook
Tulane
Washington University (St. Louis)
Yale

Acknowledgements of Application/Screening via Email,
(But not a secondary invite, yet)

Southern Illinois University
University of Washington
University of Wisconsin
UCSD
University of Miami (Sent out Invites 6-30)
VCU
Emory--Email says invites going out by end July

 

[narc]

Schools sending EMAIL invitations to secondaries:

Case Western [2 essays]
Columbia [1 long essay 2475 characters, 4 short lists]
Georgetown
George Washington
Medical College of Wisconsin (MCW) [No Essays]
Ohio State University (OSU) [2 Essays, 600 words or less]
Robert Wood Johnson (UMDNJ-RWJ)
Saint Louis University
Uniformed Services University (USUHS)
University of Arkansas (UAMS)
University of Chicago [3 essays]
University of Florida
University of Miami (As of 6/30, SDN'ers started getting invites)
University of Michigan
University of Kentucky
University of Washington

Secondaries available for viewing on Med School's website:

AECOM
Baylor
Creighton
EVMS
Johns Hopkins
SUNY Downstate
SUNY Stony Brook
Tulane
Washington University (St. Louis)
Yale

Acknowledgements of Application/Screening via Email,
(But not a secondary invite, yet)

Southern Illinois University
University of Wisconsin
UCSD
University of Miami (Sent out Invites 6-30)
VCU
Emory--Email says invites going out by end July

UW is not sending invites yet, just confirming they have your application. Sounds like it will still be a few weeks before they send them out.

 

[jackieMD2007]

Schools sending EMAIL invitations to secondaries:

Case Western [2 essays]
Columbia [1 long essay 2475 characters, 4 short lists]
Georgetown
George Washington
Medical College of Wisconsin (MCW) [No Essays]
Ohio State University (OSU) [2 Essays, 600 words or less]
Robert Wood Johnson (UMDNJ-RWJ)
Saint Louis University
Uniformed Services University (USUHS)
University of Arkansas (UAMS)
University of Chicago [3 essays]
University of Florida
University of Miami (As of 6/30, SDN'ers started getting invites)
University of Michigan
University of Kentucky

Secondaries available for viewing on Med School's website:

AECOM
Baylor
Creighton
EVMS
Johns Hopkins
SUNY Downstate
SUNY Stony Brook
Tulane
Washington University (St. Louis)
Yale

Acknowledgements of Application/Screening via Email,
(But not a secondary invite, yet)

Southern Illinois University
University of Washington
University of Wisconsin
UCSD
University of Miami (Sent out Invites 6-30)
VCU
Emory--Email says invites going out by end July

 

[aliziry]

I received a secondary from Medical College of Georgia today.

 

[Duchess742]

UM = Univ of Miami?; I have a 29Q OOS. Did they say don't even bother applying with < 30?

here's what that part of the secondary email said:

If you have any problems or questions, contact the Office of Admissions at (305)-243-3234. Remember, however, that to receive full committee consideration, you must have a minimum composite MCAT score of 24 and you must have taken the exam in 2004 or later. To be truly competitive non-Florida applicants should have an MCAT score of 30 or higher.

so it sounds like they're trying to say that they might send you a secondary, but it's prob not worth filling it out if you don't meet their req's? but you never know, though. i'd think that a 29 would have a fighting chance since it's so close to what they asked for. you should call that # and ask them.

 

[Twitch]

here's what that part of the secondary email said:


so it sounds like they're trying to say that they might send you a secondary, but it's prob not worth filling it out if you don't meet their req's? but you never know, though. i'd think that a 29 would have a fighting chance since it's so close to what they asked for. you should call that # and ask them.

Thanks D!

 

[Bubblehead-to-MD]

Thanks D!

you must have a minimum composite MCAT score of 24 and you must have taken the exam in 2004 or later. To be truly competitive non-Florida applicants should have an MCAT score of 30 or higher.

Take note of the difference in the wording used here. The minimum score of 24 is an absolute cutoff. Having a score of 30 or higher will make you more competitive as an OOS applicant. This is totally subjective, and I think that since you are on the cusp, you can still make yourself competitive with your ECs and that very important PS. I say go for it! Good !

