Soccer WW - Match thread!

[alissa14]

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I don’t want to give my role name because of reasons already discussed on thread...

 

[Navilly]

KILLER IS NOT VILLAGE.

THEY ARE WOLF OR CHAOS ROLE.

and where are your thoughts on this now?

 

[deleted804295]

and where are your thoughts on this now?

Aged badly!

 

[Navilly]

I am going back to read that wafflefest after I take a shower, and I will be digitally smacking anybody that listened to sunburn's "100%"

honestly I think its between Coffee (for that one game where she was a role name seer and fake claimed affiliation seer to get people to lynch a wolf that she had no way of knowing 100% was a wolf) and Sunburn for "most annoyingly confident for the wrong reasons"

What did you glean from the wafflefest?

 

[deleted804295]

and where are your thoughts on this now?

Ahem.

Soccer WW - Match thread!

Day 3 Cats like soccer too Lynch Tally wolfie (2) - BC, Cubs killer (5) - MsP, nav, miz, mpm, Wolfie cubs (-) mpm (2) - genny, alissa SAR () - nav (1) - mel mutts (2) - sunbodi, lupin sunbodi (1) - killer Alissa (1) - SAR 14/16 in the lead: @killerleaf missing: @WonderingStudent @muttmanager...

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[Navilly]

No I had to submit an unchanging list on N1. I don’t have any actions on odd nights. Except for night 5 where I can submit a new list. I’ve never played where I had night actions or could seer so nothing seemed odd to me

explain what you mean by a list?

 

[alissa14]

explain what you mean by a list?

A list of every player to the mods. They go down the list in order and give me results on even nights. So far I’ve seered two players. Tonight I get to submit a new list that mods will give me results on even nights

 

[Navilly]

I wouldn't assume that miz is a villager. We can't be sure they were rezzed by the village rezzer.

Fun facts, wolf rezzes rarely happen. Wanna know why? Eventually, it will come down to a question of "Who revived Miz?" in late game, and if no one can provide that info, then she will get lynched. If someone provides that they did so, and they are found to be a wolf, creates a 2 for 1 special.

 

[genny]

No I had to submit an unchanging list on N1. I don’t have any actions on odd nights. Except for night 5 where I can submit a new list. I’ve never played where I had night actions or could seer so nothing seemed odd to me

Are you a coach?

 

[alissa14]

Are you a coach?

I don’t want to reveal my role name

 

[alissa14]

Fun facts, wolf rezzes rarely happen. Wanna know why? Eventually, it will come down to a question of "Who revived Miz?" in late game, and if no one can provide that info, then she will get lynched. If someone provides that they did so, and they are found to be a wolf, creates a 2 for 1 special.

I thought coffee rezzed miz

 

[genny]

I don’t want to reveal my role name

I didn’t ask you to.

 

[alissa14]

I didn’t ask you to.

Is coach a type of role?
Edit: I gave my role even night seer. I don’t want to give my soccer themed name

 

[deleted804295]

I didn’t ask you to.

You're sus to me genny. Why are you pressuring alissa when pressure was put on you? Alissa recieved pressure twice in a row. Are you counter claiming her seer claim?

 

[genny]

Is coach a type of role?

No. So it looks like some players are specific soccer players, some are objects/things in soccer like cubs as a yellow card. So I was asking if you are a coach, but without asking you to pony up a specific name. I’m trying to make sense out of your list mechanism. But if you don’t want to answer, that’s fine.

 

[genny]

You're sus to me genny. Why are you pressuring alissa when pressure was put on you? Alissa recieved pressure twice in a row. Are you counter claiming her seer claim?

Is it really pressure on me if idgaf? Lol

 

[alissa14]

No. So it looks like some players are specific soccer players, some are objects/things in soccer like cubs as a yellow card. So I was asking if you are a coach, but without asking you to pony up a specific name. I’m trying to make sense out of your list mechanism. But if you don’t want to answer, that’s fine.

