Strep throat nightmare--please help!

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getunconcsious

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Hey guys,
I am wondering if anyone has experienced anything similar to this. I am desperate and have been to the dr. twice and that hasn't helped.

On April 1, I woke up very sick with classic symptoms of strep throat (i.e. really bad sore throat, fever, bodyaches, etc.) I proceeded to go to the doctor but this incompetent woman diagnosed it as 'viral pharyngitis' and refused to give me antibiotics. Knowing better than her what it was, I took some Bactrim that my roommate and I bought in Mexico. But I didn't have enough and I ran out of it about a week ago.

Now I'm in complete hell with strep throat, this time worse than before. I went to a different doc on Monday morning, and he correctly diagnosed it as strep and put me on Ciprofloxacin (500 mg) and Naproxen Sodium (550 mg) and said to take each twice a day. I've now taken four doses of each (2 yesterday, 2 today) and I still feel like I am getting worse. It's completely debilitating and the sickest I have been since I had appendicitis 8 years ago. I cannot talk or swallow, and have long ago stopped eating. I have painful inflammation on the right side of my jaw, and my right ear hurts and I can't hear well. My lymph nodes and tonsils are so swollen that it is noticeable without even touching them. I don't have time for this as I have finals, papers, work, etc.

I wouldn't be posting this here (I'm not even sure if it's really allowed) but I am miserable and DESPERATE--with a capital D. What would you guys do in my situation? I've thought about trying to get 1) a shot of high powered antibiotics or 2) a tonsillectomy. Should I try to get something like that, or just wait it out?

Thanks a million for anything you can tell me!

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You should stop trying to self-diagnose and self-treat (which, arguably, got you into this mess in the first place,) and go to an ER. Or at least, go see a doctor in the morning. It's not up to you to decide to get a tonsillectomy or to take Mexican Bactrim, it is up to you in consultation with your PCP. Let them help - you need medical supervision right now. I'd personally go to an ER because it sounds serious and they can probably give you some corticosteroids to help with the inflammation, but that's just me. Feel better.
 
stinkycheese said:
You should stop trying to self-diagnose and self-treat (which, arguably, got you into this mess in the first place,) and go to an ER.


Maybe I should go to an ER, I'm wondering about it. But if you read my post, I didn't initially want to self-diagnose or self-treat...the initial physician misdiagnosed me with viral pharyngitis! I don't have a PCP here in Houston since I've never really been sick here before...*sigh* I just don't know what I'm going to do. 🙁
 
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I was diagnosed with strep but it turned out to be coxsackie virus. My throat was pretty bad for like 3 solid weeks.


I ended up getting bronchitis but Azithromycin cleared it right up.
 
I'm sorry to hear that! 🙁

I would say go to the ER. I think you need immediate medical attention/intervention. I hope you get to feel better very soon.
 
first off...you shouldn't be asking medical advice from a bunch of premeds...

second...you should know better than taking someone else's meds...

One thing I would be concerned about is developing a tonsillar abscess...

symptoms include...very bad sore throat...pain along jaw to behind ear...fever...etc...you can also look at the back of your throat...with an abscess your uvula will often deviate to the other side...

if it doesn't start to feel better by tomorrow I would see a physician..

good luck
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I just went through the same process. On the 3rd day I called the doc back and he called in Vicodin 500's for me, which served two purposes. First Hydorcodoine (sp?) stops coughing. 2. It, of course helped with the pain.

Now I am not saying pain killers are good for everything, but it does stop coughing, and will make it so you can swallow easier. Which is very important for getting the strength you need to get well.
 
They should do a throat swab to test for Strep. There is a 15 minute quick test that can positively ID strep, but if it's negative you will need to wait a couple of days for the results to come back in. Bactrim is a sulfa antibiotic. You probably shouldn't have taken it if you couldn't complete the therapy since you just killed the weak bacteria and allowed the stronger ones to thrive. You might need a stronger drug now. I had strep and amoxicillin cleared it right up. Go see a doctor.
 
I get strep 3-4 times a year 👎 . I know why don't I get those things jerked out, neither of the two ENTs I have seen thought they could get insurance to pay for it, oh well. When my PCP sees me coming he just prescribes a Z-Pak and I feel much better inside of 24hrs. If the med you have are not working it is time to think about seeing someone for a reassessment. Hope you get feeling better.
 
tegs15 said:
I get strep 3-4 times a year 👎 .

