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alissa14 said:
I have heard that in some games mods will allow a conversion to happen if wolves are doing poorly (which they are). This begs the question, has a conversion happened yet? If not, my bet is that it will happen soon. Maybe it happened tonight and that’s why there wasn’t a night kill. Who knows?
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Sometimes there are certain mechanisms where wolves are told when they get down to a certain number of wolves they get a convert.
 
Well, my bad y’all, I thought the reveal today was pretty obvious, otherwise I wouldn’t have mentioned it. Not trying to out people who haven’t already outed themselves.
 
Sunbodi said:
Now that there is only one wolf out can the seer come out please? And give us leads please

@genny what ability did mayor give you?

MPM, you're AMAZING 😍
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Bad idea, just saying. No role reveals, even MPM being "forced" to out herself was not really a forced thing. That was a last second play by a wolf (well done) to reveal the protector
And it worked. The village is on a roll but that doesn't mean you lighten up the pressure and make things easy!
 
Let's mention every single person and have everyone list the two people they think are wolves in order. We will do ranked voting.
 
geez I wasn’t trying to out right come and say it. Should I share details on my role or keep it hush hush? Note: Taking a mini bathroom break. I work til 6 today
 
MsP has had no pressure on her.

Neither has genny.

Wondering was quiet first couple days but he talks now

I'm tempted to lynch MsP
 
Melchizedek said:
Dude what the actual ****? Did you seriously just out three PR’s on thread? What is wrong with you?
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Look, I’m sorry. I genuinely thought that the reveals were obvious enough that everyone already knew, so I thought it would be safe to get everyone on the same page. Really was not my intent to be outing people who had still slid under the radar.
 
BigCats said:
Look, I’m sorry. I genuinely thought that the reveals were obvious enough that everyone already knew, so I thought it would be safe to get everyone on the same page. Really was not my intent to be outing people who had still slid under the radar.
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I had no idea on wolfie or mel tbh
 
Does anyone need more details on my role or should I keep it to myself?

edit: i wasn’t trying to explicitly out myself as seer... I just wanted to share that I had information
 
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WonderingStudent said:
I know from the noob game that the people who were vying for mayor get investigated first so yeah trying to get elected wouldn’t really be a smart plan for wolves (unless you have something like BigCat’s power from last game but truly if you have that I think the investigator would get tipped off at least in this non-noob game that kinda redirection power would seem weird and be big red flags that the person is a wolf).



Yeah (after last games heart wrenching betrayal by BigCats I hate to agree with her but) I agree with BigCats. I did read the noob game over and over while playing it, I think it’s hammered into my brain at this point that players that put in their hat for mayor get investigated. I might have just come from the noob game before this but I think it means something that wolves tried to kill me three times before I actually died.
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The irony there is that someone voted for wondering and wondering did not vote for themselves iirc. Idk, That was 15 pages ago, but I think that's why I quoted this.
Barkley13 said:
What do you think about the other people that voted without solid reasoning? Did you really decide on him based on profile pic?

Are they any of Nav's posts that you especially agree or disagree with?
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She quoted 4 people in a row to interact with them. Of the 4 people, the Wondering one felt the weirdest.
Barkley13 said:
What does this mean
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WonderingStudent said:
I don't have any real reads on who is a wolf (since *shocker* it's day 1 for lynch voting) but wanna put in my vote before I go to work just in case I don't have time to get on later.


lynch killerleaf


They're one of the people who have been quiet today. Hope to hear from them before lynch close so I can get a better read of them.
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Mutts liking this post is the only thing that puts wondering in the not wolf territory.

