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[alexandertg6]

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This explains everything.

I dont think it really does. I told a girl to stop calling, texting, and otherwise contacting me, and she must have called and texted me >300 times since then. I wouldnt think to report her to authorities though, academic or legal. There is likely either something more to the story or the texts were just really nasty and repeated to the point of harassment.

Either way... I have to say I feel for you and your position OP, but you need to drop the victim mentality if you want to stand any chance at all of rebounding. Maybe you were a total victim, but to most of us, it definitely does not sound like it... so why would adcoms be any different?

 

[BurntFlower]

I dont think it really does. I told a girl to stop calling, texting, and otherwise contacting me, and she must have called and texted me >300 times since then. I wouldnt think to report her to authorities though, academic or legal. There is likely either something more to the story or the texts were just really nasty and repeated to the point of harassment.

Either way... I have to say I feel for you and your position OP, but you need to drop the victim mentality if you want to stand any chance at all of rebounding. Maybe you were a total victim, but to most of us, it definitely does not sound like it... so why would adcoms be any different?

I've been in your position before. This guy I knew kept sending me really horrible messages and insults because I decided I didn't want to be the friend of such an emotionally abusive person. Anyway, this whole incident took a toll on my nerves, and I can relate to someone who wants to report this type of harassment.

 

[Celerity]

I've been in your position before. This guy I knew kept sending me really horrible messages and insults because I decided I didn't want to be the friend of such an emotionally abusive person. Anyway, this whole incident took a toll on my nerves, and I can relate to someone who wants to report this type of harassment.

Yeah I had the same problem when I was a tutor. There was a guy that always sat next to me, moved his chair closer when I moved away, followed me out to my car, tried to touch me, grabbed my hand etc.. Had to talk to admin about it bc he wouldn't back off. It was so obvious that the other students I taught began to ask me about it. That's the only way I can see reporting this type of stuff. I even asked a prof how he would deal with this situation. The funny thing is......I'm a guy too.

The same guy next semester then told me that he looked up prof's addresses on the internet told me what their houses looked like and stuff. I had to report that too.

 

[maybemed2013]

This is the end for me, I try to contact the dean to get it off record but she stated she will only remove it if he tells her that the charges were a mistake, she even said if he said it was a mistake nothing is going to happen to him, but can not be in any contact with him so I have no way to tell him.

I just wish I never met him, so sucky how one person can end it all for you.

 

[Stumpyman]

Yeah I had the same problem when I was a tutor. There was a guy that always sat next to me, moved his chair closer when I moved away, followed me out to my car, tried to touch me, grabbed my hand etc.. Had to talk to admin about it bc he wouldn't back off. It was so obvious that the other students I taught began to ask me about it. That's the only way I can see reporting this type of stuff. I even asked a prof how he would deal with this situation. The funny thing is......I'm a guy too.

The same guy next semester then told me that he looked up prof's addresses on the internet told me what their houses looked like and stuff. I had to report that too.

That's pretty weird. 😱

 

[shenanigi]

I hear San Juan Bautista is looking for some new students

 

[willen101383]

Yeah I had the same problem when I was a tutor. There was a guy that always sat next to me, moved his chair closer when I moved away, followed me out to my car, tried to touch me, grabbed my hand etc.. Had to talk to admin about it bc he wouldn't back off. It was so obvious that the other students I taught began to ask me about it. That's the only way I can see reporting this type of stuff. I even asked a prof how he would deal with this situation. The funny thing is......I'm a guy too.

The same guy next semester then told me that he looked up prof's addresses on the internet told me what their houses looked like and stuff. I had to report that too.

You should have just gone for the rear naked choke....just sayin.

 

[Celerity]

That's pretty weird. 😱

When I first told admin about it they laughed at me, then I had some of my students talk to them about it as well. It would have been so much simpler if the person was a girl.....

 

[maybemed2013]

I will not be able to go out the country for medical school, he ruin my life.. I just can not believed this has happen to me.