I’m a soccer team. I don’t want to say more than that

 

[genny]

You're sus to me genny. Why are you pressuring alissa when pressure was put on you? Alissa recieved pressure twice in a row. Are you counter claiming her seer claim?

I know you haven’t played with me before, but I’m not one to bus. And certainly not on the first day of voting.

 

[genny]

I’m a soccer team. I don’t want to say more than that

Ok thanks. I just find the list making weird as a way to seer, but it sounds like it ties into your role.

 

[alissa14]

Ok thanks. I just find the list making weird as a way to seer, but it sounds like it ties into your role.

Idk man... I just do what I’m told. 🤣

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

Also I want people’s thoughts on investigating genny...

What do you mean by this?

@BigCats honey, I know you're new here but this is how you stay quiet about somebody's role. Alissa, bless her noobie heart, more or less outted her role on thread, especially with her choice of words. I didn't push any further. I thought she was gonna investigate genny and was later kinda super confused as to why she didn't include her in the list of cleared peeps but she clarified how her role works. Sucks that she can't control it and that it's not every night. Anyways... I'm village y'all . My least favorite kind unfortunately 😢

 

[Coopah]

Is it really pressure on me if idgaf? Lol

Classic genny sass gives me the warm fuzzies 😍

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

Ok thanks. I just find the list making weird as a way to seer, but it sounds like it ties into your role.

It would have been cool/funny if she was the body of people that investigated those fifa coaches (or whoever) for bribery. Don't remember the specifics. Just know that there some fifa corruption scandal.

 

[Navilly]

Looking for at least 1 non-convert, two if they didn't have a converter this game.
WonderingStudent - vouched for by Alissa, but all of my analysis has them as highest suspect for wolf atm.
BigCats - VERY far down on list based off of VCA, comments, and pretty much the everything they did this game.
Wolfie<3 - suspect masons with Mel
Sunbodi - if they are an original, then you just would have to laugh.
killerleaf - Unlikely an original, just based off of how she has been placed within the counter lynch schemes, as well as with how lynches has formed around them. Also feels for me.
genny - @Melchizedek - would love for you to forget about the move of genny choosing to become mayor and honestly think about can genny be a wolf with respect to the genny way.
mizchiefmanaged - not an original
Navilly - me, myself and I
mypetmoose - vouched for by Alissa, protected mel, mel masons with wolfie @Wolfie<3 - since its already been outed on the thread, what are your thoughts on Mel. Would you say mel is NOT a wolf?
Melchizedek - if wolfie comes back with an answer of yes, Mel is not a wolf, mel is 100% not an original AND if mods are CORRECTLY playing masons, not a convert, as both the masons would get a notification of it as they share 1 chat.
alissa14 - has been claiming affiliation seer, I want pressure there, as this can be a last second maneuver that SAR has conjured up.
Ms Procrastinator -I mean.... hasn't done her tell this game, so I am not opposed to going here, I just.... don't have strong feelings that she is a wolf. Although my ambivalence on her is weird, as normally I feel very strongly about her one way or the other by day 5....
Lupin21-now that SAR has been outed as a wolf, even less likely that Lupin is an original wolf, as Lupin did not do the night 3 kill. Very unlikely SAR would have done the kill as a wolf due to the heat she was under, and very unlikely they would have a convert do the kill lest the convert be exposed.
Page 32 break, touching basis here as not sure how much time I have left to do things, still need to cook dinner for wife and get ready for work and leave in the next hour and 50 minutes.

 

[deleted804295]

I don't trust Alissa's seer claim.

Any seer counter claims??

 

[genny]

I don't trust Alissa's seer claim.

Any seer counter claims??

Did you just ask the seer to out themselves? Lol

 

[Navilly]

I thought coffee rezzed miz

That's my assumption. What I am saying is moreso when there is an unaccounted rez (was a theoretical). Coffee would have 100% rezzed miz in this game. Does not say much if she would have got converted afterwards. But she is not an original so this point is moot until we get at least one more original.

 

[Navilly]

I don't trust Alissa's seer claim.

Any seer counter claims??

