Call yourself whatever you want. Physical therapy and occupational therapy students are saying stuff like this, so I just don't care anymore.
If it matters at all, I view podiatrists as equal to physicians, similar to how I view dentists, but I feel that it is disingenuous to call oneself a medical student for the same reason it would be disingenuous for a dentist to do so. It's not that you're less than, it's that you're different.
It probably just representing a premed student who had a great GPA and MCAT but taking out frustrations on other hang ups
You would in a rural setting..?
I mean, at my school the podiatry students take all the same classes as us DO students, so they're just as much medical students as we are.
Call yourself whatever you want. Physical therapy and occupational therapy students are saying stuff like this, so I just don't care anymore.
If it matters at all, I view podiatrists as equal to physicians, similar to how I view dentists, but I feel that it is disingenuous to call oneself a medical student for the same reason it would be disingenuous for a dentist to do so. It's not that you're less than, it's that you're different.
Everyone can guess that the school is Western U
For all of preclinical with the same exams and schedule?
I consider the clinical rotations, passing of boards and completion of the residency that comes with it to be important too...
Podiatry students do clinical rotations, pass boards, and complete a 3-4 year residency. The residency (including off service rotations through internal medicine, emergency department, general surgery, vascular surgery, plastic surgery, anesthesiology, infectious disease, neurology, path/micro lab, radiology, pediatrics and more all alongside the MD and/or DO residents at that particular hospital/hospital system) is what separates podiatry from fields like dental, optometry, etc.
Yup, same exams at the same time and damn near same schedule. Obviously they don't take OMM, but they have their own classes on top of the same ones we share. Personally, I don't care either way, but if I'm going to call myself a medical student, I would feel uncomfortable not calling our pods the same. I will admit however, that most podiatry students at our school as a whole are weaker than our DO students--enough for it to be evident, anyhow.
Podiatry students do all those things as well?
There is a difference in their clinical rotations, and it is substantial at most schools. I would be quite surprised if they did all of their classes with you, as podiatry requires substantial study in the first two years in regard to lower extremity anatomy, pathology, and intervention that can't be covered in the amount of time OMM takes. Their residencies are also not held to the same standard as ACGME-accredited residencies. Finally, do they have the same scoring standards as the DO students?
Only in that you have to pass the exam to get a residency. Podiatry is different in that our classes are graded and our board exams are pass/fail. So like someone said earlier in the thread, for DPMs and DOs taking the same classes it's usually a little more pressure for the DPMs since their grades matter.
Actually, there is a big push at our school to have the podiatry students take the USMLE.
Note that you keep saying "some." Curricula are highly variable by school, which leads to difficulties in generalizing podiatrist training
You know curriculums at MD schools aren't standardized and are highly variable, right?
They are all required to meet the same broad educational objectives in both preclinical and the clinical years. Podiatry schools have substantially lower requirements in regard to breadth of preclinical and clinical education.
The learning objectives and curriculum of each MD school is defined by the faculty of that school, per LCME. LCME gives almost no guidance whatsoever.
That's great but it's bull****
Whereas podiatry actually has ongoing projects to standardize their curricula.
They get to set the preclinical curriculum but there is mandatory content to be provided within that curriculum that covers the full breadth of preclinical medicine. What that constitutes ultimately comes down to LCME approval, but let's just say you're not going to get approval of a program that lacks any surgery months, IM months, peds, OB/Gyn, etc. Third year is pretty standardized due to the unwritten rules of the LCME.
This is why the merger is happening. There are groups that discriminate against those with AOA residencies due to differences in standards with the ACGME. Moving forward, all DOs will complete ACGME residencies from 2020 onward. As to the exams, they're really there to determine who gets into residency, and residency determines who becomes a physician that practices, so it's really a non-issue.
yo spongebob has his priorities straight hahaa
Well the DMD students at my university don't learn anatomy below the abdomen and don't do rotations outside of dentistry in their clinical years.
