how are people paying for RCSI med? 48K in euro/year tuition is really high.. plus living expenses and we're talking over 250,000 euro for the duration.
Stats of Applicants to Irish schools and Acceptance, Waitlist or Rejection
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hmm, i really dont think you can get that much money from banks, especially if you are canadian.
Most banks give you a total of $150 000, if you have a good cosigner.
On top of that, some banks(but not all) have restrictions and only let you use $30 000(ish)/year.
The only reason i didnt apply to rcsi was because i didnt know how i was going to pay for it. i talked to most people, and their parents were paying for it.
Most banks give you a total of $150 000, if you have a good cosigner.
On top of that, some banks(but not all) have restrictions and only let you use $30 000(ish)/year.
The only reason i didnt apply to rcsi was because i didnt know how i was going to pay for it. i talked to most people, and their parents were paying for it.
I am doing a mix of the National Bank of Dad and line of credit. In effect, I'm spending my inheritance early 😛 Many Canadian banks actually increased their standard to $200k canadian (I know Scotia Bank did). I'm not a fan of having Dad pay for part of it but it's by far the cheapest option when available. I am skeptical that two banks would give you a line of credit each but I've never looked into it.
Honestly, I did assume that the family financing option was pretty much the only option to deal such an astronomical tuition fee. It was interesting paying a 9k deposit today when my friend just paid 200 dollars for his haha.
Honestly, I did assume that the family financing option was pretty much the only option to deal such an astronomical tuition fee. It was interesting paying a 9k deposit today when my friend just paid 200 dollars for his haha.
I've already been offered a 150K line of credit from Royal Bank since I've been accepted to a Caribbean school, without a cosigner. My friend was accepted to Limerick last year and obtained two lines of credit at 150K each. Mind you he had his doctor dad cosign. But it definitely is possible, and once I find out about Ireland I will obtain the second one, which my parents can cosign for if it is needed. I don't like the idea of having that much debt but I don't really have a choice about it.
If he had his doctor dad cosign, it's most likely against their doctor sized house 😉 But in seriousness, that's what banks look at. If your family has any assets sitting around, then it makes it a lot easier.
I have recently been accepted to both UCD and RCSI, UCD for the 6-year program and RCSI for the 5-year program. With both my parents being doctors I don't think that it will be difficult getting a loan and getting parents to cover additional costs. I really need to make my choice as i only have untill April 8th to respond and give my 9k deposit, does anyone whos been to either have any suggestions, or things they think i should consider??
My point is that I got a 150k loan without possessing really any assets. I just have good credit I suppose and I was approved for a small line of credit for this past school year, so I'm assuming those helped. Getting another one shouldn't be much of a problem.
Oh I know, getting 150k with an acceptance letter to any professional program isn't a problem at all. Pretty much all (canadian) banks will offer you a glass of wine on the way in if you have the letter. It's the second 150k that most likely needs a cosign or similar.
I'm from: Seoul, Korea
My country of citizenship is: Korea
Previously studying: mechanical engineering and biomedical engineering
At this University: Georgia Institute of Technology and Duke University
My GPA is: 3.48 and 3.63
My MCAT Scores were: Physical Sciences: 14 Verbal: 12
Biological Sciences: 10 Written Sample: R
I applied to: UCD, UCC, Duke-NUS, American schools
I interviewed at: Duke-NUS, Indiana U, U of Minnesota - TC
I was accepted at: Duke-NUS, UCC, UCD
I was waitlisted at:
I was rejected from: some American schools
I am attending: Duke-NUS unless accepted to UMN
I have applied to medical schools this many times: 2
My country of citizenship is: Korea
Previously studying: mechanical engineering and biomedical engineering
At this University: Georgia Institute of Technology and Duke University
My GPA is: 3.48 and 3.63
My MCAT Scores were: Physical Sciences: 14 Verbal: 12
Biological Sciences: 10 Written Sample: R
I applied to: UCD, UCC, Duke-NUS, American schools
I interviewed at: Duke-NUS, Indiana U, U of Minnesota - TC
I was accepted at: Duke-NUS, UCC, UCD
I was waitlisted at:
I was rejected from: some American schools
I am attending: Duke-NUS unless accepted to UMN
I have applied to medical schools this many times: 2
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I have spoken to several Canadian doctors who studied in Ireland now practicing in my town and all have said the same thing, it's all about preperation, knowing where you want to end up and adjusting your electives and time off to go with that.