I believe that Alissa is a seer of some sort. That mechanism was way too convoluted for her to come up with. But the question really becomes is she an affiliation seer, as she claims to be, or is she an ability seer on the wolves team, and is running under the cover of an affiliation seer.

As an aside, when I had talked to Ziggy about making games, I talked with them regarding not including affiliation seers in most games. It makes village work a bit more rather than rely on one role to do the work for them. Not saying they did or did not include them, but I think the claim is NAI.

 

[Melchizedek]

What did you glean from the wafflefest?

@Melchizedek - would love for you to forget about the move of genny choosing to become mayor

I appreciate you trying to point me in the right direction, but my physical health is absolute crap right now and I haven't gotten to re-evaluate anything or even deeply read the thread lately.

I am not well

 

[Melchizedek]

In an attempt to be helpful:

From D2 and D3 I had a weird feeling that there was a wolf between Tig ol Bitties and SAR, but couldn't suss out if the were W/V or W/W but this is somewhere I'd like to explore.

@Navilly if genny is a wolf then the wolves would have known not to attack me last night

 

[mypetmoose]

In an attempt to be helpful:

From D2 and D3 I had a weird feeling that there was a wolf between Tig ol Bitties and SAR, but couldn't suss out if the were W/V or W/W but this is somewhere I'd like to explore.

@Navilly if genny is a wolf then the wolves would have known not to attack me last night

Were you informed of the attack?

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[alissa14]

Did you just ask the seer to out themselves? Lol

I already got outed by BigCats

 

[BigCats]

Lupin did not do the night 3 kill.

Can you clarify more about this?

 

[BigCats]

In an attempt to be helpful:

From D2 and D3 I had a weird feeling that there was a wolf between Tig ol Bitties and SAR, but couldn't suss out if the were W/V or W/W but this is somewhere I'd like to explore.

@Navilly if genny is a wolf then the wolves would have known not to attack me last night

In firm agreement with you on the last part, unless some truly wifom stuff that I don’t want to bother with atm.

 

[mypetmoose]

No I had to submit an unchanging list on N1. I don’t have any actions on odd nights. Except for night 5 where I can submit a new list. I’ve never played where I had night actions or could seer so nothing seemed odd to me

So then why did you submit a list where wondering was first and I was second as of night 1. Why wasn't genny on that list? Doesn't really make sense to me

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[alissa14]

@BigCats honey, I know you're new here but this is how you stay quiet about somebody's role. Alissa, bless her noobie heart, more or less outted her role on thread, especially with her choice of words. I didn't push any further. I thought she was gonna investigate genny and was later kinda super confused as to why she didn't include her in the list of cleared peeps but she clarified how her role works. Sucks that she can't control it and that it's not every night. Anyways... I'm village y'all . My least favorite kind unfortunately 😢

Did I put myself by asking who to investigate? Also my post about vouching for people, does that in any way out myself. Asking for future games...

 

[BigCats]

Did I put myself by asking who to investigate? Also my post about vouching for people, does that in any way out myself. Asking for future games...

Vouching for two people at once, imo, is outing yourself.

 

[Navilly]

Ok guys I'm here. I realize I said last night I would put all my thoughts down (I will but I woke up way too late to actually read this whole chat + also actually participate before lynch). I have not read the past few pages/I skimmed a little.

In no particular order:

- BigCats: their posts seem village to me but they did in the noob game when they were wolf so idk. But, this post makes me lean toward village. I definitely understand this self-sacrifice stance as a villager trying to protect someone who might have a more important role than you (I still have to look into what PR is but I'm assuming it's a role)


- Wolfie: he has posted a lot less than last game (he was very active in the beginning of the noob game). But I do understand that last game he was mayor and had more to go on with the powers she was given. Also we did the noob game over the holidays which might have meant he had more time to post and keep up with the thread. Truly, he hasn't posted enough for me to get a read on if he is village.