BigCats said:
My vibe checker as of EOD1:

Mel, Bark, SAR, Coffee

Also originally had Lupin but tentatively took her off.
Vibes for Coffee and Bark have strengthened throughout the day.
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Just want to say 2/4 (at minimum) by day 2 deserves the kudos.
Lupin21 said:
Well well well. Genny is suspicious of me as always, and now Mel is not playing after she made a point to say that he is the one who really reads her well? COINCIDENCE??? lol

I like the nooblets so far. I think sunny is going to be hard to read kind of like MsP and will be a lynch target often though. Right now I don't think it's wolfy play though. Nav seems fine to me. Sad Miz is deded early. Think she's died early a couple times now in recent games I've played. Cubs seems fine to me right now too.

wolfy is still Sar. I am used to her having more probing questions at the start of a game as village. Think nav also pointed that out. Mutts is one that I also always find suspicious, but nothing major in posts that has points for that vote yet.
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and lupin on point with village reads.
Ms Procrastinator said:
Lynch Barks
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This got quoted for something with MsP, I think a reminder for me to look at timing of this vote.
Coopah said:
Personally I think everybody reads everybody else like crap so we should all just dartboard :laugh:
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Still feel this way Coopah? 😉
muttmanager said:
the only strong feeling I have is that genny is village. Idt she’d go for mayor so soon after Foodie WW
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Well now, that ages, interestingly.
WonderingStudent said:
unlynch killer, lynch Cubs

I'm at work so haven't been able to read any of the new posts other than scanning for our lynch tally. Rather we not have a tie so. I wanna revenge lynch BigCats (because of noob game) but uhhhhh I guess I shouldn't lynch for that reason. Barks' comments that I saw earlier seemed innocent enough and SAR I think said they were good at reading genny so I would rather not lynch them by some chance they give some good insight on genny. Don't really have a wolf read yet so it's difficult to say.
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This ages even worse.
mypetmoose said:
I want to vote sunbodi or alissa but I'm still figuring out whether I think it's a noob thing or not. If I had to choose between alissa or Sunbodi to vote though, it would be alissa. Maybe tomorrow....

I'm okay seeing either a barky or SAR flip because there has been a lot of talk about them and it will be useful for evaluation tomorrow.

####lynch SAR####

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And look at you MPM!
SARdoghandler said:
So this is fun

lynch bigkitties

Entirely self-prez tbh. I've not kept up enough on thread to have feelings one way or the other about them. Was planning on a reads list tonight when I had time to sit down after work
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Reminder that Big Cats is not a wolf.
SARdoghandler said:
Guys I'm a bad lynch. 🙄
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And reminder to everyone that bad lynch, PR claims, etc. are crap. Vote who you are suspicious and say screw it to claims
genny said:
You're being weird voting for someone who said they're a PR.
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And this aged poorly.
BigCats said:
unlynch SAR
lynch Bark

Still on my reads list, still self-prez, would rather not lynch someone claiming a PR so soon.
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Just reminding myself even further evidence that VCA has BigCat's back
SARdoghandler said:
I feel.good about Genny, Sunbodi, and oddly enough you. Probably Nav too though it pains me

Not feeling great about Mel/Stagg. Wondering pinged me early today iirc. Possibly Alissa. Weaker on the noobs because noise to signal is hard for me to sort out
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This post makes me think Genny could be a wolf again.
BigCats said:
I actually get the rationale, tbh. Both SAR and Barks voted me for self-prez, which is whatever. Cubs rightly noted similarities in my playing style to how I played last game- there's no real way I can convince anyone that that's just how I am unless I flip, so that's just how it's gonna be. I just really do not dig killer's last-hour lynch of me when the only reason was "last game"- little late in the day to be voting based off of grudges. I suppose I can buy that Wolfie just never came back all day to put a real vote down, don't dig that but at least she voted me way early on.
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Just an interesting take on the wolfie vote.
SARdoghandler said:
Okay, I managed to catch up properly this time and formulate some reads. Sorry the format is ****, tbh I wanna go watch the Witcher before I have to go to sleep.


