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I got calls from 2 programs....none of them have filled yet wtf?? One of them still has all their seats open....what is going on??
 
AMEHigh said:
Yes, students only have until 2 to accept offers. We can't apply until 2:30. The list will be updated because no one will be accepting more offers during that time.
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Yes, but the list is being updated by NRMP so it might take until 3:30pm to get updated.
 
When I select programs, it says that they will be added to my cycle 1 list. BTW I didn't apply to all 35 programs but sholdnt that not matter? Aren't we applying for cycle 2? Am I doing something wrong?
 
We have to wait until 2:30 to apply. Right now we can't apply.
 
From a PD's view....

There is still too much confusion about how SOAP works from some PDs and PCs. The mechanics and logic of a preference list is not being 100% understood. I think that some more emphasis on that part is important. It is not "Match 2.0", as applicants have to accept or reject offers instead of a re-run of the Match algorithm. But from the Program point of view, you should just rank applicants in order of preference.
 
SpartanGal15 said:
I thought that even though we couldn't apply yet, it would add programs that we have selected to that selected list?
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I was able to add programs. Whether or not they will disappear and I'll have to re-add them at 2:30 is another matter...
 
It adds my selected programs to the cycle 1 list!! I am able to apply
 
SpartanGal15 said:
I thought that even though we couldn't apply yet, it would add programs that we have selected to that selected list?
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It's allowing me to do this. I have a list of 16 programs under the "programs selected" tab.
 
OK, I added and applied to programs. Now ADTS lite is giving me a status of "(Application not Available for Download Yet)"

Does anyone know when these applications will be released to programs?
 
Is it possible to still get offers from the programs we applied to in cycle 1 if they still have vacant spots?'
And will we get phone interviews from the ones we applied to in cycle 2?
 
WhyNotMedicine said:
OK, I added and applied to programs. Now ADTS lite is giving me a status of "(Application not Available for Download Yet)"

Does anyone know when these applications will be released to programs?
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mine too!!
how long does it take?
 
IMPD said:
From a PD's view....

There is still too much confusion about how SOAP works from some PDs and PCs. The mechanics and logic of a preference list is not being 100% understood. I think that some more emphasis on that part is important. It is not "Match 2.0", as applicants have to accept or reject offers instead of a re-run of the Match algorithm. But from the Program point of view, you should just rank applicants in order of preference.
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funny you should say that. one of the interview calls i got this SOAP, a PD thought I had to submit a rank list too so i had to correct him. a week filled with confusion and anxiety for all parties involved.
 
fat1iscool said:
Is it possible to still get offers from the programs we applied to in cycle 1 if they still have vacant spots?'
And will we get phone interviews from the ones we applied to in cycle 2?
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I believe so, whatever programs that you initially applied to that remain unfilled are fair game and are in addition to the final 10 hail marys'
 
fat1iscool said:
Is it possible to still get offers from the programs we applied to in cycle 1 if they still have vacant spots?'
And will we get phone interviews from the ones we applied to in cycle 2?
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My understanding is that yes, we are still under consideration for any program we applied do in cycle one that didn't fill. I believe we are also in the running for those programs, should they not fill after cycle 2, until they actually fill.
 
my ADTS said that too, but now it appears the apps have been released.
 
joegibear said:
I believe so, whatever programs that you initially applied to that remain unfilled are fair game and are in addition to the final 10 hail marys'
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Yes, since they still have your app on file and did not fill first round, they can offer you a spot.
 
docmama said:
My understanding is that yes, we are still under consideration for any program we applied do in cycle one that didn't fill. I believe we are also in the running for those programs, should they not fill after cycle 2, until they actually fill.
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though i think people should temper expectations if the program never contacted you for round 1, because that likely means you were passed over once already.
 
Alright, ADTS lite released the programs. It looks like it took about 8 minutes from the 2:30 PM EDT beginning. So far a few programs have downloaded my apps, and the rest are waiting to be downloaded.

*edit* I'm updating this for future readers (future SOAPs) so that they get a sense of how long it takes.
 
I'm not going to apply to my ten progs until after cycle 2. No point. There's no time for them to contact me, they probably wouldn't even have all that much time to download the applications. So I'll just wait until after cycle 2 to see what's left.
 
dcby said:
though i think people should temper expectations if the program never contacted you for round 1, because that likely means you were passed over once already.
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Yeah I agree. I only got one phone interview and that program filled in cycle one. I'm not expecting any offers in cycle 2. But I'm hanging around, just in case. You never know....
 
Bets on how long NRMP sends offers at 3?? I'm voting 80 minutes haha
 
docmama said:
I'm not going to apply to my ten progs until after cycle 2. No point. There's no time for them to contact me, they probably wouldn't even have all that much time to download the applications. So I'll just wait until after cycle 2 to see what's left.
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i would have done the same, except i basically ran out of programs to apply to for the specialties i wanted. i know some people say any residency is better than none, but i just can't get on board with doing a specialty for the rest of my life that i really hate. so i figured just take a shot in the dark that someone looks at my app in the 20-30 minutes between. probably doesn't really matter either way unless there are still tons of options that people still have on the list.
 
dcby said:
they should really offer people post-match/SOAP counseling. i'm totally gonna have PTSD after this. flashbacks to refreshing constantly. seeing "You do not have any offers" when i close my eyes. i'm not sure if i will be able to take the crushing defeat of another failed wave of offers.
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I've joked about writing a book about everything wrong with the entire medical school process and this experience is no exception. The only thing keeping me from actually doing it is not wanting to relive the misery while writing.
 
docmama said:
Yeah I agree. I only got one phone interview and that program filled in cycle one. I'm not expecting any offers in cycle 2. But I'm hanging around, just in case. You never know....
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definitely. someone in this thread got an offer without even being called. and you still have 10 more apps too.
 
saudades said:
Just applied to 10 of the most random mix of specialties ever at my dean's urging. This should be interesting.
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just curious, what was their logic behind that strategy?
 
10 minutes (theoretically) til more anxiety
 
hahaha i did the same thing...at this point, i started adding random child neuro and neuro apps hahaha
 
God only knows. Well, he didn't exactly say apply to random specialties, he just said "consider specialties you hadn't before, like anesthesia..." So I threw in a few random ones. At this point, I don't think it matters much.
 
at least ADTS says most of the 10 new applications have been downloaded...
 
WhyNotMedicine said:
I see it as two things:
  1. The school gets to maintain their match statistics
  2. The student gets a job
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i really hate how utterly backwards the system seems sometimes. a student goes through med school, invests a massive amount of debt, develops a passion for a certain specialty, really wants to devote their life to it....then is told they have to do something completely different because that's just how it works.
 
WhyNotMedicine said:
You can always change specialties later. This way, you don't lose a year being unemployed.
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but how feasible is this? and wouldn't using a residency program simply to bide time to abandon it for another one be frowned upon?
 
docmama said:
I'm not going to apply to my ten progs until after cycle 2. No point. There's no time for them to contact me, they probably wouldn't even have all that much time to download the applications. So I'll just wait until after cycle 2 to see what's left.
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I spoke to a NRMP rep and they said the cycle 2 offers come from the first 35 applications you sent out. The new 10 applications are not considered until tomorrow's offer rounds. So, I'd say you have a good stategy in mind! 🙂
 
MedDr123 said:
I spoke to a NRMP rep and they said the cycle 2 offers come from the first 35 applications you sent out. The new 10 applications are not considered until tomorrow's offer rounds. So, I'd say you have a good stategy in mind! 🙂
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speaking logistics, isn't that a bit silly? what is the point of opening the application submission that early then?
 
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