 

[ChymeChancellor]

Chyme...would you mind posting that link? I have all of the material from last year, and I want to verify that there weren't any changes. Thanks!

http://www.usuhs.mil/adm/suppinstr.html

 

[Bubblehead-to-MD]

http://www.usuhs.mil/adm/suppinstr.html

Chyme, you rock! 👍 Thanks for the link...it doesn't look like anything has changed from last year!

 

[nager105]

Schools sending EMAIL invitations to secondaries:

Case Western [2 essays]
Columbia [1 long essay 2475 characters, 4 short lists]
Georgetown
George Washington
Medical College of Wisconsin (MCW) [No Essays]
Ohio State University (OSU) [2 Essays, 600 words or less]
Robert Wood Johnson (UMDNJ-RWJ)
Saint Louis University
Uniformed Services University (USUHS)
University of Arkansas (UAMS)
University of Chicago [3 essays]
University of Florida
University of Miami (As of 6/30, SDN'ers started getting invites)
University of Michigan
University of Kentucky

Secondaries available for viewing on Med School's website:

AECOM
Baylor
Creighton
EVMS
Johns Hopkins
SUNY Downstate
SUNY Stony Brook
Tulane
Washington University (St. Louis)
Yale

Acknowledgements of Application/Screening via Email,
(But not a secondary invite, yet)

Southern Illinois University
University of Washington
University of Wisconsin
UCSD
University of Miami (Sent out Invites 6-30)
University of Rochester (Secondary available July 17)
VCU
Emory--Email says invites going out by end July

I received a letter from U of R today saying that they had my primary and that the secondary would be available on the 17th of July.
Good luck to everyone who has already started filling out/sent secondaries!!!

 

[aliziry]

Schools sending EMAIL invitations to secondaries:

Case Western [2 essays]
Columbia [1 long essay 2475 characters, 4 short lists]
Georgetown
George Washington
Medical College of Georgia (MCG) (4 short essays)
Medical College of Wisconsin (MCW) [No Essays]
Ohio State University (OSU) [2 Essays, 600 words or less]
Robert Wood Johnson (UMDNJ-RWJ)
Saint Louis University
Uniformed Services University (USUHS)
University of Arkansas (UAMS)
University of Chicago [3 essays]
University of Florida
University of Miami (As of 6/30, SDN'ers started getting invites)
University of Michigan
University of Kentucky

Secondaries available for viewing on Med School's website:

AECOM
Baylor
Creighton
EVMS
Johns Hopkins
SUNY Downstate
SUNY Stony Brook
Tulane
Washington University (St. Louis)
Yale

Acknowledgements of Application/Screening via Email,
(But not a secondary invite, yet)

Southern Illinois University
University of Washington
University of Wisconsin
UCSD
University of Miami (Sent out Invites 6-30)
University of Rochester (Secondary available July 17)
VCU
Emory--Email says invites going out by end July

 

[rajad10]

bump

 

[jackieMD2007]

Schools sending EMAIL invitations to secondaries:

Case Western [2 essays]
Columbia [1 long essay 2475 characters, 4 short lists]
Georgetown
George Washington
Medical College of Georgia (MCG) (4 short essays)
Medical College of Wisconsin (MCW) [No Essays]
Ohio State University (OSU) [2 Essays, 600 words or less]
Robert Wood Johnson (UMDNJ-RWJ)
Saint Louis University
Uniformed Services University (USUHS)
University of Arkansas (UAMS)
University of Chicago [3 essays]
University of Florida
University of Miami (As of 6/30, SDN'ers started getting invites)
University of Michigan
University of Kentucky

Secondaries available for viewing on Med School's website:

AECOM
Baylor
Creighton
EVMS
Johns Hopkins
SUNY Downstate
SUNY Stony Brook
Tulane
Washington University (St. Louis)
Yale

Acknowledgements of Application/Screening via Email,
(But not a secondary invite, yet)
Emory--Email says invites going out by end July
Southern Illinois University (SIU)
University of California, San Diego (UCSD)
University of Washington
University of Wisconsin
University of Miami (Sent out Invites 6-30, see above)
University of Rochester (Secondary available July 17)
VCU

 

[Duchess742]

you must have a minimum composite MCAT score of 24 and you must have taken the exam in 2004 or later. To be truly competitive non-Florida applicants should have an MCAT score of 30 or higher.