It is also a matter of which area you wish to practice when you return (ie. plastics vs. family doc.) Obviously getting back into Canada as a surgeon or super specialized area will be much tougher as these specialties really only exist in larger city centers, such as Toronto.
From the people i have spoken to, i have heard that as long as you try to make contacts early, apply early, create a resume to suite your desires and are willing to perhaps work in an urban area and pay dues then getting back will happen for you.
It is also a matter of which area you wish to practice when you return (ie. plastics vs. family doc.) Obviously getting back into Canada as a surgeon or super specialized area will be much tougher as these specialties really only exist in larger city centers, such as Toronto.
From the people i have spoken to, i have heard that as long as you try to make contacts early, apply early, create a resume to suite your desires and are willing to perhaps work in an urban area and pay dues then getting back will happen for you.
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What exactly is "preparing"?
Doing electives in Canada/US?
How do you get connections in Canada if you are in Ireland anyways...
I think it might be a case by case basis, but I've been doing research for 5 years in physical medicine, orthopedics, and geriatrics, so I have contacts in those areas to set up electives. I also know a fair number of specialists in areas I'm toying with (where I'm from) as well.
As for other cities/provinces, early contact + I will be using references if needed from graduate supervisors. Again, EARLY contact is probably the key part though.
*edit* and for making contact from Ireland, many of the canadian schools have contacts to set up electives if you are outside of their university.
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I just got accepted into Trinity (5yr program)
GPA: 3.55
MCAT: 9/7/10
From: UofT , canada
Applied: once.
Should I wait for the UCD/UCC as they are 4yr programs?
I also got accepted into SGU (top carib school).
How are 5yr programs looked at in Canada/US? Are there any disadvantages? Any experiences?
What do you guys think...I have to make a decision by the end of this week!
GPA: 3.55
MCAT: 9/7/10
From: UofT , canada
Applied: once.
Should I wait for the UCD/UCC as they are 4yr programs?
I also got accepted into SGU (top carib school).
How are 5yr programs looked at in Canada/US? Are there any disadvantages? Any experiences?
What do you guys think...I have to make a decision by the end of this week!
I was just accepted into Trinity as well and having the same debate. I talked to an ER physician here in Ottawa who graduated from Trinity in 2003 and he had nothing but good things to say about the university. He said he and his graduating class had no problem getting into the specialties they desired back in Canada but didn't really elaborate any further. I don't know how much truth there is to this or how it translates over time and I'm sure someone knows more. But good luck with the decision.
I emailed ABP and they let me know this morning and I just received the acceptance package from FedEx a little while ago. You can check your credit card statement too and there should be a charge of about 30 dollars from ABP.
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Does trinity offer an M.D or what? Silly Q I know.
Got my Trinity Acceptance Letter Yesterday! I don't know if I'll be able to do it, bc I also got a job offer that will lead me down a different path that I might ought to take. The money part is difficult too. But here are my stats for those that wonder:
I'm from: New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
My country of citizenship is: USA
Currently studying: I'm a Research Tech in Cardiovascular Research
At this University: I graduated from Loyola University New Orleans with 2 majors and 3 minors.
My GPA is: 3.80
My MCAT Scores were: N/A: I didnt take MCAT
I should also mention that I've been in research for 3 years have my name on 5 high impact journals, and have about 30 or so oral and poster presentations at competitive national scientific meetings on my cv.
I applied to: Trinity College Dublin, and Galway
I was accepted at: Trinity College Dublin
I was waitlisted at:
I was rejected from:
Have not heard from: Galway
My first choice school is: Trinity
I have applied to medical schools this many times: First Application
For those hoping to get in later, what I did for my application.
A) I included a 1 page resume that only included my impressive academic honors and such (ie no papers or research experience here).
B) for the research experience part instead of boring them with another essay to read, I just did a CV style list of my publications and presentations (in the correct format). Hopefully they liked not having ANOTHER essay to read but still got the impression that I had a very nice amount of research experience.