😱 I got strep ONCE and I hope it will never ever happen to me again. It was horrible... :scared:

To the OP: take your behind to a "real" ER asap - not the student health center on your campus.

Hope you feel better soon! 😳
 
getunconcsious said:
Hey guys,
I am wondering if anyone has experienced anything similar to this. I am desperate and have been to the dr. twice and that hasn't helped.

On April 1, I woke up very sick with classic symptoms of strep throat (i.e. really bad sore throat, fever, bodyaches, etc.) I proceeded to go to the doctor but this incompetent woman diagnosed it as 'viral pharyngitis' and refused to give me antibiotics. Knowing better than her what it was, I took some Bactrim that my roommate and I bought in Mexico. But I didn't have enough and I ran out of it about a week ago.

Now I'm in complete hell with strep throat, this time worse than before. I went to a different doc on Monday morning, and he correctly diagnosed it as strep and put me on Ciprofloxacin (500 mg) and Naproxen Sodium (550 mg) and said to take each twice a day. I've now taken four doses of each (2 yesterday, 2 today) and I still feel like I am getting worse. It's completely debilitating and the sickest I have been since I had appendicitis 8 years ago. I cannot talk or swallow, and have long ago stopped eating. I have painful inflammation on the right side of my jaw, and my right ear hurts and I can't hear well. My lymph nodes and tonsils are so swollen that it is noticeable without even touching them. I don't have time for this as I have finals, papers, work, etc.

I wouldn't be posting this here (I'm not even sure if it's really allowed) but I am miserable and DESPERATE--with a capital D. What would you guys do in my situation? I've thought about trying to get 1) a shot of high powered antibiotics or 2) a tonsillectomy. Should I try to get something like that, or just wait it out?

Thanks a million for anything you can tell me!


I had a sore throat of possible strep etiology that progressed to a peritonsillar abscess that required an ER admission, so be careful. The ordeal began with the exam same presentation as you. Antibiotics take several days to elicit their effects so you need to be patient; it takes time to reach a effective concentration and more time after that to kill off the bacteria. Stronger antibiotics wont really work any faster. The thing I would worry about is getting an anaerobic infection secondary to the strep. Anyway, try to pry some hydrocodone/APAP off your doc if the pain is that unbearable. Your ear hurting is probably referred pain from your throat. You should observe the swelling, the swelling inside my the side of my throat turned out to be the abscess. BTW I was started on clindamycin and was then switched to amoxicillin. (btw this is all just from my own experience, im not qualified to make any kind of suggestion or diag.)

I would refrain from self diagnosing. Your PCP was probably doing the right thing being that the majority of phayringitis case tend to be viral in etiology. In addition young age is a risk factor for strep so the older you are the more likely it is viral. Your PCP would know better than to take some shady antibiotics from mexico. Who knows whats in those pills, you couldve ended up with something much worse than strep, and stopping your course of bootleg antibiotics probably helped select some of the hardier bacteria to continue your infection.
 
Go to the emergency right away, i.e. tomorrow or even tonight, if need be.

I had a similar, but slightly different case, one year ago.

It started as a cold, but the cough wouldn't go away. I was getting cough attacks every night, so I could scarcely breathe. Finally, I went to the emergency service. The stupid doctor gave me a mild anti-inflammatory - she said it was probably "an allergy." ID din't get better, in fact the inhaler made it worse. Then, later that week I went to see FP guy. He though it was "auto-immune" - so he prescribed prednisone. They all tested for pneumonia (just with the stethoscope), but it came up as negative. The second doctor double checked to have an X-ray.

Then, in the middle of my med school interview (it was two days, and this happened on the night of the first day), I get a call from my parents that says that the stupid doctor misplaced the X-ray, then he "found it" one week after it was produced, and the radiologist said it was pneumonia - probably mycoplasmic. So they were giving me an immunosuppressant when I had pneumonia. So then my student host drags me to the emergency at the hospital at 1:30 in the morning. They gave me Zithromax, and two days later I was feeling much, much better.

So yeah, some of these people are stupid quacks.
 