- Sunbodi: After the results of yesterdays lynch they are village to me at this point. Their posts prodding us to discuss and give our list of village/wolf reads seems village. (see killerleaf for the buts)

- Killerleaf: put self in for mayor (which makes me lean village but someone the other day said people who go for mayor aren't investigated as much as one would think so I guess this isn't that much of evidence. I'm leaning toward wolf for them now because in one post I read from today they said they were thinking Sunbodi is a wolf. How they phrased their thoughts on Sunbodi and BigCats, it seemed really short and one sided. I do admit I have it in the back of my mind that Sunbodi could just have gotten rid of one of the wolves in her pack to get village-cred but how Killerleaf phrased it didn't sound right to me (mostly because she didn't talk about the reasons they might not be a wolf)

- genny: She voted to lynch barks and asked for Barks to come and respond to change her mind (makes me lean village for her)

- mizchiefmanaged: Just came back so don't really know yet.
would resurrection go through if the resurrector dies that night? I know that when I was protector last game my protection didn’t go through the night I was attacked. I’m guessing this is up to the mods and is different for each game. Could also be a wolf resurrector I guess? Hard to say but can’t rule out they could have come back as a wolf

- Navilly: I feel like they are bringing up really good and interesting points and analysis which makes me lean village. I will also point out that their profile pic may also have a hand in swaying me to think village since it makes them seem more respectable (I'm just being honest guys)

- MyPetMoose: I don't know. I don't have any reads on them. I noted down they voted to put them self in as captain but as previously stated in my little paragraph about killerleaf doing this doesn't mean much i guess.

- Mel => Stagg => Mel: idk. They put themselves in for mayor. see killerleaf paragraph for point about mayor

- muttmanager: idk. Not too much to go on. They voted for miz for mayor and then agreed with miz's assumption ("residual guilt") of why they were voting for miz.

- alissa: put self in for mayor, changed vote to elect genny. I'm not getting the same very-village vibe that I got last game but that could be because this is her third game and has changed how she plays a little.

- MsProcrastinator: Most likely village because she was the first to jump on Sunbodi's lynch for Barks and she did say later on that day that Bark's posts didn't seem normal.

- SAR: says they feel like they can read Genny. Their posts seem village to me.

- cubs: Nav pointed this out that cubs noted the number of players that were actually playing was "wrong" on the initial post. Thought it was an interesting point.

- Lupin: idk.

This reads list has not sat right with me all game. The only reason she is not being voted is because of the whole Alissa thing. Going straight to Wondering is assuming Alissa is a wolf, and that Alissa would be silly enough to vouch for a wolf as her first seer target. Would have to do an Alissa lynch before going down the road of Wondering.

And for the cubs kill, I wonder if it was because he had SAR as villager. At some point I need to read things, but my day off is me trying to unfuzz my brain. I'll have a little whiskey later and perhaps have some more focus.

Spoiler: drinking problem

I am curious what your thought process was. Was it more that SAR was being set up? Or that they were intentionally killing those that were incorrect to make it seem like a set up?

Here is my reads for this morning:

Based off behavior alone, I do not trust BigCats, they are playing pretty much exactly how they played in the noob game.. and look how that turned out. Lying low on votes, but providing nice "reads" to avoid suspicion. D2 they were forced to vote bark simply for self-preservation at that point. D3 they left their vote on me all day. I don't know if ballsy enough to contribute a vote to a wolf captain, but they voted Wondering D1. This puts a ? on Wondering for me as well, but again, seems risky for him to vote for a wolf D1. Wondering also jumped on mutts vote last minute, could be a ploy to disperse suspicion since mutts was most likely going at that point.

Can't say much for Killer, the low participation and weak defense was the same in my previous game with them and they turned to be villager.

My other target from my previous post was SAR; she voted alissa last night, which I could assume was to avoid voting Bark, but it would've been strange for them to not vote killer to try and save Bar if they were working together. So maybe neutral for now?

I wouldn't be opposed to pushing a Nav vote, unless everyone really reads them as village. I just instinctively don't trust them for some reason. Possibly because of the waffling they did last night between killer/mutts.

Sunbodi gives me some kind of chaos vibes, is going 2/2 on wolf hunting this early a thing?