C) I studied abroad at Trinity during undergrad. Being able to write about that in my personal statement certainly made a difference! If you cant study there, visit Ireland first. Make sure you truly love the country before commit 5 years of your life to it. I have to admit it is FANTASTIC, but without any idea of going there..... why should they believe that ireland is the fit for you?
D) I had a committee letter and a letter from my current boss: Chief of Cardio. ABP told me that they might not consider the letter of my boss in addition to the committee letter. I had the letter sent anyways. He could speak about my professional abilities as opposed to just academic. I'm not sure if they used the letter, but when in doubt I say send it.... if they don't want to read it, they aren't going to.
E) For the financial aid question, I just broke it down into percents of how I was going to pay for it ie. familial support, savings, and loans. Someone scared me by posting that they frown upon saying you are paying in loans. I dont think this is true. I told them the vast majority of mine would be paid in loans (if I can get them!)
F) Also, I'm 26 and a little older than most of the entering class of TCD. I didn't know if this would have a negative impact on my application, but apparently it did not. So for those older folks, don't worry about it. Just make sure you have been doing some science or something in the medical field to strengthen your application since being out of Undergrad.
Ok, sorry for the novel, but these are some of the things I would have liked to know when I was applying. I hope they help someone else get the same as I did. Trinity is a dream come true. But even this dream has its costs; we'll see if I can get the courage to go into that much debt!
Cheers,
Charlotte
I'm from: New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
My country of citizenship is: USA
Currently studying: I'm a Research Tech in Cardiovascular Research
At this University: I graduated from Loyola University New Orleans with 2 majors and 3 minors.
My GPA is: 3.80
My MCAT Scores were: N/A: I didnt take MCAT
I should also mention that I've been in research for 3 years have my name on 5 high impact journals, and have about 30 or so oral and poster presentations at competitive national scientific meetings on my cv.
I applied to: Trinity College Dublin, and Galway
I was accepted at: Trinity College Dublin
I was waitlisted at:
I was rejected from:
Have not heard from: Galway
My first choice school is: Trinity
I have applied to medical schools this many times: First Application
For those hoping to get in later, what I did for my application.
A) I included a 1 page resume that only included my impressive academic honors and such (ie no papers or research experience here).
B) for the research experience part instead of boring them with another essay to read, I just did a CV style list of my publications and presentations (in the correct format). Hopefully they liked not having ANOTHER essay to read but still got the impression that I had a very nice amount of research experience.
C) I studied abroad at Trinity during undergrad. Being able to write about that in my personal statement certainly made a difference! If you cant study there, visit Ireland first. Make sure you truly love the country before commit 5 years of your life to it. I have to admit it is FANTASTIC, but without any idea of going there..... why should they believe that ireland is the fit for you?
D) I had a committee letter and a letter from my current boss: Chief of Cardio. ABP told me that they might not consider the letter of my boss in addition to the committee letter. I had the letter sent anyways. He could speak about my professional abilities as opposed to just academic. I'm not sure if they used the letter, but when in doubt I say send it.... if they don't want to read it, they aren't going to.
E) For the financial aid question, I just broke it down into percents of how I was going to pay for it ie. familial support, savings, and loans. Someone scared me by posting that they frown upon saying you are paying in loans. I dont think this is true. I told them the vast majority of mine would be paid in loans (if I can get them!)
F) Also, I'm 26 and a little older than most of the entering class of TCD. I didn't know if this would have a negative impact on my application, but apparently it did not. So for those older folks, don't worry about it. Just make sure you have been doing some science or something in the medical field to strengthen your application since being out of Undergrad.
Ok, sorry for the novel, but these are some of the things I would have liked to know when I was applying. I hope they help someone else get the same as I did. Trinity is a dream come true. But even this dream has its costs; we'll see if I can get the courage to go into that much debt!
Cheers,
Charlotte
Hello everyone!
I'm a high school student from Toronto, Canada.
I recently got accepted to UCD and RCIS's 6 year medical program.
As the deadline for RCIS is approaching (deposit) I have to make a decision whether I will attend UCD or RCIS.
I have "googled" on internet to find information about both schools, yet I am still debating whether I should attend UCD or RCIS.
I thought it would be best to ask those whom are applying/attending the school.
So what are your opinions? UCD? or RCIS?
Thank you all! 🙂
I'm a high school student from Toronto, Canada.