Bigcats - lots of initial fluff but reads and votes are justified. I like this noob and we should keep them
Sunbodi - spewed village
Wolfie - light wolf read. Promised to read the thread "in a bit", never followed through. Timing feels mildly opportunistic (but also congrats on the acceptance because that showed up on my iso since it's broken)
Cubs - feels a bit fluffy but I've liked his last 4 or so posts so a neutral-village lean for that
Killerleaf - not enough to go on here. Definitely flying under the radar
MsP - giving reads and thoughts; more meaningful participation than I feel like I'm used to. Village points for this
Genny - feels like village genny (And Lupin, I did an iso of myself but apparently even when I put a read on genny I keep it to myself or I was a faction not-village. I did have a correct read in NH48 but with the search function being annoying I didn't go through a lot of games. But you'll just have to accept that I feel like I can read genny, even if it's not in the literature [hard for a vet, I know 😛 ])
Nav - feels like village Nav with his rapid fire this morning
Lupin - village points, but honestly Lupin scares me so I never believe my village read even when I make it
Coffee - feels very defensive(?) of noobs and teachery on thread without actually providing a whole lot of her own thoughts? Soft wolf, but with hesitance because I feel like I tend to wolf read and be wrong here
Mutts - need more participation, not enough to go on (But @Sunbodi is incorrect, she has posted 6 times, not 3)
Wondering - wolfy lean. Something just feels off based on tone. Snappy, quick to jump to defenses, feels like jumpy noob wolf. Made noises about not wanting a tie but didn't do anything about it. Maybe because they couldn't without looking sketchy?
Mel/Stagg - Mel's post about game balance felt very angle-shooty to me which isn't normally something I associate with him, pinged my radar and gave wolf points based largely on that. Do also need more here to go on though
Alissa - also tone reading a bit wolfy. Lots of posts but very little content other than reasons why there wasn't any content
MPM - Feels village but I think the last time I said this she was wolfy AF so probably going to tuck her more towards neutral for now

TL;DR:

Village-ish to wolfy-ish:

Sunbodi
Nav
Genny
Bigcats
MsP

Lupin
Cubs
MPM
Killerleaf
Mutts

Coffee
Wolfie
Alissa
Mel/Stagg
Wondering

Order within groups not necessarily rock solid in all cases
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Probably 1 wolf in the wolf column and 1 in the villager column, knowing SAR. Could've done 2 in the neutral column, but just WIFOMing.
genny said:
Day 2

Coffee (1) - BigCats
BigCats (1) - Wolfie
Wondering (1) - Coffee
Barks (1) - Sunbodi
SAR (1) - Nav
cubs (1) - alissa
Barks (0) - Sunbodi
SAR (2) - Nav, Sunbodi
Sar (1) - Nav, Sunbodi
Barks (1) - Sunbodi
killer (1) - Wondering
SAR (2) - Nav, Lupes
Barks (2) - Sunbodi, MsP
cubs (2) - alissa, mutts
BigCats (2) - Wolfie, cubs
killer (0) - Wondering
cubs (3) - alissa, mutts, Wondering
Barks (3) - Sunbodi, MsP, genny
cubs (2) - alissa, mutts, Wondering
Sunbodi (1) - alissa
BigCats (3) - Wolfie, cubs, killer
SAR (3) - Nav, Lupes, mpm
BigCats (4) - Wolfie, cubs, killer, SAR
Coffee (0) - BigCats
SAR (4) - Nav, Lupes, mpm, BigCats
SAR (3) - Nav, Lupes, mpm, BigCats
Barks (4) - Sunbodi, MsP, genny, BigCats
SAR (2) - Nav, Lupes, mpm
alissa (1) - mpm
BigCats (5) - Wolfie, cubs, killer, SAR, Barks
Wondering (0) - Coffee
Barks (5) - Sunbodi, MsP, genny, BigCats, Coffee
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Changing colors on parts I find interesting.
Wolfie<3 said:
Honestly it's hard to formulate a read's list from what I have glanced at so far. It seems like a lot of people are going off of knowing how people have played in the past, making it easier to read them knowing habits.

It seems like the only realistic villager read is sunbodi (unless killing off a wolf in a tie was their genius idea to make everyone believe they are villager 😛).