Still unsure of mpm; Barks voted them captain D1.

... Unfortunately I don't have a true wolf reads, like sunbodi has, at this point. I also am working my vet tech job from 4-7 PST tonight so I will definitely be missing lynch close if there are several appointments. I will pop in before 4 to see how the votes are going.

For now.....lynch Nav .. cause truly I have no idea. This will probably change once new posts come in 😛

I at least now know where all of your stuff is coming from, another mouth piece for Mel from being masons. I would honestly look back at the last..... like 15 games I played with Mel and watch how badly she reads me on almost every game with him.

I need to really sit down and think about my reads again but at this point I'd be comfortable with a killer lynch. Maybe Mel as well. Alissa's posts late yesterday look better on re-read to me and I think I may have been letting my grumpiness guide that lynch too much yesterday. I still want to go back and iso wondering again because every now and then they have a post that just gives me the ultimate squidgys

Pushing towards Mel or Killer and away from Alissa. Quite interesting.

A few early posts pinged me and made me suspicious. I can grab them later if you want.

The only caveat I have that I'm trying to figure out is where they were on the lynch yesterday because they flipped Mutts at the last second. I can convince myself that a panicking wolf team thought Mutts was going down and with no recent tally a noob wolf scrambled to try and get village credit with a super weak reason. Admittedly, that could be a stretch and I'm going to go back and find those posts that originally pinged me and see if my interpretation changes given their position yesterday.

The whole wondering thing, which is also interesting.

Lupin has been on SAR this entire time so there is a w/v or v/v combo right there.

Should we lynch one of them just to see? Or play our lynches safe?

So are you in the camp that Lupin is solid villager based on this?

So SAR, Killer, and Alissa are last wolves?

Any objections?

And thoughts on this now?

Unlynch SAR... side note... playing ww is more fun than 2 hour physics lecture

and that doesn't look good on you. Switching off when SAR became a viable late game lynch.

I think I kinda get what you're saying, but it doesn't make me feel any less queasy about you. That last line especially about wanting to vote somewhere that you knew wouldn't be effective. That could easily be a wolf trying to avoid coming under the microscope by staying away from viable lynch wagons.


playing the noob card hard, you're making my head hurt.


Have you expounded on this tin-foil yet?


Grappling with this too

It was some game where you and I were PM partners and we had a good PM village bloc going.


........this seems like a ......disproportionate response to one person calling you fishy.....
This whole post is WIFOM because you may or may not have decided to change up your playstyle specifically so you could pull this kind of defense.
This post earns you two sketch points, one for the overly reactive tone, and one for using WIFOM as a defense.


@Navilly after going back and looking at Killer's reaction to lynch pressure and her posts today, I've moved her from my wolfish pile to more village than neutral pile.

Major objections. I disagree on all three accounts.
SAR has been reading slighlty village
See above for new thoughts on Killer
Alissa is on the wolfy-side of neutral, enough to be on my radar and for me to want to scrutinize her, but not enough to warrant a vote yet.


Nav's play is starting to look more village in the past day, but he's also one of those people who can alter their playstyle if they think someone is on to them and I still think he's wolfy from play from D2/D3, so I want that egg cracked.

Lynch Nav
(made bigger so mods will see it in the wall of text)







eta: ninja'd by SAR but good to know that my read on her was right 😛

What's frustrating is that, you are not wrong that I would change my gameplay, but also that once you get on me, you are hooked on me until endgame. Which is fair if you are usually correct on me. But less so when you are usually wrong.

Unlynch SAR lynch Nav - I’d like to put pressure on Nav. My analysis may have cleared him earlier but mel stated he’s good at changing his game play to come across villager if necessary. So basically throw out my analysis lol

edit: sorry zig to throw out a vote in the middle of tallying

"I don't have good reasons, or really any reasons to lynch him, but I am going to sheep my vote."