I recently got accepted to UCD and RCIS's 6 year medical program.
As the deadline for RCIS is approaching (deposit) I have to make a decision whether I will attend UCD or RCIS.
I have "googled" on internet to find information about both schools, yet I am still debating whether I should attend UCD or RCIS.
I thought it would be best to ask those whom are applying/attending the school.
So what are your opinions? UCD? or RCIS?
Thank you all! 🙂
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From what I've read here. I think most will tell you RCSI is better for Canadians than UCD.
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Medical school is not easy. Big difference from high school. Expect to study hard. Workload is heavy.
Congrats to you all.
I'm a first-year at TCD now, and Canadian myself. There are pros and cons of course with any school. In my opinion, going to med school is Ireland is a truly viable option for those who seriously cannot get into the US or Canada for med school. I interviewed unsuccessfully at UBC 3 years in a row before deciding to take this, my next best option. Ireland is looked upon more favourably than most other countries for most Canadian residencies - but you will only get as much out of your education here as you put in (ie. do well in electives, exams, etc).
There are about 19 Canadians in my year, ~6 Americans, and ~20 Malaysians. The class has between 150-160 students. (also of note: seems like most of my colleagues have parents who are docs, but not me... I did however get $150k cosigned with my dad and $150k on my own with RBC)
Pros - Life in Europe, good exposure (ie. lecturers, cadavers -- which they don't have in Limerick), it will (hopefully) all come together in 5 years
Cons - Dublin is an expensive city, tuition is expensive, EVERYTHING in Ireland seems to be annoyingly easy going and only 'penciled in', and going to school with people who have just finished high school is sometimes frustrating
I originally wished I was in a 4-year program, but I think the 5 years here will benefit me to the point that I'll be better educated and will have more exposure which will benefit for CaRMS matching and life as a doc in general.
There were three Canadian grads from here this year and one matched UofT ortho. Dr. Sandra Banner came out to speak to us about the match and she said there was something like a 60% success rate for Irish-educated Canadians returning to Canada, and this was higher than any country outside of the US. You will of course have to seriously consider the US as your residency backup as no spot is guaranteed in Ireland for us non-EUs.
Also.. we actually get a BA and MBBChBAO (but I'm told the BAO designation is not actaully applicable for use anywhere). It is the same as an MD.
FYI there is a new facebook group for the TCD med class of 2015 here: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=108605682504597&ref=ts
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Great idea starting this thread!
I'm from: Ontario
My country of citizenship is: Canada
Currently studying: Nutrition and Food (Bachelor of Applied Science)
At this University: Ryerson University
My GPA is: 3.53 - 3.14 in first year (not great, I know!), 3.81 in second, 3.63 in third and I think it'll wind up being about 3.86 in this, my final, year
My MCAT Scores were: Didn't do it!
I applied to: Trinity, National University of Ireland Galway
I was accepted at: Galway!!!!!
I was waitlisted at: Trinity
I was rejected from:
My first choice school is: Trinity... but I'm happily taking Galway at this point!
I have applied to medical schools this many times: 2... but last year I only applied to Mac
I'm from: Ontario
My country of citizenship is: Canada
Currently studying: Nutrition and Food (Bachelor of Applied Science)
At this University: Ryerson University
My GPA is: 3.53 - 3.14 in first year (not great, I know!), 3.81 in second, 3.63 in third and I think it'll wind up being about 3.86 in this, my final, year
My MCAT Scores were: Didn't do it!
I applied to: Trinity, National University of Ireland Galway
I was accepted at: Galway!!!!!
I was waitlisted at: Trinity
I was rejected from:
My first choice school is: Trinity... but I'm happily taking Galway at this point!
I have applied to medical schools this many times: 2... but last year I only applied to Mac
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Do you guys think that UCD would accept people with 3.5 and 26MCAT?
I don't know whether I should decline my Trinity acceptance and wait for UCD or pay the $6k deposit. Any ideas??
I don't know whether I should decline my Trinity acceptance and wait for UCD or pay the $6k deposit. Any ideas??
nothing is a guarantee with med schools - however i do have 2 friends at UCD with 3.5 GPA and 25 and 28 MCATs respectively.
however that was last year and they had strong EC involvement. whats wrong with trinity? haha jk
however that was last year and they had strong EC involvement. whats wrong with trinity? haha jk
Wow, I have been waiting to contribute to a thread like this for a long time 😀.
