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skeletons always end up biting you in the behind if you dont disclose them. some way, some how.
Touchdown said:You have got to be kidding me, you guys are still argueing after someone told you that an AMCA rep told them what to do. To quote the great Ferris Bueller: You guys are so tight that if you stuck a lump of coal up your butt, in two weeks you'd have a diamond.
Legally speaking it would be a bad idea for anyone else to rely on the response given to this poster, because it may be specific to him/her and not apply to all situations equally. Clearly the instructions manual says differently. You could always call up, hopefully also get the answer you want, and get the name of the person who gave you the info (even better send back a letter or email to him/her confirming the substance of the conversation). That way if you get questioned later, you have the defense of "reasonable reliance", which should hold water.remarkal3le said:Actually, I think you are correct. I'm reading the application help booklet and it says to list everything also. Does anyone mind calling to ask? They may not be on the same boat. The help guy I got didn't seem 100% sure anyway.
masterMood said:99 percent of you guys are probably not even under the same circumstances as the op. He took some initiative in high school to take community college classes, and he didn't realize at the time that those grades would affect him in the future (he sure as hell took more initiative than all of us!). And then he gets screwed for his work, whereas all we did was take the average high school courses (yes even AP and honors its still b.s.)
Instead of giving a moral pompous turd story, you don't realize the **** he has to go through.
AWHat if someone took say 60 credits in high school (somewhat unrealistic) and got like a 2.8?
If they pulled off a 3.7 after 90 credit hours (3 years of classes) the highest he could get is a 3.34 cumulative gpa. Is that competitive for allopathic school? I think not! So he got penalized for the b.s. that he received in highschool whereas many of you did not get penalized for the bad grades you guys received in high school!
Like someone else said here, talk to an AAMC director/someone up there, get proof through email, and if he says that you don't need to put it on your transcript, to be safe you can ask 2-3 other people from AAMC.
Remember that many med. schools filter out many students based on GPA alone, so this guy is being automatically denied from many med. schools even though it's not right.
that's not what i mean though. i'm saying that a lot of medical schools are not even going to look at his application becuase he may not meet the minimum gpa requirements of the med. school (this isn't official of course, but its well know that thye have cutoffs)austinap said:I disagree. First off, I think adcoms will take into consideration that these credits were in highschool and that most students don't really care much in HS, let alone know what they're going to do with their life or have any idea how the grades might affect them. That doesn't mean you can just lie about them.
I took 36 college credits in highschool, didn't really try, and pulled a 2.90. Will that affect my gpa? Sure. But it only brings me down to 3.6 when all is said and done. Adcoms take upward trends into consideration. Just a question: how many of these HS credist were in the sciences?
entropy2 said:dude--
do you really think the people at amcas have the time to call a community college ?? they take what you say at face value.... and believe me medicine is filled with people that know "how to play the game"
masterMood said:If they pulled off a 3.7 after 90 credit hours (3 years of classes) the highest he could get is a 3.34 cumulative gpa. Is that competitive for allopathic school? I think not! So he got penalized for the b.s. that he received in highschool whereas many of you did not get penalized for the bad grades you guys received in high school!
Law2Doc said:I actually found the AMCAS verification process to be impressively and surprisingly detail oriented. You are deluded if you think that many people get far in medicine so dishonestly. A few do, and some portion of them get caught. Folks are periodically denied admissions to med school or later medical licenses for thinking they know "how to play the game" in the manner you suggest -- fast and loose is not a good game to try and play here. Better to own up to your skeletons now rather then be attacked by them later. People's pasts sometimes catch up to them, and the world gets more and more computerized every year.
inverse_scatter said:No way to prove the "fraud" without a warrant. And no way a warrant can be given out in order to go on a "fishing expedition": A DA must have a reasonable and justifiable suspicion of guilt in order to get a warrant order issued. How in the world is he going to get that???
pagemmapants said:I took a college course at a community college soph. year of high school and honestly forgot about it.
It was never a problem.
jackieMD2007 said:OP:
While I wasn't proud to put my C in Physics into my AMCAS, I am proud of the fact that I TRIED college-level physics while I was in high school. PM me if you have questions.
windzilla said:such an honest, personal and intelligent response.
by far the best one yet IMHO
making me look like a raving loon above.