1. WonderingStudent
3. Wolfie<3: vouched for
4. Sunbodi: obvious villager
5. killerleaf
6. genny: probably vil based on D2 vote
7. mizchiefmanaged: probably vil based on rez by Coffee
8. Navilly
9. mypetmoose: vil
10. Melchizedek: vil
14. alissa14
15. Ms Procrastinator: probably vil based on D2 vote
21. Lupin21: tunneled on SAR for a loooong while, prob not wolf

Current viable original wolfy candidates remaining (assuming no conversions- too deep of a rabbit hole):
Wondering, killerleaf, nav, alissa

A much easier and cleaner list to look into 🙂

Going to change the list to the following: Wondering, Alissa, Killerleaf, Genny, Myself, MsP

Also I have been tunneled on SAR since day 2, but you are putting Lupin as a villager for that and me as a maybe? I am curious where that logic is coming from?

I have heard that in some games mods will allow a conversion to happen if wolves are doing poorly (which they are). This begs the question, has a conversion happened yet? If not, my bet is that it will happen soon. Maybe it happened tonight and that’s why there wasn’t a night kill. Who knows?

This is the contingency conversion that I have worked into a couple of games. The idea is that if wolves are getting swept they have an additional conversion that is available to them. If they are doing well, that conversion doesn't show up. But they are informed of that type of mechanism at the start of the game, it's not something that just gets added in willy nilly later on. If a team is getting destroyed with the current game set up, then they are getting destroyed.

I can confirm that is not true

I forget what this was about, oh well.

Has anyone gotten any indication (from mods) that they have been checked? (ie in the noob game when diff and grad checked my affiliation/role I got a notification that there were eyes watching me). I haven’t gotten any strange messages indicating this. I realize that not all abilities cause the person being checked to get notified but getting some comfirmation from some people who were vouched for that they think they got a notification about this can be helpful to bolster some claims.

Hey pot, maybe you should talk to kettle about this? Did YOU get any notification of this? As Alissa is claiming to have seered you.

The only reason he’s on mutts is because his literal last second flip didn’t go through. And our lynch yesterday I wouldn’t be surprised at all if at least one wolf was on it because they would know that vengeful wolf wasn’t a thing and even if it was they wouldn’t go after another wolf.

VCA on some people is very very tricky and these are two people I worry about regardless. They’re damn good wolves. And good wolves will bus sometimes and ride that wave to endgame. I don’t have any proof it’s either of them and I’m not pushing them hard right now. But neither of them can be discounted.

You are not pushing me hard right now? You're adorable.

This something isn’t sitting well with me. 3/3 just seems too good to be true...are we sure there are no wolves that can mess with someone’s death flip? (Janitors or something I believe they are called on MafiaWiki)

Given that each of the wolves had pretty much admitted they were wolves prior to flips (after lynch close).... I am going to strongly disagree with this logic.

this is my list more or less...

1. @Navilly
2. @Lupin21
3. @Ms Procrastinator
4. @BigCats
5. @mizchiefmanaged
6. @Wolfie<3
7. @Sunbodi
8. @killerleaf
9. @genny
10. @Melchizedek/@Stagg786

Putting the two people that have had a wolves card since day 2 at the top of your list is flabbergasting. Do you think me and lupin are both wolves? Also @mizchiefmanaged - do you think that with a me and lupin team, wolves would be royally F'ing this game up. And given that both me and lupin are both village reading each other, which very rarely happens because paranoia and all, should be saying something.

 

[Melchizedek]

This is my pool of eels
BigCats
Sunbodi - paranoia is real
mizchiefmanaged - rez/convert paranoia
Navilly
Lupin21

everyone else I have a personal village read on or can otherwise safely put in my village pile.

 

[Navilly]

In an attempt to be helpful:

From D2 and D3 I had a weird feeling that there was a wolf between Tig ol Bitties and SAR, but couldn't suss out if the were W/V or W/W but this is somewhere I'd like to explore.

@Navilly if genny is a wolf then the wolves would have known not to attack me last night

I am confused as to why, but I will roll with it.

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

Did I put myself by asking who to investigate? Also my post about vouching for people, does that in any way out myself. Asking for future games...