I agree with those who say you should go to the ER as soon as possible. I had a strep infection over Thanksgiving last year, and my PCP wasn't working, so I saw her partner, who didn't do a strep test and who didn't give me antibiotics. I suffered through five days of this over Thanksgiving weekend, and then on the Monday after I finally saw my PCP. She diagnosed me with scarlet fever, and even though I was given antibiotics it took forever to get over it. I was still feeling sick for about 2 weeks afterward. Scarlet fever is not fun. 😡

The moral of the story: get some help, and make sure you have a strep test. It's simple, easy, and can save you from a lot of misery if it's positive.

Good luck!
 
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Go back and demand a strep test. My roomate had a horrible sore throat a while back and it turned out she had mono. If it is a viral infection you are only making it worse by taking antibiotics. Kills off happy normal bacteria and leaves you to possible secondary oportunistic infections ect.
 
Hey guys, I still can't talk, eat, drink, or anything so I am headed to the ER 🙁

I hope my teachers will be understanding about tests, at this point i feel i have no choice but to go to the hospital.

Thanks to all for your advice...PCP's sure can be quacks sometimes! 👎
 
getunconcsious said:
Hey guys, I still can't talk, eat, drink, or anything so I am headed to the ER 🙁

I hope my teachers will be understanding about tests, at this point i feel i have no choice but to go to the hospital.

Thanks to all for your advice...PCP's sure can be quacks sometimes! 👎

Good luck! If you don't end up going to the hospital, at least try and see an ENT. I know all about the not eating/drinking thing. I once had an ulcer on my uvula and could not sleep for 4 days (it BURNED every time I would inhale). After first being misdiagnosed with bacterial infection, I saw another doctor who gave me this wonderful medicine that completely numbed my throat. It was bliss, except I couldn't feel myself swallow.

Hope you feel better...BTW, have you decided on UT-Houston yet? I know this isn't your top concern right now. Just wondering.
 
That Vics chlorosceptic spray is a lifesaver for a strept throat. It deosnt cure it, it just makes you not feel it!

When I get strept throat, I always get an ear infection too. Amoxicillan is great for those... but as other people said, this is a PREmed board, we cant be diagnosing or prescribing anything!
 
exmike said:
Antibiotics take several days to elicit their effects so you need to be patient; it takes time to reach a effective concentration and more time after that to kill off the bacteria. Stronger antibiotics wont really work any faster.

That was my gut reaction too -- the prescribed antibiotics probably need better than 2 days to be effective (my doc usually says call if you don't feel better in 5-8 days). Then again, there are now a ton of AB resistant bacteria about, thanks to rampant overuse of the Z-pack, etc. these days, so that could be part of the problem.
So sounds like going to the ER and getting a strep test isn't a bad idea.
 
getunconcsious said:
Hey guys,
I am wondering if anyone has experienced anything similar to this. I am desperate and have been to the dr. twice and that hasn't helped.

On April 1, I woke up very sick with classic symptoms of strep throat (i.e. really bad sore throat, fever, bodyaches, etc.) I proceeded to go to the doctor but this incompetent woman diagnosed it as 'viral pharyngitis' and refused to give me antibiotics. Knowing better than her what it was, I took some Bactrim that my roommate and I bought in Mexico. But I didn't have enough and I ran out of it about a week ago.

Now I'm in complete hell with strep throat, this time worse than before. I went to a different doc on Monday morning, and he correctly diagnosed it as strep and put me on Ciprofloxacin (500 mg) and Naproxen Sodium (550 mg) and said to take each twice a day. I've now taken four doses of each (2 yesterday, 2 today) and I still feel like I am getting worse. It's completely debilitating and the sickest I have been since I had appendicitis 8 years ago. I cannot talk or swallow, and have long ago stopped eating. I have painful inflammation on the right side of my jaw, and my right ear hurts and I can't hear well. My lymph nodes and tonsils are so swollen that it is noticeable without even touching them. I don't have time for this as I have finals, papers, work, etc.

I wouldn't be posting this here (I'm not even sure if it's really allowed) but I am miserable and DESPERATE--with a capital D. What would you guys do in my situation? I've thought about trying to get 1) a shot of high powered antibiotics or 2) a tonsillectomy. Should I try to get something like that, or just wait it out?

Thanks a million for anything you can tell me!