 

[myronnie]

You're a stalker..
I just don't get why girls get so obsessive over guys..get a life, take up some type of hobby and find something to do other than text or call a guy repeatedly..

 

[Celerity]

You're a stalker..
I just don't get why girls get so obsessive over guys..get a life, take up some type of hobby and find something to do other than text or call a guy repeatedly..

Just playing devil's advocate here:
IF the guy lied to her, told her he loved her, was going to marry her...
and if he was her first, could you see how she could freak out over that?

 

[shenanigi]

Just playing devil's advocate here:
IF the guy lied to her, told her he loved her, was going to marry her...
and if he was her first, could you see how she could freak out over that?

Still a stalker

 

[WhizoMD]

I will not be able to go out the country for medical school, he ruin my life.. I just can not believed this has happen to me.

I don't think you're completely finished. Just explain the situation honestly on your amcas app. as Lizzy posted earlier. Assuming you get a decent mcat score and apply broadly, I think you'll find a few adcoms that won't blow this out of proportion like most of the posters here. (this is assuming the situation is as you've described it here)

 

[alexandertg6]

find a friend that you two have in common! Talk to him/her and explain the situation. Get the mutual friend to work as an advocate for you so that this guy does go ahead and contact the dean to get this whole thing resolved. Tell the mutual friend that you are not asking them to speak on your behalf, rather you are asking them to talk to him about the situation for your future.

 

[WhizoMD]

find a friend that you two have in common! Talk to him/her and explain the situation. Get the mutual friend to work as an advocate for you so that this guy does go ahead and contact the dean to get this whole thing resolved. Tell the mutual friend that you are not asking them to speak on your behalf, rather you are asking them to talk to him about the situation for your future.

this is a good idea, if you don't have any mutual friends you can try peer mediation if it's available at your school. He might be willing to retract if he realizes the potential impact of the charges.

 

[LifeTake2]

You're a stalker..
I just don't get why girls get so obsessive over guys..get a life, take up some type of hobby and find something to do other than text or call a guy repeatedly..

Gonna give you the benefit of the doubt that you are young, but time to grow up myronnie. This is one of the most immature and petty responses I've seen on SDN. There are guys out there that behave WAY worse, quite a few in prison now 🙄

Just playing devil's advocate here:
IF the guy lied to her, told her he loved her, was going to marry her...
and if he was her first, could you see how she could freak out over that?

Yes, it is not uncommon...for EITHER gender to become overly attached. I've seen a 45yr old men fall for a female friend after one intimate date and stalk her for years.

However, we can't second guess what happened. Only advise the OP that medical school is going to be a stretch and look at her long-term plans.

 

[zamzee]

Do you understand how that isn't going to work? You plead guilty - you already admitted that you did it. Why would the dean remove it from your record? That makes absolutely no sense.

But hey, if you want to look like a ***** in front of your dean, go for it.

Actually, that is EXACTLY how expungement works. If she had plead not guilty, she would have gone to a university trial and if found not guilty by the university jury, all charges would be dropped. If she had plead guilty or gone to the university trial and was still found guilty, she would have the option of expungement. Expungement is explicitly for people that have pleaded guilty to a violation but have had good behavior since then. They petition the Dean to get the violation off their record because they have clearly learned from the mistake and the Dean also understands that the violation can have undue impact on the rest of their academic lives.

She won't look like a ***** at all. On the contrary, if the violation has happened a long time ago, the situation regarding the violation is not as bad as it sounds and she has proven that she's been an upright citizen since then, the Dean very well might cut her a break.

Hopefully the situation really wasn't that bad and isn't what we traditionally think of as creepy stalking. Her chances of getting the record expunged go down the more severe the case is.

 

[ppfizenm]

Yeah I had the same problem when I was a tutor. There was a guy that always sat next to me, moved his chair closer when I moved away, followed me out to my car, tried to touch me, grabbed my hand etc.. Had to talk to admin about it bc he wouldn't back off. It was so obvious that the other students I taught began to ask me about it. That's the only way I can see reporting this type of stuff. I even asked a prof how he would deal with this situation. The funny thing is......I'm a guy too.