For the record, yes I would've changed my vote had I come in to see the lynch vote and not let it end in a tie (so i would've either switched to barks or someone else, which would've been basically voting barks anyways). Sorry I was busy celebrating my acceptance to Davis that I completely forgot about this game lol!

My only read now is everyone who jumped onto the BigCats lynch to try and possible save Barks? -- The 3rd and 4th vote would seem a little extra sketchy than cubs 2nd vote. So my light wolf reads currently would be killer and SAR.
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Things are weird here....
genny said:
I am interested in mutts, killer, mpm, SAR, wolfie, and wondering today.
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This post ages nicely and poorly at the same time.
mizchiefmanaged said:
@SARdoghandler give me a reason to believe that you’re not a wolf because my gut says you aren’t but I’m kinda ambivalent about the posts.
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Ah your gut this game.
Melchizedek said:
I hate everything nav has said up through page 5. His analysis is superficial and he seems to be labelling a lot as sketchy just so he can keep his options open about where to vote. I don't like his play at all.



These posts make me so uncomfortable and annoyed, mainly because you seem to have fallen for Nav's fake wolf-hunting as real.
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And…. I am genuinely curious if you still feel that way with how things have flipped.
Melchizedek said:
Looking at the leading candidates:
I like that there's pressure on MPM, didn't realize she was being pushed when I made my last post to her.

I understand that Wolfie started the counterwagon to barks, but it doesn't seem like she meant to legitimately or was around to change her vote. I think this vote is kinda lazy.

Is VCA and her position on the Barks v SAR lynch the reasoning behind people voting Killer because I could back that.
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I also don't like the movement away from wolfy candidates here.
Melchizedek said:
Village. Usually her tone the first couple posts is good enough for me to confirm village. But wolf!genny is more on eggshells and feels like she's forcing herself to be lighthearted and fun. Because of that, I can't see wolf!genny making a claim like Village PR that should be made Mayor. Too much spotlight for her.



In brightest day, and blackest night?
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I want you to honestly look at genny, and tell me if you still think she is a villager.
Sunbodi said:
Current Reads:

Village
Genny- Consistently voted alongside me. Idk why. On D1 she was interested in barks, lupin, and wondering
MsP- Also very innocent voting behavior. Voted bark before the vote shifted to bark
Sunbodi
Alissa- Most helpful person here thus far.
CoffeeQuestionMark- Killed Barks when didn't have to shift the vote. Village for sure.

Village Leaning
BigCats- Everything lends me to believe they are village but due to their good wolf game play I can only put them in village leaning
Melchizedek-I like how they said genny is village. She is-most likely
Cubsrule4e- Didn't read their posts in depth but have provided solid reasoning towards me the entire time. Unlike other players who have completely brushed off any questions anyone has asked.

Neutral
Mizchiefmanaged- Need to say more than think SAR is sus. We need reads on every player. Not just one.
Navilly-This person scares me. Way too adept for me to give accurate reads. Will just say that she and lupin and mizchief were worried about SAR. For an adept player just wanted to mention that all their neutrals are wolves for me.
MPM- Sorry for pushing the vote in your direction. You also mentioned SAR. I highly doubt 3-4 wolf would all bring up the same name.
Lupin-For a veteran player you haven't given us any list whatsoever besides saying SAR is sus. Please help village out.


Wolf Leaning
KillerLeaf- 8 posts only. Half of them were nonsense. I'm inclined to put them with wondering in wolf but they made a few more posts.

Wolf
Wondering- No helpful posts at all.
Wolfie- I have no clue why wolfie voted for BigCats early on with no justification whatsoever. She also voted for MPM as mayor after genny made the mayor PR claim. Bad look for wolfie.
Muttmanager- Umm HELLO? 6 posts??? None of them helpful???
SAR-On the defensive when they were nearly lynched yesterday. Did not provide any proof that they are village.
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What are your thoughts on wondering outside of vouches at this point?
Sunbodi said:
No votes on Wondering or SAR. Interesting how wondering, SAR, and mutt haven't voted yet.