If you really do have a group A streptococcus infection (which typically cause what is call "strep throat"), it's crap that they gave you ciprofloxacin. First off, group A strep remains universally susceptible to penicillin while resistance to cipro is increasing. There is no need to use a broad-spectrum drug in this case (assuming it is strep throat). This is how drug resistance develops. I do research on drug resistance so this really annoys me. Also, I don't know what the clinical response is when strep throat is treated with cipro, but you usually start feeling better within 24 hours with a penicillin derivative. Anyway, sorry for the rant and sorry you're so sick. Hope you feel better soon
 
Brain said:
If you really do have a group A streptococcus infection (which typically cause what is call "strep throat"), it's crap that they gave you ciprofloxacin. First off, group A strep remains universally susceptible to penicillin while resistance to cipro is increasing. There is no need to use a broad-spectrum drug in this case (assuming it is strep throat). This is how drug resistance develops. I do research on drug resistance so this really annoys me. Also, I don't know what the clinical response is when strep throat is treated with cipro, but you usually start feeling better within 24 hours with a penicillin derivative. Anyway, sorry for the rant and sorry you're so sick. Hope you feel better soon


Hey there brain 🙂 Just got back from the hospital, and yeah, it was group A, good old beta hemolytic strep. And I do feel vindicated because they told me pretty much what you just said, that the PCP's I went to see were incompetent, and that's why it got as bad as it did. I got the abscess drained which hurt like a biotch, but now I'm on heavy-duty antibiotics (Clindamycin, 900 mg per day) and 😍 codeine! 😍 So I'm feeling no pain.

You guys, THANK YOU for the responses. They say never to ask for medical advice on here, but I am glad I did, because if it hadn't been for you guys telling me about tonsillar abscess and to get to the ER, I'd have probably just waited around and gotten much sicker. Even though a lot of you admonished me, I'm grateful that yall convinced me to drag my dumb a$$ to the ER. 😛
 
Glad you're feeling so much better! Codeine is pretty nice stuff, eh? Go rest!
 
getunconcsious said:
Hey there brain 🙂 Just got back from the hospital, and yeah, it was group A, good old beta hemolytic strep. And I do feel vindicated because they told me pretty much what you just said, that the PCP's I went to see were incompetent, and that's why it got as bad as it did. I got the abscess drained which hurt like a biotch, but now I'm on heavy-duty antibiotics (Clindamycin, 900 mg per day) and 😍 codeine! 😍 So I'm feeling no pain.

You guys, THANK YOU for the responses. They say never to ask for medical advice on here, but I am glad I did, because if it hadn't been for you guys telling me about tonsillar abscess and to get to the ER, I'd have probably just waited around and gotten much sicker. Even though a lot of you admonished me, I'm grateful that yall convinced me to drag my dumb a$$ to the ER. 😛

so it looks like a mirror image of what happend to me. Yah getting it drained is fraggin painful. So did they counsel you on getting a tonsillectomy? I'm still considering it...
 
Oh, I so feel your pain. Glad you got it taken care of.

Since we're on the subject, please permit me to rant at length about my experiences with campus health care and peritonsillar abcesses. Warning, gross detail involved.

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One chilly October morning, I woke up with a sore throat. I didn't think too much of it since at least half the people I knew were sick. By the end of that day, however, it had progressed to the worst sore throat I had ever had in my whole life. Half my throat was swollen and there was a big ol' white patch about the size of a nickel on my right tonsil. Checked my temp and it was 102. I called the campus health clinic and got an appointment for the next morning. When I got there, they had me see a nurse. (Disclaimer: I am a nurse. I have nothing against nurses in general. This one, however, gives the entire profession a bad name.) This nurse looks in my throat and tells me it's probably viral, I should just go home and take some tylenol. I am uncomfortable with this assessment and ask for a rapid strep. He says, we don't do those here, they're too expensive and 99% of the time, it's not strep. I say I want a throat culture, at the very least. He hems and haws and says "I really don't think it's strep, your throat is just a little red." I say, incredulously, "I have a fever of 102 and a giant patch of exudate on my right tonsil, did you miss that? I want a culture to rule out strep." He finally agrees and proceeds to culture the roof of my mouth instead of my throat. I tell him that he missed my tonsil completely. He says that he doesn't have to be right on the spot. I tell him that I know that but somewhere in the oropharynx would have been nice. By this time I am just incensed and I decide to leave.

Of course, I have a secret weapon. My boyfriend, the MD. He has a hard rule about not treating family and friends but when I told him this story he went ballistic and came over to see me. He takes one look at my throat and tells me that I am developing a peritonsillar abcess (no wonder it hurt so fricking much, I had been thinking I was just a big crybaby). He also confirms that my throat looks like a textbook case of strep and that I need to go back and get a referral to an ENT.