You did. You said investigate and not focus on. It was your choice of word that pinged. You using the word investigate was a dead giveaway for me. I asked you to clarify and you said something else so I left it at that. Vouching for people indicates that you're sure and that you know something.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

d5 water break! tally
lupin () -
nav (2) - mpm, bigcats
MsP (2) - sunbodi, alissa

please check your votes!
voting: 4/14

deadline: 7 PM PST

 

[Navilly]

Can you clarify more about this?

I am deciding if I want to out my role now or not as I won't be here for close (or likely much of anytime tonight, since a Friday night in ER land and all). I will start cooking enchiladas and get back to you on it.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

TOC updated

 

[Navilly]

So then why did you submit a list where wondering was first and I was second as of night 1. Why wasn't genny on that list? Doesn't really make sense to me

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Do you have a moment to go back and see where Alissa had stood originally on the whole Genny should be investigated as mayor thing before I came in on DAY 2 and discussed why we shouldn't be doing that?

 

[BigCats]

I am deciding if I want to out my role now or not as I won't be here for close (or likely much of anytime tonight, since a Friday night in ER land and all). I will start cooking enchiladas and get back to you on it.

Valid. Was wondering if it was something I’d missed on thread or not.

 

[deleted804295]

This is my pool of eels
BigCats
Sunbodi - paranoia is real
mizchiefmanaged - rez/convert paranoia
Navilly
Lupin21

everyone else I have a personal village read on or can otherwise safely put in my village pile.

Bad list. Lupin and Nav were on SAR the entire time. Where's your explanation for BigC?

Adding me to the list is laughable.

At this point, I can't take anything you say seriously.



My current list:
Ms P
Alissa

 

[alissa14]

I believe that Alissa is a seer of some sort. That mechanism was way too convoluted for her to come up with. But the question really becomes is she an affiliation seer, as she claims to be, or is she an ability seer on the wolves team, and is running under the cover of an affiliation seer.

As an aside, when I had talked to Ziggy about making games, I talked with them regarding not including affiliation seers in most games. It makes village work a bit more rather than rely on one role to do the work for them. Not saying they did or did not include them, but I think the claim is NAI.

I can only see affiliation. I cannot see ability or role name. I was only able to see @WonderingStudent and @mypetmoose as villagers, nothing more.

So then why did you submit a list where wondering was first and I was second as of night 1. Why wasn't genny on that list? Doesn't really make sense to me

so I debated for a long time in what order I wanted to list each player. Since it was night one, I didn’t have a lot to go off of in terms of reading. I started with wondering because they were a fantastic player in the noob game and they were relatively quiet on day 1. I felt that seering them to clear them would be a good idea. I somewhat based my list off of early vibes, somewhat of what I know about players in past games (I almost had BigCats up higher), and somewhat based on if I knew nothing about a player. That’s why I had you so high up. I knew nothing of your play style so I thought it best to investigate early on. Please keep in mind I had little information to base my investigating on. I decided to put genny at the top of my list, but not first. Since it was already discussed early on that genny was most likely village since she voted for herself for mayor, I decided since my role is already limited on what capacity I can seer other players why waste time looking into someone already determined as likely village vs someone I know little about.

 

[alissa14]

You did. You said investigate and not focus on. It was your choice of word that pinged. You using the word investigate was a dead giveaway for me. I asked you to clarify and you said something else so I left it at that. Vouching for people indicates that you're sure and that you know something.

Is vouching necessarily outing yourself as a seer or more so like you said, just that you have information. I did at one point kinda tongue-n-cheek implied it a couple times by saying “I’ll keep my eye on them”

 

[alissa14]

Do you have a moment to go back and see where Alissa had stood originally on the whole Genny should be investigated as mayor thing before I came in on DAY 2 and discussed why we shouldn't be doing that?

While the whole mayor vote was going on I kept updating my list and the first slot I reserved for whoever became mayor. I later changed it to not Genny because we had discussed that most people who put themselves as mayor know they will be investigated.