Take note of the difference in the wording used here. The minimum score of 24 is an absolute cutoff. Having a score of 30 or higher will make you more competitive as an OOS applicant. This is totally subjective, and I think that since you are on the cusp, you can still make yourself competitive with your ECs and that very important PS. I say go for it! Good !

thanks for that glass-is-half-full interpretation 😉

is jackie your wife or something? i'm getting to be big a fan of hers after this kick-ass thread

 

[Bubblehead-to-MD]

thanks for that glass-is-half-full interpretation 😉

Hey...that's just the kind of guy I am!

is jackie your wife or something?

Actually, we're just SDN lovers...ssshhh...we don't want our spouses to find out! 😉

i'm getting to be big a fan of hers after this kick-ass thread

Why do think I started making out with her in the first place?!

 

[jackieMD2007]

Hey...that's just the kind of guy I am!



Actually, we're just SDN lovers...ssshhh...we don't want our spouses to find out! 😉



Why do think I started making out with her in the first place?!

Ummm...I thought that it was because we were both married, that it wasn't cheating? 😕 Oh well. I can't resist a man in uniform! 😱

 

[Bubblehead-to-MD]

Ummm...I thought that it was because we were both married, that it wasn't cheating? 😕 Oh well. I can't resist a man in uniform! 😱

Damn! I knew there was a good reason I had used to justify all of this!

 

[DF38]

I just got an email for NJMS's secondary. It was attached to the email as a word document, no link. And it's nice and easy - if you're in-state, there's no essays! 😀

 

[erleichda]

I just got an email for NJMS's secondary. It was attached to the email as a word document, no link. And it's nice and easy - if you're in-state, there's no essays! 😀

just got mine too 🙂
i think i'm getting spoiled by these secondaries without essays

 

[Caristra]

Schools sending EMAIL invitations to secondaries:

Case Western [2 essays]
Columbia [1 long essay 2475 characters, 4 short lists]
Georgetown
George Washington
Medical College of Georgia (MCG) (4 short essays)
Medical College of Wisconsin (MCW) [No Essays]
Ohio State University (OSU) [2 Essays, 600 words or less]
Robert Wood Johnson (UMDNJ-RWJ)
Saint Louis University
Uniformed Services University (USUHS)
University of Arkansas (UAMS)
University of Chicago [3 essays]
University of Florida
University of Miami (As of 6/30, SDN'ers started getting invites)
University of Michigan
UMDNJ-NJMS
University of Kentucky

Secondaries available for viewing on Med School's website:

AECOM
Baylor
Creighton
EVMS
Johns Hopkins
SUNY Downstate
SUNY Stony Brook
Tulane
Washington University (St. Louis)
Yale

Acknowledgements of Application/Screening via Email,
(But not a secondary invite, yet)
Emory--Email says invites going out by end July
Southern Illinois University (SIU)
University of California, San Diego (UCSD)
University of Washington
University of Wisconsin
University of Miami (Sent out Invites 6-30, see above)
University of Rochester (Secondary available July 17)
VCU

I got one too, and I am not verified yet. I'm out of state so I have to fill out the essays, but they don't seem to have anything extra for MD/PHD. Finally, a school that reads the three AMCAS essays I had to write 👍

 

[SeminoleFan3]

I just got the VCU status change email. I'm now permitted to fill out their secondary (it's screened from what the MSAR says).

 

[sintheta]

I just got the VCU status change email. I'm now permitted to fill out their secondary (it's screened from what the MSAR says).