The same guy next semester then told me that he looked up prof's addresses on the internet told me what their houses looked like and stuff. I had to report that too.

And that is funny because?

 

[shinbeats]

Actually, that is EXACTLY how expungement works. If she had plead not guilty, she would have gone to a university trial and if found not guilty by the university jury, all charges would be dropped. If she had plead guilty or gone to the university trial and was still found guilty, she would have the option of expungement. Expungement is explicitly for people that have pleaded guilty to a violation but have had good behavior since then. They petition the Dean to get the violation off their record because they have clearly learned from the mistake and the Dean also understands that the violation can have undue impact on the rest of their academic lives.

She won't look like a ***** at all. On the contrary, if the violation has happened a long time ago, the situation regarding the violation is not as bad as it sounds and she has proven that she's been an upright citizen since then, the Dean very well might cut her a break.

Hopefully the situation really wasn't that bad and isn't what we traditionally think of as creepy stalking. Her chances of getting the record expunged go down the more severe the case is.

Well she did go to the dean and did actually look like a *****. By the way your definition of expungment is not necesserily completely correct. An expungement is a civil process by which a record of criminal conviction is destroyed or sealed, generally after the expiration of time. Each state has its own process and time frame. In some states such as Virginia the time frame for sealing or destroying record of a criminal conviction is NEVER. That's right. In Virginia, if you are found guilty of a crime, or if you plead guilty to a crime, that criminal record will remain forever and cannot be expunged automatically. Similarly some schools also DO NOT expunge records if found guilty and as the OP stated the dean will not expunge this until the victim comes forward and says all of this was a mistake. I highly doubt the victim would do her that favor so she's out of luck for right now.

He was a white guy but he was not old.

This is the end for me, I try to contact the dean to get it off record but she stated she will only remove it if he tells her that the charges were a mistake, she even said if he said it was a mistake nothing is going to happen to him, but can not be in any contact with him so I have no way to tell him.

I just wish I never met him, so sucky how one person can end it all for you.

 

[Tin Man]

I don't think you're completely finished. Just explain the situation honestly on your amcas app. as Lizzy posted earlier. Assuming you get a decent mcat score and apply broadly, I think you'll find a few adcoms that won't blow this out of proportion like most of the posters here. (this is assuming the situation is as you've described it here)

Maybe.

Then again, it's not in the best interests of a medical school admissions board to take chances on people when there are fifty other qualified applicants who didn't admit to stalking and harassment. There is very little incentive for a medical school to really dig into this issue at all or give her the benefit of the doubt.

So while there IS a possibility that she will find a sympathetic ear somewhere, it's up to her to decide whether or not it's worth the hundreds-to-thousands of dollars to apply and find that person.

And even if she DOES find the person who for some reason can justify the time and energy to investigate this kind of an academic charge instead of just moving down the list, the best thing that she can hope for is to then be put on equal footing with the rest of the applicants (at this one school).

That's not to say that she has a good excuse for what happened. Being given the chance to be heard doesn't mean that she's going to be able to say anything that can save her from the red flag. I highly doubt that most scientists are going to accept true love blotting out critical thinking and good judgment as justification for stalking and harassment.

I agree that medical school is not an impossibility for her, but it's going to require several things to line up perfectly.

1) She isn't auto-rejected for the red-flag.
2) She has a good enough application to not be rejected due to the red flag.
3) She finds someone who is willing to believe there's a side to the story that can redeem her.
4) She tells a side of the story that somehow redeems her.
5) Her red flag is ignored by the admissions person.
6) She has good enough grades to get an interview.
7) None of the interviewers hold the red flag against her.
8) Her interview and application are good enough to get her an acceptance.

Hmm...

 

[BurntFlower]

I will not be able to go out the country for medical school, he ruin my life.. I just can not believed this has happen to me.