So back to the clinic I traipse and refuse to leave until I have seen an actual physician who will provide me with a referral over to ENT. I get a very nice lady who looks in my mouth and says wow, yeah, you should get over there. So I go over to the hospital and get seen by an ENT resident who tells me that the abcess is not pointing enough for him to be comfortable doing percutaneous drainage, so he's going to start me on augmentin and hope for the best. For the first time in my entire life, I break down and ask the guy for pain meds. He looks at me like I am nuts and tells me to take ibuprofen. I burst into tears and tell him that I have been and it's just not working. He gives this big, exaggerated sigh, and writes me a script for 6 Vicodin. Gee, thanks, buddy! (Of course, I get home, take them, and promptly puke, which was no fun at all, but still.)

The antibiotics work, the abcess disappears, and I am left sadder and wiser. And also paranoid every time I start to feel my throat get a little scratchy, which happens about 4 times that winter.

Come March, I get another massive sore throat, fever, horrifying pain, etc. Interestingly enough, it's on the other side as the last time. Looking in the mirror, I can see that my tonsil is so swollen that my uvula is deviated over to the other side. Whoopee, here we go again! Over to the clinic. They want me to see a nurse. I tell them that I don't fricking think so, and I see a doctor. Doctor looks in my throat and actually lets out a "damn!". This time the clinic calls a cab to take me over to the hospital, on their dime (thanks for that!). See an ENT resident (a different guy) who decides it's time for a little percutaneous drainage (needle aspiration). He leaves to go get some supplies, comes back after about twenty minutes, and says ok, let's go! He hands me my very own suction catheter to hold inside my mouth and gets to work. First of all, let me just say "OWWWWWWWW!" This was not made any better by the fact that I had been up all night because of the pain and had amused myself by reading everything that could go wrong with this procedure, including him hitting the carotid artery. I was less than comfortable with the lack of any airway protection or, you know, other staff within earshot, but, what the hell. I got a little more nervous when I saw him get out a scalpel and go in with that, but everything seemed to go ok and he finally got a syringe full of icky pus out. I, once again, ask for pain meds. He tells me that I shouldn't need them and that he's going to put me on antibiotics and some steroids for a few days to decrease the general inflammation in the area. OK, whatever.

Things got a little better, but the pain was still there even though the swelling had reduced considerably. I called the ENT clinic to inquire about this and they tell me it's normal (in a tone of voice that screams CRYBABY!). My steroids stopped 2 days before a massive ochem exam. I was working on a research project in my lab with my PI(where I had just started) and I had that and classes from 8 am to 8 pm. About noonish I start to realize that something is very, very wrong. I'm coughing when I try to swallow and my voice has gone all funny (apparently this is called hot potato voice). But, being the hardworking premed that I am, I soldier on. (Developed the most beautiful Western, but I digress.) The pain is so bad I'm not even thinking straight anymore. Finally, the TA for my bio lab sends me home from lab because I look like such utter crap. My tonsil is now swollen even worse than it was when I went in initially.

At this point, I should have gone to the ER. Unfortunately, my mind was not working so well and all I could think about was my ochem exam the next morning. What good I though studying was going to do me I have no idea, but I sat down with my notes and went through them until about midnight. (My boyfriend, incidentally, was about ready to physically drag me to the ER but I pleaded and cried and promised I would go immediately after the exam.) The pain finally got to me and I decided to go to bed and see if I could at least get a little sleep. As I lay down, I coughed and felt this hugely intense pain and got the worst taste ever in my mouth. I got up and ran to the bathroom and looked in my throat. A river of pus was running out of the abcess. On the plus side, I started to feel better almost immediately. I went to bed and conked out until my alarm went off for me to go take the ochem exam.

Went to the ENT clinic for followup. The resident was like, "Oh, wow, yeah, that happens sometimes." I asked about the advisability of a tonsillectomy. He said, "Well, since they weren't on the same side, it was probably just coincidence. You should be fine now."

Needless to say, I went to the ENT in my town later(paying hugely since he's out of network) and he was incredulous. He scheduled me for a tonsillectomy after the semester was over. I can tell you that everything they say about adult tonsillectomies is true and then some.

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Thanks for listening, I still get pissed off whenever I think about it.