Is Michigan's screened? If I didn't get the secondary yet should I assume I didn't make the cutoff? 🙁

 

[jackieMD2007]

Schools sending out Email invitations to Secondary:
Case Western [2 essays]
Columbia [1 long essay 2475 characters, 4 short lists]
Georgetown
George Washington
Medical College of Georgia (MCG) (4 short essays)
Medical College of Wisconsin (MCW) [No Essays]
Ohio State University (OSU) [2 Essays, 600 words or less]
Robert Wood Johnson (UMDNJ-RWJ)
Saint Louis University
Uniformed Services University (USUHS)
University of Arkansas (UAMS)
University of Chicago [3 essays]
University of Florida
University of Miami (A screener but as of 6/30, SDN'ers getting through!)
University of Michigan
UMDNJ-NJMS
University of Kentucky
VCU (A Screener but as of 7-1, SDN'ers getting through!)

Secondaries available for viewing on Med School's website:

AECOM
Baylor
Creighton
EVMS
Johns Hopkins
SUNY Downstate
SUNY Stony Brook
Tulane
Washington University (St. Louis)
Yale

Acknowledgements of Application/Screening via Email,
(But not a secondary invite, yet)
Emory--Email says invites going out by end July
Southern Illinois University (SIU)
University of California, San Diego (UCSD)
University of Washington
University of Wisconsin
University of Miami (Sent out Invites 6-30, see above)
University of Rochester (Secondary available July 17)
VCU (People started passing screens 7-1)

Woo! Keep the info rolling guys.
Writing secondaries is....really something.

 

[maestro1625]

Is Michigan's screened? If I didn't get the secondary yet should I assume I didn't make the cutoff? 🙁

michigan = not screened.

 

[jackieMD2007]

Is Michigan's screened? If I didn't get the secondary yet should I assume I didn't make the cutoff? 🙁

When were you verified? It took me three days after I was verified to start getting invites. I was verified on Friday, June 23rd and didn't get emails until Monday Night, June 26th.

Heres the list for Page 8:

Schools sending out Email invitations to Secondary:

Case Western [2 essays]
Columbia [1 long essay 2475 characters, 4 short lists]
Georgetown
George Washington
Medical College of Georgia (MCG) (4 short essays)
Medical College of Wisconsin (MCW) [No Essays]
Ohio State University (OSU) [2 Essays, 600 words or less]
Robert Wood Johnson (UMDNJ-RWJ)
Saint Louis University
Uniformed Services University (USUHS)
University of Arkansas (UAMS)
University of Chicago [3 essays]
University of Florida
University of Miami (A screener but as of 6/30, SDN'ers getting through!)
University of Michigan
UMDNJ-NJMS
University of Kentucky
VCU (A Screener but as of 7-1, SDN'ers getting through!)

Secondaries available for viewing on Med School's website:

AECOM
Baylor
Creighton
EVMS
Johns Hopkins
SUNY Downstate
SUNY Stony Brook
Tulane
Washington University (St. Louis)
Yale

Acknowledgements of Application/Screening via Email,
(But not a secondary invite, yet)

Emory--Email says invites going out by end July
Southern Illinois University (SIU)
University of California, San Diego (UCSD)
University of Washington
University of Wisconsin
University of Miami (Sent out Invites 6-30, see above)
University of Rochester (Secondary available July 17)
VCU (People started passing screens 7-1)

 

[jackieMD2007]

Bump for Monday. Let's see if the wave of secondaries comes this first week of July like everyone always says. Urban legend, or truth?

Also, congrats to the people who have passed screening at the various schools. Way to go!

 

[narc]

Bump for Monday. Let's see if the wave of secondaries comes this first week of July like everyone always says. Urban legend, or truth?

Also, congrats to the people who have passed screening at the various schools. Way to go!

Applying to schools that screen didnt help.
I have until Thursday to turn in Miami's secondary. 90% chance I won't do it 👎

 

[braluk]

i have a very good spreadsheet i received from my alma mater's premed committee that compiled the most recent MSAR Stats. I will post here what I see as the schools that have recorded that they screen:

AL Alabama, South
AZ Arizona
CA UC Davis
CA UC Irvine
CA UC San Diego
CA UC San Francisco
CA UCLA
FL Florida State
FL U of Floria
FL U of Miami
FL U of South Florida
GA Mercer
GA Morehouse
HI Hawaii
IA Iowa
IL Loyola-Stritch
IL Southern Illinois
IL U of Illinois
IN Indiana
KS Kansas
KY U of Kentucky
KY U of Louisville
MI Michigan State
MI Wayne State
MN Minnesota - Twin Cities
MO U Missouri - Columbia
MS Mississippi
NC East Carolina (Brody)
NC U North Carolina
NC Wake Forest
NE Nebraska
NM New Mexico
NV Nevada
OH Medical Univ of Ohio
OH Northeastern Ohio
OH Ohio State
OR Oregon
PA U Pittsburgh
SC U South Carolina
SD South Dakota
TN East Tenn State
TN U of Tennessee
TN Vanderbilt
UT Utah
VA Eastern Virginia
VA Virginia Commonwealth
WA U of Washington
WI U Wisconsin - Madison
WV West Virginia
WV Marshall (by state res)

I hope this will be helpful.

 

[Twitch]

i have a very good spreadsheet i received from my alma mater's premed committee that compiled the most recent MSAR Stats. I will post here what I see as the schools that have recorded that they screen:

AL Alabama, South
AZ Arizona
CA UC Davis
CA UC Irvine
CA UC San Diego
CA UC San Francisco
CA UCLA
FL Florida State
FL U of Floria
FL U of Miami
FL U of South Florida
GA Mercer
GA Morehouse
HI Hawaii
IA Iowa
IL Loyola-Stritch
IL Southern Illinois
IL U of Illinois
IN Indiana
KS Kansas
KY U of Kentucky
KY U of Louisville
MI Michigan State
MI Wayne State
MN Minnesota - Twin Cities
MO U Missouri - Columbia
MS Mississippi
NC East Carolina (Brody)
NC U North Carolina
NC Wake Forest
NE Nebraska
NM New Mexico
NV Nevada
OH Medical Univ of Ohio
OH Northeastern Ohio
OH Ohio State
OR Oregon
PA U Pittsburgh
SC U South Carolina
SD South Dakota
TN East Tenn State
TN U of Tennessee
TN Vanderbilt
UT Utah
VA Eastern Virginia
VA Virginia Commonwealth
WA U of Washington
WI U Wisconsin - Madison
WV West Virginia
WV Marshall (by state res)

I hope this will be helpful.

Ohio State does not screen.

 

[Haemulon]

Just got my first secondary from UMDNJ-NJMS. I submitted 6/30 and am not verified yet. Has 2 questions for out of state residents (space for one or two paragraphs each).

Edit: ooops. Just saw that it was already on the list.

 

[swim2md]

I received my secondary from Robert Wood Johnson last week, and sent it in right away. However, I just noticed at the bottom of their letter that it mentioned something about screening. Does anyone know what they screen for? Any GPA or MCAT minimums or just to make sure you have taken MCAT, etc.? It seemed like they were going to start screening after they get your check in the mail.....

 

[Haemulon]

I received my secondary from Robert Wood Johnson last week, and sent it in right away. However, I just noticed at the bottom of their letter that it mentioned something about screening. Does anyone know what they screen for? Any GPA or MCAT minimums or just to make sure you have taken MCAT, etc.? It seemed like they were going to start screening after they get your check in the mail.....

Weird thing is the MSAR says "n/a" by the screening and secondary app sections for RWJ. But yet they still have an application fee. Was there much to their form? I havn't gotten mine yet (but am not verified yet anyway).

 

[hlchess]

I just received the email invite from Washington University in St. Louis!! 🙂

 

[DF38]

Weird thing is the MSAR says "n/a" by the screening and secondary app sections for RWJ. But yet they still have an application fee. Was there much to their form? I havn't gotten mine yet (but am not verified yet anyway).

There's nothing to it. Literally. They want you to submit your LOR's, and there is a form to send in with your fee, which just needs your name, AMCAS ID#, signature, and date (and the check, of course).

I 😍 the NJ schools.

 

[swim2md]

Someone mentioned Jefferson on the first page but it wasn't added to the list and I don't see anything on their webpage? Anybody know?

 

[Robizzle]

it is on their web page. u can print the written application but there is an online application that no one has access to yet. i really hope they give out logins/pins today. just look harder on their admissions site, it's there.