You need to take responsibility for your mistakes rather than blaming other people. If what you said was true, that guy had every right to accuse you of harassment if you didn't cease contact when he told you to.

 

[maybemed2013]

I guess I am still going to apply and explain my situation.

Here the full story:

The guy was my first true love... I never dated before because in high school guy just want to get in you pants, for some reason I thought he was different, I shared intimate moments with him, he said he was going to marry me, but know I know that all a lie. For some reason I thought he wanted my texts, he 'loved' me but after I got called into the dean office I found out otherwise... He did have text messages showing that he told me to leave him alone (I ignored them I thought I could persuade him to be with me) and that I was planning to hack into his facebook account.

I learned that no matter what age a guy is he will lie to you to get into your pants, I probably will not date until my 30s.

Maybe the dean can take the charges off my record w/o him... I was sent to counseling as my punishment maybe I could ask my psychotherapist about asking the dean to remove the charges.

 

[flodhi1]

I guess I am still going to apply and explain my situation.

The guy was my first true love... I never dated before because in high school guy just want to get in you pants, for some reason I thought he was different, I shared intimate moments with him because he said he was going to marry me, but know I know that all a lie.

Just to let you know for the future when you take the MCAT, a J on the writing section is not that bad.

 

[kpcrew]

I guess I am still going to apply and explain my situation.

The guy was my first true love... I never dated before because in high school guy just want to get in you pants, for some reason I thought he was different, I shared intimate moments with him because he said he was going to marry me, but know I know that all a lie.

I will never understand when girls say "guys just want to get in your pants". There's not a single straight guy who doesn't want that.

 

[WhizoMD]

Maybe.

Then again, it's not in the best interests of a medical school admissions board to take chances on people when there are fifty other qualified applicants who didn't admit to stalking and harassment. There is very little incentive for a medical school to really dig into this issue at all or give her the benefit of the doubt.

The whole application will be read by at least one person at each school, and they'll form their opinion based on the whole. If the rest of the application is ok, I don't think this "red flag" will be enough to sink it. Text messages from a girl in denial after being rejected don't come anywhere close to what I'd consider to be stalking and harassment.

All I see here is a petty situation that one party decided to escalate (possibly out of ignorance) to an inappropriate level.

If she does everything else right, I think she'll find a few adcoms with members that see this the way I see it. Some schools have sub-committees that filter IA applicants before further consideration, I think they'd be able to differentiate this from true stalking/harassment.

 

[zamzee]

Well she did go to the dean and did actually look like a *****. By the way your definition of expungment is not necesserily completely correct. An expungement is a civil process by which a record of criminal conviction is destroyed or sealed, generally after the expiration of time. Each state has its own process and time frame. In some states such as Virginia the time frame for sealing or destroying record of a criminal conviction is NEVER. That’s right. In Virginia, if you are found guilty of a crime, or if you plead guilty to a crime, that criminal record will remain forever and cannot be expunged automatically. Similarly some schools also DO NOT expunge records if found guilty and as the OP stated the dean will not expunge this until the victim comes forward and says all of this was a mistake. I highly doubt the victim would do her that favor so she's out of luck for right now.

First of all, your ***** statement is your own opinion and your own mind projecting how you feel about the situation on the OP. People regularly come in to the Dean's office to ask for expungements, it happens all the time at my school. Secondly, we are talking about an expungement at the university level. From what the OP has provided this does NOT sound like a criminal matter at all and so the criminal portion of what you said is irrelevant. Thirdly I understand that every university has a different (or nonexistent) policy regarding expungement but the OP mentioned that she was trying to get it off her record so I assumed her university has that process. Of course the conditions are different for not only every school but every case that is brought forward.

I personally think the OP should talk to the legal advocates at her university (schools usually have a legal division for students) about every detail of the expungement process. Also, expungement doesn't mean she doesn't have to report it on AMCAS but it might alleviate the severity of the violation since the Dean believes in her character enough to drop it. I also think she should delay applying for a bit and drop the matter for a a few years before she tries to fight this so she can do some things that show that she has learned. In a few years hopefully the guy will be more open to talking to the Dean for her also and she'll have a better chance of getting it expunged (assuming the incident happened recently).