4-5 players claimed SAR was sus yesterday. I typically hate bandwagons but would veterans be making rookie mistakes?
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SARdoghandler said:
Just because you think she's being helpful doesn't mean I need to have the same opinion. Wolves can be "helpful" on thread. Don't let then lead you around by the nose. Because they will if they can get away with it.
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Irony at its finest.
Melchizedek said:
Wolfie is not a wolf. Lynch better.
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Reminder to self to figure out who is connected to who right now. If two wolves remaining, pairs will eventually need to be investigated. Also, the person vouching for said other person is not officially cleared. With that said, mel, MPM, and wolfie now have a trio, which means that they are all good UNLESS MPM was converted last night, leaving a MPM/Mel team remaining. With that said, Wolfie is almost 100% cleared, unless Ziggy put 6 wolves in a 21 person game.
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Navilly said:
The irony there is that someone voted for wondering and wondering did not vote for themselves iirc. Idk, That was 15 pages ago, but I think that's why I quoted this.

She quoted 4 people in a row to interact with them. Of the 4 people, the Wondering one felt the weirdest.



Mutts liking this post is the only thing that puts wondering in the not wolf territory.


Just want to say 2/4 (at minimum) by day 2 deserves the kudos.

and lupin on point with village reads.

This got quoted for something with MsP, I think a reminder for me to look at timing of this vote.

Still feel this way Coopah? 😉

Well now, that ages, interestingly.

This ages even worse.

And look at you MPM!

Reminder that Big Cats is not a wolf.

And reminder to everyone that bad lynch, PR claims, etc. are crap. Vote who you are suspicious and say screw it to claims

And this aged poorly.

Just reminding myself even further evidence that VCA has BigCat's back

This post makes me think Genny could be a wolf again.

Just an interesting take on the wolfie vote.

Probably 1 wolf in the wolf column and 1 in the villager column, knowing SAR. Could've done 2 in the neutral column, but just WIFOMing.

Changing colors on parts I find interesting.

Things are weird here....

This post ages nicely and poorly at the same time.

Ah your gut this game.

And…. I am genuinely curious if you still feel that way with how things have flipped.

I also don't like the movement away from wolfy candidates here.

I want you to honestly look at genny, and tell me if you still think she is a villager.

What are your thoughts on wondering outside of vouches at this point?



Irony at its finest.

Reminder to self to figure out who is connected to who right now. If two wolves remaining, pairs will eventually need to be investigated. Also, the person vouching for said other person is not officially cleared. With that said, mel, MPM, and wolfie now have a trio, which means that they are all good UNLESS MPM was converted last night, leaving a MPM/Mel team remaining. With that said, Wolfie is almost 100% cleared, unless Ziggy put 6 wolves in a 21 person game.
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I’m not sure how caught up you are on the last pages of thread. Would you like me to look into genny?
 
Melchizedek said:
I'd really like people to consider Nav as a lynch. He's my biggest wolf read so far. Otherwise if it comes down to Wolfie v MPM I'm okay with voting mpm for previously stated reasons.
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I want to challenge this, why am I your biggest wolf read. I get it on day 3. I get it on day 4. I am genuinely curious how I still remain that way by day 5, unless you are just in a tunnel you can't get out of.
 
alissa14 said:
I’m not sure how caught up you are on the last pages of thread. Would you like me to look into genny?
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I don't think it's genny. Would have to do some WIFOM-y stuff to convince myself it could be genny. I do, in hindsight, think possibly MsP.
 
@Navilly wondering voted themselves in for mayor.

Unless they're a closeted veteran why would they put attention on themselves D1 if they are a wolf?

I was sus of wondering early on but not anymore.

Right now I'm interested in Ms P. I'm also comfortable putting pressure on genny.
 