 

[jackieMD2007]

Schools sending out Email invitations to Secondary:

Case Western [2 essays]
Columbia [1 long essay 2475 characters, 4 short lists]
Georgetown
George Washington
Medical College of Georgia (MCG) (4 short essays)
Medical College of Wisconsin (MCW) [No Essays]
Ohio State University (OSU) [2 Essays, 600 words or less]
Robert Wood Johnson (UMDNJ-RWJ)
Saint Louis University
Uniformed Services University (USUHS)
University of Arkansas (UAMS)
University of Chicago [3 essays]
University of Florida
University of Miami (A screener but as of 6/30, SDN'ers getting through!)
University of Michigan
UMDNJ-NJMS
University of Kentucky
VCU (A Screener but as of 7-1, SDN'ers getting through!)

Secondaries available for viewing on Med School's website:

AECOM
Baylor
Creighton
EVMS
Jefferson
Johns Hopkins
SUNY Downstate
SUNY Stony Brook
Tulane
Washington University (St. Louis)
Yale

Acknowledgements of Application/Screening via Email,
(But not a secondary invite, yet)

Emory--Email says invites going out by end July
Southern Illinois University (SIU)
University of California, San Diego (UCSD)
University of Washington
University of Wisconsin
University of Miami (Sent out Invites 6-30, see above)
University of Rochester (Secondary available July 17)
VCU (People started passing screens 7-1)

 

[shantster]

I highly doubt getting any until Wednesday since it's the big holiday weekend.

 

[silkworm]

Anybody finds the U of Chicago's third essay a chore? Something like: please meditate upon the our holy mission statement. After genuflection is complete, proceed to prostrate yourself at our feet and explain how a GREAT fit you are to our most exemplary institution.

 

[spospo]

Anybody finds the U of Chicago's third essay a chore? Something like: please meditate upon the our holy mission statement. After genuflection is complete, proceed to prostrate yourself at our feet and explain how a GREAT fit you are to our most exemplary institution.

it is most definetly the hardest of the 3. i am trying to avoid it but i have finished the other two. i guess it is time to try my hand at it.

 

[Twitch]

I got a fat envelope from BCM today. With great excitement I tore it open - it was a booklet on admissions 😍 Ahh the little things....

 

[narc]

I got a fat envelope from BCM today. With great excitement I tore it open - it was a booklet on admissions 😍 Ahh the little things....

BCM = Baylor, correct?
Should have gone to work today to get the mail. Oh well

 

[Anastasis]

I got a fat envelope from BCM today. With great excitement I tore it open - it was a booklet on admissions 😍 Ahh the little things....

You got something from Baylor!! I want something from Baylor!! Unfortunately the mail is slower than hell down here. 🙁

 

[narc]

Anyone else get anything from rochester?
I seem to be in that first wave and have nothing from them yet.
Not that I need another stupid secondary sitting in my pile.

 

[Robizzle]

Anyone else get anything from rochester?
I seem to be in that first wave and have nothing from them yet.
Not that I need another stupid secondary sitting in my pile.

no i haven't gotten anything.
you can access their website and long on using your AMCAS ID. no one can touch the 2ndary til the 17th anyway.

and it's a real easy one so it won't sit in a pile 😀

 

[narc]

no i haven't gotten anything.
you can access their website and long on using your AMCAS ID. no one can touch the 2ndary til the 17th anyway.

and it's a real easy one so it won't sit in a pile 😀

Thank God! I am already sick and tired of writing these essays. Shouldn't have applied to every school under the sun.

 

[Robizzle]

Thank God! I am already sick and tired of writing these essays. Shouldn't have applied to every school under the sun.

lol i totally feel your pain.

 

[narc]

lol i totally feel your pain.

Hey Robizzle,
So you submitted Einstein? Did you get an email?
I read on their website that they suggest not sending anything until they verify your app.

 

[Robizzle]

Hey Robizzle,
So you submitted Einstein? Did you get an email?
I read on their website that they suggest not sending anything until they verify your app.

lol did they say that? well woopsiedoodle then. i e-mailed them, and they didn't respond so i just sent it. i'll call them later this week and if they've lost my materials i'll just resend. no biggie 🙂