I'm from: Ontario
My country of citizenship is: Canada
Currently: Research Assistant Clinical Epidemiology
University Degree: Biomedical Science (class of 2009) University of Ottawa
My GPA is: ~3.5 OMSAS - 3.2 (1st year) 3.6 (2nd year) 3.4 (3rd year) 3.8 (4th year)
My MCAT Scores were: 9P 7V 12B O - 28O
I applied to: Trinity, Galway, Cork, UCD, RCSI, Limerick
I was accepted at: Limerick
I was waitlisted at: RCSI, 2nd round for Cork, not heard from the rest yet
I was rejected from: none
I'm from: Ontario
My country of citizenship is: Canada
Currently: Research Assistant Clinical Epidemiology
University Degree: Biomedical Science (class of 2009) University of Ottawa
My GPA is: ~3.5 OMSAS - 3.2 (1st year) 3.6 (2nd year) 3.4 (3rd year) 3.8 (4th year)
My MCAT Scores were: 9P 7V 12B O - 28O
I applied to: Trinity, Galway, Cork, UCD, RCSI, Limerick
I was accepted at: Limerick
I was waitlisted at: RCSI, 2nd round for Cork, not heard from the rest yet
I was rejected from: none
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were they fedex'd out? This seems really soon for offers, it hasn't even been a week!!!
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I missed a Fedex package today. Fingers crossed. I was also in touch with another person that interviewed and my understanding is that rejections were emailed. No email yet !!!
ARGH where's my letter?! Haha, at least I didn't get an email saying "Sorry you suck, we don't want you in Limerick. That is all." Maybe it'll come tomorrow. Maybe FedEx is out to get me, they were threatening to take me to court one time cause I took a year to pay their delivery fee. That might be it...
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Yeah, they only courier it if it's an acceptance letter. So that's a good, good sign! 🙂
Curious... I have yet to receive ANYTHING or HEAR from any of the Irish programs (not even interviews) and it's already April 9th, 2010. I applied via the Atlantic Bridge Program. Anyone else in a similar situation? Fortunately, I have been admitted to some US programs but, I am still considering Ireland. Anyone in a similar boat?
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Call the Atlantic Bridge Program. They are very good at answering any of your questions, but with a US program in your back pocket, I would go to the US. There are lots of adversities coming back from Ireland, and US programs are generally much cheaper.
Hey AJS, I'm in the same position as you. I am fairly certain I will stay stateside, but I would like to hear from ABP before making final decisions. Remember, it's early in the Irish process. From the FAQ sheet:
Congrats to everyone who's in and good luck to the rest of us!
I'm from: Saskatoon, SK
My country of citizenship is: Canadian
Currently studying: Honours B.S. Microbiology/Immunology, and B.S. Anatomy/Cell Biology
At this University: University of Saskatchewan
My GPA is: 3.02 (not counting the current year, will be higher at the end of the school year)
My MCAT Scores were: Physical Sciences: 7 Verbal: 10
Biological Sciences: 10 Written Sample: R
I applied to: U of Saskatchewan, U of Manitoba, Trinity, UCD, RCSI, UCC, NUIG, Limerick, AUC
I was interviewed at: U of Sask (March 21), Limerick (April 2)
I was accepted at: AUC, UCC
I was waitlisted at:
I was rejected from: U of Manitoba, Limerick 🙁 (Limerick was one of my first realistic choices), Trinity, UCD
My first choice school is: An Irish school. Getting into a Canadian school with my marks is essentially the equivalent of winning the lottery.
My country of citizenship is: Canadian
Currently studying: Honours B.S. Microbiology/Immunology, and B.S. Anatomy/Cell Biology
At this University: University of Saskatchewan
My GPA is: 3.02 (not counting the current year, will be higher at the end of the school year)
My MCAT Scores were: Physical Sciences: 7 Verbal: 10
Biological Sciences: 10 Written Sample: R
I applied to: U of Saskatchewan, U of Manitoba, Trinity, UCD, RCSI, UCC, NUIG, Limerick, AUC
I was interviewed at: U of Sask (March 21), Limerick (April 2)
I was accepted at: AUC, UCC
I was waitlisted at:
I was rejected from: U of Manitoba, Limerick 🙁 (Limerick was one of my first realistic choices), Trinity, UCD
My first choice school is: An Irish school. Getting into a Canadian school with my marks is essentially the equivalent of winning the lottery.