Sunbodi said:
Nav and Lupin are village based on VCA. Unless they were converted. Please stop pushing for them
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Nav was on a wolf for every lynch. It seems too convenient to me. I'm also interested in alissa though, so I'd like to hear more on that. Especially since she supposedly gained her ability two days ago/didn't do anything with it before then...

@alissa14 my question about your night targets includes dead people. Full list please, even if you didn't learn anything.

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mypetmoose said:
Mel vouched for wolfie and I vouched for mel

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Asked the mods if wondering had been converted after I seered them would I receive a notification on the change. They said no. I’m waiting to hear if there’s a chance (Not saying this happened but just in case) that mpm got converted after I seered her.

BigCats said:
I don't think it's genny. Would have to do some WIFOM-y stuff to convince myself it could be genny. I do, in hindsight, think possibly MsP.
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I’m wondering about possibility of chaos for genny tbh...
 
Sunbodi said:
What does WIFOM mean?
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Wine in front of me, like the scene from The Princess Bride. Basically trying to figure out someone's actions based on how you think that person might perceive how those actions come across, based on how that person thinks you might perceive how that person might perceive how those actions come across, and so on and so forth.
 
mypetmoose said:
Nav was on a wolf for every lynch. It seems too convenient to me. I'm also interested in alissa though, so I'd like to hear more on that. Especially since she supposedly gained her ability two days ago/didn't do anything with it before then...

@alissa14 my question about your night targets includes dead people. Full list please, even if you didn't learn anything.

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I can think of something you are not thinking of with respect to Alissa.
 
Sunbodi said:
What does WIFOM mean?
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Wine In front of me. To my understanding, it’s when you are looking at a post and you want to think someone is telling the truth but they also could be lying. Basically you talk yourself into a circle of confusion.

veterans please correct me if I’m worng
 
Sunbodi said:
@Navilly wondering voted themselves in for mayor.

Unless they're a closeted veteran why would they put attention on themselves D1 if they are a wolf?

I was sus of wondering early on but not anymore.

Right now I'm interested in Ms P. I'm also comfortable putting pressure on genny.
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Your logic is missing some steps here, could you think of a reason?
 
mypetmoose said:
Nav was on a wolf for every lynch. It seems too convenient to me. I'm also interested in alissa though, so I'd like to hear more on that. Especially since she supposedly gained her ability two days ago/didn't do anything with it before then...

@alissa14 my question about your night targets includes dead people. Full list please, even if you didn't learn anything.

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So I am an even night seer. I can only seer in even nights. So far we’ve only had 2 nights. On N1, I had to give a list of targets. Here is my list and my notes with them. On night 5 (tonight) I can submit a new list. So I really hope I don’t die and can seer at least one more person. The list I plan to submit is a work in progress and may shuffle around depending on the discussion today.
  1. @WonderingStudent V - seered
  2. @mypetmoose V - seered
  3. @cubsrule4e V - mod confirmed upon death
  4. @Melchizedek/@Stagg786
  5. @genny
  6. @Sunbodi
  7. @Barkley13 W - mod confirmed upon death
  8. @Ms Procrastinator
  9. @muttmanager W - mod confirmed upon death
  10. @BigCats
  11. @mizchiefmanaged
  12. @Wolfie<3
  13. @Lupin21
  14. @Navilly
  15. @CoffeeQuestionMark V - mod confirmed upon death
  16. @SARdoghandler W - mod confirmed upon death
  17. @killerleaf
 
Coopah said:
Bad idea, just saying. No role reveals, even MPM being "forced" to out herself was not really a forced thing. That was a last second play by a wolf (well done) to reveal the protector
And it worked. The village is on a roll but that doesn't mean you lighten up the pressure and make things easy!
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People were coming off of SAR. I just got nervous okay lol... I guess I could've waited until later in the day to see if it was really necessary

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genny said:
You submit a list on odd nights and get results on even nights? This is odd to me.
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No I had to submit an unchanging list on N1. I don’t have any actions on odd nights. Except for night 5 where I can submit a new list. I’ve never played where I had night actions or could seer so nothing seemed odd to me
 
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