 

[sector9]

I guess I am still going to apply and explain my situation.

Here the full story:

The guy was my first true love... I never dated before because in high school guy just want to get in you pants, for some reason I thought he was different, I shared intimate moments with him, he said he was going to marry me, but know I know that all a lie. For some reason I thought he wanted my texts, he 'loved' me but after I got called into the dean office I found out otherwise... He did have text messages showing that he told me to leave him alone (I ignored them I thought I could persuade him to be with me) and that I was planning to hack into his facebook account.

I learned that no matter what age a guy is he will lie to you to get into your pants, I probably will not date until my 30s.

Maybe the dean can take the charges off my record w/o him... I was sent to counseling as my punishment maybe I could ask my psychotherapist about asking the dean to remove the charges.

I am still confused about how the incident, as explained above, gives you the following charges:

1. Acts of verbal, written (including electronic communications) or physical abuse, threats, intimidation, harassment, coercion or other conduct which threaten the health, safety or welfare of any person.
2. Repeated following or contacting of another person to the extent that it places that person in reasonable fear for his physical or emotional welfare.

I had to plee guilty, this is my only violation on my record.

How many times did he tell you to stop?
What else did you threaten him with besides just hacking into his facebook?
Why did you "have to plee (sic) guilty"??
Plenty of college students have bad breakups. How did this one escalate to formal university action against you, requiring counseling with a psychotherapist?😱

These are questions that I still have after reading all of your posts in this thread. I am assuming that adcoms will have similar questions.

For the record, I thought this was a troll thread from the beginning, and I still do.

 

[ppfizenm]

I will never understand when girls say "guys just want to get in your pants". There's not a single straight guy who doesn't want that.

Why do girls always feel like guys want to sleep with them? That's presumptive and narcissistic. Believe it or not, when you walk down the street and pass a guy, he more than likely isn't thinking "I want to get in your pants". He has his own life and concerns and you probably don't factor in to them in the slightest.

 

[jcruiser]

You can still get the violations removed if you get him to say the accusations were a mistake. Get a close friend that is also friends with him to talk to him about it, a middleman. He can't hold a grudge forever. If he hears about how you want to be a physician and how this could 'ruin your future', if he has any sort've heart, he'll go to the dean and get them removed. If you do it right, he'll feel bad. You were in a relationship with him at one point.

Dean doesn't care that much. She has guidelines to follow. She can't just randomly remove violations for someone. But if the accuser decides that they don't want the person to permanently keep the violations, the dean will have to listen and nothing will happen to either of you.

 

[LifeTake2]

You can still get the violations removed if you get him to say the accusations were a mistake. Get a close friend that is also friends with him to talk to him about it, a middleman. He can't hold a grudge forever. If he hears about how you want to be a physician and how this could 'ruin your future', if he has any sort've heart, he'll go to the dean and get them removed. If you do it right, he'll feel bad. You were in a relationship with him at one point.

Dean doesn't care that much. She has guidelines to follow. She can't just randomly remove violations for someone. But if the accuser decides that they don't want the person to permanently keep the violations, the dean will have to listen and nothing will happen to either of you.

Why would he care. Regardless of what happened, it rose to the level of reporting it to the school; and them siding with him. Normal bias says it was pretty egregious if they nailed a young co-ed for harassing an ex.

If the table was turned, and it was a guy that stalked a female; would you imply she should turn the other check and feel bad for being the victim????????

 

[Celerity]

The whole application will be read by at least one person at each school, and they'll form their opinion based on the whole. If the rest of the application is ok, I don't think this "red flag" will be enough to sink it. Text messages from a girl in denial after being rejected don't come anywhere close to what I'd consider to be stalking and harassment.

All I see here is a petty situation that one party decided to escalate (possibly out of ignorance) to an inappropriate level.