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i was wondering, is there a way to find out our position on the waitlist? I know they have that here in some Canadian universities, would Irish schools tell us our position if I called them?
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The ABP application process really confuses me.
1) Didnt ABP specifically state in their application instruction to not call them? Many of the students are calling/pressing ABP for their results. Obviously, they are getting some really satisfactory answers and even acceptance packages.
Quote: So, we ask you to please be patient during the admissions season. If you think you might have a problem exercising patience during the admissions process, this may not be the program for you.
2) Didnt ABP specifically state in their application instruction to submit your documents on time so that they are not marked Late. By submitting documents late you are giving the applicants who submitted theirs on time a competitive advantage over you.
Now, I am not sure if people who submit their applications on time have a competitive advantage over people who submit their applications late. People who submit their applications late are getting acceptances and people who submit their applications ON TIME are still patiently waiting for results.
3) Didnt ABP specifically state in their application instruction that The committees are solely responsible for making the decisions as to which students are selected for admission.
Then, how come one of the students on the forum stated that ABP told him he only has a 10% chance of getting accepted into UCD if he is now waitlisted. WAIT A SECOND, where did that number 10% come from?
This is all too absurd. Why bother to submit applications on time and patiently wait for your results when you can call? Why even bother to email students a copy of the application instructions if ABP is not even following the rules themselves. This application process should be first come, first serve as ABP claims it to be. This is not the airport luggage system in which people who check-in last can still possibly claim their luggage first.
1) Didnt ABP specifically state in their application instruction to not call them? Many of the students are calling/pressing ABP for their results. Obviously, they are getting some really satisfactory answers and even acceptance packages.
Quote: So, we ask you to please be patient during the admissions season. If you think you might have a problem exercising patience during the admissions process, this may not be the program for you.
2) Didnt ABP specifically state in their application instruction to submit your documents on time so that they are not marked Late. By submitting documents late you are giving the applicants who submitted theirs on time a competitive advantage over you.
Now, I am not sure if people who submit their applications on time have a competitive advantage over people who submit their applications late. People who submit their applications late are getting acceptances and people who submit their applications ON TIME are still patiently waiting for results.
3) Didnt ABP specifically state in their application instruction that The committees are solely responsible for making the decisions as to which students are selected for admission.
Then, how come one of the students on the forum stated that ABP told him he only has a 10% chance of getting accepted into UCD if he is now waitlisted. WAIT A SECOND, where did that number 10% come from?
This is all too absurd. Why bother to submit applications on time and patiently wait for your results when you can call? Why even bother to email students a copy of the application instructions if ABP is not even following the rules themselves. This application process should be first come, first serve as ABP claims it to be. This is not the airport luggage system in which people who check-in last can still possibly claim their luggage first.
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Hey Vancouver Maple,
You are 100% correct and I totally agree. The ABP process has been nothing like they described on their website. I have a feeling that this is the attitude of the Irish and, for those going to med school in Ireland, be prepared for this type of behavior. I have read numberous posts on how frustrating the Irish system is on actually doing what they say...ex. classes get canceled last minute, schedules change, and the international student really has to push and take the proactive role in their success to securing a U.S. or Canadian residency.
I think you should email the ABP what you wrote here because everything you said is accurate. However, maybe you should do that after you get into an Irish school...lol. You don't want to piss them off if they could possibly have a hand in what applications are being considered!
Katie
You are 100% correct and I totally agree. The ABP process has been nothing like they described on their website. I have a feeling that this is the attitude of the Irish and, for those going to med school in Ireland, be prepared for this type of behavior. I have read numberous posts on how frustrating the Irish system is on actually doing what they say...ex. classes get canceled last minute, schedules change, and the international student really has to push and take the proactive role in their success to securing a U.S. or Canadian residency.
I think you should email the ABP what you wrote here because everything you said is accurate. However, maybe you should do that after you get into an Irish school...lol. You don't want to piss them off if they could possibly have a hand in what applications are being considered!
Katie