Moral of the story: Don't be afraid to push for what you think you need. If you have to go elsewhere, do it. Just because you had your abcess drained doesn't mean that the story is over. The tonsillectomy was bad, but knowing that I never have to go through that again is priceless.
 
I sure hope that the abscess being drained is the end of my story! Your story is just horrifyingly bad...I think it's funny how a lot of SDNers were like "how dare you treat yourself, your PCP will know better"...I'm here to tell you that a lot of PCP's, and nearly ALL docs that work at student health centers, are crap. Sometimes you just have to trust your own premed judgment, dammit!
 
getunconcsious said:
I sure hope that the abscess being drained is the end of my story! Your story is just horrifyingly bad...I think it's funny how a lot of SDNers were like "how dare you treat yourself, your PCP will know better"...I'm here to tell you that a lot of PCP's, and nearly ALL docs that work at student health centers, are crap. Sometimes you just have to trust your own premed judgment, dammit!

I think the problem with a lot of PCPs is that they don't listen to their patient. It's funny when as the patient...you're thinking to yourself...this guy/lady has no idea what he/she's talking about. As a premed, you say to yourself...I hope I don't turn out like this fool.
 
I'm glad you got some drugs and are feeling better. Now my sore throat is starting to seem not so benign! 😛

I just have to chime in here about student health, though. I'm not sure if I've just been lucky or what, but student health at Penn is excellent. Each time I've gone the doctors and nurses have been friendly and very competent.

(Women's health is a completely different issue. In my experience they are NOT competent. They made me see a different NP each time I went, I never even saw a doctor even though I would have liked to, and each time the NP failed to read the notes from previous visits so that I had to repeat my entire history, at which point she would look at the old notes and say oh yes I see it's written here, but then fail to look any longer, until I would mention something else, etc. etc.)
 
Oh, I forgot to add one delicious but slightly off tangent detail to my post...

The organic chemistry exam I took the morning after my abcess ruptured??? I got the highest score I have ever personally achieved on a chemistry exam (and, in fact, led the class). I have no idea how it happened, but it appears that something was going my way that morning. 🙂
 
getunconcsious said:
I sure hope that the abscess being drained is the end of my story! Your story is just horrifyingly bad...I think it's funny how a lot of SDNers were like "how dare you treat yourself, your PCP will know better"...I'm here to tell you that a lot of PCP's, and nearly ALL docs that work at student health centers, are crap. Sometimes you just have to trust your own premed judgment, dammit!


I don't think all PCP's will know better. I think you were foolish to use an incomplete course of Bactrim from MEXICO.

Like I said before, glad you're feeling better.
 
stinkycheese said:
I don't think all PCP's will know better. I think you were foolish to use an incomplete course of Bactrim from MEXICO.

Like I said before, glad you're feeling better.

Geez, they look just like the ones they sell in the states. They are manufactured in the states. The only difference is that Mexico actually believes in civil liberties and lets you buy them in the drugstore. I know a lot of you are self-important about being doctors, but a doctor is just a glorified technician, which is why research is so much more intriguing, but that's another tangent.

Given 1) the prohibitively high cost of even simple health care and 2) the fact that up to 50% of PCPs in my experience don't know what the F**k they're talking about, I fully believe in the Mexican model of allowing people to buy antibiotics over the counter. I will continue to buy antibiotics from Mexico over the counter, and I will continue to self-perscribe, especially when ***** PCP's won't give me the drugs I want. I will not, however, take incomplete courses.

*steps off soapbox to let the rest of you go back to worshipping *****ic, incompetent doctors.*
 
When I was in 4th grade, I got strep throat literally every other week. I was out so much, they wanted to hold me back, but I got 100;s on every test. Anyway, i had strange symptoms. I didn't always had fevers, but the strep tests were always positive and my throats were always red. In the summer, I got my tonsils taken out, and haven't gotten strep since.
 
getunconcsious said:
Geez, they look just like the ones they sell in the states. They are manufactured in the states. The only difference is that Mexico actually believes in civil liberties and lets you buy them in the drugstore. I know a lot of you are self-important about being doctors, but a doctor is just a glorified technician, which is why research is so much more intriguing, but that's another tangent.