If she does everything else right, I think she'll find a few adcoms with members that see this the way I see it. Some schools have sub-committees that filter IA applicants before further consideration, I think they'd be able to differentiate this from true stalking/harassment.

I agree, go for it.
OP,
as others have pointed out, your stats are not stellar. Stats aren't everything, but in your case your going to need everything going for you that you can. Also, you are going to need to apply extra broadly, so be prepared for a massive amount of application fees, secondary apps and time to put into it. I'm not being mean when I say that your typing needs a little work. Some of your sentences are broken (others have not been so nice when pointing this out). This will kill you on your apps and the MCAT. Speaking of the MCAT, start studying for it early, so you can get the best score possible. Also try to get your record expunged. If you can't maybe a letter from your psychotherapist might help. When you write your apps, do not try to put off responsibility on the guy who escalated this. Take responsibility and try to show that you have learned from it and matured. Also, whatever University you are at, talk to a premed adviser. If you can get a great committee letter, that will help tremendously. Also, try to garner other GREAT LOR. If you could get one from someone who has known you for a while that will also be very helpful. It needs to be someone who has seen your work ethic and watched you work in difficult situations. If you did research in some lab for about 12-18 months and got a letter from your PI, you probably acquire this type of letter.

Good Luck.

 

[myronnie]

I guess I am still going to apply and explain my situation.

Here the full story:

The guy was my first true love... I never dated before because in high school guy just want to get in you pants, for some reason I thought he was different, I shared intimate moments with him, he said he was going to marry me, but know I know that all a lie. For some reason I thought he wanted my texts, he 'loved' me but after I got called into the dean office I found out otherwise... He did have text messages showing that he told me to leave him alone (I ignored them I thought I could persuade him to be with me) and that I was planning to hack into his facebook account.

I learned that no matter what age a guy is he will lie to you to get into your pants, I probably will not date until my 30s.

Maybe the dean can take the charges off my record w/o him... I was sent to counseling as my punishment maybe I could ask my psychotherapist about asking the dean to remove the charges.

Oh yeah most immature post on SDN way to generalize..
OK I would say that would be means to call her a stalker. I mean really? Facebook, email, whatever..why would she want to hack into his facebook account? I think now a days some people are taking electronic messaging a lot seriously..but I don't think that her threats warranted any institutional actions. But then again, I wouldn't have pled guilty..

 

[45408]

Gonna give you the benefit of the doubt that you are young, but time to grow up myronnie. This is one of the most immature and petty responses I've seen on SDN. There are guys out there that behave WAY worse, quite a few in prison now 🙄

This is one of the most immature and petty responses I've seen on SDN.

 

[45408]

Oh yeah most immature post on SDN way to generalize..
OK I would say that would be means to call her a stalker. I mean really? Facebook, email, whatever..why would she want to hack into his facebook account? I think now a days some people are taking electronic messaging a lot seriously..but I don't think that her threats warranted any institutional actions. But then again, I wouldn't have pled guilty..

I don't think she's telling us everything.

 

[flodhi1]

I don't think she's telling us everything.

+1 👍

 

[willen101383]

OP Come on already just spill it...this is an anonymous message board you know, nobody will even know its you.

 

[candbgirl]

I don't think she's telling us everything.

+2


There are thousands of people with stellar applications that won't see the inside of an interview room. Why on earth would any school interview this person?

 

[Barcu]

I don't think she's telling us everything.

👍 Definitely this.

Until the OP spills exactly what she did (which I wouldn't recommend), there really is no point wildly speculating on what the impacts on her application will be.

OP, this is something to work out with your dean if possible.

 

[Aishley]

So this kid accused me of

1. Acts of verbal, written (including electronic communications) or physical abuse, threats, intimidation, harassment, coercion or other conduct which threaten the health, safety or welfare of any person.
2. Repeated following or contacting of another person to the extent that it places that person in reasonable fear for his physical or emotional welfare.

I had to plee guilty, this is my only violation on my record.

-I have a 3.6 gpa planning to become a 3.7
-Have not taken the mcat
-Was a mentor for Palm Beach County for 3 months, the program I was mentoring in ended.
-Volunteer at a local nursing home since 2009 and I am not planning to apply
until 2013 so that will be 4 yrs of volunteering
Hopefully will be working as a temp lab tech for Manpower( this is a big corporation they have branches all over america)... have an interview on next week.... if I do not get the job on my year off I plan to conduct research.
Will have over 200 hrs of shadowing in various fields... peds, ortho, e.r., endoscopy, internal meds
On my year off I plan to work in healthcare or nonhealthcare job...


--- In my personal statement should I explain this situation and how I learned from it or should I leave it for secondary or my chances doom should I try dental school or should I get a Ph. D

what the heck? even a troll and hacker like me won't do that...are you a troll bcz troll can smell troll....

look at me i m not banned yet...hoho

 

[Tin Man]

The whole application will be read by at least one person at each school, and they'll form their opinion based on the whole. If the rest of the application is ok, I don't think this "red flag" will be enough to sink it. Text messages from a girl in denial after being rejected don't come anywhere close to what I'd consider to be stalking and harassment.

All I see here is a petty situation that one party decided to escalate (possibly out of ignorance) to an inappropriate level.

If she does everything else right, I think she'll find a few adcoms with members that see this the way I see it. Some schools have sub-committees that filter IA applicants before further consideration, I think they'd be able to differentiate this from true stalking/harassment.

Read the charges again.

1. Acts of verbal, written (including electronic communications) or physical abuse, threats, intimidation, harassment, coercion or other conduct which threaten the health, safety or welfare of any person.

2. Repeated following or contacting of another person to the extent that it places that person in reasonable fear for his physical or emotional welfare.

Those are fairly serious charges, and THAT will be the first thing the adcoms see, not some romanticized, likely diluted story of "what happened." There is absolutely no reason to consider someone who voluntarily admitted to the charges above. Everything up there could have been civil charges; it sounds like she got off lucky that this was handled at the academic level.

So like I said, she does have a chance, but not a good one. The school has no reason to take a chance on her, especially since her only explanation is, "I was in love and he is a pig." she can take that chance if she wants, but I don't think it's worth the money.

 

[cheekiemunky]

I would get a lawyer and try to get it taken off. And if that doesn't work, if all you did was keep texting someone after he said not to, I seriously doubt that will keep you out of med school... people on this site are freakin' insane. But if there's more to it than that that you're not telling us, then obviously I can't answer your question....

 

[blkshrtdynasty]

I would get a lawyer and try to get it taken off. And if that doesn't work, if all you did was keep texting someone after he said not to, I seriously doubt that will keep you out of med school... people on this site are freakin' insane. But if there's more to it than that that you're not telling us, then obviously I can't answer your question....

I'd wager quite a bit that there's more to it than this.

 

[LizzyM]

Read the charges again.

1. Acts of verbal, written (including electronic communications) or physical abuse, threats, intimidation, harassment, coercion or other conduct which threaten the health, safety or welfare of any person.

2. Repeated following or contacting of another person to the extent that it places that person in reasonable fear for his physical or emotional welfare.

Those are fairly serious charges, and THAT will be the first thing the adcoms see, not some romanticized, likely diluted story of "what happened." There is absolutely no reason to consider someone who voluntarily admitted to the charges above. Everything up there could have been civil charges; it sounds like she got off lucky that this was handled at the academic level.

So like I said, she does have a chance, but not a good one. The school has no reason to take a chance on her, especially since her only explanation is, "I was in love and he is a pig." she can take that chance if she wants, but I don't think it's worth the money.

Wrong.... the only thing that the adcom will see is what she writes in that box where she describes what institutional action the school took because of her violation of the school's rule. She gets to tell her story and no one else tells it. She need not give chapter and verse of the school rules. She just says, "I did xyz... the school responded by requiring that I...."