Given 1) the prohibitively high cost of even simple health care and 2) the fact that up to 50% of PCPs in my experience don't know what the F**k they're talking about, I fully believe in the Mexican model of allowing people to buy antibiotics over the counter. I will continue to buy antibiotics from Mexico over the counter, and I will continue to self-perscribe, especially when ***** PCP's won't give me the drugs I want. I will not, however, take incomplete courses.

*steps off soapbox to let the rest of you go back to worshipping *****ic, incompetent doctors.*

Hey crankypants, go back to bed. I was referring to the fact that you (stupidly) took an incomplete course of the wrong antibiotic, which caused your continued infection. Secondly, letting people buy antibiotics willy-nilly would only increase antibiotic resistance, which is going to be the death of us someday. Best of luck to you.
 
In my opinion, we should restrict the use of antibiotics even more than we do now, simply based upon the whole idea of resistance.

OTC Antibiotics? How the heck can any consumer possibly know how to self medicate antiobiotics? How would they know if they had a viral or bacterial or protozoan infection? How would they know if it was gram positive or gram negative? if it was aerobic or anaerobic? How would they know how to deal with pseudomembranous colitis because of altered intestinal flora? The idea of OTC antibiotics is ridiculous. It an issue of patient safety, not access or cost.
 
stinkycheese said:
Hey crankypants, go back to bed. I was referring to the fact that you (stupidly) took an incomplete course of the wrong antibiotic, which caused your continued infection. Secondly, letting people buy antibiotics willy-nilly would only increase antibiotic resistance, which is going to be the death of us someday. Best of luck to you.

Totally agreed.

You didn't show yourself to be a model self-medicator. If you were the hero to your little story, you might have gotten a different reaction. You screwed up as bad as the docs did and in a way that could have adverse effects on more people than just yourself (thanks for helping select for antibiotic resistant bacteria).
 
I certainly agree with getunconscious on this. He was irresponsible with the course, but I am all for stockpiling antibiotics and certain other drugs that are prescription in the US but not elsewhere. I'm not talking about narcotics, though.

The PCPs don't know what they are doing.
 
Ugh, I retract my post. I physically could not smoke when I had the abscess and I am not allowed to smoke for 3 days after the procedure, and I think that's making me really cranky. But I maintain that a lot of PCP's are quacks. Not all of course, since I am interested in that field 😛 I also think that if I had had ENOUGH Bactrim, I could have successfully beaten it on my own. I just didn't have enough for a full course. I still blame the docs for misdiagnosing me though, b/c the only different thing that would have happened without the Bactrim is that I would have gotten the same abscess only sooner.

Anyways, might as well let this thread die. I'm all hopped up on codeine, so goodnight everyone!
 
I think that next time you should definitely check that you have enough for a full course of antibiotics. Taking half of a course is just worthless and will make you and the rest of society suffer.

getunconcsious said:
Ugh, I retract my post. I physically could not smoke when I had the abscess and I am not allowed to smoke for 3 days after the procedure, and I think that's making me really cranky. But I maintain that a lot of PCP's are quacks. Not all of course, since I am interested in that field 😛 I also think that if I had had ENOUGH Bactrim, I could have successfully beaten it on my own. I just didn't have enough for a full course. I still blame the docs for misdiagnosing me though, b/c the only different thing that would have happened without the Bactrim is that I would have gotten the same abscess only sooner.

Anyways, might as well let this thread die. I'm all hopped up on codeine, so goodnight everyone!
 
Interesting thread... To the OP, I'm glad someone finally figured out what was going on with you and that it's taken care of now. I'm sorry you had to go through this because of a stupid PCP. I have a bad story too about my PCP although it has nothing to do with strep.

[Rant] My PCP has been treating my entire family for as long as I can remember. Apparently, his memory isn't too good though because when I walked in to get oral contraceptives, he didn't hesitate to hand me a prescription. I guess he just forgot that hypercoagulation runs in the family. My dad had 2 DVTs before he hit 40, my grand-father also had one, looks like a pattern to me but what do I know right? On top of things, both of my dad's DVTs were in his arms which is pretty rare so you'd think that would help his recollection. Anyhow, 9 months later, I end up in the hospital with an 18-inch clot in my left leg! Oops! It's a good thing I was in Michigan and that my PCP was in Montreal because I was so furious when I found out why my leg was swollen twice the size of my other leg that I wanted to strangle the man.

Ironically, my sister went to a community health center to get her OC prescription and the physician she saw there didn't give her a prescription until my sister brought him her coagulation test results. [/Rant]
 
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