 

[45408]

Wrong.... the only thing that the adcom will see is what she writes in that box where she describes what institutional action the school took because of her violation of the school's rule. She gets to tell her story and no one else tells it. She need not give chapter and verse of the school rules. She just says, "I did xyz... the school responded by requiring that I...."

Aren't they going to require an official report from her school rather than just taking her word for it? If not, that seems ridiculous.

 

[doobydoob]

I feel like everyone in this thread so far has been overreacting. You made a bad decision during an emotional and stressful time. Everybody, including ADCOMs can understand that. Whats important is that you gain from the experience the emotional maturity necessary to be a successful physician. This is partly the reason why medical schools require you to complete a bachelor's degree in the first place. I'm guessing that a lot the people who are calling this incident a "deal breaker" have never been in a serious relationship before and therefore wouldn't understand what you went through, ADCOMs are more mature and sympathetic.

In the end, will you be at a disadvantage when applying? Yes
Is it a deal breaker? Absolutely not

Take responsibility for your actions, stop blaming the guy for ruining your life, and move on. Good luck with your future career as a physician.

 

[Suncrusher]

OP is craycray and if you don't call her back after a date she will cut you



all these conduct violations threads crack me up

 

[cheekiemunky]

I'd wager quite a bit that there's more to it than this.

There usually is

 

[Tin Man]

Wrong.... the only thing that the adcom will see is what she writes in that box where she describes what institutional action the school took because of her violation of the school's rule. She gets to tell her story and no one else tells it. She need not give chapter and verse of the school rules. She just says, "I did xyz... the school responded by requiring that I...."

This confuses me.

Wouldn't that mean she could basically say absolutely nothing at all about this situation, and nobody would find out about it? Literally, someone could have a felony on their record, and the medical school is only going to find out about it if the applicant is good enough to inform them of it?

That doesn't sound right. I can't believe that an institutional action like this isn't going to show up SOMEWHERE in the files sent over, or that medical schools don't routinely do some sort of check to make sure the people they're considering didn't get caught cheating their way through undergrad.

Or, you know, admit guilt to charges that could have ended up in civil court.

 

[LizzyM]

This confuses me.

Wouldn't that mean she could basically say absolutely nothing at all about this situation, and nobody would find out about it? Literally, someone could have a felony on their record, and the medical school is only going to find out about it if the applicant is good enough to inform them of it?

That doesn't sound right. I can't believe that an institutional action like this isn't going to show up SOMEWHERE in the files sent over, or that medical schools don't routinely do some sort of check to make sure the people they're considering didn't get caught cheating their way through undergrad.

Or, you know, admit guilt to charges that could have ended up in civil court.

Criminal background checks catch the felons.

Some schools will include in their committee letters that the student does or doesn't have a record of institutional action. (actually, I've never seen the "has" only the "has not"). Some stuff will be on the transcript that is sent to the med school eventually.

Much of what gets reported as institutional action is on the honor system. (Ironic, isn't it, because some of the IAs are for violations of the honor code.)

Lying on the AMCAS application is a huge risk and I would not recommend that anyone do so. However, based on what I've seen, the story begins and ends with what the applicant writes in that little box explaining the IA.

 

[Celerity]

Criminal background checks catch the felons.

Some schools will include in their committee letters that the student does or doesn't have a record of institutional action. (actually, I've never seen the "has" only the "has not"). Some stuff will be on the transcript that is sent to the med school eventually.

Much of what gets reported as institutional action is on the honor system. (Ironic, isn't it, because some of the IAs are for violations of the honor code.)

Lying on the AMCAS application is a huge risk and I would not recommend that anyone do so. However, based on what I've seen, the story begins and ends with what the applicant writes in that little box explaining the IA.

For someone with IA I see two scenarios:
Report the IA and probably not get into med school
Don't report the IA, and have a much better chance of getting in

Once the student matriculated, are schools really going to kick them out? Wouldn't that hurt thier statistics?

For the applicant with severe IA, it seems like it's Definetly worth the risk.